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Texas can’t afford paved roads, replaces them with gravel
Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:11 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:The new oil boom in Texas has come at a steep price. Heavy trucks and industrial equipment have destroyed miles of roads. Texas’ failure to collect taxes, fueled by anti-taxation rhetoric given out by corporatist puppetmasters. To resolve this issue, the state of Texas has decided to eliminate paved roads over 80 miles of state highway. This will reduce the top speed of these roads down to 30 miles per hour, along with increased wear and tear on vehicles. Texas automobile owners, already having one of the highest costs for auto insurance in the nation, will now be facing rate increases over and above the 13% increase they faced last year alone. . We can thank Rick Perry’s push for deregulation for much of these increased costs, as cutting corners pays off in the short term, but harms the companies long-term profits. While it may sound like a smart solution, the truth is the construction of a gravel road is something which takes a lot more work overall. Instead of a one-time paving effort with routine maintenance, gravel roads require almost constant attention, and fall apart quickly if not maintained:Quote:Representatives for the state’s transportation department told the Texas Tribune that construction would begin Monday on a project that involves tearing up over 80 miles of asphalt that has been severely damaged over the years due to heavy traffic brought on by even heavier machinery. An oil boom has caused an energy industry to emerge near the state’s southwest border with Mexico, but that extra business has also brought extra traffic. Now local roads ravaged by oil-industry trucks are far too damaged to be repaired by what resources the state has, and the solution officials saw as the most affordable involves serious downgrades. "Since paving roads is too expensive and there is not enough funding to repave them all, our only other option to make them safer is to turn them into gravel roads," Texas Department of Transportation spokesman David Glessner told the Tribune. TxDOT Deputy John Barton announced last month that the state agency was moving forward with the plan after efforts to secure upwards of an extra $1 billion in annual funding for repairs went unanswered. Earlier this year the department asked for $4 billion in additional funding just to maintain roads in their current condition and another $1.6 billion to address the damage brought on by the energy sector. State legislators responded by approving $450 million towards repairing county and state-owned roads effected by the oil biz. TxDOT said it needs more than double that sum on an annual basis just to maintain and repair the roads consistently damaged by oil-industry trucks. Additionally, those new roads won’t be able to accommodate high-speed travel and will require truck drivers to slow down their pace drastically. “Instead of whipping in at 70 miles per hour, they’ll have to move in there at 30 miles per hour,” Barton told the commission, according to the Star-Telegram. But though the state commission entertained TxDOT’s plan before putting it into place this week, local lawmakers in the areas being affected say those calling the shots neglected to confer with community members before agreeing to dig up their roads. State Sen. Carlos Uresti (D-San Antonio) said in a statement that the agency “imposed a unilateral solution on these communities with no notice, no opportunity to seek alternative solutions, and no clear understanding of what to expect in the future.” Dimmit County, a district represented in part by Sen. Uresti, will see over 30 miles of farm-to-market roads reduced to gravel, Ian Floyd reported for the Tribune. http://rt.com/usa/texas-gravel-asphalt-txdot-748/
Quote:Representatives for the state’s transportation department told the Texas Tribune that construction would begin Monday on a project that involves tearing up over 80 miles of asphalt that has been severely damaged over the years due to heavy traffic brought on by even heavier machinery. An oil boom has caused an energy industry to emerge near the state’s southwest border with Mexico, but that extra business has also brought extra traffic. Now local roads ravaged by oil-industry trucks are far too damaged to be repaired by what resources the state has, and the solution officials saw as the most affordable involves serious downgrades. "Since paving roads is too expensive and there is not enough funding to repave them all, our only other option to make them safer is to turn them into gravel roads," Texas Department of Transportation spokesman David Glessner told the Tribune. TxDOT Deputy John Barton announced last month that the state agency was moving forward with the plan after efforts to secure upwards of an extra $1 billion in annual funding for repairs went unanswered. Earlier this year the department asked for $4 billion in additional funding just to maintain roads in their current condition and another $1.6 billion to address the damage brought on by the energy sector. State legislators responded by approving $450 million towards repairing county and state-owned roads effected by the oil biz. TxDOT said it needs more than double that sum on an annual basis just to maintain and repair the roads consistently damaged by oil-industry trucks. Additionally, those new roads won’t be able to accommodate high-speed travel and will require truck drivers to slow down their pace drastically. “Instead of whipping in at 70 miles per hour, they’ll have to move in there at 30 miles per hour,” Barton told the commission, according to the Star-Telegram. But though the state commission entertained TxDOT’s plan before putting it into place this week, local lawmakers in the areas being affected say those calling the shots neglected to confer with community members before agreeing to dig up their roads. State Sen. Carlos Uresti (D-San Antonio) said in a statement that the agency “imposed a unilateral solution on these communities with no notice, no opportunity to seek alternative solutions, and no clear understanding of what to expect in the future.” Dimmit County, a district represented in part by Sen. Uresti, will see over 30 miles of farm-to-market roads reduced to gravel, Ian Floyd reported for the Tribune. http://rt.com/usa/texas-gravel-asphalt-txdot-748/
Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:46 AM
MAL4PREZ
Wednesday, August 21, 2013 10:46 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:07 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:26 AM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Asphalt is made from what ?
Wednesday, August 21, 2013 12:29 PM
WHOZIT
Wednesday, August 21, 2013 12:43 PM
Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:06 PM
Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:14 PM
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:16 PM
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Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:51 PM
Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:53 PM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Asphalt is made from what ? Oil. The Left should be PRAISING Texas for its green awareness.
Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:27 PM
Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:07 PM
Quote:Most of us have heard the phrase “Where the rubber meets the road.” In recent years, increasing amounts of crumb rubber from recycled tires have been added into the road in the form of thin rubber modified hot mix asphalt (HMA) surface courses or rubber modified spray applications used as pavement interlayers or surface treatments. Several states and local agencies are now using rubber modified pavement systems as a significant part of their pavement preservation strategy. California actually has a legislated mandate calling for the use of increasing amounts of reclaimed rubber in pavements over future years. This trend has resulted in rubber modified products that have performed well in reducing crack reflection, improving wet weather safety, and reducing pavement noise. It has also helped solve the very serious problem of waste tire disposal
Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by MAL4PREZ: LOL! Did I call it or what?
Quote: And what does the petroleum content of pavement have to do with hating on Texas? Sheesh! RapClarity there.
Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:09 AM
Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:28 PM
Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:45 PM
Quote:Energy boom brings wear and tear to area's county, state roads Trucks hauling tons of oil drilling equipment, water tankers and other industrial rigs are vital to the oil boom across West Texas, but can be too much for some area roads — especially unpaved ones. The heavy traffic has prompted counties like Gaines and Dawson to spend additional money to upgrade or repair county roads Doug Isaacs, road superintendent for Dawson County, said some of the nearly 950 miles of unpaved Dawson County roads have taken a beating or have been under-equipped to handle the extra demand. “Sometimes the big fracking trucks get stuck in the sand (on the unpaved roads),” he said. Nearly 1,200 loaded trucks are needed to bring just one gas well into production — the traffic equivalent to roughly 8 million cars, according to the Texas Department of Transportation’s Roads for Texas Energy Task Force. For example, Endeavor Energy has more than 4,800 wells in Dawson County, according to OGI mapping and data management services. http://lubbockonline.com/regional/2013-01-09/energy-boom-brings-wear-and-tear-areas-county-state-roads#.Uhafy4nn-DY
Friday, August 23, 2013 12:51 AM
Quote:Originally posted by STORYMARK: This is the kind of thread that illustrates how deeply entrenched rappy is. Its obvious that the Oil companies should be covering their own damages. But rather than admit that those on the left have a point, he embraces ideology and "the team" over common sense.
Friday, August 23, 2013 8:53 AM
Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:51 AM
Saturday, August 24, 2013 6:40 PM
SHINYGOODGUY
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Asphalt is made from what ? Oil. The Left should be PRAISING Texas for its green awareness. Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen Resident USA Freedom Fundie " AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
Saturday, August 24, 2013 6:42 PM
Quote:Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Asphalt is made from what ? Bituminous rock, concrete, mineral products, and even tires, some of it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asphalt_concrete http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubberized_asphalt Seriously, go read a book, LEARN something, hell EAT the damn thing, maybe learn by osmosis, or one could hope. Oh, and if you thought TexASS would bad, this little bit gives a whole new meaning to the words...(wait for it) ...Highway Robbery. http://news.sky.com/story/1124691/russian-man-arrested-for-stealing-entire-road -Frem
Saturday, August 24, 2013 6:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Asphalt - a sticky, black and highly viscous liquid or semi-solid form of petroleum . It may be found in natural deposits or may be a refined product; it is a substance classed as a pitch. Until the 20th century, the term asphaltum was also used Do you need to be told what PETROLEUM is too ?? Good grief. Asphalt concrete is a separate product, combining asphalt and other elements, like aggregate. Lucky for you stupid isn't painful. Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen Resident USA Freedom Fundie " AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
Saturday, August 24, 2013 6:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I was saying stop hating on TEXAS. You have confused what I said and interjected something I never did say. Of course i'm not gonna answer a question posed on a false premise from something which wasn't my point in the first place. Carry on. Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen Resident USA Freedom Fundie " AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by STORYMARK: This is the kind of thread that illustrates how deeply entrenched rappy is. Its obvious that the Oil companies should be covering their own damages. But rather than admit that those on the left have a point, he embraces ideology and "the team" over common sense. actually, I don't know that. The story has been spun and bought, hook, line and sinker. I don't know , for example, if these roads were solely chewed up by heavy oil company equipment, or suffered the normal wear and tear of use and the elements. I don't dismiss it, out of hand , either, but I'm not so blinded by hate and rage of " BIG OIL " to buy such claims at face value. It's called being skeptical. And if Texas needs to rethink how they deal w/ the oil companies, then that's for them to decide. I don't get the point of having a conniption fit over this matter. It's a Texas issue. Let them figure it out. Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen Resident USA Freedom Fundie " AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:19 PM
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