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Roller coaster economics: 2007 redux?

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Saturday, May 31, 2014 4:42 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Has the next major economic downturn already started? The way that you would answer that question would probably depend on where you live. If you live in New York City, or the suburbs of Washington D.C., or you work for one of the big tech firms in the San Francisco area, you would probably respond to such a question by saying of course not. In those areas, the economy is doing great and prices for high end homes are still booming. But in most of the rest of the nation, evidence continues to mount that the next recession has already begun for the poor and the middle class. As you will read about below, major retailers had an absolutely dreadful start to 2014 and home sales are declining just as they did back in 2007 before the last financial crisis. Meanwhile, the U.S. economy continues to lose more good jobs and 20 percent of all U.S. families do not have a single member that is employed at this point. 2014 is turning out to be eerily similar to 2007 in so many ways, but most people are not paying attention.

During the first quarter of 2014, earnings by major U.S. retailers missed estimates by the biggest margin in 13 years. The "retail apocalypse" continues to escalate, and the biggest reason for this is the fact that middle class consumers in the U.S. are tapped out. And this is not just happening to a few retailers - this is something that is happening across the board. The following is a summary of how major U.S. retailers performed in the first quarter of 2014 that was put together by Jim Quinn...


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-30/has-next-recession-already-be
gun-americas-middle-class

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Saturday, May 31, 2014 8:31 AM

WHOZIT


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Has the next major economic downturn already started? The way that you would answer that question would probably depend on where you live. If you live in New York City, or the suburbs of Washington D.C., or you work for one of the big tech firms in the San Francisco area, you would probably respond to such a question by saying of course not. In those areas, the economy is doing great and prices for high end homes are still booming. But in most of the rest of the nation, evidence continues to mount that the next recession has already begun for the poor and the middle class. As you will read about below, major retailers had an absolutely dreadful start to 2014 and home sales are declining just as they did back in 2007 before the last financial crisis. Meanwhile, the U.S. economy continues to lose more good jobs and 20 percent of all U.S. families do not have a single member that is employed at this point. 2014 is turning out to be eerily similar to 2007 in so many ways, but most people are not paying attention.

During the first quarter of 2014, earnings by major U.S. retailers missed estimates by the biggest margin in 13 years. The "retail apocalypse" continues to escalate, and the biggest reason for this is the fact that middle class consumers in the U.S. are tapped out. And this is not just happening to a few retailers - this is something that is happening across the board. The following is a summary of how major U.S. retailers performed in the first quarter of 2014 that was put together by Jim Quinn...


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-30/has-next-recession-already-be
gun-americas-middle-class



"Has the down turn already started?" When was there up turn? Did I miss it? The economy is shrinking but the big story is the VA scandel, (which is a big deal) but the MSM is either under reporting it or ignoring it. Barry inherited a bad economy, but he's made it worse. All the MSM is interested in reporting is crap for the 18-49 crowd.

There's been no roller coaster, it's been going down since 08, over 90 million able body unempolyed but the powers that be are telling us that unemployment is going down. If Barry and his pals hadn't gone into politics they'd be selling used cars.

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Saturday, May 31, 2014 9:37 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


What the hell are you talking about ? Obama's economy is on FIRE!!!


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Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:12 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
What the hell are you talking about ? Obama's economy is on FIRE!!!


Republicans were quick to seize on Thursday’s report as more evidence that President Obama’s policies are not working. The downward revision in gross domestic product for the first quarter was driven by businesses’ adding less to their inventories — suggesting that another inventory adjustment won’t weigh on growth in the second quarter. Businesses aggressively added to their inventories in the second half of 2013, one major reason they didn’t need to restock their warehouses and back rooms as quickly in the first three months of 2014.

Experts are now predicting that the annual pace of growth will rise to between 3 percent and 4 percent in the current quarter, and data so far for April and May appears to be much more robust. www.nytimes.com/2014/05/30/business/economy/First-quarter-GDP-data-is-
released.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, June 1, 2014 9:15 AM

WHOZIT


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
What the hell are you talking about ? Obama's economy is on FIRE!!!


Republicans were quick to seize on Thursday’s report as more evidence that President Obama’s policies are not working. The downward revision in gross domestic product for the first quarter was driven by businesses’ adding less to their inventories — suggesting that another inventory adjustment won’t weigh on growth in the second quarter. Businesses aggressively added to their inventories in the second half of 2013, one major reason they didn’t need to restock their warehouses and back rooms as quickly in the first three months of 2014.

Experts are now predicting that the annual pace of growth will rise to between 3 percent and 4 percent in the current quarter, and data so far for April and May appears to be much more robust. www.nytimes.com/2014/05/30/business/economy/First-quarter-GDP-data-is-
released.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



The "experts" have been predicting growth every year since Barry was elected. Unemploment hasn't gone down because there are more jobs out there, it's because there are fewer. Even they whores in the MSM can't cover for them anymore.

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Sunday, June 1, 2014 3:55 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
What the hell are you talking about ? Obama's economy is on FIRE!!!


Only you would be stupid enough to use THAT line to try to make fun of someone ELSE. Hahah, I could not MAKE funnier stuff up. Thanks for the LOL of the day, dude (intentional or not).

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Sunday, June 1, 2014 4:30 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

What the hell are you talking about ? Obama's economy is on FIRE!!!


It is if you're invested in stocks and mutual funds. All told we made back all the paper losses from 2008-2010, and we're up about 65% since then. So ....


Why should I give a fuck about unemployment and labor participation rates? I don't.

Why should I give a fuck about the national economy's quarterly growth? I don't.

Why should I give a fuck about any Govt. financial metric? I don't.


My stock profits are locked in with stop sell markers on everything. I don't pretend to understand why Wall Street has done so well in the last few years, but I know that it's the easiest money I've made since the '90s.

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Sunday, June 1, 2014 4:43 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
What the hell are you talking about ? Obama's economy is on FIRE!!!


Only you would be stupid enough to use THAT line to try to make fun of someone ELSE. Hahah, I could not MAKE funnier stuff up. Thanks for the LOL of the day, dude (intentional or not).



Focus like a laser on employment, Summer of recovery, shovel ready jobs...

Barry's got this, folks.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, June 1, 2014 4:55 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So I ask myself, does rappy not know that if you want to quote someone to make fun of how wrong they were, they actually have to have SAID IT?

Of course he does. Even rappy's not that stupid. So, more trolling from the troll. How expected. And how very very obvious.

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What the hell are you talking about ? Obama's economy is on FIRE!!!





OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Sunday, June 1, 2014 5:00 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Focus like a laser on employment, Summer of recovery, shovel ready jobs...

Barry's got this, folks.

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Sunday, June 1, 2014 5:03 PM

CHRISISALL


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Of course he does. Even rappy's not that stupid.

It's just so rip-roaring hilarious that he's paraquoting what he said about GW JUST before the economy tanked. It's like he just can't stop. His foot's so deep in his mouth it's coming out his butt.

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Monday, June 2, 2014 7:38 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Redux of the Rock The Vote Recession of 2007? what?
Did Democrats take over both Chambers of Congress in 2013 so they could destroy the economy in FY2014 or FY2015? That would be a duplicate of the Rock The Vote election of 2006, where they then spent 2007 developing the FY2008 budget to cause the recession which started at the onset of FY2008 in Oct2007. OOOOps, forgot we're supposed to pretend the Democrat disaster was really really really Bush's fault.


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

What the hell are you talking about ? Obama's economy is on FIRE!!!


It is if you're invested in stocks and mutual funds. All told we made back all the paper losses from 2008-2010, and we're up about 65% since then. So ....

My stock profits are locked in with stop sell markers on everything. I don't pretend to understand why Wall Street has done so well in the last few years, but I know that it's the easiest money I've made since the '90s.


You haven't really gained anything, and have probably lost value. The dollar has been devalued since then, the devaluation has exceeded the numerical gain, so unless you've performed better than the DJIA, you've lost or held even. But your numbers are bigger, and Barry is hoping you are stupid enough to ignore the facts.

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Monday, June 2, 2014 8:30 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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You haven't really gained anything, and have probably lost value. The dollar has been devalued since then, the devaluation has exceeded the numerical gain, so unless you've performed better than the DJIA, you've lost or held even. But your numbers are bigger, and Barry is hoping you are stupid enough to ignore the facts.


You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Inflation and higher prices aren't even a drop of water compared to the bucket of money I'm up. But you go ahead and wallow in your own financial misery and blame whoever you want.

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Saturday, March 18, 2023 4:49 AM

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/svb-rattled-banks-first-republic-104332
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