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"The danger in Republican climate denial"

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Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:55 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I found this a most excellent analysis regarding how Republicans are dealing with climate change:
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Republicans can’t be blamed for harboring skepticism, but we must realize that our strategy of blind blanket denial is developing into a political suicide pact. The Obama Admnistration’s plans to begin an aggressive national carbon reduction program without input from Congress highlights the growing political risks. We must find a smarter approach to this problem while we still have time.

The Earth’s climate is getting warmer ( http://www.economist.com/node/21533360) and our carbon emissions are a factor in that heating ( http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=three-quarters-of-cli
mate
). There is no credible scientific consensus that questions those two facts.

We must stop wheeling in crank “scientists” who deploy tactics borrowed from the tobacco industry ( http://www.desmogblog.com/climate-deniers-take-tobacco-smoke) to “debunk” the credible research on climate change. Once we accept those two undisputed realities there is an absolute wonderland of ambiguities waiting. That is the realm where real uncertainty lies ( http://climate.nasa.gov/nasa_role/science/) and where the policy response to climate change can still be shaped.

For example how much, exactly, of the Earth’s warming can be attributed to human activity ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_of_recent_climate_change#Attr
ibution_of_20th_century_climate_change
)? Perhaps most of it, but no precise figure can be agreed on. How much warmer will it get ( http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/jan/24/how-much-warmer-pla
net
)? and under what circumstances? Three researchers can give you five answers.

Let’s not forget the most troubling unanswered question: How much do we need to reduce our carbon output to achieve a specific decline in warming? No one can respond with confidence, let alone precision. Some scientists expect that regardless what action we take, it may take centuries ( http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20090126_climate.html) to mitigate the impact of human-influence on climate change.

So how do we address policy questions like whether to implement a carbon tax? Conservatives will lose the credibility required to even participate in that and other policy debates if we continue to tolerate the absurd notion that climate change is a hoax.

On a political level, Republicans must not confuse climate change with other science vs. belief issues. On this issue public opinion will eventually move in the direction of established facts regardless of how much distortion we generate.

We can give hedged answers on the age of the universe with little consequence. Denying the reality of evolution won’t cause anyone to lose their favorite beach house, or for that matter, their favorite island. Climate change, on the other hand, is becoming apparent enough to the average layman to affect their holiday plans. We cannot swim against this scientific tide much longer.

When public opinion comes into line with the established science, our denialist position will cost us our opportunity to participate in shaping policy. We are setting ourselves up for a sudden, catastrophic political collapse which could spread beyond this single issue.

Instead of chaining ourselves to denialism, conservatives could be promoting solid science, calming the alarmists, and shaping climate policies that harness the power of private enterprise and respect property rights. If Democrats are free to define the response to climate change purely in terms of energy austerity and central planning, the world will be poorer and we will suffer much more from the effects of warming.

Real solutions are much more likely to emerge from technology and markets than from centrally imposed want, but conservatives cannot participate in shaping these alternatives if the party allows itself to be defined politically by a pack of ridiculous cranks. Categorical climate denial might be the single greatest threat to the long term future of the conservative movement.

For the Republican Party in the U.S., denial is a river that is rapidly running dry. http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/just-enough-city/2
013/jun/27/danger-republican-climate-denial/#ixzz2dHTj0bL7



His suggestion?
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Ironically, conservatives are probably in the best position of anyone to shape sensible responses to this problem. America over the past decade scored a shocking, yet hardly noted achievement which hard-core climate activists in the 90’s would have thought nearly impossible. We slashed our carbon emissions by nearly 10 percent ( http://grist.org/climate-policy/u-s-leads-the-world-in-cutting-co2-emi
ssions-so-why-arent-we-talking-about-it
/).

These reductions are not primarily caused by the recession. The reasons for the drop are far more awkward for both sides of our political divide. The largest factor in the reduction of US greenhouse gas emissions has been an aggressive natural gas drilling campaign ( http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2012/08/29/will-fracking-help-o
r-hinder-the-fight-against-climate-change/#.UMTq6Hf9yGk
) sparked by fracking.

This shift toward natural gas will not be enough by itself ( http://www.climatecentral.org/news/report-can-us-carbon-emissions-keep
-falling-15058
) to achieve the kind of carbon reductions that are probably necessary over the long term, but it points to a reality forgotten in this debate. As in most cases, cautious conservative approaches to this problem will likely be more successful than heavy-handed central planning.



I disagree, but I think a COMBINATION of working with free enterprise and "central planning" (as he calls it), make a lot more sense than "blind blanket denial" and "generating distortion". Changing our use and sources of energy is extremely complicated, most of us understand that. I don't like fracking, for example, butm as is currently being debated, if it could be handled properly and be considered a BRIDGE rather than an end, it could be a worthwhile compromise.

Mostly, it's really refreshing to read someone I'm sure I would disagree with 99.999% of the time, who's nonetheless using his brains and recognizing reality. I'm sure those like Rap won't get past the first few sentences, but it would be great if they could read and understand what he's saying.

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Wednesday, August 28, 2013 7:11 AM

AURAPTOR

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Global temps stopped climbing 12 years ago?

( no time to read niki's cut/paste novella now , maybe later ).

Gotta love how the Left politicizes science, though.

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Thursday, August 29, 2013 12:19 PM

STORYMARK


Thankfully, there is a generational shift coming that will help with this, as the deniers are ageing out of relevance. The younger generations are thankfully more inclined to believe the science than the empty rhetoric of the idiot deniers.




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Friday, August 30, 2013 8:14 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Mostly, it's really refreshing to read someone I'm sure I would disagree with 99.999% of the time, who's nonetheless using his brains and recognizing reality.



Sorry, but reality isn't based on what Dems or Repubs do on climate change, but what China and India do. I'd be happy to see the U.S. emit less and conserve more, but it won't reduce overall greenhouse emissions that much. Until foplks understand this, they are the real deniers.


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Friday, August 30, 2013 10:29 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Mostly, it's really refreshing to read someone I'm sure I would disagree with 99.999% of the time, who's nonetheless using his brains and recognizing reality.



Sorry, but reality isn't based on what Dems or Repubs do on climate change, but what China and India do. I'd be happy to see the U.S. emit less and conserve more, but it won't reduce overall greenhouse emissions that much. Until foplks understand this, they are the real deniers.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."



I like how you've gone from "Its not true!" to "Well, nothing we can do, let the world burn!"

No one has denied the problem of China or India, but why let that stop you from claiming it, right?




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Friday, August 30, 2013 5:22 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
I like how you've gone from "Its not true!" to "Well, nothing we can do, let the world burn!"

No one has denied the problem of China or India, but why let that stop you from claiming it, right?



Well, actually gone from 'the data may not be right' to 'If the data's right, better get China and India on board with greenhouse gas emissions reductions, or else start preparing for climate change, since the U.S. can't do it by ourselves'.

As I've noted several times before, reducing greenhouse emissions, reducing energy use, and developing renewables are good things in themselves, and are worthy of development, but don't expect that alone to cure the problems, and don't blame the U.S. if it's not cured.

Like I say, if you have any evidence that global greenhouse gas emissions can be reduced while China and India are increasing emissions at their current rates, I'd be happy to see it.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Friday, August 30, 2013 7:46 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Thankfully, there is a generational shift coming that will help with this, as the deniers are ageing out of relevance. The younger generations are thankfully more inclined to believe the science than the empty rhetoric of the idiot deniers.




It's sad that you think a generation of brain washing will somehow make your fantasy come true.



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