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Moody’s Confirms: US Won’t Default

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Sunday, October 13, 2013 1:46 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Moody’s has confirmed that the federal government will not default on its debt obligations if Congress does not increase the statutory debt limit. Steven Hess, Moody’s principal U.S. sovereign credit analyst, said:

We believe the government would continue to pay interest and principal on its debt even in the event that the debt limit is not raised, leaving its creditworthiness intact. The debt limit restricts government expenditures to the amount of its incoming revenues; it does not prohibit the government from servicing its debt. There is no direct connection between the debt limit (actually the exhaustion of the Treasury’s extraordinary measures to raise funds) and a default.

The statutory debt limit is a limit on the amount of debt outstanding. As debt matures, it can be refinanced with new Treasury issuance without affecting the total amount of debt (principal). Interest, by contrast, is an expenditure and could be included among the expenses that the Treasury could decide not to pay.

There will be no default if Congress decides not to raise the debt limit. The government is required by the 14th Amendment to pay its debt obligations, and it can service our $17 trillion debt with less than 10% of federal revenues.


http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/10/moodys-confirms-us-wont-
default.php


If Congress does not raise the debt ceiling then Obama MUST spend on a balanced budget level, no more increases above the taxes taken in. Which would in effect defund Obama-care since that's not law found in the 2009 budget outlays passed under Pelosi and Reid. No wonder the marxists are all up in arms.

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Sunday, October 13, 2013 2:28 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


First of all, this was written in Oct 9. Since then, the WSJ has come out against this approach.

Quote:

1. Revenues. Treasury will collect more than enough revenue in fiscal year 2014 to meet all debt obligations and most non-debt obligations on an annualized basis. Interest payments consume less than 10 percent of revenues, and even if interest rates rose, the U.S. would still be able to service its debt.

2. Prioritization: The Treasury and President Obama have discretion at the debt limit to prioritize payments in the best interest of the nation. Treasury could hold some cash reserves to ensure debt obligations are met on time, prioritizing debt payment above all other spending. Some non-debt payments would be delayed during a debt limit impasse.

3. “Assets.” Nearly one-third of the federal debt subject to the limit consists of intragovernmental debt, or debt which federal agencies have incurred amongst themselves. Redeeming bonds in government trust funds frees up room under the debt limit to borrow additional cash to meet obligations.

So, in other words, the debt ceiling doesn't amount to much? So whay are the Reduds wasting their time on it???

So Medicare and Social Security... totally internal operations... will take the brunt?

Yanno what? Either way, the Tea Party is fucked. The world's second-largest economy has already decided to cut the USA loose. And if the citizens of the USA take the brunt, then there will be a backlash.

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Sunday, October 13, 2013 3:44 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Since when does a communist sow like Sniggy give a damn what the WSJ says about anything? Besides, Moody is as reputable as it gets. The Tea Party 'fucked'? Not even close. Today Cruz, Lee, and Palin stormed the Nazi barbed wire, barricades, and machine gun nests at the WWII Memorial, and once again American patriots took the beach head in the battle against Obama's Govt. tyranny....


Protesters Push Through Barriers at WWII Memorial

Sen. Ted Cruz speaks at a rally at the World War II Memorial on the National Mall in Washington Sunday.

(AP) A crowd including Sen. Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin converged on the World War II Memorial on the National Mall, pushing through barriers Sunday morning to protest the memorial's closing under the government shutdown.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/world-war-memorial-barriers/2013/10/1
3/id/530771

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Monday, October 14, 2013 2:04 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin stormed the National Mall monuments? Do you really think that will help the TP if Social Security and Medicare payments are cut off? Surely you're writing ironically!

And why do you call me a communist? Because I watch RT and CCTV? Well, I also read the WSJ, The Economist, Reuters, and Financial Times (London) - does that make me a capitalist? And I'm with ya on putting the pedal to the metal and doing a Thelma and Louise with the gubmint, so does that make me a Tea Partier? And, I don't even need to watch Fox, because I can come here and get the latest from you!

I think you're confused. Or you've reached the bottom of the barrel (bottle?) again.

There was another thread where people asked HOW Americans can be so brainwashed, and the answer is simple: Only listen to one set of news. Only pay attention to what you want to hear. I think that pretty much describes you.

Why don't you watch RT and find out what they're like. (There are no communists around, as far as I can tell.)

http://rt.com/






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Monday, October 14, 2013 2:06 PM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Since when does a communist sow like Sniggy give a damn what the WSJ says about anything?



Translated from crazytalk: "Stop poking holes in my psychotic ramblings with details and facts!"




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, October 14, 2013 3:15 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Since when does a communist sow like Sniggy give a damn what the WSJ says about anything?



Translated from crazytalk: "Stop poking holes in my psychotic ramblings with details and facts!"


There's Stormyjerk, diving in for sloppy seconds as usual.

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Monday, October 14, 2013 4:17 PM

STORYMARK


Are you so stupid you don't realize you just illustrated my point?

Nevermind - of course you are.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, October 14, 2013 4:54 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Are you so stupid you don't realize you just illustrated my point?

Nevermind - of course you are



Only a really really stupid or psychotic person like you would ask a question and then proceed to answer it.

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Monday, October 14, 2013 5:01 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Are you so stupid you don't realize you just illustrated my point?

Nevermind - of course you are



Only a really really stupid or psychotic person like you would ask a question and then proceed to answer it.



....or someone openly mocking an angry idiot with poor reading skills.

Id like to be able to pretend that Im surprised that you are ignorant to the notion of a "rhetorical question," but sadly, I cannot.

Only someone truly stupid would be in such a hurry to illustrate their amazingly low literacy skills.





"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, October 14, 2013 5:30 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:

Id like to be able to pretend that Im surprised that you are ignorant to the notion of a "rhetorical question," but sadly, I cannot.

Only someone truly stupid would be in such a hurry to illustrate their amazingly low literacy skills.


You continue to show off your staggering ignorance. A rhetorical question is a question asked merely for effect with no answer expected. But you gave an answer to your own question. Like someone who talks to himself, you desperately need psychiatric help.

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Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:29 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, speaking of lack of rhetorical skills, all Jongsstraw has been able to do in this thread is name-call. Not a substantive response in the whole damn thread.

Typical.

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Tuesday, October 15, 2013 11:27 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:

Id like to be able to pretend that Im surprised that you are ignorant to the notion of a "rhetorical question," but sadly, I cannot.

Only someone truly stupid would be in such a hurry to illustrate their amazingly low literacy skills.


You continue to show off your staggering ignorance. A rhetorical question is a question asked merely for effect with no answer expected. But you gave an answer to your own question. Like someone who talks to himself, you desperately need psychiatric help.



I feel almost bad for kicking an idiot when they've already lied down on the floor, but since you are so aggressive in your stupidity, I really don't.

See, moron, answering my own question is a rhetorical device called Hypophora.

Your thinking my knowing more than you is proof that I need psychiatric help really says everything about you that need be said.

Now, go educate yourself, fuckwit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypophora




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, October 15, 2013 1:30 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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[Originally posted by Storymark:

Now, go educate yourself, fuckwit


That must be what you heard every day as a kid leaving your trailer as you headed off to school.

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Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:20 PM

STORYMARK


And what you never heard as you sat around eating paint chips (and lordy, did you *really* need to hear it).

But hey, at least you didn't make a bigger ass of yourself by insisting you were right about a term you clearly didn't understand.

So, you're growing, just a little, tiny, insignificant bit.... but you're growing.

Yay jong! There's hope you might preserve a lonely brain cell, yet!




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:30 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So Medicare and Social Security... totally internal operations... will take the brunt?



Nope... The 24% of people who smoke in this country will pay the brunt.


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Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:44 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by Storymark:

But hey, at least you didn't make a bigger ass of yourself by insisting you were right about a term you clearly didn't understand.



YOU said what YOU posted was "rhetorical". When I challenged that by providing the definition of "rhetorical, YOU then decided to call what you posted something else. That makes you an ass.

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Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:46 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Seems like whoever is talking at Moody's was talking out of their ass.

Fitch puts US AAA rating on rating watch negative

Quote:

Fitch Ratings put the US government's "AAA" credit rating on 'rating watch negative' Tuesday, saying that the standstill on the U.S. debt ceiling negotiations risks undermining the effectiveness of the country's government and political institutions.


http://www.cnbc.com/id/101093033

Now, I understand that the banks (even central banks) may have financial reasons to hype the default (they're addicted to cheap money) which matches up with Obama's political reasons to do the same. OTOH, the prospect of a default can't be entirely ignored either. If interest rates go up, banks and other financiers will have less money to play with, and some may become become severly undercapitalized (ie, fail). Real estate, which is very interest-rate sensitive, will drop, and the stock market will probably fall too.

In addition, we've pissed China off pretty thoroughly by being so cavalier with the fortunes of other currencies. Since China and Russia are seeing more eye-to-eye, we may be forcing them into eachother's arms.

GOOD JOB!

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Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:26 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:

But hey, at least you didn't make a bigger ass of yourself by insisting you were right about a term you clearly didn't understand.



YOU said what YOU posted was "rhetorical". When I challenged that by providing the definition of "rhetorical, YOU then decided to call what you posted something else. That makes you an ass.



You realize that "rhetorical" covers a number of different "rhetorical devices" right?

Of course you don't. As you've illustrated several times now. Shit, I even posted a link to the definition for you. The tenacity with which you cling to your stupidity is impressive, if nothing else.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:31 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by Storymark:
Shit, I even posted a link to the definition for you.


And here's a link that will really help you .... www.gofuckyourself.net

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