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Weekend Heat Wave to Bake Western U.S.

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Saturday, June 29, 2013 3:05 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


And we ARE baking...got up before 5am this morning, still 75 in the house. Not going to run the dog, it's just too damned hot for them, ran 'em early yesterday and felt guilty, had to take 'em back at a walk. We just lay around with fans on, feeling sorry for Koch (who has a heavy coat) and waiting it out.
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If you think a place called Furnace Creek would be hot in the summer, you're right. The town in California's Death Valley is expected to hit 128 degrees Saturday.

And the heat will stay on full blast through Tuesday, at least. At night, the mercury will drop to a refreshingly cool 96 degrees.

Fun aside, the heat wave scorching the Southwest is dangerous, as 170 concert goers found out Friday evening in Las Vegas, according to the fire department.

Ambulances plucked them out of 110 degree heat in an open air musical venue and drove them to a shady spot, where they could sit down and drink water.

An additional 30 people were treated for heat ailments in local hospitals.

Many of the excessive heat warnings issued by the National Weather Service extend through Tuesday night, with advisories from northern California, including Sacramento, all the way to southern Arizona. Forecasters say temperatures through the weekend could rival a 2005 heat wave that killed 17 people in the Las Vegas area.

The culprit is a high pressure dome that's blocking cooler air coming down from the Pacific Northwest, CNN meteorologist Indra Petersons said. That system won't begin to break up until early next week, she said. http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/29/us/southwest-heat/index.html?hpt=hp_t1]


Until late July or August, we usually get no more than two-three days of heat in the Bay Area, then the fog rolls in and cools us down again for two-three days, then rolls out again. Not this year.
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Tigers at the Phoenix Zoo are getting frozen fish snacks. Temporary cooling stations are popping up to welcome the homeless and elderly. And airlines are monitoring the soaring temperatures to make sure it’s safe to fly as the western U.S. falls into the grip of a dangerous heat wave.

A strong high-pressure system settling over the region Friday and through the weekend will bring extreme temperatures to the already blazing Southwest. Notoriously hot Death Valley in California is forecast to reach 129 degrees, not far off the world-record high of 134 logged there exactly one century ago.

The National Weather Service predicts Phoenix could reach a high of 118 on Friday, while Las Vegas could see the same temperature over the weekend.

Temperatures are expected to soar across Utah and into parts of Wyoming and Idaho, where forecasters are calling for triple-digit heat in the Boise area through the weekend.

Cities in Washington state better known for cool, rainy weather should break the 90s early next week, while northern Utah — marketed as having “the greatest snow on Earth” — is expected to hit triple digits. In Albuquerque, N.M., the mercury hit 105 on Thursday afternoon, the hottest it has been in the state’s most populous city in 19 years.

“This is the hottest time of the year but the temperatures that we’ll be looking at for Friday through Sunday, they’ll be toward the top. We’ll be at or above record levels in the Phoenix area and throughout a lot of the southwestern United States,” said National Weather Service meteorologist Mark O’Malley. “It’s going to be baking hot across much of the entire West.”

Scientists say that the jet stream, the river of air that dictates weather patterns, has been more erratic in the past few years. It’s responsible for weather systems getting stuck, like the current heat wave.

In June 1990, when Phoenix hit 122 degrees, several airlines, including America West, which later merged with US Airways, were forced to cease flights for several hours because the planes didn’t have the data needed to know how they would fly in temperatures above 120 degrees. http://nation.time.com/2013/06/28/weekend-heat-wave-to-bake-western-u-
s-2/#ixzz2XbpVB6oc
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A new study provides evidence that climate change may be affecting the northern hemisphere jet stream. As a result of climate change, Arctic autumn temperatures have warmed by as much as 5 degrees Celsius (9 degrees F), reducing the temperature gradient between the Arctic and temperate latitudes. In response the jet stream appears to be moving northward and its wind speed slowing. In turn, this may be slowing the westward progression of waves in the jet stream, which cause weather variation along their westward path as they fluctuate north and south.

The slowing of the jet stream, therefore, could cause weather patterns to remain in place for longer, resulting in prolonged heat waves or cold snaps. This study indicates that the jet stream is increasingly likely to stay where it is. If so, we really could be in for a hot one. http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2012/03/07/climate-change-may-be-affectin
g-the-jet-stream/
]


On the subject of "erratic jet stream", we JUST had three days of RAIN, real rain, which dumped three INCHES on us here in Marin.
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We said it was going to be a wet weekend in California and the forecast has lived up to expectations.

In downtown San Francisco, 1.07 inches fell. Oakland received an incredible 1.45 inches of rain while San Jose and Monterey picked up 0.78 and 0.83 inches respectively.

This type of rainfall in June is quite rare. How rare? Let's just say the atmosphere in California needs to check the calendar. While systems like this are common in Northern and Central California from late fall through the winter and into early spring, they are very unusual this time of year.

Only paltry amounts of rain are expected in the summer months and June averages just over a tenth of an inch. Interestingly enough, San Francisco has already seen more rain in the first two days of the month than the entire month average....since 1849 only four times has rainfall exceeded an inch during the month of June! http://www.weather.com/outlook/weather-news/news/articles/rare-june-ca
lifornia-storm_2011-06-03
]


THAT was the "unusual rain" we got at the beginning of June, and it broke SF's record of .49 of an inch set in 1934...this last one was much heavier:
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A rare late June rainstorm brought widespread precipitation to Northern and Central California this past Sunday- Tuesday. Precipitation totals were impressive in the Sierra Nevada and northern mountain ranges where up to 9” of rain fell. http://www.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian



THAT one set a new daily record here in Marin. In the middle, by the way, of a drought year in California.

But of course there's no global warming...

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Saturday, June 29, 2013 4:00 AM

WHOZIT


Not Globle Warming, it's called "Summer".

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Saturday, June 29, 2013 4:18 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yes, of course, we all remember
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The next issue of Psychological Science includes a piece ( http://pss.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/03/25/0956797612457686.abstr
act) on new research ( http://websites.psychology.uwa.edu.au/labs/cogscience/documents/Lskyet
alPsychScienceinPressClimateConspiracy.pdf) which finds how the disbelief of climate change is found among the same people who also believe other conspiracy theories. The fact that climate change is backed by thousands of peer-reviewed research papers with gigabytes upon gigabytes of data to back it up means nothing to them. They put it with conspiracies that have no credible evidence, many times with only some blogger or YouTube video proclaiming it as true.

Their adherence to laissez-faire markets is also telling. The historically proven failures of the laissez-faire system, with its regular cycle of booms and busts, are lost on these people. They believe with all of their hearts the fantasy that the invisible hand of the market will resolve all problems. This of course flies in the fact of history, which demonstrates that those with power will abuse it.

The paper reveals that people who reject climate change are doing it not out of any scientific basis, or even out of skepticism. They are rejecting it based on ideological principle only. As a result, arguing with them using only logic, or facts, will never work.



But the FACT is, it's not just "Summer":
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A blazing heat wave expected to send the mercury soaring to nearly 120 degrees in Phoenix and Las Vegas settled over the West on Friday, threatening to ground airliners and raising fears that people and pets will get burned on the scalding pavement.

Meteorologist Jeff Berardelli of CBS station WFOR-TV told "CBS This Morning" that the extreme heat "is going to be about as extreme as it gets. In fact, a once-in-a-century-type heat wave in the deep Southwest."

The heat was so punishing that rangers took up positions at trailheads at Lake Mead in Nevada to persuade people not to hike. The mercury in Death Valley was expected to reach nearly 130 on Friday — just short of the 134-degree reading from a century ago that stands as the highest temperature ever recorded on Earth.

Temperatures are also expected to soar across Utah and into Wyoming and Idaho, with triple-digit heat forecast for the Boise area.

Cities in Washington state that are better known for cool, rainy weather should break the 90s next week, while northern Utah — marketed as having "the greatest snow on Earth" — is expected to hit triple digits.

Alexander Gershunov, who studies climate change at Scripps Institution of Oceanography, said western heat waves are changing, CBS News reported. "The new type of heat waves that are becoming increasingly frequent are humid heat waves," he said, "and with high humidity, we actually have much hotter nighttime temperatures."

Health officials warned people to be extremely careful when venturing outdoors. The risks include not only dehydration and heat stroke but burns from the concrete and asphalt.

Cooling stations were set up to shelter the homeless as well as elderly people who can't afford to run their air conditioners. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57591484/heat-wave-bears-down-on-w
estern-u.s-making-for-brutal-weekend/



Of course, our righties will want those cooling stations done away with, 'cuz if you can't afford to protect yourself from the coming weather disasters, you should just lay down and die, like the poor...

Keep trying, Head-In-The-Sanders, but you'll run out of snarks before climate change runs out of disasters.


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Saturday, June 29, 2013 3:52 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by whozit:

Not Globle Warming, it's called "Summer".



The Al Gore climate cultists just can't comprehend complex scientific concepts such as "seasons". When Fall and Winter come around they will start their predictable screeching about global cooling. And on and on it goes...four seasons a year.

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Sunday, June 30, 2013 6:28 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


That is without a doubt one of the stupidest things you've ever written.

To the adults here: We hit 100 yesterday, a real rarity here in Marin, and the West and Southwest are suffering greatly. Won't break until Tuesday, also virtually unheard of. My heart goes out to those without defenses to deal with it.


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Sunday, June 30, 2013 6:32 AM

OONJERAH



I have missed all the Global Cooling screeches. Links?

And please be sure it's the Al Gore cultists you reference.


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Sunday, June 30, 2013 2:16 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Sorry to disappoint, Oonj, but of course there've never BEEN any, obviously. ;o)

(Nice to see you; miss your voice!)


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Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:24 PM

OONJERAH



Good to see you too, Niki. -:)

Yeah it's hot up here in the foothills. But I have a bit

of shade, & anyways, I like the heat. Haven't turned on

the A/C yet today.

Idea: Turn on the mister outside!


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A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. ~Paul Simon

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Sunday, June 30, 2013 4:04 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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The Al Gore climate cultists


Where do you get this from Jongs? Is FOX news this stupid, or do you have other, more rabid sources of input?

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Sunday, June 30, 2013 4:36 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Oh, hey Kwicko - if you're reading us whine about a few days above 100F - YES, I keep in mind what you all went through in Texas!

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Sunday, June 30, 2013 4:49 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by kpo:
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The Al Gore climate cultists


Where do you get this from Jongs? Is FOX news this stupid, or do you have other, more rabid sources of input?

It's not personal. It's just war.




He seems to be following WorldNut Daily a lot more lately.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, June 30, 2013 8:53 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


The Northern wind is so cold in Tennessee today I can't stand to turn on a fan, never mind the AC.




In Firefly the Alliance merged the US flag with the flag of Communist China

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Monday, July 1, 2013 2:42 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, Mike; I felt for you guys then, and others when they suffer this, and am always grateful it happens to us LESS. I can't deal with heat; I feel like I've been stoned for days, just in a daze. I get the dogs out, then kick on the little living room window AC and sit and wait until I can go to the Outback and sleep, with the fan on. Don't want to eat, only makes me hotter and nothing sounds good and I'll be damned if I'll COOK! I only sleep an hour or so at a time at night before I wake up again, roll over and try to go back to sleep. Last night I lay down on the couch at 6 (can't go to bed until dark enough to take the back yard bird feeders in), dozed until 8, fed the beasties and went to bed, didn't get up until just now (5-ish) and time to get the dogs out before dawn again. This sux....

I can't imagine how people survive who deal with it more often than we do...


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Monday, July 1, 2013 1:25 PM

OONJERAH



Niki, "I can't imagine how people survive who deal with it more often than we do..."



I s'pect we're gonna be them that deal with it more often.

I have a wee advantage: Heat doesn't bother me til it's 90 or so.

It's the cold I can't bear.


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All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. ~Paul Simon


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Monday, July 1, 2013 1:51 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Niki2:

That is without a doubt one of the stupidest things you've ever written.

To the adults here: We hit 100 yesterday, a real rarity here in Marin, and the West and Southwest are suffering greatly. Won't break until Tuesday, also virtually unheard of. My heart goes out to those without defenses to deal with it.




Know what ? We DIDN'T hit 100 here yesterday. We didn't even hit 90. In fact, we've had the fewest # of 90+ highs for this summer than we've had in YEARS.

Things like this go in cycles. Some times you have droughts. Some times you have massive rains.

It's how the planet works. Always has, always will, until our sun burns out, and leaves this rock a charred, smoldering clump.

The true delusion is in thinking we could ever change what's been taking place for billions of years.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

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Monday, July 1, 2013 4:28 PM

OONJERAH


Auraptor: "until our sun burns out, and leaves this rock a charred, smoldering clump."

.



Our sun is a yellow dwarf. Yellow dwarf stars don't go nova,

'cause they haven't enough mass. This sun will never crispy fry

this solar system.

When our sun burns out, it will leave this rock a frozen ice ball.

Gases in the atmosphere, nitrogen, oxygen, CO2, will also condense

and settle on the surface of the ice.

The true delusion is in maintaining a level of ignorance that would

be fatal in a more primitive & self-sufficient society.


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All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. ~Paul Simon

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Monday, July 1, 2013 5:07 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


The planet will likely burn out first, long before it cools. I never said our sun would go 'nova', but it will expand, before it dies. When it does that, all said gasses will be burned away, and our atmo lost. We'll be much like Mercury, I suspect.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, July 1, 2013 5:10 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


You have GOT to see this!

WEATHER GIRL GOES ROGUE


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Tuesday, July 2, 2013 1:41 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Degrassi chicks shouldn't be doing the weather in the first place.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, July 2, 2013 2:33 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, thank you so much for that, Sig, I needed it. After fending off this damned buzzing insect that keeps flying around this place, making ridiculous noises and trying to sting everyone, that was a breath of fresh (still currently at least) air. Prize for first giggles of the morning (well, what she said wasn't funny, but you gotta laugh or you'd cry, right?).

I may keep that clip and add it to the explanation of why insects "think" (I use the term loosely, obviously). I understand the bullshit motivation, and ignore the obvious idiocy, but the need to obsessively troll every thread on the issue is sometimes mildly irritating. ;o)

ETA (after returning from running the dogs). On the radio this morning, the ridge above Olema (out by the Coast) clocked in at 82 degrees just before sunrise. Unprecedented.


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Tuesday, July 2, 2013 5:41 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

I have missed all the Global Cooling screeches. Links?

And please be sure it's the Al Gore cultists you reference.




It was a little before Al's time.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/05/21/1975-tornado-outbreaks-b
lamed-on-global-cooling
/

There was quite a bit of news about "Global Cooling" in the mid 1970s.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Tuesday, July 2, 2013 6:12 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Aww, what the hell, it only takes a minute or two.
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A persistent argument designed to discredit the field of climate science is that scientists predicted an ice age in the 1970s. So popular in fact that it ranks an impressive #7 in the most cited skeptic arguments. The logic goes that climate scientists got it completely wrong predicting global cooling in the 1970s (it started warming instead). Hence climate science can't be trusted about current global warming predictions. Setting aside the logical flaws of such an ad hominem argument, was there any consensus among 70s climate scientists predicting global cooling?

The evidence for global cooling consensus

Most cited is a 1975 Newsweek article The Cooling World that suggested cooling "may portend a drastic decline for food production":
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"Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend… But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century."


A 1974 Times Magazine article Another Ice Age? painted a similarly bleak picture:
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"When meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe, they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age."


However, these are media articles, not peer reviewed scientific papers. Does a consensus on global cooling emerge from the scientific literature?

Skeptical quote mining of 1970s scientific literature

Most mentioned is Rasool 1971 which projected that if aerosol levels increased 6 to 8 fold, it may trigger an ice age. While Rasool underestimated climate sensitivity to CO2, its basic assertion that the climate would cool with a dramatic increase of aerosols was correct. However, aerosol levels dropped rather than increased. More on Rasool...

A 2003 Washington Post op-ed by James Schlesinger, Climate Change: The Science Isn't Settled, quoted a 1972 National Science Board report as follows:
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"Judging from the record of the past interglacial ages, the present time of high temperatures should be drawing to an end . . . leading into the next glacial age."


The full quote from the report is as follows:
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"Judging from the record of the past interglacial ages, the present time of high temperatures should be drawing to an end, to be followed by a long period of considerably colder temperatures leading to the next glacial age some 20,000 years from now. However, it is possible, or even likely, that human interference has already altered the environment so much that the climatic pattern of the near future will follow a different path.

For instance, widespread deforestation in recent centuries, especially in Europe and North America, together with increased atmospheric opacity due to man-made dust storms and industrial wastes, should have increased the Earth’s reflectivity. At the same time increasing concentration of industrial carbon dioxide in the atmosphere should lead to a temperature increase by absorption of infrared radiation from the Earth’s surface.

When these human factors are added to such other natural factors as volcanic eruptions, changes in solar activity, and resonances within the hydro-atmosphere, their effect can only be estimated in terms of direction, not of amount"



Schlesinger's op-ed has been quoted widely including James Inhofe's Senate testimony. Skeptic citing of the scientific literature have taken conclusions out of context, overlooking qualifications and stated uncertainties. What does a broader look at the scientific literature reveal?

A new paper exposing the myth of 70s global cooling

Over time, William Connelly has been steadily documenting 70s research predicting global cooling. It's a rich resource but as he admits, could be more accessible. Now he has collaborated with Thomas Peterson and John Fleck to publish "The Myth of the 1970's Global Cooling Scientific Consensus" ( http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/131047.pdf), due to be published in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society.

The paper surveys climate studies from 1965 to 1979 (and in a refreshing change to other similar surveys, lists all the papers). They find very few papers (7 in total) predict global cooling. This isn't surprising. What surprises is that even in the 1970s, on the back of 3 decades of cooling, more papers (42 in total) predict global warming due to CO2 than cooling.


Figure 1: Number of papers classified as predicting future global cooling (blue) or warming (red). In no year were there more global cooling papers than global warming papers.

So in fact, the large majority of climate research in the 1970s predicted the Earth would warm as a consequence of CO2. Rather than climate science predicting cooling, the opposite is the case. Most interesting about Peterson's paper is not the debunking of an already well debunked skeptic argument but a succinct history of climate science over the 20th century, describing how scientists from different fields gradually pieced together their diverse findings into a more unified picture of how climate operates. http://www.skepticalscience.com/What-1970s-science-said-about-global-c
ooling.html



The paper linked provides detailed facts, figures, etc., and we can now lay that one at rest. Well, those of us for whom it's not a "neener, neener" bullshit argument.


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Tuesday, July 2, 2013 6:28 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Niki2:
The paper linked provides detailed facts, figures, etc., and we can now lay that one at rest. Well, those of us for whom it's not a "neener, neener" bullshit argument.




Get the stick out your butt, Niki.

OONJERAH asked for screeches about Global Cooling and I provided one. Only in your mind is it an "argument" about anything.




"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Tuesday, July 2, 2013 8:05 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


And I debunked the "global cooling screeches" thoroughly. The original statement was "The Al Gore climate cultists just can't comprehend complex scientific concepts such as "seasons". When Fall and Winter come around they will start their predictable screeching about global cooling."

I don't know who is being called an Al Gore climate cultist, but the obvious assumption is those of us here who acknowledge global warming. Given there was no Al Gore ANYTHING in the '70s, that's wrong anyway, but beyond that, there hasn't been one SINGLE "global cooling" anything from anyone here and you know it. Ergo your attempt to show there was SOME kind of "global cooling" screech...or something...was erroneous in the first place, but I went one further and showed with facts and figures that scientists were postulating global WARMING back in the '70s, not global cooling.

So. No "Al Gore climate cultists" EVER said anything about global cooling. There have been absolutely no references to global COOLING from anyone on this forum. And the supposed "global cooling" thing of the '70s--although completely irrelevant to the statement in question--has been debunked.

On top of all THAT, what you linked is erroneous. The TITLE is that some tornadoes were blamed on global cooling, but that's a total lie; within the news clipping itself it says clearly "Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend, as well as its specific impact on local weather conditions", and NOWHERE does the news clipping blame the tornadoes on global cooling. Ergo, what you posted is a complete and total fraud in and of itself.

Who's got the stick up their butt?


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Wednesday, July 3, 2013 5:28 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Wednesday: Well, the "weekend heat wave" is still with us, and going to continue at least through tomorrow.
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"extreme heat will continue across the Western states, especially the Southwest," the weather service said.

Cities in California, Nevada and Arizona have already suffered through heat topping 120 degrees in the past few days.

The heat was so torrid in Idaho that Boise residents could bake cookies without an oven.

CNN affiliate KTVB placed a pan of chocolate chip cookie dough on the dashboard of a car. Within a few hours, the cookies were fully baked -- and even overcooked. http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/03/us/extreme-weather/index.html?hpt=hp_bn1



Yeah, it's just Summer. You betcha.


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