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USC student claims police told her she was NOT raped because the attacker didn't orgasm

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Friday, July 26, 2013 3:26 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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University of Southern California students claim in a federal complaint that the school has ignored or mishandled dozens of sexual assault cases, including one case in which a woman was allegedly told by campus police that her rape report was groundless because the assailant did not orgasm.

'Because he stopped, it was not rape,' the student was allegedly told by a Department of Public Safety detective, according to the complaint, which details similar stories from more than 100 other students.

'Even though his penis penetrated your vagina, because he stopped, it was not a crime,' the detective allegedly said. As a result, the woman's case was not referred to the Los Angeles Police Department, the complaint says.

The U.S. Department of Education is launching a federal investigation into the woman's claims, along with the dozens of other allegations lodged against the school in the 110-page complaint. USC official Jody Shipper says the school will cooperate with federal officials on the inquiry.

Several students behind the complaint held a press conference Monday to talk about their cases.

'The process made me feel raped a second time,' said Tucker Reed, 23, who is a theater major at USC.

Reed says her ex-boyfriend raped her in December 2010. When she took her claims to university officials in December 2012, she said her case was not properly investigated and that it was eventually dismissed.

She says she had presented detectives with evidence of the assault, including a recording in which her alleged attacker admitted to the crime.

Another student, Ariella Mostov, said officials ignored her claims that she was sexually assaulted and that afterwards, she was forced attend classes with the suspect for an entire semester.

'USC was unwilling to make any accommodations for me,' she said, her voice shaking with emotion.
'I was outraged.'

When another student went to the school's Department of Public Safety to report a sexual assault at a fraternity event, an officer told her and a friend that women should not 'go out, get drunk and expect not to get raped,' according to the complaint.

The federal investigation is the latest in a series of inquiries into whether colleges are complying with the guidelines of Title IX, a federal civil rights law that prohibits sex discrimination in education.

Similar complaints have been filed against other schools around the nation, including Occidental College, UC Berkeley, Dartmouth, Swarthmore and Yale. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2375635/USC-student-rape-claim
s-police-told-NOT-raped-attacker-didnt-orgasm.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490



Aside from the obvious "Duh!", this is how far we still have to go...

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Friday, July 26, 2013 4:16 PM

REAVERFAN


Why won't someone come on here and disagree? Go on a tirade, make shit up!

The disgrace that is our military is getting called on the carpet. Can't seem to embed, so, find "Senator Gillibrand Presses Military Leaders On Sexual Assault" on Youtube.


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Friday, July 26, 2013 4:59 PM

NIKI2

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Not sure what you mean. It's a disgrace that our military is being called out for being totally ineffective in stopping sexual assault? That they insist the status quo of the military handling it is okay, when obviously it's not? Please clarify.


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Friday, July 26, 2013 5:05 PM

AURAPTOR

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Where's the Commander OF Chief in all this ?

Anyone ? Anyone ?


Also...

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'Even though his penis penetrated your vagina, because he stopped, it was not a crime,' the detective allegedly said.


Good to know the limits the good detective has set for anyone who wants to penetrate his wife or daughter. How very helpful.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Friday, July 26, 2013 5:16 PM

NIKI2

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What a bore. If anything's wrong, by gawd, It Must Be Obama's Personal Fault! What was someone saying about obsession...? Maybe Rap needs to get laid...?


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Friday, July 26, 2013 5:21 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Niki2:
What a bore. If anything's wrong, by gawd, It Must Be Obama's Personal Fault! What was someone saying about obsession...? Maybe Rap needs to get laid...?




Well, yeah. I do.

But that's beside the point.

Clinton can prey on young interns....meh. No biggie. Private, personal matter between him and his wife. No NOW-gang outrage there.

Rapes-a-plenty in Obama's military - Meh. Not 1 word, nor hint of accountability raised.

Wiener sexting girls 1/2 his age, and Dems marvel at how BRAVE his wife Huma is, to stand by her man. Gosh, such an inspiration !

The selective outrage of the Feminists over what truly angers them is comical to watch.

" I wonder when Beyonce will perform next at the White House Summer concert series ! "

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Saturday, July 27, 2013 4:03 AM

NIKI2

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"Not 1 word, nor hint of accountability raised."






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Saturday, July 27, 2013 4:06 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Niki2:

"Not 1 word, nor hint of accountability raised."




See ? You're doing it again.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Saturday, July 27, 2013 4:59 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The whole problem comes about whenever an organization is allowed to investigate and police ITSELF. I work (as I've said beore) for a large bureaucracy. Things have gone on that should rightfully be reported to the police... higher-ups who routinely lose their temper, throw things, grab people, and intimidate. There have been internal witch-hunts. But as long as it remains an INTERNAL matter, organizations will self-protect.

That is why the military should not police itself, schools should not police themselves... heck, the POLICE should not police themselves. There should always be an independent judicial process which follows the standards of being able to face your accuser, with testimony under oath.


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Saturday, July 27, 2013 5:08 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Clinton can prey on young interns....meh. No biggie. Private, personal matter between him and his wife. No NOW-gang outrage there.
Was it consensual?
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Rapes-a-plenty in Obama's military - Meh. Not 1 word, nor hint of accountability raised.
huh? There is PLENTY of talk about accountability!
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Wiener sexting girls 1/2 his age, and Dems marvel at how BRAVE his wife Huma is, to stand by her man. Gosh, such an inspiration !
Have not been following the story but... again, consensual? "Half his age" is still "adult". It sounds creepy and gross to me, not something I personally would voluntarily engage in, but adults do strange things in their sex lives that I have no business knowing about. AFA Huma, there's some tsk-tsking about her doormat/ good wife approach. Like I said, not following the story, I only know what's been shoved at me via the "news" headlines, but it seems to me that Wiener has a problem... a behavior that he can't stop, despite his claims to be a reformed person.

But what about the original post? It was about USC and other schools, was it not?

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Saturday, July 27, 2013 5:20 AM

WHOZIT


Who investigated this? Campus Cops? Local City Cops? Who?

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Saturday, July 27, 2013 5:34 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Campus cops.

I read about this in another article, the campus security said "Well, every student has the option to report to the city police" (The USC campus is located in LA proper, and is technically under the jurisdiction of LAPD, altho the LAPD has some sort of arrangement with campus security about which areas are patrolled by which entity.) Campus security has their hands full- the campus is in the middle of a blighted, high crime area of LA. USC used to do "outreach" to the neighborhood, bringing local kids onto campus for programs and stuff, but that didn't stop the robberies and assaults, so they are just buying up the neighborhood, building out their footprint, and walling off.

Supposedly, USC has become very sensitive to sexual harassment and rape issues because they had such a problem with their football team. But they still have a very active fraternity culture (yep, those things do still exist), and since the student population is so transient it's a lesson that needs to be repeated every year. Maybe twice a year. And since campus security seems to be focused on campus- neighborhood crimes, not student-student crimes, maybe it needs to be to beaten into campus security's head very often too.

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Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:05 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by AURaptor
Clinton can prey on young interns....meh. Wiener sexting girls 1/2 his age...
No biggie. Private, personal matter between him and his wife. No NOW-gang outrage there.



Monica Lewinsky was 21. She was definitely 'of age' in any state, and no force was involved.

As for Weiner, these are the ages of the women he sexted with:
Gennette Cordova 21, Meagan Broussard 26, Ginger Lee 28, Traci Nobles 35, Lisa Weiss 42. Since Weiner is around 48 years old, that would make women half his age 24 - not exactly young girls. Weiner is a putz, but sexting between adults is legal. If you're going to criticize him at least get some facts on board.

Oh, and what should the 'NOW-gang' be outraged about? Was there rape? MMMmmm - no. Were minors involved? Not even close. So, what IS the issue, again?

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Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:10 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


OH I just figured out little rappy's issue with Clinton and Weiner - they're democrats and they're getting some, and he's a good little rethug and he's not!

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Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:11 AM

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Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:20 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Campus cops.

I read about this in another article, the campus security said "Well, every student has the option to report to the city police" (The USC campus is located in LA proper, and is technically under the jurisdiction of LAPD, altho the LAPD has some sort of arrangement with campus security about which areas are patrolled by which entity.) Campus security has their hands full- the campus is in the middle of a blighted, high crime area of LA. USC used to do "outreach" to the neighborhood, bringing local kids onto campus for programs and stuff, but that didn't stop the robberies and assaults, so they are just buying up the neighborhood, building out their footprint, and walling off.

Supposedly, USC has become very sensitive to sexual harassment and rape issues because they had such a problem with their football team. But they still have a very active fraternity culture (yep, those things do still exist), and since the student population is so transient it's a lesson that needs to be repeated every year. Maybe twice a year. And since campus security seems to be focused on campus- neighborhood crimes, not student-student crimes, maybe it needs to be to beaten into campus security's head very often too.



I find it interesting that this little factoid was left out of the story, is the rapists family big shots in Southern Cal? If the MSM is doing it's job they should check to see if any on Campus buildings are named after the rapists family. If the D.O.J. want to investigate something they should look into the Collage and their Police Force, unless they've been asked to stay out of it. There's a story someone in the MSM should look into, may get him or her a Pulizer. USC may be worse than the I.R.S scandal.

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Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:26 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


The rape problem is a common one on campuses across the country. It's traditionally been under-reported and under-addressed due to university/ college policies that 1) hide the problem (which doesn't allow young women to chose campuses on the basis of safety), 2) foster poor behavior standards for fraternities and sports-teams, 3) fail to come up with campus wide policies to address the problem and 4) fail to implement these policies and educate all parties on them.

I think the problem is worse for private colleges and universities. They depend on endowments and mommy and daddy sending their children to school to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars each year. USC tuition for 2 semesters is over $43,000 for example. If the private colleges and universities look like they're addressing a rape or harassment problem, the parents might be put off by the appearance of a less than ideal campus. If rapes are reported, the same thing could happen. I suspect it's far more lucrative to pretend it doesn't happen, and when it does happen, to sweep it under the rug as quickly and quietly as possible. Not just at USC, but elsewhere.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/05/yale-fined-for-underreporting-campus-r
ape.html


Yale Fined for Underreporting Campus Rape

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/01/18/1468911/unc-sexual-assualt-
complaint/?mobile=nc


University Of North Carolina Allegedly Pressured Dean To Underreport Incidents Of Sexual Assault On Campus

http://www.wisconsinwatch.org/2010/02/28/report-campus-sexual-assaults
-underreported
/

Suffering in silence: Campus sexual assaults vastly underreported





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Saturday, July 27, 2013 7:57 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


The topic of the thread was how campus POLICE handled RAPE. As to all the diversions offered, "Was there rape? MMMmmm - no. Were minors involved? Not even close. So, what IS the issue, again?" As for rape in the military, it is already well covered, in numerous threads; the outcry against it and call for accountability BY THE MILITARY is loud, consistent and ongoing. It has nothing to do with rape on our campuses, which is a problem being handled differently on different campuses and, per this thread, very badly on some.

Everything else is just shit being thrown out for distraction by people who do that loudly, consistently and ongoing (ly) ;o).


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Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:40 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
The topic of the thread was how campus POLICE handled RAPE. As to all the diversions offered, "Was there rape? MMMmmm - no. Were minors involved? Not even close. So, what IS the issue, again?" As for rape in the military, it is already well covered, in numerous threads; the outcry against it and call for accountability BY THE MILITARY is loud, consistent and ongoing. It has nothing to do with rape on our campuses, which is a problem being handled differently on different campuses and, per this thread, very badly on some.

Everything else is just shit being thrown out for distraction by people who do that loudly, consistently and ongoing (ly) ;o).




Fine! But you will admit that someone and/or USC is doing something shady to keep this from becoming a major story. This is BIGGER than the Duram LaCross fraud.

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Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:48 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Just to be clear Whozit - this isn't about one rapist being protected by a wealthy and influential person on one campus. The USC story is about "dozens of sexual assault cases", but complaints have also been filed against, but not limited to, Occidental College, UC Berkeley, Dartmouth, Swarthmore and Yale.

There are a number of things that lead up to this. One is the general discounting of rape if the man asked the woman out and paid for dinner, if the woman had been drinking or was drunk, if the woman said no but didn't forcibly resist, etc.

When it comes to campus rape in particular, there are a series of incentives in place that put higher value on the institution's appearances and finances than on the safety of female students in relation to male students.

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Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:57 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Geez, does this guy even BOTHER with the news???

"Students Turn to Feds for Action on Alleged Rapes", http://abcnews.go.com/US/students-turn-feds-action-alleged-rapes/story
?id=19763938&.tsrc=sun?date=40540407


"USC Students Who Claim School Mishandles Rape Cases Say Feds Are Investigating", http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/07/20/usc-students-who-claim-schoo
l-mishandles-rape-cases-say-feds-are-investigating
/ (it's all over So. Ca. CBS news)

"Student Group: USC Mishandles Rape Reports ", http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52538602/ns/local_news-los_angeles_ca/t/stud
ent-group-usc-mishandles-rape-reports
/ (it's all over L.A. NBC stations, too)

Videos on Bing about it: http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=USC+student+claims+police+&qpv
t=USC+student+claims+police+&FORM=VDRE


It's a story that's been going on for days, and it's being covered...you really need to do more than sit in front of your TV with your nose buried in FauxNews. It's about rape and in L.A., so it's mostly being covered there. Neither rape nor local stories are national news-worthy most of the time. Get a grip! (or not)


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Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:00 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Kiki, we cross-posted. Regarding what you wrote, you're absolutely right, and there's this:
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Add USC to growing ‘Colleges Making Rapes Worse’ list

It’s as if colleges and universities across the country are competing to see who can handle sex crimes the most poorly.

Ask 21-year-old Ari Mostov, who says a fellow student raped her at the University of Southern California.

When the screenwriting major went to the campus authorities, she says they told her pursuing the case with the LAPD would mean “tough detectives” and name-calling in court. Plus, it’s not like Mostov “technically” was raped anyway because “he didn’t orgasm.” (Somewhere with someone I’ve lost a bet that Todd Akin’s “legitimate rape” comment couldn’t be topped.)

“The school did everything it could to dissuade me from talking about being raped and asking for help,” she told ABCNews.com.

Mostov says the university wouldn’t even move around her or her alleged rapist’s class schedules so that she wouldn’t have to see him everyday for an entire semester.

Another USC student, Tucker Reed, says she provided the university with evidence that she was raped, including a recording of her alleged attacker admitting to it. The investigation dragged on for six months. The school did not take disciplinary action against the alleged perpetrator.

“The process made me feel raped a second time.” That’s Reed speaking earlier this week during a protest against the university’s handling of reports of sexual assault on campus. Frustrated with the response by USC officials to their reports of sexual abuse, more than a dozen students went over their heads on May 22 and filed a complaint with the feds.

The U.S. Department of Education this week confirmed it has opened a Title IX sex discrimination investigation to determine whether USC violated the survivors’ civil rights.

Unfortunately, rape, the number-one violent crime on college campuses, is bigger than USC. One in four college women surveyed are victims of rape or attempted rape, according to 2008 Department of Justice data. Colleges with 6,000+ students average one rape per day in a school year.

Since the start of this year, students from the University of Colorado at Boulder, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Occidental College and Swarthmore College similarly have filed Title IX complaints.

For anyone else who feels keeping a running tally of the colleges under fire for not taking appropriate action against sexual assaults is becoming increasingly difficult, I’ve made a list:
?Amherst College
?*University of California, Berkeley
?*University of Colorado, Boulder
?Dartmouth College
?Georgetown University
?University of Montana
?*University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
?Notre Dame
?Occidental College
?Otterbein University
?Princeton University
?Swarthmore College
?*United States Naval Academy
?University of Virginia
?Wesleyan University
?*West Point
?William and Mary
?Yale University

*These universities were named among Forbes’ Best Public Colleges in 2013 and then promptly called out for botching reports of sexual assaults in Jezebel.

And those are just the most recent and highly publicized cases. After all, most college women who are raped (95 percent) never report to the police.

Now for the good news. More students are speaking out, informing their peers of their rights and organizing nationwide to improve the way their schools deal with sexual assaults.

And it’s working. Colleges and universities like Amherst, University of Montana, UNC, Occidental and Yale are beginning to address their rape problems by reviewing their procedures, talking with survivors and honestly reporting information. While these institutions’ actions more closely resemble a cleanup of a massive PR disaster than a concerted effort to protect their students from sexual assault, they are signs of progress.

If we want to truly change rape culture on college campuses, we need to begin with open, meaningful and, yes, at times painful dialogue at home, in school and in the media. Instead of picking apart hookup culture, consensual sex and young women’s “empowerment” or “degradation” by participating in it, let’s focus on consent and the encounters that lack it (say sexual assaults on campus, for example). Let’s talk about the 84 percent of college men who committed rape and then said what they did definitely was not rape. Let’s talk about what that says about relationships and the need for proper sexuality education.

That sexual assaults on college campuses are a national trend is bad.

But covering it up, blaming survivors and not learning what it says about where we are as a society is much worse. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2013/07/26/add-u
sc-to-growing-colleges-making-rapes-worse-list/



Thank you, Kiki, for returning the discussion to the point the original article was put up to make. I'm grateful.


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Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:08 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Geez, does this guy even BOTHER with the news???

"Students Turn to Feds for Action on Alleged Rapes", http://abcnews.go.com/US/students-turn-feds-action-alleged-rapes/story
?id=19763938&.tsrc=sun?date=40540407


"USC Students Who Claim School Mishandles Rape Cases Say Feds Are Investigating", http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/07/20/usc-students-who-claim-schoo
l-mishandles-rape-cases-say-feds-are-investigating
/ (it's all over So. Ca. CBS news)

"Student Group: USC Mishandles Rape Reports ", http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52538602/ns/local_news-los_angeles_ca/t/stud
ent-group-usc-mishandles-rape-reports
/ (it's all over L.A. NBC stations, too)

Videos on Bing about it: http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=USC+student+claims+police+&qpvt=US
C+student+claims+police+&FORM=VDRE


It's a story that's been going on for days, and it's being covered...you really need to do more than sit in front of your TV with your nose buried in FauxNews. It's about rape and in L.A., so it's mostly being covered there. Neither rape nor local stories are national news-worthy most of the time. Get a grip! (or not)




Been going on for days?! All the MSM has been reporting is Zimmerman and Barry's speech! Think I'm kidding?! Go to any news site. THIS is a major scandal and I haven't heard anything about it until now! I know you hate my guts but WHY isn't THIS all anything the MSM is reporting?!!

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Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:20 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Just to be clear Whozit - this isn't about one rapist being protected by a wealthy and influential person on one campus. The USC story is about "dozens of sexual assault cases", but complaints have also been filed against, but not limited to, Occidental College, UC Berkeley, Dartmouth, Swarthmore and Yale.

There are a number of things that lead up to this. One is the general discounting of rape if the man asked the woman out and paid for dinner, if the woman had been drinking or was drunk, if the woman said no but didn't forcibly resist, etc.

When it comes to campus rape in particular, there are a series of incentives in place that put higher value on the institution's appearances and finances than on the safety of female students in relation to male students.



Than you will admit that this is about several Collages using thier power to cover up rape? THIS is bigger than that loonatic coach at Rutgers who beat the crap out of his players, girls were RAPED and their rapist will walk away with a smile. WHERE'S THE MSM!!

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Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:45 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...




I think the zit is losing it, poor little man. He's shocked, SHOCKED I tell you!, that Zimmerman, etc., are all over the news (not to mention the new British monarch-to-be) and rape isn't getting attention. He doesn't understand how the media works, apparently. This surprises exactly who?


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Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:25 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"All the MSM has been reporting is Zimmerman and Barry's speech!"

Zimmerman? That's so last week. Keep up, dude!

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Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:44 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:


I think the zit is losing it, poor little man. He's shocked, SHOCKED I tell you!, that Zimmerman, etc., are all over the news (not to mention the new British monarch-to-be) and rape isn't getting attention. He doesn't understand how the media works, apparently. This surprises exactly who?




I wanted to be on your side for once, now I'm walking away. I'm sure MSNBC is going to drop everything to cover this. Bye.

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Saturday, July 27, 2013 12:20 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor
Clinton can prey on young interns....meh. Wiener sexting girls 1/2 his age...
No biggie. Private, personal matter between him and his wife. No NOW-gang outrage there.



Monica Lewinsky was 21. She was definitely 'of age' in any state, and no force was involved.




So ? Who ever claimed there was ?

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As for Weiner, these are the ages of the women he sexted with:
Gennette Cordova 21, Meagan Broussard 26, Ginger Lee 28, Traci Nobles 35, Lisa Weiss 42. Since Weiner is around 48 years old, that would make women half his age 24 - not exactly young girls. Weiner is a putz, but sexting between adults is legal. If you're going to criticize him at least get some facts on board.



Seriously? That's what you're going with?

Sexting girls 1/2 his age ? Factual.
Sexting girls not his wife, or mother of his child ? Factual.
Sexting with girls AFTER he was caught, left office, and CLAIMED he was seeking help for his " problem " ? Factual.

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Oh, and what should the 'NOW-gang' be outraged about? Was there rape? MMMmmm - no. Were minors involved? Not even close. So, what IS the issue, again?



For objectifying women ? For trying to control women ? For humilitating his wife, and thinking so little of his vows to her or his role as a FATHER ? This is so fucking incredible... the Left vilified Romeny for ' binders full of women ', which wasn't the LEAST bit derogatory, yet Weiner treats women like sex objects, and the Left looks the other way.

Oh, and lets not forget the histrionics of all this, how Weiner flat out LIED HIS ASS over, multiple times, to try to squirm out of all this , from the start...

Claimed it wasn't him. Claimed his privacy had been violated, and that his account had been 'hacked'. Defiantly spoke out against anyone who tried to impugn his " reputation " with lies that he'd done anything wrong.

More tweets come out. He has no choice but to admit it was him, he did it, and it wasn't some " accident ". He resigns. Claims he's going to seek help, and put this behind him.

A full year AFTER he resigns, he's STILL SEXTING ! Even after the " help " he got, which was nothing more than 3 days of evaluation. There was no rehab. No facing of demons. It was all a complete and total sham!

And the kicker was...Huma was IN ON IT ALL ! She knew he wasn't 'fixed' in the least, when they decided to do a magazine photo op / interview. It was 100% all for show, nothing else. She, just like her mentor Hillary, wants nothing less but to hitch herself to the coat tails of a MAN. Not earn a damn thing on her own, no. She wants to stand by her man, stay home, back cookies,and reap the benefits of being first lady of the city of New York.

How frelling pathetic.

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Saturday, July 27, 2013 4:37 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


If you want to rant and rave about Weiner, Rap, why not start your own thread; that is not what this thread is about. I'm gratified to see you agree with so many of us Democrats that Weiner is a...weaner, and would be happy to join you in expressing my own disgust at so many aspects of him and his actions, but, again, that's not what this thread is about. Can you grasp that?


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Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:22 AM

AURAPTOR

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All I did was reply to the " so what? " attitude on display here.

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Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:38 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Different issues entirely

Don't threadjack stick to topic

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Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:52 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Different issues entirely

Don't threadjack stick to topic



Bush got grilled for Abu Ghraib. Obama's rapie military? Meh. Yawn.

Just pointing out the double standard.


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Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:58 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Bullshit, and everyone knows it. You haven't anything relevant to say, all you ever do is snark...and you wonder why everyone mocks you!

So desperate to be noticed and so little life that he's just GOT to respond to every post...but nothing to say, so he just shows how pathetic he is.


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Sunday, July 28, 2013 7:21 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Rappy, if you want to start a discussion about the left's (or leftist women's) presumed double standard on the role and treatment of women, please start another thread. It's a big topic. Not only that, but there is an essential conflict between allowing consensual activities between adults versus the objectification of women, when the consensual activity DOES objectify women. It's a little like the conflict between freedom to wear whatever you want, and then women choosing to wear the burka.

However, in libertarian-land I suppose objectification of women becomes "not a problem" as long as money changes hands, so if a woman is PAID to be demeaned, then it's all right, I suppose. So, as you can see, there is a lot of room for discussion... not that you would ever stray from your constant partisan sniping long enough to actually think about the issues in a larger context. But, surprise us!

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Sunday, July 28, 2013 7:42 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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not that you would ever stray from your constant partisan sniping long enough to actually think about the issues in a larger contest.


I'm not holding my breath awaiting any surprises; Rap consistently shows, just like Zit, that he's not here for any DISCUSSION of issues, he's only here TO snipe in hopes of poking people enough to get a reaction, which will let him snipe again, and, and, and...

I agree there's a discussion to be had. But as you can see, I even put up a thread quoting him to discuss the "Weiner" issue with which he threadjacked, and instead he changed his threadjack from Weiner to rape in the military. He has no interest in actual discussion, and you know that full well, as do we all.


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Sunday, July 28, 2013 8:23 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I could prolly discuss this from his presumed viewpoint better than HE can. So can you, and just about everybody else. I'm just pointing out the obvious. /threadjack

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Sunday, July 28, 2013 8:47 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Thanks Sig. My keyboard is just about buggered, so the posts are getting harder,

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Sunday, July 28, 2013 9:51 AM

REAVERFAN


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Originally posted by Niki2:



Not sure what you mean. It's a disgrace that our military is being called out for being totally ineffective in stopping sexual assault? That they insist the status quo of the military handling it is okay, when obviously it's not? Please clarify.


I was referring to the general lack of accountability in our institutions. The numbers indicate a serious problem, but no one wants to take responsibility.

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Sunday, July 28, 2013 11:41 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ah, thank you for clarifying. I agree 100%.


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Monday, July 29, 2013 1:56 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Bullshit, and everyone knows it. You haven't anything relevant to say, all you ever do is snark...and you wonder why everyone mocks you!

So desperate to be noticed and so little life that he's just GOT to respond to every post...but nothing to say, so he just shows how pathetic he is.




Niki <== not handling the truth.

Sig - want a surprise ? We agree , on several points.

( Hope you were sitting down )

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Monday, July 29, 2013 5:12 AM

GEEZER

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Originally posted by Niki2:
For anyone else who feels keeping a running tally of the colleges under fire for not taking appropriate action against sexual assaults is becoming increasingly difficult, I’ve made a list:
Amherst College
University of California, Berkeley
University of Colorado, Boulder
Dartmouth College
Georgetown University
University of Montana
University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Notre Dame
Occidental College
Otterbein University
Princeton University
Swarthmore College
United States Naval Academy
University of Virginia
Wesleyan University
West Point
William and Mary
Yale University



Interesting to note that this problem cuts across what are considered both liberal and conservative institutions. Seems that school administrations of all stripes would rather fail to support their students who've been assaulted than face possible embarrasment for having assaults occur on their campus.


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Monday, July 29, 2013 6:29 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


This surprises you? If so, I'm surprised...


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Tuesday, July 30, 2013 5:06 AM

GEEZER

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Originally posted by Niki2:
This surprises you? If so, I'm surprised...



No surprise. Just interesting that schools that supposedly support liberal views on equality and womens' rights and schools known as conservative jock/party places both have administrations that instinctively react to sexual assault by duck and covering. You'd think the liberal schools would at least be up front about facing and dealing with the problem.


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Tuesday, July 30, 2013 6:01 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yes, I realized your remarks were intended as a put-down of the left and nothing more, but I choose to answer reasonably.

They're administrations...as in "bureaucracies", as in "exist to cover our own ass". And however "liberal" a school may be, it's still got a helluva jock mentality. This mentality that minimizes rape is prevalent throughout our culture, and others; to have such special expectations of more "liberal" establishments is silly. Some mentalities take a very, very long time to change; some almost never do. And the mentality toward women has been going on for centuries in most of the world.

What you're saying is kind of like "Why do extremely religious people think and behave in such un-Christian ways? Just interesting that people who follow a religion that supposedly supports charity and love of fellow man...", etc. Choosing to persist in thinking in such stereotypical terms, does you no favors.

California is supposedly ultra-liberal, San Diego is a pretty liberal area, and they've got Filner. The rape culture in America crosses all lines, and the resistance to dealing with things that have never been properly dealt with is always strong.


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