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Governor Jerry Brown signs bill allowing nurses and midwives to perform abortions in California
Sunday, October 13, 2013 10:48 AM
JONGSSTRAW
Quote:California Governor Jerry Brown has signed two bills allowing non-physicians to perform abortions and reducing health standards for abortion facilities, saying the new laws “support the health and well-being of women.” California is the fifth state to allow or not explicitly ban the practice of non-physician abortion, joining Montana, New York, Oregon, and Vermont. The bill, A.B. 154, introduced by San Diego Democrat Toni Atkins, would authorize midwives, nurse practitioners, and physicians’ assistants to perform first-trimester suction aspiration abortions. A study conducted by Tracy Weitz, director of UC-San Francisco’s Advancing New Standards in Reproductive Health, found that abortions performed by non-physicians had twice the rate of complications as those performed by doctors. However, Dr. Weitz called the difference “clinically equivalent.” The new law, which originally passed the General Assembly in May, cleared the State Senate last month by a near-party line vote of 25-11. Lou Correa of Anaheim was the only Senate Democrat to vote against the bill. “The growing shortage of abortion providers creates a significant barrier for women,” said State Senator Hannah-Beth Jackson, D-Santa Barbara. The Guttmacher Institute has reported that in 2008 nearly one-third of all the nation's abortion providers, more than 500, worked in California. In pointed contrast to a growing trend across the nation of tightening health regulations on abortion, Governor Brown also signed a bill lowering standards for abortion facilities. A.B. 980 by Assemblymember Richard Pan, D- Sacramento, reverses health regulations intended to hold abortionists' offices to the same standards as other surgical facilities. Other states, such as Texas and Virginia, have been increasing office regulations after reading about the filthy conditions of abortion offices like Kermit Gosnell's and others across the nation. State Senator Mimi Walters, R-Irvine, objected that "lowering standards...does put women's health at risk."
Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:29 AM
MAL4PREZ
Sunday, October 13, 2013 4:18 PM
Sunday, October 13, 2013 6:55 PM
Monday, October 14, 2013 10:18 AM
AGENTROUKA
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Yep, pack up your coat hangers, vice grips, and folding tables and head off to California and open your own abortion mill. Guaranteed you'll make a killing.
Monday, October 14, 2013 11:13 AM
Monday, October 14, 2013 11:43 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Monday, October 14, 2013 11:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: He and his ilk want only back-street butchers performing abortions, people with actual medical knowledge can ONLY be the same.
Monday, October 14, 2013 12:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Yeah, a great deal of expertise to do the easy stuff, or assist on the complicated stuff. They're not qualified for ... surgery radiology anesthesia cardiology they can't prescribe drugs
Monday, October 14, 2013 12:13 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Monday, October 14, 2013 12:21 PM
Monday, October 14, 2013 3:16 PM
Monday, October 14, 2013 3:42 PM
Monday, October 14, 2013 3:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: I don't like clinics for abortions, even with a doctor and nurse there. It's not the same as a hospital. Abortions should only be performed at hospitals, period. Dr. Gosnell ran a Planned Parenthood-approved clinic too. That kind of systemic barbarity that went on for years could never have happened at a hospital.
Monday, October 14, 2013 4:09 PM
Monday, October 14, 2013 5:00 PM
Monday, October 14, 2013 6:03 PM
Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:26 AM
Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:54 PM
SHINYGOODGUY
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Quote:California Governor Jerry Brown has signed two bills allowing non-physicians to perform abortions and reducing health standards for abortion facilities, saying the new laws “support the health and well-being of women.” California is the fifth state to allow or not explicitly ban the practice of non-physician abortion, joining Montana, New York, Oregon, and Vermont. The bill, A.B. 154, introduced by San Diego Democrat Toni Atkins, would authorize midwives, nurse practitioners, and physicians’ assistants to perform first-trimester suction aspiration abortions. A study conducted by Tracy Weitz, director of UC-San Francisco’s Advancing New Standards in Reproductive Health, found that abortions performed by non-physicians had twice the rate of complications as those performed by doctors. However, Dr. Weitz called the difference “clinically equivalent.” The new law, which originally passed the General Assembly in May, cleared the State Senate last month by a near-party line vote of 25-11. Lou Correa of Anaheim was the only Senate Democrat to vote against the bill. “The growing shortage of abortion providers creates a significant barrier for women,” said State Senator Hannah-Beth Jackson, D-Santa Barbara. The Guttmacher Institute has reported that in 2008 nearly one-third of all the nation's abortion providers, more than 500, worked in California. In pointed contrast to a growing trend across the nation of tightening health regulations on abortion, Governor Brown also signed a bill lowering standards for abortion facilities. A.B. 980 by Assemblymember Richard Pan, D- Sacramento, reverses health regulations intended to hold abortionists' offices to the same standards as other surgical facilities. Other states, such as Texas and Virginia, have been increasing office regulations after reading about the filthy conditions of abortion offices like Kermit Gosnell's and others across the nation. State Senator Mimi Walters, R-Irvine, objected that "lowering standards...does put women's health at risk." http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/governor-jerry-brown-signs-bill-allowing-nurses-and-midwives-to-perform-abo NO hospital. NO doctor. Gee, what if there are COMPLICATIONS? Yanno, like those silly urgent medical complications that just seem to pop up unexpectedly as they did in the Little Philadelphia Abortion Shop of Horrors. Let the butchering begin!
Wednesday, October 16, 2013 1:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AgentRouka: You realize that not all abortions are performed in hospitals to begin with and if a doctor in his practice made a catastrophic mistake of the kind you describe, the women in question would likely need to travel the same distance? They're not setting up shop in some backyard, they're going to be doing this work, one would assume, in the same kind of environment other first-trimester abortions would be performed. The difference is in the academic degree of the medical professional doing the procedure, primarily, not the setting and expected standard of care. These are nurses who are specifically trained to perform these procedures, thus also trained to recognize and react to complications. What DO you think nurses and midwives do?
Wednesday, October 16, 2013 1:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by MAL4PREZ: Yeah, and I saw that thread you started about the danger of women being "allowed" to give birth in their own homes under the care of these same midwives as has been legal and regularly practiced for a long time by many who make that choice... Oh wait? You didn't start such a thread? You never once fretted and moaned about the danger of complications for women who choose to give birth on their own terms? Hmmm, I wonder why..... *---------------------------------------* The French Revolution would have never happened if Marie Antoinette had just given every peasant an iPhone.
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