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REAL NEWS JULY 21

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Sunday, July 21, 2013 11:17
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Saturday, July 20, 2013 10:51 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The earth is still warming.

The population is still growing.

And, in other important news....

The Greek Parliament has just approved yet another austerity measure in order to get yet another bailout from the EU. Unemployment in Greece is at 27%, and the economy is in a shambles, thanks to the German, Finnish and Nederlander banks continuing to demand additional pounds of flesh to make good on their improvident loans. There was a nationwide strike as a result. Despite the population clearly being against the Parliament's new laws, Parliament continues to ignore the will of the people, and toe the financiers' line. So much for democracy!

If you haven't seen it yet, you should watch Gasland Part 2. It describes the ecological, personal, and health costs of fracking: how people lost their water, their homes, their health and their free speech fighting a system that was corrupted by people like Ed Rendell, former PA governor who protected gas industries while in office, burying little people along the way, and who then got a nice cushy job with a pro-industry group.

http://www.gaslandthemovie.com/

In related news, the EPA is writing permits for fracking wells in Wyoming. These wells will be allowed to irrigate drylands with fracking fluids mixed with petroleum contaminants. But thanks to the Halliburton loophole (which Cheney pushed for), fracking wells do not need to meet the Clean Water Act, and therefore the permits issued do not even mention fracking fluid components such as hydrofluoric acid, solvents and detergents, much less control for them. This is a clean aquifer versus oil/gas conflict, and clean water is losing.

http://www2.epa.gov/region8/npdes-permits-document-download#1

Comments are due IN WRITING July 26 to
Colleen Rathbone (8P-W-WW),
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, Region 8,
1595 Wynkoop Street,
Denver, CO 80202-1129.


WHY do Russia and China have the USA over a barrel about Syria and Iran? It's because moving all of those tanks, trucks, weapons and other materiel from Afghanistan will be impossible through Pakistan (seeing as we pissed them off with our drone attacks), very difficult through the 'Stans without Russian support.


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Sunday, July 21, 2013 3:04 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


i buy into big oil's claims that fraking is harmless, as it's been going on for 60+ years. The hysteria over it comes mainly from those against the US being able to use more oil, there by defeating their underlying agenda of taking the country down a few notches. to "even things out ", with the rest of the world.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, July 21, 2013 5:37 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yes, that is your problem rappy. You "buy into" ideas, you "believe" them. What you DON'T do is investigate, try to understand the essential facts (You don't think that such things as "facts" even exist), and THINK. That is why... despite your constant bleating about wanting to keep the environment clean... you will be ready to pollute it to death, and when catstrophes like the BP oil spill occur, you will be always unready and surprised.

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Sunday, July 21, 2013 5:48 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


You believe funny things. I buy into the facts.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, July 21, 2013 6:03 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Do you have the faintest idea what percentage of fracking wells fail in the first year? After 20 years? Of course not. Facts... not your thing. You just believe they're safe because they told you so.

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Sunday, July 21, 2013 6:07 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


From the US SUX thread, because it more properly belongs here...



That's nothing compared to the minesweeper (Guardian) which ran aground on a World Heritage Site coral reef near the Phillippines.

http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2013/06/22/956789/lack-leadership-le
d-guardian-grounding-us-navy

Get used to it. Sorry to say (this belongs in the REAL NEWS post) that China is avidly seeking resources outside of it's boundaries- coal mines and agricultural land in Africa, soy fields in Brazil, copper mines in Mexico, and oil anywhere it can get.

At the moment, China is desperately seeking to break the Iran oil blockade set up by the USA, and has significantly increased both its military spending and it's military presence in the South China Sea. The economic "cooperation" between US corporations and China may soon come to an end, now that China has the factories that it desired. This apparent cooperation may be replaced by hostile treatment of foreign investors (Glaxo has already just had a significant run-in with PRC) and increasingly ocean-going Chinese military. ETA: Note that ocean-going vessels such as aircraft carriers are not defensive weapons but actual projections of power. China's long history (since 1400) of keeping within its borders may come to an end.


http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1246897/pla-navys-three-fleets-
meet-south-china-sea-rare-show-force

I know that Northern Australia is hosting a brand-spanking-new USA military base. The USA will steam back and forth all over the South China Sea area, from its bases in S Korea, Japan and Australia, intending to militarily intimidate China.

On behalf of the USA, I deeply apologize for our nation behaving like a worlwide asshole.

The funny thing is, China could end this scenario any time it desired by popping the US petrodollar-reserve currency bubble. All it has to do is stop buying US Treasuries, or stop accepting US dollars, or make significant deals with oil-producing nations based on the yuan instead of the USD. It may yet, if the USA becomes too restrictive to its development plans.

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Sunday, July 21, 2013 10:20 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Do you have the faintest idea what percentage of fracking wells fail in the first year? After 20 years? Of course not. Facts... not your thing. You just believe they're safe because they told you so.



Who's the scaredy - cat now ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, July 21, 2013 11:17 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


For those who're interested in facts
Quote:

Chief among them is the notion that a "leakproof well" is possible. We've heard time again that strict regulation is the key to moving forward on fracking, and that new regulations should make sure that industry constructs leakproof wells that do not pollute the water table. There is no such thing as a leakproof gas well. The gas industry knows this; in fact, it has known it for decades.

The part of the gas well that they're relying on to protect groundwater is simply cement: about a 1-inch-thick layer between the steel casing and the surrounding rock. Cement is permeable before it sets, subject to cracking afterward and can never be made leakproof. A 1-inch layer could never be adequate when groundwater is at risk.

The gas industry's own documents and case studies show that about 6 percent of cement jobs fail immediately upon installation, and recent experience in the Pennsylvania Marcellus shale has borne this out over and over again.

Pennsylvania's Department of Environmental Protection has tracked gas leaking from wells across the state. They found 6.2 percent of new gas wells were leaking in 2010, 6.2 percent in 2011 and 7.2 percent so far in 2012.

When the cement fails, it opens a pathway for gas and other toxins involved in the drilling and fracking process to migrate into groundwater and to the surface.

Cementing failure was what caused the blowout of the Macondo Well in the Gulf of Mexico, the ongoing enormous gas leak in the North Sea and contamination of groundwater onshore from Pennsylvania to Wyoming. Over the nearly four years the "Gasland'' film team spent researching the issue on the ground, there was nowhere in the hundreds of cities and towns in 20 states we visited that didn't have a significant groundwater contamination problem resulting from drilling and fracking.

The gas industry has been studying the ongoing problem for decades, and knows it full well. In a report entitled "Well Integrity Failure Presentation," drilling service company Archer reports that nearly 20 percent of all oil and gas wells are leaking worldwide. A 2003 joint industry publication from Schlumberger, the world's No. 1 fracking company, and oil and gas giant ConocoPhillips, cites astronomical failure rates of 60 percent over a 30-year span. Industry reports on the problem point to its persistence and the impossibility of completely preventing it.



http://www.timesunion.com/opinion/article/Fracking-is-hardly-leakproof
-3646458.php


As I've mentioned before, here in the LA area our aquifer will become the most important single source of water. It's already economically worth it to ultra-treat our sewage and inject it back into the aquifer for people to drink, and to build multi-hundred-million dollar water treatment plants in the San Fernando Valley to treat industrially-contaminated groundwater to blend with other water to pipe to homes.

Add failed fracking wells and an earthquake or two, and what do you get? A failed water supply for 15 million people. Only an idiot would promote that. (I guess rappy is up for the "idiot" role again. )

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