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Gun control: Why the US military is fighting with the NRA
Wednesday, May 15, 2013 7:40 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:US military commanders are trying to cope with an epidemic of suicides within the armed forces. Officials say they are frustrated by a recent law, backed by the NRA, that makes it difficult to talk to soldiers about personally owned firearms. US military commanders are increasingly expressing frustration with the National Rifle Association for blocking what they feel are vital measures to keep troops safe. The controversy revolves around the surge in suicide within the armed forces. The Pentagon is facing an “epidemic,” Defense Secretary Leon Panetta told lawmakers this week, with some 206 US troops suspected of taking their own lives so far this year. “That is an epidemic,” he said. “Something is wrong.” As they cast about looking for possible ways to bring down the rates of suicide, commanders say that the answer may lie in having candid discussions with their soldiers about their personal firearms--and to take personal weapons away from those who appear likely to hurt themselves. “The majority of [suicides] have two things in common: Alcohol and a gun. That’s just the way it is,” General Peter Chiarelli, the Army’s former Vice Chief of Staff, told the Monitor this January, shortly before he retired. “And when you have somebody that you in fact feel is high risk, I don’t believe it’s unreasonable to tell that individual that it would not be a good idea to have a weapon around the house.” The problem, say US military commanders, is that a new NRA-backed law prohibits them from engaging in discussions about weapons and safety. “I am not allowed to ask a soldier who lives off-post whether that soldier has a privately-owned weapon,” Chiarelli says. The legislation took effect at the end of 2010. While commanders are permitted to ask troops who appear to be an imminent danger to themselves or others about private firearms--or to suggest locking them temporarily in a base depot--the law requires that if the soldier denies that he or she is thinking about harming anyone, then the commander cannot pursue the discussion further, he adds. Yet determining whether a service member is an imminent danger to himself or others has been an elusive and frustrating pursuit for the Pentagon. “I’m struck by the number of folks who come in for behavioral health counseling and are rated as ‘low to medium risk’ [of harming themselves or others] and two weeks later commit the irrevocable act of suicide,” Chiarelli says. Half of troops that killed themselves use firearms to end their life and “suicide in most cases is a spontaneous event” that is often fueled by drugs and alcohol. But “if you can separate the individual from the weapon,” he added, “you can lower the incidences of suicide.” The problem, Chairelli says, is that “we have issues in even being able to do that.” Officials from the Department of Veterans Affairs are backing US military officials in the matter. Commanders who have asked troops they feel are at risk to consider locking their firearms on base temporarily are making use of an important “stalling technique,” Jan Kemp, national mental health director for the VA, said at a conference late last year. She pointed to a study that found that a large number of suicides are impulsive events. If someone plans to jump off a bridge and finds that the bridge is closed, “Studies show that they won’t go to another bridge,” says Dr. Kemp. “They will think about it.” NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam says that the organization is “not conducting interviews at this time, in view of what happened in Colorado.” Others add that the law is not meant to preclude commanders from talking about firearms. “Obviously, the intent of the law is not to preclude a commander from taking steps necessary to mitigate a suicidal or dangerous situation,” says Jared Young, Communications Director for Sen. Jim Inhofe (R) of Oklahoma, in an email. Senator Inhofe was the author of the legislation. Spokesman Young said the senator is “very concerned” about suicide within the military. “At the same time,” he adds, “individual rights must be protected.” That said, Mr. Young adds that Sen. Ihofe has “reached out to the DOD and other interested parties to ensure that all concerns have been adequately addressed.” The Pentagon did not immediately respond to a question about what a changed policy should include. In the meantime, some US military commanders say they need to find new ways to address rising rates of suicide. “In many circumstances, awareness of risk means removing firearms from those who we believe are at risk of harming themselves or others,” Brig. Gen. Jonathan Woodson, an Army Reserve physician and Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs, told the audience at a recent suicide prevention conference. “I would ask all of you at this conference to commit to making reasonable recommendations that will guide uniform policy that will allow the separation of privately-owned firearms from those believed to be at risk of suicide. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2012/0727/Gun-control-Why-the-US-military-is-fighting-with-the-NRA
Wednesday, May 15, 2013 7:53 AM
WULFENSTAR
http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg
Wednesday, May 15, 2013 8:42 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Wednesday, May 15, 2013 8:49 AM
AGENTROUKA
Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:27 AM
BYTEMITE
Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:37 AM
HERO
Quote:Originally posted by AGENTROUKA: Seems like they are approaching the issue at the wrong end?
Wednesday, May 15, 2013 11:20 AM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Quote:Originally posted by AGENTROUKA: Seems like they are approaching the issue at the wrong end? If you have so many people SUICIDAL there must be a number of extra steps to take apart from "Are you suicidal? Give me your guns to make it a tiny little bit more difficult for you to carry it out?" Treatment? Prevention? They seem to be taking the easy way out in emphasizing the spontaneous nature of suicide because while the specific act may be spontaneous, the ideation leading up to it is NOT sudden and new. Not to say it's unreasonable to want to limit access of suicidal people to weapons, but they seem to be deflecting a hefty measure of the blame here. If all these military employees are suicidal, the problem is not the NRA.
Wednesday, May 15, 2013 11:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: Sounds like maybe a bit of both. Yes, there obviously is something wrong if many personnel are killing themselves. But I know about people who are feeling suicidal, that access to weapons at that stage can be a trigger - if you'll excuse the inappropriate pun.
Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:42 PM
Thursday, May 16, 2013 1:57 AM
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Now, home for supper, tomorrow we work on eliminating illegal immigration and border issues...by removing the border patrol and immigaration officers.
Thursday, May 16, 2013 2:27 AM
Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:36 AM
Quote:Robert Heinlein, the former right-wing genius and inspiration of the Libertarian movement, once suggested that the way to resolve the border enforcement and illegal immigration issue was to simply ignore the border and accept that the regions along the border benefit BOTH nations. Just let people who live nearby on both sides do as they choose, let people, goods, business and money flow both ways, unimpeded, the problems will go away.
Thursday, May 16, 2013 12:57 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Quote:Robert Heinlein, the former right-wing genius and inspiration of the Libertarian movement, once suggested that the way to resolve the border enforcement and illegal immigration issue was to simply ignore the border and accept that the regions along the border benefit BOTH nations. Just let people who live nearby on both sides do as they choose, let people, goods, business and money flow both ways, unimpeded, the problems will go away. That's fine until the giant spiders blow up Rio. Hmm...maybe Austria, Czechoslavakia, Poland, France, Greece, Norway, Britain, and The Soviet Union were just being too defensive. Surely opening their borders to Nazi Germany would have made the problems go away.
Friday, May 17, 2013 7:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat: And Mr Heinlein was speaking specifically of the U.S. - Mexico border, with its particular problems, as was I.
Friday, May 17, 2013 1:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: One solution...conquer Mexico.
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:43 AM
Quote:Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat: Not sure it would be worth the cost.
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