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Muslims Condemn Terrorism

POSTED BY: MAGONSDAUGHTER
UPDATED: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 05:48
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Sunday, May 26, 2013 10:15 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


But it appears no one cares to listen

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It took 9,000 officers, five days, and roughly $1 billion in lost revenue for Boston, but suspect one is dead and suspect two is in custody.

So let me start with the standard roll call: As an American Muslim, I condemn all violence in the name of religion. Terrorism has no religion and Islam is no exception. If the Tsarnaev brothers are guilty of the Boston bombings, then I hope they are brought to justice.

Is that condemnation clear enough? Because I'm pretty sure a whole lot of people instead read blah blah blah blah blah.

Here's the deal. It is a shame that we had to employ 9,000 officers, put our lives on hold for five days, and sacrifice $1 billion in Boston revenue to catch these culprits. It is a shame that Muslim women were assaulted in retaliation, and that's even before we knew who the suspects were. And it is a shame I received threats of anti-Muslim violence and that even my non-Muslim but non-white friends called me, fearing for their safety.

And now the public lynching and double standards against Islam begin. Mental illness was the culprit during Newtown, Conn., Oak Creek, Wis., and Aurora, Colo. More than 70 percent of America's 64 previous mass shooters were white American men. But not one pundit, nor any politician, nor any Muslim has ever asked why White Americans or Christian Americans are not aggressively condemning these acts of terror. After all, why ask such a ludicrous question? Anyone with a functioning cerebrum could comprehend that these terrorists represent only themselves.

But why do our brains shut down when the slightest indication exists that the culprit might maybe possibly be Muslim? No sooner did the Boston tragedy occur -- and even before the slightest indication emerged regarding who perpetrated the attack -- but I received dozens of emails and messages asking why "moderate Muslims" aren't condemning the attack?

This was my initial reaction to such demands for condemnation.

Muslims condemned 9/11, we condemned 7/7, we condemned the Fort Hood tragedy, we condemned the underwear bomber, we condemned the Times Square bomber, and now yet again we find ourselves condemning the Boston Bombers on the mere suspicion that they were "motivated by Islam."

And this is why I am unsure if people hear Muslims when Muslims declare -- in response to every violent act or attempt at violence -- that Islam condemns all forms of religious violence and terrorism. Because even after condemning the Boston bombers, I receive messages that the condemnation wasn't "loud enough" or "clear enough" or passionate enough." " In other words, all they heard from me was blah blah blah blah blah.

And the fact is Muslims have gone far beyond mere condemnation but taken action. The Muslims for Life campaign has raised over 25,000 blood donations in the past two years to honor 9/11 victims. The #MyJihad campaign serves to demonstrate Jihad's true meaning. The Muslims for Peace campaign champions true, peaceful Islam. I could go on but hopefully you get the picture.

America is not under threat from radical Islam, but it is under threat from radical ignorance. This ignorance is a far more powerful and far more destructive force than any act of terror. I speak having experienced the horrific after effects of such ignorance.

Some 40 years ago, Pakistan decided to succumb to such ignorance and direct its wrath against my peaceful and pluralistic Muslim sect -- the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. What began as passive discrimination advanced to laws banning our freedom of expression and worship, to now open violence against all religious and belief minorities in Pakistan -- Ahmadi Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Shiite Muslims, Baha'is, and atheists. Pakistan went from a relatively peaceful nation entirely alien to terrorist attacks, to one that suffers through 3,000 civilian deaths from terrorists annually and now devoid of religious freedom.

If Americans have any hope of winning the "war on terror," it won't come from demonizing American Muslims, or Islam in general. It will come from education through interfaith dialogues, joining together in service of humanity, and recognizing that we are all equal human beings in search of similar goals of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It will come from all Americans rejecting ignorance and uniting even stronger against extremism that tries to divide us.

The path of radical ignorance is a one way street; if we go down this path, don't expect to come back so easily. As I said, I've tried reasoning with extremists in Pakistan to give up discrimination and favor tolerance.

But all they seem to hear is blah blah blah blah blah.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/qasim-rashid/do-you-even-hear-muslims-wh
en-we-condemn-violence_b_3125564.html

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Monday, May 27, 2013 1:09 AM

AURAPTOR

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But not one pundit, nor any politician, nor any Muslim has ever asked why White Americans or Christian Americans are not aggressively condemning these acts of terror


While it's no secret that most mass shootings are committed by white males, ( Save for Va Tech and Oikos University ) there doesn't seem to be to be any connection between one or the other. They're crazy, and feel that killing lots of folks is a suitable reaction to the problems they're facing in life.

And I don't believe, save for anti-abortion murders, anyone is killing in the name of the god of the Bible, or yelling 'JESUS IS GREAT ! " or any such thing. Those events are few and far between.

Not so w/ radical muslim violence.

While I'd like to applaud those coming out against the violence, there seems to be a tone of thinly veiled anger that poor muslims are being unfairly put upon.

boo frelling hoo.


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Monday, May 27, 2013 3:03 AM

GEEZER

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The writer of this article also skips over the fact that there is generally universal condemnation of racial or gender-based hate crimes in the U.S.

When it's folks with a stated agenda, be it religious intolerence, race hatred, homophobia, etc. people do tend to condemn that message.

When it's just self-aggrandizing nut-cases, they blame the individual.

Blaming all Muslims for the acts of a few radicalized pawns is like blaming all gun owners for the acts of a few crazies.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Monday, May 27, 2013 7:45 AM

NIKI2

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Thanx, Magons; I long since gave up on that one, but it's good to read.
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More than 70 percent of America's 64 previous mass shooters were white American men.

That's a pertinent point. IN THIS COUNTRY, we face far more danger from idiots and crazies with guns than we ever do from terrorists with bombs. I'll wager that if you even add all those killed on 9/11 to all other acts of Islamist terrorism, you still wouldn't match the number of deaths by guns. And as to condemnation of the acts of crazies, when it comes to the "christian" anti-abortion crowd, you better BELIEVE they cheer them!

Hell, some of them even want to make it LEGAL:
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A state bill to expand the definition of justifiable homicide in South Dakota to include killing someone in the defense of an unborn child was postponed indefinitely Wednesday after an uproar over whether the legislation would put abortion providers at greater risk.

The bill, approved by the House Judiciary Committee last week on a 9-to-3 party-line vote, establishes in part that “homicide is justifiable if committed by any person in the lawful defense of such person, or of his or her husband, wife, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant, or the unborn child of any such enumerated person.”

The phrasing caused concern and disbelief on both sides of the abortion debate. The bill was cheered, though, by those anti-abortion activists who argue that the use of violence is justified to stop doctors from carrying out abortions.

Dr. Marvin Buehner, of Rapid City, S.D., who is the only doctor in the region to provide abortions for women whose health and safety are at risk, said he was shaken by the measure.

“Once you get the sense that the Legislature will tolerate violence against abortion providers, even if the legislation is not enacted, it crosses the line into intimidation,” he said.

Dave Leach, an Iowa anti-abortion activist, praised the bill, saying it could end abortions in South Dakota by scaring away doctors or [u\by establishing grounds for someone to kill those who stay.

“There may be something I’m overlooking, but from all appearances, this bill would certainly justify an individual taking the life of an abortionist in order to save human lives,” he said. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/us/17dakota.html?_r=0#h]
In other words, no condemnation, and not just "crazies". So let's not get all high and mighty and claim Americans all condemn this kind of terrorism--which is precisely what it is.

Remember George Tiller's murder?
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Some anti-abortionist zealots are actually celebrating the murder, the way they cheered the deaths of Dr. Barnett Slepian in Buffalo, N.Y., in 1998 and Dr. John Britton in Pensacola in 1994.

still remember being outside Florida State Prison in Starke for the 2003 execution of Paul Hill, who killed Britton and his bodyguard.

It was probably the most bizarre thing I’ve covered. Anti-death penalty liberals and anti-abortion conservatives aligned for the day protesting Hill’s execution.

But Hill’s supporters not only wanted him spared the death penalty, they wanted him fully pardoned, saying he was completely justified in his actions.

I just don’t get that way of thinking at all.

Then again, Holy Wars never do make much sense. http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/columnists/mayo/blog/2009/06/abor
tion_doctors_murder_the_he.html


We've had our own little holy war going on for decades in this country, and there are plenty who cheer it on "in god's name". There are plenty of articles illustrating this mentality that I could put up, but I shouldn't have to. Those who CHOOSE to focus their hate on Muslims and minimize the holy war in this country do so for their own reasons; it doesn't change the facts.



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Monday, May 27, 2013 10:30 AM

KPO

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Blaming all Muslims for the acts of a few radicalized pawns is like blaming all gun owners for the acts of a few crazies.

Which... no one does.


It's not personal. It's just war.

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Monday, May 27, 2013 10:47 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by kpo:
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Blaming all Muslims for the acts of a few radicalized pawns is like blaming all gun owners for the acts of a few crazies.

Which... no one does.


It's not personal. It's just war.



Oh no, they don't BLAME gun owners, they just want to take their guns away, or post the addresses of licensed gun owners in the local news papers.

How'd it go over if EVERY Muslims name and home address were posted in... say the Boston area, after the marathon bombing ?



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Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:48 AM

GEEZER

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Originally posted by kpo:
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Blaming all Muslims for the acts of a few radicalized pawns is like blaming all gun owners for the acts of a few crazies.

Which... no one does.



Really?

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Originally posted by Niki2:
That's a pertinent point. IN THIS COUNTRY, we face far more danger from idiots and crazies with guns than we ever do from terrorists with bombs.




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Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:31 AM

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So Geezer thinks all gun owners are "idiots and crazies"?



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Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:37 AM

GEEZER

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So Geezer thinks all gun owners are "idiots and crazies"?




No, Mike. Didn't you read the faked emails?


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Tuesday, May 28, 2013 11:34 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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While I'd like to applaud those coming out against the violence, there seems to be a tone of thinly veiled anger that poor muslims are being unfairly put upon.

boo frelling hoo.




How's your empathy chip these days. Ever wonder how hard it must be to be a moderate Muslim living in the west, each time of these atrocities happens?

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Tuesday, May 28, 2013 11:46 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


He complains that muslims don't speak out to condemn terrorism. And then when they do, he's still not happy.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Wednesday, May 29, 2013 2:11 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:



While I'd like to applaud those coming out against the violence, there seems to be a tone of thinly veiled anger that poor muslims are being unfairly put upon.

boo frelling hoo.




How's your empathy chip these days. Ever wonder how hard it must be to be a moderate Muslim living in the west, each time of these atrocities happens?



Each and EVERY time these atrocities happen?

Hmm.

Walked right into that one and ya didn't even see it.

Hope you're o.k.


kpo - ' A day late and a dollar short' comes to mind.


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Wednesday, May 29, 2013 2:41 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I actually have no idea of what you mean?

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Wednesday, May 29, 2013 5:08 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Does he ever actually MEAN anything? Have you thought about that?
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they just want to take their guns away

There he goes again.
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IN THIS COUNTRY, we face far more danger from idiots and crazies with guns than we ever do from terrorists with bombs.

I guess he does believe "all" gun owners are idiots and crazies, since that's what he's implying. He is also happy to extrapolate from that statement that I want to "take everyone's guns away". My point was that I believe we should make an effort to MINIMIZE who owns a deadly weapon, not just let women who don't remember what purse they left their LOADED GUN IN carry them around. S'okay with him, tho', apparently, for irresponsible and unbalanced people to walk around armed in society.

The other side of "take everyone's guns away" is unfortunately as true as that statement is false. THEY want everyone to OWN a gun, even children, whether they're capable of being responsible or not.


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Wednesday, May 29, 2013 5:16 AM

BYTEMITE


He was commenting on the number of attacks and claiming your argument is undermined by its very foundation, while at the same time saying that mass shootings and bombings carried out by white people in America don't count in the same comparative category.

This is usually the point where I start thinking about lunch.

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Wednesday, May 29, 2013 5:48 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Then he should have cited facts showing that more people are harmed in America by Islamist terrorism than by guns wielded by irresponsible/unbalanced people. I don't believe he can, nor that he would bother trying to make that point. My post countered his "there is generally universal condemnation of racial or gender-based hate crimes in the U.S." by offering specifics; that's debating. What he did is snarking.

Lunch sounds good.


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