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Mitt Romney to GOP: Don't shut down government to kill Obamacare

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Wednesday, August 7, 2013 3:27 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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At a fundraiser in swing-state New Hampshire, Mitt Romney urges Republicans to rally behind 'electable' candidates for 2016 and not to risk a government shutdown to stop Obamacare.

Mitt Romney leaped into the deep waters of debate over the future course of Republican Party policy Tuesday night in a speech near the shores of New Hampshire's Lake Winnipesaukee where the former GOP presidential candidate has a vacation home.

Mr. Romney, who described himself as a “severe conservative” during the 2012 campaign, appeared to side with the pragmatic wing of his party with most of his remarks, made at a political fundraiser for the New Hampshire Republican Party. In particular, he warned against shutting down the government in an attempt to strip funds from the Affordable Care Act, known informally as “Obamacare."

“I badly want Obamacare to go away, and stripping it of funds has appeal. But we need to exercise great care about any talk of shutting down government,” Romney said. “What would come next when soldiers aren’t paid, when seniors fear for their Medicare and Social Security, and when the FBI is off duty?”

What would come next, in Romney’s eyes, is a predictable political failure: Voters would revolt, Obamacare would get its money after all, and Republicans would be hurt at the polls, as Washington conventional wisdom holds they were following the 28-day government shutdown of 1995 and '96.

Romney also urged Republicans to rally behind electable candidates, not those who appeal to the party base but frighten moderates. He didn’t name any names here – he did not, for instance, mutter “Sen. Ted Cruz” under his breath. And he did acknowledge that this advice might be ironic coming from someone who billed himself as the electable choice, only to be proven wrong at the polls.

“My guess is that every one of the [2016 GOP presidential] contenders would be better than whoever the Democrats put up,” Romney said. “But there will only be one or perhaps two who actually could win the election in November.”

Conservative GOP leaders and tea party activists were dismissive of Romney’s advice, saying in essence that the speech revealed him as the squish they had suspected all along.

“Romney did not want to fight to repeal Obamacare while he was on the campaign so it is no surprise he would not fight now,” Tea Party Patriots co-founder Jenny Beth Martin told the conservative Breitbart News.

“The last person the conservative movement should turn to for winning advice is Mitt Romney,” added For America chairman Brent Bozell, according to Breitbart.

So what’s going on here? Why did Romney feel it necessary to offer remarks he must have known would inflame some in his own party?

Well, for one thing, consider the venue: The Granite State is pretty flinty, but it’s not deep red. As polling guru Nate Silver has pointed out, it’s one of the most “elastic” of US swing states, meaning it’s possible to persuade large numbers of voters to actually change minds and vote for either party. (Non-elastic swing states are just evenly balanced between Democrats and Republicans, with victory hinging on turnout and party enthusiasm.)

In that context, the Mittster was saying stuff tailored to appeal to his actual physical audience. The relatively moderate New Hampshire GOP is unlikely to support brinkmanship in Washington.

In essence, he was also siding with the wing of the party that pushed him to the nomination. He was always the establishment candidate, backed by lists of governors and elected Republicans in Washington. The party leadership in D.C. remains nervous about the defund Obamacare strategy. It’s nonleadership figures such as Senator Cruz of Texas and Sen. Mike Lee of Utah who are calling for the ACA fight.

If he’s going to maintain a role in party politics, as he’s said he’d like to do, it’s unlikely to involve his evolution into a tea party maverick.

Finally, here’s the wild theory: He doesn’t mean it. He believes the threat of government shutdown to end Obamacare might work. But he knows he is now so widely discounted in Republican circles that few will heed his advice. So he’s employing reverse psychology.

“Are we at the point where Romney should tell the GOP the opposite of what he really wants it to do? Might be more effective that way,” tweeted Washington Post political reporter Aaron Blake on Wednesday. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2013/0807/Mitt-Ro
mney-to-GOP-Don-t-shut-down-government-to-kill-Obamacare


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Thursday, August 8, 2013 1:25 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



He lost ( possibly on purpose ).

Sorry Mitt, you and Maverick don't get to have a say now. No one cares.

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Thursday, August 8, 2013 5:35 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


The only problem for you guys is that nobody caring means your party goes right on ignoring the sensible among you who call for sanity, your party goes on being run by obstructionist Tea Partiers, the public has an even worse opinion of you, you nominate more un-electable candidates, and you will lose more elections. I guess that makes you happy, but it's irresponsible as hell.


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Thursday, August 8, 2013 6:05 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Dole, McCain , Romney... all are Dem lite candidates. THAT is why they lost. The GOP have NO plans to shut down anything. Every area if the govt will be funded, save for the disaster that is o care.

Romney knows this , yet insists in towing the old guard line. ( Set by the inside DC world )

I wholly reject his view on this matter.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Thursday, August 8, 2013 6:24 AM

STORYMARK


As you do with every dose of reality that doesn't suit your ideology.

Lost on purpose... Of course you'd buy that bullshit. Hilarious. This time last year, you were predicting a double digit landslide. HA! The shifting quagmire or weak rationalizations that make up your psyche is amazing in its moronic intractability.




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Thursday, August 8, 2013 8:01 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hey, Mark, he knew all along Romney lost intentionally:
Quote:

Raptor, 8/14/12 : "Romney and Ryan will win. Period. Time for you to wake up to that fact." http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=5275]


Well, maybe Rap didn't know THEN, but it's much more comfortable to "know" that NOW. Rap is only capable of regurgitating the (most recent) screed he hears/watches/reads from the rightest-of-the-right, thinking for himself is too complicated and too difficult. That's the only conceivable explanation for how he posts what he does.

"The GOP have NO plans to shut down anything." Why is he denying they've threatened to do just that?:
Quote:

GOP Threatens Shutdown Over 'Obamacare'

Republicans urge McConnell to support them in move to stop health care law

A group of Senate Republicans is pushing ahead with a plan to block any continuing resolution to keep the government running if it includes funding for the Affordable Care Act, the president's health care legislation.

The plan is supported by 12 lawmakers, including 2016 presidential hopefuls Marco Rubio, R-Fla., and Ted Cruz, R-Texas, who joined conservative standard bearers Jim Inhofe, R-Okla., and John Thune, R-S.D., who wrote a letter warning Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., they will block any stop-gap funding measure that keeps taxpayer dollars flowing to "Obamacare." http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/07/25/republicans-threaten-go
vernment-shutdown-over-obamacare-funding
]


Are FauxNews, Breitbart, etc., not telling their people about it? It's been news everywhere else, and for good reason. The American people will be the ones who suffer. Maybe Rap needs some links to the story, if he's not been told about it by his "sources":

"Republicans threaten to shut down government", http://www.kvue.com/news/Republicans-threaten-to-shut-down-government-
-217907271.html


"Republicans threaten to shut down federal government if funding includes money for Obamacare", http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/2013/08/republicans-threaten-shut-
down-federal-government-if-funding-includes-money-obamacar


"Republican lawmakers threaten to shut down government if Obamacare is not blocked", http://gatehouse.morecontentnow.com/archive/x1905496207/Desperate-Repu
blican-lawmakers-threaten-to-shut-down-government-if-Obamacare-is-not-blocked#ixzz2bOwL9tsc


There are, of course, myriad stories everywhere about responsible Republicans saying it's insane, don't do it, etc., etc., which he's also probably missed, but maybe the above will at least bring him up to speed.


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Thursday, August 8, 2013 11:51 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Niki - Headlines by the extreme, hard core Left wing MSM don't impress me.


Also, per Mitt, anyone who watched how he sand bagged debates 2 and 3, after beating the living HELL out of Obama in debate 1, can't come to any other conclusion that he threw the election. ( Yeah, a bit of hyperbole, but still, he effed up, royally. )

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Thursday, August 8, 2013 12:37 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Also, per Mitt, anyone who watched how he sand bagged debates 2 and 3, after beating the living HELL out of Obama in debate 1, can't come to any other conclusion that he threw the election. ( Yeah, a bit of hyperbole, but still, he effed up, royally. )



Suuuuure. Keep telling yourself that if it takes the sting away. Such a child.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

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Thursday, August 8, 2013 12:50 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Also, per Mitt, anyone who watched how he sand bagged debates 2 and 3, after beating the living HELL out of Obama in debate 1, can't come to any other conclusion that he threw the election. ( Yeah, a bit of hyperbole, but still, he effed up, royally. )



Suuuuure. Keep telling yourself that if it takes the sting away. Such a child.



I JUST said it. It seems you're incapable of comprehending much of anything.

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Thursday, August 8, 2013 1:08 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Also, per Mitt, anyone who watched how he sand bagged debates 2 and 3, after beating the living HELL out of Obama in debate 1, can't come to any other conclusion that he threw the election. ( Yeah, a bit of hyperbole, but still, he effed up, royally. )



Suuuuure. Keep telling yourself that if it takes the sting away. Such a child.



I JUST said it. It seems you're incapable of comprehending much of anything.



.....really? Did you actually just type that?

No shit, idiot. That's why I quoted it.

Are you really so stupid that you don't grasp that "keep" in that context means to *continue doing what you've already been doing*?

Holy shit. Im honestly amazed, you actually just surprised me with that one, your question was so fucking stupid. I am seriously, no-kidding, gobsmacked that you actually wrote that. Impressive. I thought you'd hit rock bottom on that scale years ago.

You actually, really, in this life, on this planet... thought I didn't get that you believe Mitt took a dive? REALLY - That's what Im fucking mocking, you nitwit.

Not even indulging in hyperbole here, you *genuinely* surprised me.

Damn.




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"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

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Thursday, August 8, 2013 1:11 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Bless your heart.

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Thursday, August 8, 2013 1:27 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


We should lay off Rap today, he seems to be having even more difficulty with the English language and rational thinking than normal.

Amazing how he's twisted Romney's entire campaign into something he needs to believe, but I guess when you live in a world filled with fear and hatred more than anything else, it can be pretty scary, and whatever you can convince yourself of to get through the day is worth the convolutions.

Oh, wait, now US NEWS is "extreme, hard core Left wing MSM"?!? For heaven's sake, what ISN'T "extreme, hard core Left wing MSM" in his eyes...only Breitbart and FauxNews?? KVUE is a Texas news station, CelebrityCafe is "news light", mostly about celebrities, and Gatehouse is part of Gatehouse News Service, just a news service. I didn't see any content on any of them that showed a bias, and I LOOK, just to avoid the kind of bullshit accusations Rap throws around. I avoid Huffpost, MSNBC, etc., etc., specifically and rarely quote them.

So in other words, despite the stories being valid reporting, naming NAMES of specific Republican Senators and Congressmen who have written letters and stated flatly that they will not vote to fund the government unless Obamacare is defunded, it doesn't exist unless it's on a news site acceptable to Rap... wow.

Yeah, we should let him be...he needs medication, or at least some quiet time. He's completely lost it now.


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Thursday, August 8, 2013 1:39 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Let's see...Forbes?
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Last week, Utah Sen. Mike Lee (R.) sent a letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.), “informing Senator Reid that we will not vote for a continuing resolution that funds Obamacare,” risking a government shutdown if Lee’s objectives are not achieved. While eleven other Senate Republicans have signed on to Lee’s letter, other Republicans are denouncing the move in surprisingly direct language. “It’s not an achievable strategy…and it’s dishonest,” said Sen. Tom Coburn (R., Okla.). “It’s the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard of,” added Sen. Richard Burr (R., N.C.). It’s worth understanding why conservatives like Lee are advocating this strategy, and why others are opposing him. http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/07/29/gop-divides-on-wh
ether-to-shut-down-the-government-over-obamacare-funding/
]


Fiscal Times?
Quote:

13 Republicans Call for Government Shutdown

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and 12 other Republican Senators are ramping up the pressure on Minority Leader Mitch McConnell(R-KY) to use the threat of a government shutdown this fall to defund Obamacare.

But not everyone in the party thinks it’s a good idea. Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC) said this particular game of chicken is “the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard of.” McConnell told reporters last month that he’s still undecided.

Meanwhile, while away on recess, the 13 GOP senators are spending time at home organizing a grassroots “army” to influence Republican leadership into blocking any stopgap spending measure funding the government beyond Sept 30. http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Blogs/Debt-and-Taxes/2013/08/07/13-Repub
licans-Call-for-Government-Shut-Down.aspx#TgUOq5Qepg47bw6C.99
]


CNN??
Quote:

GOP lawmakers split on threat to shut down government over Obamacare

Several conservative senators - including Marco Rubio of Florida, Ted Cruz of Texas and Rand Paul of Kentucky - have given voice to the threat of a government shutdown. And a bloc of about 71 House Republicans say they will refuse to vote for a measure that funds the government if it continues to fund the Affordable Care Act. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/08/04/gop-lawmakers-split-ov
er-threatening-to-shut-down-government-over-obamacare/



Truly sad...Is it at the point where anything but the few right-wing sources Rap acknowledges MUST be "extreme, hard core Left wing MSM"? I guess it's a new way of making discussion impossible...works for him...?


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Thursday, August 8, 2013 2:05 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
We should lay off Rap today, he seems to be having even more difficulty with the English language and rational thinking than normal.

Amazing how he's twisted Romney's entire campaign into something he needs to believe, but I guess when you live in a world filled with fear and hatred more than anything else, it can be pretty scary, and whatever you can convince yourself of to get through the day is worth the convolutions.

Oh, wait, now US NEWS is "extreme, hard core Left wing MSM"?!? For heaven's sake, what ISN'T "extreme, hard core Left wing MSM" in his eyes...only Breitbart and FauxNews?? KVUE is a Texas news station, CelebrityCafe is "news light", mostly about celebrities, and Gatehouse is part of Gatehouse News Service, just a news service. I didn't see any content on any of them that showed a bias, and I LOOK, just to avoid the kind of bullshit accusations Rap throws around. I avoid Huffpost, MSNBC, etc., etc., specifically and rarely quote them.

So in other words, despite the stories being valid reporting, naming NAMES of specific Republican Senators and Congressmen who have written letters and stated flatly that they will not vote to fund the government unless Obamacare is defunded, it doesn't exist unless it's on a news site acceptable to Rap... wow.

Yeah, we should let him be...he needs medication, or at least some quiet time. He's completely lost it now.




Oh, he lost it years ago. He just continues to find new depths to sink to.

It would almost be impressive, if it weren't so pathetic.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

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Thursday, August 8, 2013 2:15 PM

NIKI2

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Impressively pathetic.


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Thursday, August 8, 2013 2:28 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:

Impressively pathetic.




Your inability to come up w/ a single example to back up your claim that I said I *HATE* Islam ?

Yeah. pathetic is right.

And it seems you don't understand how the news gets reported, Niki. A few folks write the news, and then that gets picked up by papers and other news outfits across the nation / world. Just because one outfit CARRIES a Reuters or AP news story, doesn't mean they ALL wrote it, genius.

The narrative " the GOP threatens to close down the govt " gets put into a headline, and just about everyone else blindly goes w/ it. Even when the headline is flat out false, it gets reported as " the news ", and sheeple, such as yourself, point to the headlines and bleat out " SEE! SEE! ".

You folks are so gorram gullible.

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Thursday, August 8, 2013 2:52 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Impressively pathetic.




Yes, that is a better way to put it. He is impressively pathetic. Good call.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, August 8, 2013 2:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


The narrative " the GOP threatens to close down the govt " gets put into a headline, and just about everyone else blindly goes w/ it. Even when the headline is flat out false, it gets reported as " the news ", and sheeple, such as yourself, point to the headlines and bleat out " SEE! SEE! ".




Aw, look at him pretend that there are no specifics. But then, I think we all know he didn't actually read any of the articles, and is only responding to the headline. Deliberately limiting what he sees, so he can claim it isn't there.

Impressive, indeed.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, August 9, 2013 2:10 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Aw, look at him pretend that there are no specifics. But then, I think we all know he didn't actually read any of the articles,



To be fair those articles do have a lots of words for little Rappy to try and understand. Perhaps a picture book would be more his speed.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, August 9, 2013 2:33 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Why are you attempting to mock others for what you alone are guilty of ?

Ahhh yes. Classic deflection. A tried and true Lefty tactic.

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Friday, August 9, 2013 2:50 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Why are you attempting to mock others for what you alone are guilty of ?

Ahhh yes. Classic deflection. A tried and true Lefty tactic.



You say that I'm quilty of what I mocked you about and than try and claim I'm deflecting.

That is funny because it is shit-the-bed stupid.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, August 9, 2013 3:25 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Truly, I am impressed. He obviously isn't willing to read the articles (might burn his eyes?) to see the names of Senators and Congressmen who have made the statements, or to know they even put their words on PAPER, in a letter, stating their position, or any of that. Impressive. I guess as long as he doesn't read it, he can claim someone's "reporting" something but it doesn't matter.

That one's ALMOST worth saving; in essence, Rap, you are saying that those reports are all false, that Sen. Mike Lee did not write a letter to Harry Reid stating that unless the ACA is defunded, "WE will not vote", that Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Jim Inhofe, John Thune and 8 others did NOT write a letter to Reid stating they "will block any stop-gap funding measure" that funds the ACA, and that all the news reports are lies, correct? It would help if you could tell us precisely WHICH sources are acceptable as "real news" for future reference...we know some of them, of course, but if those are the ONLY ones, then all we CAN do is mock you, you'll choose not to believe anything the news reports from anywhere else.

I wonder why all those Republicans are warning the GOP that they shouldn't shut down the government, if what you believe is true...that would just give credence to the "lies", or, oh, wait, are you saying all those Republicans falsely believe these guys wrote letters and said what they're reported as having said? Wow...

What's truly astonishing is you constantly snarking at me that I can't handle "the truth".

Oh, wait, let me back up. What's really going on is you're just GOADING Nick and I into responding, so you keep getting an excuse to snark at us. Damn, I KEEP forgetting I'm not talking to a regular human who actually has some intention of communicating...gotta do something about that...


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