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Sunday, August 2, 2015 1:51 PM

SIGNYM

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Turkey Enabling ISIS

NATO member Turkey has been busted supporting ISIS.

Quote:

The Guardian reported this week:

US special forces raided the compound of an Islamic State leader in eastern Syria in May, they made sure not to tell the neighbours.

The target of that raid, the first of its kind since US jets returned to the skies over Iraq last August, was an Isis official responsible for oil smuggling, named Abu Sayyaf. He was almost unheard of outside the upper echelons of the terror group, but he was well known to Turkey. From mid-2013, the Tunisian fighter had been responsible for smuggling oil from Syria’s eastern fields, which the group had by then commandeered. Black market oil quickly became the main driver of Isis revenues – and Turkish buyers were its main clients.

As a result, the oil trade between the jihadis and the Turks was held up as evidence of an alliance between the two.

In the wake of the raid that killed Abu Sayyaf, suspicions of an undeclared alliance have hardened. One senior western official familiar with the intelligence gathered at the slain leader’s compound said that direct dealings between Turkish officials and ranking Isis members was now “undeniable”.

“There are hundreds of flash drives and documents that were seized there,” the official told the Observer. “They are being analysed at the moment, but the links are already so clear that they could end up having profound policy implications for the relationship between us and Ankara.”

However, Turkey has openly supported other jihadi groups, such as Ahrar al-Sham, which espouses much of al-Qaida’s ideology, and Jabhat al-Nusra, which is proscribed as a terror organisation by much of the US and Europe. “The distinctions they draw [with other opposition groups] are thin indeed,” said the western official. “There is no doubt at all that they militarily cooperate with both.”

One Isis member says the organisation remains a long way from establishing a self-sustaining economy across the area of Syria and Iraq it controls. “They need the Turks. I know of a lot of cooperation and it scares me,” he said. “I don’t see how Turkey can attack the organisation too hard. There are shared interests.”


While the Guardian is one of Britain’s leading newspapers, many in the alternative press have long pointed out Turkey’s support for ISIS. And experts, Kurds, and Joe Biden have accuses Turkey of enabling ISIS.

Has Turkey Changed Its Ways?

On Tuesday, Turkey proclaimed that it will now help to fight ISIS.

Don’t buy it …

Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson – former chief of staff to Colin Powell, and now distinguished adjunct professor of Government and Public Policy at William & Mary – asked yesterday:

What is [Turkish president] Erdogan’s ultimate purpose? He hates Assad. He’d love to bring him down. Is that why he’s doing this?

There’s also the Kurds …

As Time Magazine pointed out in June:

Ethnic Kurds—who on Tuesday scored their second and third significant victories over ISIS in the space of eight days—are by far the most effective force fighting ISIS in both Iraq and Syria.

And yet Turkey is trying to destroy the Kurds. Time writes:

Since [Turkey announced that it was joining the war against ISIS] it has arrested more than 1,000 people in Turkey and carried out waves of air raids in neighboring Syria and Iraq. But most of those arrests and air strikes, say Kurdish leaders, have hit Kurdish and left wing groups, not ISIS.

Kurds are an ethnic minority that live in parts of Syria, Iraq, Turkey and Iran. They have been persecuted for decades — from Turkey’s suppression of Kurdish identity and banning of Kurdish language to Saddam Hussein’s use of chemical weapons on Kurdish communities. Their leaders, from the numerous different parties and rebel groups that represent them, have long sought an independent Kurdish state encompassing that territory and have fought against their respective governments to try to achieve that.

Hoshang Waziri, a political analyst based in Erbil, says the Kurds’ recent territorial gains in Syria along Turkey’s border and their increasing political legitimacy in the eyes of the West, have made the Kurds a bigger threat to Turkey than ISIS. “The fear of the Turkish state started with the Kurdish defeat of ISIS in Tel Abyad,” says Waziri.

“The image in the West of the Kurds as a reliable ally on the ground is terrifying for Turkey,” says Waziri. “So before it’s too late, Turkey waged its war — not against ISIS, but against the PKK.”

Some see the war against ISIS simply as a cover for an attack on Kurdish groups. Of the more than 1,000 people Turkey has arrested in security sweeps in recent days, 80% are Kurdish, associated either with the PKK or the non-violent Kurdish Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP), says Ibrahim Ayhan, a member of parliament for the HDP.

Ayhan says the AKP needs a state of “chaos” to perusade voters that it is the only bulwark against chaos. As of yet no new government has been formed in Turkey and if that doesn’t happen in the next few weeks, new elections will be called. By that time Ayhad fears many of the leaders of his HDP party will be in jail and some even worry the HDP will be outlawed. At the same time, Erdo?an and his AKP hope they will have shown only they can defend Turkey from internal and external threats.


The Wall Street Journal reports:

Turkey’s military activity against Islamic State does not stem from sudden realizations about threats from ISIS but appears designed to elicit international support for its fight against the Kurds.

The Kurdish Workers’ Party, known as the PKK, was locked in a bloody war with the Turkish state from the mid-1980s until 2013. The cease-fire has, for all intents and purposes, been destroyed. Turkey is battling both ISIS and the PKK under the guise of fighting terrorism. Yet Turkish attempts to conflate ISIS and the PKK–even in the wake of the suicide bombing in a Kurdish border town that killed 32 young people–effectively ask people to overlook some salient facts:

The Kurds are Islamic State’s ideological opposites. The Kurds have been fighting ISIS in Syria and Iraq for some time; in particular, the Kurdish People’s Protection Unit (YPG) in northern Syria has been among the most effective forces at repelling ISIS efforts to take control of the Syrian-Turkish border. Kurdish military resistance in Syria and, to a lesser extent, the Kurdish autonomous government in Iraq have shouldered the lion’s share of the ground conflict against Islamic State, standing their ground at high cost and with limited support from the Western coalition.

A declaration of a state of emergency in Turkey would give the Justice and Development Party (or AKP), which lost its parliamentary majority in June elections, more flexibility to crack down on political opponents such as the Kurdish majority People’s Democratic Party. More than 1,300 people have been detained recently under the guise of cracking down on domestic PKK and ISIS elements in Turkey.

The AKP has declared the peace process with the Kurdish separatists dead and is trying to discredit the only recognized political representatives of the Turkish left and the Kurdish population; the Kurdish People’s Democratic Party won a 13% share of the Turkish parliament in the June elections–a sign of its rising popularity not only among Kurds but also with increasingly disgruntled Turkish liberals.

If a governing coalition isn’t formed, early elections will be held. The AKP appears to be hoping for that–under the thinking that a majority of voters would seek to maintain the status quo in a time of uncertainty and potential civil war, and that AKP’s standing in parliament would, in turn, be strengthened.


So Turkey isn’t really going after ISIS … instead, the ruling party is going after its main political threat – the Kurds – and continuing its long-term effort to overthrow Syria's Assad.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-31/nato-member-busted-supporting
-isis-%E2%80%A6-now-declares-war-against-isis-instead-bombs-its

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Sunday, August 2, 2015 7:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Without reading it, I'm betting myself this is Turkey, and it's bombing either Kurds of what's left of Assad's military ... Now I'll go check it out.




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Monday, August 3, 2015 11:20 AM

SIGNYM

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Obama Authorizes "Defensive" Airstrikes Against Assad Regime In Syria

Quote:

On Friday, we checked in on the Pentagon’s ongoing effort to recruit, vet, and train ambitious "freedom fighters" to join the battle against ISIS in Syria.

It goes without saying that covert US efforts to aid the multifarious groups vying for control of the country have met with disastrous consequences so far, but if there’s anything Washington is particularly adept at, it’s making bad foreign policy outcomes worse, which is why we weren’t at all surprised to learn that the commander of the Pentagon's new Syrian "force" was captured, along with his deputy, by al-Qaeda affiliate al-Nusra last week near the border with Turkey.

The NY Times called the kidnapping "perhaps [the] most embarrassing setback yet," for Washington’s ragtag contingent of volunteer militiamen and indeed, the fact that the Pentagon had hoped to field a "force" of 3,000 men by the end of the year but has so far only managed to train 54 speaks to the futility of the entire effort.

Or perhaps not. It all depends on what the real aim behind the program was in the first place. If the goal was to field a fierce band of well-trained warriors to rout Islamic State, then things aren’t going so well. If, however, the idea was simply to give the US an excuse to get directly involved in facilitating the swift demise of Bashar al-Assad now that his forces have been largely decimated by a three-front war, well it’s mission accomplished, because as WSJ reports, President Obama has now authorized US airstrikes against Assad’s army in the event they interfere with America’s very serious 50 solider effort to combat ISIS. Here’s more:



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-03/obama-authorizes-defensive-ai
rstrikes-against-assad-regime-syria


I wonder if our payment (to Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and our other "partners" in the Middle East) for reaching detente with Iran involves the destruction of Syria.

Yipee! Another nation down the drain!

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Monday, August 3, 2015 2:53 PM

THGRRI


If as you say, what Russia does is none of your business, what do you care what Turkey does?

Ya know, kind of hypocritical don't ya think?


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Monday, August 3, 2015 2:58 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Turkey is a NATO member that we support. The US has made what Turkey does 'our' business.

DUH!!




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Monday, August 3, 2015 3:00 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Signy, because Assad is fighting ISIS, in our fight against ISIS we must bomb Assad! Makes all sorts of sense!

(For those who don't get it, this is irony.)




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Monday, August 3, 2015 7:22 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Turkey Enabling ISIS

NATO member Turkey has been busted supporting ISIS.

Quote:

The Guardian reported this week:

US special forces raided the compound of an Islamic State leader in eastern Syria in May, they made sure not to tell the neighbours.

The target of that raid, the first of its kind since US jets returned to the skies over Iraq last August, was an Isis official responsible for oil smuggling, named Abu Sayyaf. He was almost unheard of outside the upper echelons of the terror group, but he was well known to Turkey. From mid-2013, the Tunisian fighter had been responsible for smuggling oil from Syria’s eastern fields, which the group had by then commandeered. Black market oil quickly became the main driver of Isis revenues – and Turkish buyers were its main clients.

As a result, the oil trade between the jihadis and the Turks was held up as evidence of an alliance between the two.

In the wake of the raid that killed Abu Sayyaf, suspicions of an undeclared alliance have hardened. One senior western official familiar with the intelligence gathered at the slain leader’s compound said that direct dealings between Turkish officials and ranking Isis members was now “undeniable”.

“There are hundreds of flash drives and documents that were seized there,” the official told the Observer. “They are being analysed at the moment, but the links are already so clear that they could end up having profound policy implications for the relationship between us and Ankara.”

However, Turkey has openly supported other jihadi groups, such as Ahrar al-Sham, which espouses much of al-Qaida’s ideology, and Jabhat al-Nusra, which is proscribed as a terror organisation by much of the US and Europe. “The distinctions they draw [with other opposition groups] are thin indeed,” said the western official. “There is no doubt at all that they militarily cooperate with both.”

One Isis member says the organisation remains a long way from establishing a self-sustaining economy across the area of Syria and Iraq it controls. “They need the Turks. I know of a lot of cooperation and it scares me,” he said. “I don’t see how Turkey can attack the organisation too hard. There are shared interests.”


While the Guardian is one of Britain’s leading newspapers, many in the alternative press have long pointed out Turkey’s support for ISIS. And experts, Kurds, and Joe Biden have accuses Turkey of enabling ISIS.

Has Turkey Changed Its Ways?

On Tuesday, Turkey proclaimed that it will now help to fight ISIS.

Don’t buy it …

Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson – former chief of staff to Colin Powell, and now distinguished adjunct professor of Government and Public Policy at William & Mary – asked yesterday:

What is [Turkish president] Erdogan’s ultimate purpose? He hates Assad. He’d love to bring him down. Is that why he’s doing this?

There’s also the Kurds …

As Time Magazine pointed out in June:

Ethnic Kurds—who on Tuesday scored their second and third significant victories over ISIS in the space of eight days—are by far the most effective force fighting ISIS in both Iraq and Syria.

And yet Turkey is trying to destroy the Kurds. Time writes:

Since [Turkey announced that it was joining the war against ISIS] it has arrested more than 1,000 people in Turkey and carried out waves of air raids in neighboring Syria and Iraq. But most of those arrests and air strikes, say Kurdish leaders, have hit Kurdish and left wing groups, not ISIS.

Kurds are an ethnic minority that live in parts of Syria, Iraq, Turkey and Iran. They have been persecuted for decades — from Turkey’s suppression of Kurdish identity and banning of Kurdish language to Saddam Hussein’s use of chemical weapons on Kurdish communities. Their leaders, from the numerous different parties and rebel groups that represent them, have long sought an independent Kurdish state encompassing that territory and have fought against their respective governments to try to achieve that.

Hoshang Waziri, a political analyst based in Erbil, says the Kurds’ recent territorial gains in Syria along Turkey’s border and their increasing political legitimacy in the eyes of the West, have made the Kurds a bigger threat to Turkey than ISIS. “The fear of the Turkish state started with the Kurdish defeat of ISIS in Tel Abyad,” says Waziri.

“The image in the West of the Kurds as a reliable ally on the ground is terrifying for Turkey,” says Waziri. “So before it’s too late, Turkey waged its war — not against ISIS, but against the PKK.”

Some see the war against ISIS simply as a cover for an attack on Kurdish groups. Of the more than 1,000 people Turkey has arrested in security sweeps in recent days, 80% are Kurdish, associated either with the PKK or the non-violent Kurdish Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP), says Ibrahim Ayhan, a member of parliament for the HDP.

Ayhan says the AKP needs a state of “chaos” to perusade voters that it is the only bulwark against chaos. As of yet no new government has been formed in Turkey and if that doesn’t happen in the next few weeks, new elections will be called. By that time Ayhad fears many of the leaders of his HDP party will be in jail and some even worry the HDP will be outlawed. At the same time, Erdo?an and his AKP hope they will have shown only they can defend Turkey from internal and external threats.


The Wall Street Journal reports:

Turkey’s military activity against Islamic State does not stem from sudden realizations about threats from ISIS but appears designed to elicit international support for its fight against the Kurds.

The Kurdish Workers’ Party, known as the PKK, was locked in a bloody war with the Turkish state from the mid-1980s until 2013. The cease-fire has, for all intents and purposes, been destroyed. Turkey is battling both ISIS and the PKK under the guise of fighting terrorism. Yet Turkish attempts to conflate ISIS and the PKK–even in the wake of the suicide bombing in a Kurdish border town that killed 32 young people–effectively ask people to overlook some salient facts:

The Kurds are Islamic State’s ideological opposites. The Kurds have been fighting ISIS in Syria and Iraq for some time; in particular, the Kurdish People’s Protection Unit (YPG) in northern Syria has been among the most effective forces at repelling ISIS efforts to take control of the Syrian-Turkish border. Kurdish military resistance in Syria and, to a lesser extent, the Kurdish autonomous government in Iraq have shouldered the lion’s share of the ground conflict against Islamic State, standing their ground at high cost and with limited support from the Western coalition.

A declaration of a state of emergency in Turkey would give the Justice and Development Party (or AKP), which lost its parliamentary majority in June elections, more flexibility to crack down on political opponents such as the Kurdish majority People’s Democratic Party. More than 1,300 people have been detained recently under the guise of cracking down on domestic PKK and ISIS elements in Turkey.

The AKP has declared the peace process with the Kurdish separatists dead and is trying to discredit the only recognized political representatives of the Turkish left and the Kurdish population; the Kurdish People’s Democratic Party won a 13% share of the Turkish parliament in the June elections–a sign of its rising popularity not only among Kurds but also with increasingly disgruntled Turkish liberals.

If a governing coalition isn’t formed, early elections will be held. The AKP appears to be hoping for that–under the thinking that a majority of voters would seek to maintain the status quo in a time of uncertainty and potential civil war, and that AKP’s standing in parliament would, in turn, be strengthened.


So Turkey isn’t really going after ISIS … instead, the ruling party is going after its main political threat – the Kurds – and continuing its long-term effort to overthrow Syria's Assad.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-31/nato-member-busted-supporting
-isis-%E2%80%A6-now-declares-war-against-isis-instead-bombs-its


From the title I thought you were admitting that Obama was an ISIS supporter. But maybe that has not dawned on you yet.

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Monday, August 3, 2015 8:40 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Obama's just waiting for the right moment to present ISIL with a big wooden horse.

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Friday, August 7, 2015 10:28 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Obama's just waiting for the right moment to present ISIL with a big wooden horse.



HAHAHAHA!!!

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Friday, August 7, 2015 10:51 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

From the title I thought you were admitting that Obama was an ISIS supporter. But maybe that has not dawned on you yet.
Actually, I've been saying that all along, in multiple threads and multiple ways!

This, from 2013

Quote:

The United States has close relationships with religiously fundamentalist monarchies across the Middle East. These nations are ruled by monarchs who impose Sharia law: United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia , Bahrain, Qatar (dual legal system), and Kuwait.

Quote:

The Hanbali school, known for following the most orthodox form of Islam, is embraced in Saudi Arabia and by the Taliban.


http://www.cfr.org/religion/islam-governing-under-sharia/p8034

Not too surprising, Saudi Arabia has used some of it's unimaginable oil wealth to export its religion for the past 40 years (if not more) by building maddrasses in other countries. I recall from my teen years (and that was a long time ago) the fuss that was being made about the many Saudi maddrasses being built in the Horn of Africa, and how the West was simply ceding territory. But that seems not to have been on the minds of TPTB, because they were busy arming the Taliban in Afghanistan. So, at this point, most of the ME is composed of Sunni followers.

Thinking about the nations that we have destabilized or invaded, with the exception of Afghanistan they were all secular: Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt. Now, they are hotbeds of al Qaida.

And, just as a curiosity, with all of those al Qaida cells running around, why have they never attacked Israel?.



I've been saying for quite a while that Saudi Arabia and Qatar shipped dozens of planeloads - and several boatloads - of arms into Libya for jihadists, in support of "our" project to destroy Libya, and that the CIA was instrumental in cross-shipping the arms to jihadists in Syria to support our goal of destroying Syria.

But, here's the thing: IT'S NOT JUST OBAMA.

Bush Jr was hip-deep with the more jihadist elements of Saudi Arabia including Bandar ("Bush") bib Sultan, chief of Saudi security, who had the Chechen rebels and al Qaisa in his back pocket, ready to do his bidding.

I don't know why we're so hot to trot to destroy every secular nation in the ME, and give al Qaida (and its offshoots and affiliates) so much room to grow! CLEARLY we intend to destroy Syria, even if it means turning the entire nation over to ISIS, just as we did Libya and Iraq. I mean ... wtf????



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Saturday, November 7, 2015 12:15 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2015/11/07/white-house-
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The White House would not say how many additional refugees it may take in beyond the 10,000, but two senior administration officials said they are seeking ways to increase the number.

“We want to be in a place where we can push out really ambitious goals,” said one of the officials, who spoke to Reuters on the condition of anonymity.

The State Department runs nine screening centers worldwide that serve as meeting points for refugees and U.S. Department of Homeland Security employees who have to decide who is suitable for resettlement in the United States.

And get this, we will re-open the processing center in Lebanon (guess those security concerns have disappeared)!


vids




more





Homeland Security workers stopped traveling to Lebanon to meet with refugees when the facility there closed over a year ago due to security concerns.

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Wednesday, December 16, 2015 11:56 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Is it all true??? maybe not but there is perhaps a lot of truth to some reports, the woo woo preacher tinfoil heads spin...but sadly the alternative media got this one correct while the dinosaur mainstream media posted propaganda
Turkey does have ISIS connection









This is what happens when the mainstream media does not tell the facts people run to their American preacher for news, you get another Richest Nigerian Preachers channel on the net, some other doomsday woowoo head gets money for reporting real news

So why are preachers getting money?
Why are they so popular preaching
well some of what they say is true, it is doomsday for Christians in the middle east, they are facing extinction since maybe 2004 certianly got bad in 2006, At the start of the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, Iraqi Christians numbered 1.4 million then came Sunnis vs Kurd vs anyone with any other faith vs sectarian Iraqi Shia militia forces with the Kurdish areas being one of the few relatively stable.....Obama was once really concerned In a letter written to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in 2007, he cited concern about “their potential extinction from their ancient homeland” and urged a “response from our government.”....then with the Obama admin we see the rise of ISIS and a Syrian civil war, Iraqi Christians and other religious minorities like the Yazidis, then faced a holocaust, an extinction, numbers have been reduced by more than 80 percent


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Friday, December 18, 2015 11:10 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


And there you are, making the same mistake as KPO. Are you sure you're not KPO's sock puppet?

I don't rely ONLY on sources, like you and KPO. But I do ask myself - among other things - "Who has the best evidence?", "Who benefits?", and "Why now?", when evaluating a news item's reliability.

In this particular instance, Turkey is a NATO member. Western governments - and therefore the western press - had no particular longstanding grotch against Turkey (as they do with Russia) and therefore no reason to over-report unfavorable news. In fact, if anything, the mainstream western press was VERY quiet about Erdogan's role in transshipping weapons from Qatar and Saudi Arabia to Libya and then back again from Libya to Syria, his role in the sarin gas attack in Syria and his increasingly authoritarian/ Islamicized government at home. You would have to dig deep into alternate sites or foreign media to find that information.

Given that the western press seemed inclined to give Erdogan a pass on just about anything, the fact that they chose to publish THIS piece of negative news makes it more likely.

Well, that and the fact that it was widely reported in the foreign press. But if I had quoted Russian or Iranian or even Kurdish press, you wouldn't have "believed" it. So I chose to quote a site that YOU would deem "reliable".



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Friday, December 18, 2015 7:01 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And there you are, making the same mistake as KPO. Are you sure you're not KPO's sock puppet?

I don't rely ONLY on sources, like you and KPO. But I do ask myself - among other things - "Who has the best evidence?", "Who benefits?", and "Why now?", when evaluating a news item's reliability.

In this particular instance, Turkey is a NATO member. Western governments - and therefore the western press - had no particular longstanding grotch against Turkey (as they do with Russia) and therefore no reason to over-report unfavorable news. In fact, if anything, the mainstream western press was VERY quiet about Erdogan's role in transshipping weapons from Qatar and Saudi Arabia to Libya and then back again from Libya to Syria, his role in the sarin gas attack in Syria and his increasingly authoritarian/ Islamicized government at home. You would have to dig deep into alternate sites or foreign media to find that information.

Given that the western press seemed inclined to give Erdogan a pass on just about anything, the fact that they chose to publish THIS piece of negative news makes it more likely.

Well, that and the fact that it was widely reported in the foreign press. But if I had quoted Russian or Iranian or even Kurdish press, you wouldn't have "believed" it. So I chose to quote a site that YOU would deem "reliable".






Come on SIG. Zero Hedge's news is written by a group of editors that all use the same pseudonym to hide behind. Robert Meyers, a character from fight club.

I guess KPO has a lot of sock puppets here because I agree with G as well.


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Saturday, December 19, 2015 1:02 PM

SIGNYM

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Let me make this simple enough for all three of your to understand.

First of all, please look at the date of my original post:

It was well before Russia intervened in Syria.
Obviously, well before Turkey shot down the Russian war plane.
Well before the G-20, when Putin not only publicly called out Erdogan for buying ISIL oil, but also handed out secret dossiers with the gory details.
Well before Turkey released a million or so refugees and then extorted money from the EU.
Well before Turkey became too hot to handle, a pariah in terms of international relations.

UP UNTIL THEN, Turkey mostly got a free pass from the Western press, although it's activities had been going on for years.

What I posted was widely reported in sources from around the world, I just picked sources that YOU would find credible, because if I had posted from some other source, you would have rejected the information. You know you would, and I know you would.

Capisce?

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Wednesday, December 23, 2015 12:12 PM

SIGNYM

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Meanwhile, Turkey is stationing its military in Qatar, and has "invaded" Iraq. ITs troops are now using tanks and troops to sanitize its own Kurdish regions, as the Kurdish leaders visit Moscow. Can you say "civil war"? Sure you can!.

But as far as fighting ISIS???

Not so much!

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Wednesday, December 23, 2015 12:27 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Meanwhile, Turkey is stationing its military in Qatar, and has "invaded" Iraq. ITs troops are now using tanks and troops to sanitize its own Kurdish regions, as the Kurdish leaders visit Moscow. Can you say "civil war"? Sure you can!.

But as far as fighting ISIS???

Not so much!

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And there you have it folks. With a little patience SIG gives us her " honest " opinion as to what defines an invasion. A couple hundred troops and 20 tanks. She even placed parenthesis around the word (invaded) to make her point.

News Flash, SIG now agrees, Russia invaded Ukraine.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/7/l-todd-wood-turkey-inva
des-iraq
/



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Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:04 PM

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I see I was still refining my type when you quoted me. No problem, it is subtle differences.

My post serves the purpose of adding to the evidence, SIG posts only to advance her agenda. And that a fair and true assessment of the facts has nothing to do with what she presents in her posts.


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Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:36 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Meanwhile, Turkey is stationing its military in Qatar, and has "invaded" Iraq. ITs troops are now using tanks and troops to sanitize its own Kurdish regions, as the Kurdish leaders visit Moscow. Can you say "civil war"? Sure you can!.

But as far as fighting ISIS???

Not so much!

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And there you have it folks. With a little patience SIG gives us her " honest " opinion as to what defines an invasion. A couple hundred troops and 20 tanks. She even placed parenthesis around the word (invaded) to make her point.

News Flash, SIG now agrees, Russia invaded Ukraine.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/7/l-todd-wood-turkey-inva
des-iraq
/

Do you know the difference between parentheses () and quotation marks ""?

Not so much, apparently.





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Wednesday, December 23, 2015 3:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Meanwhile, Turkey is stationing its military in Qatar, and has "invaded" Iraq. ITs troops are now using tanks and troops to sanitize its own Kurdish regions, as the Kurdish leaders visit Moscow. Can you say "civil war"? Sure you can!.

But as far as fighting ISIS???

Not so much!

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And there you have it folks. With a little patience SIG gives us her " honest " opinion as to what defines an invasion. A couple hundred troops and 20 tanks. She even placed parenthesis around the word (invaded) to make her point.

News Flash, SIG now agrees, Russia invaded Ukraine.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/7/l-todd-wood-turkey-inva
des-iraq
/

Do you know the difference between parentheses () and quotation marks ""?

Not so much, apparently.








Is that the point SIG, or is it your hypocrisy is once again displayed for all to see. I think it's the latter. I think it is also very clear now, that you do believe Russia invaded Ukraine.


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Wednesday, December 23, 2015 8:44 PM

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Quote:

Is that the point SIG, or is it your hypocrisy is once again displayed for all to see. I think it's the latter. I think it is also very clear now, that you do believe Russia invaded Ukraine.


Well, I see that you've boldly tread where even your buddies fear to tread: Into imbecility.

Quotation marks are used to indicate where someone is DIRECTLY QUOTING another person- ascribing the word(s) not to self but to someone else. In that sense, using quotation marks indicates that the author does NOT agree with or believe the normal sense of a word, and may be using the word in an ironic or disbelieving tone. In fact, that punctuation has a special name: Scare quote.

Quote:

Scare quotes, shudder quotes, or sneer quotes are quotation marks placed around a word or phrase to signal that a term is being used in a nonstandard, ironic, or otherwise special sense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes

I thought everyone knew that. That's why I used quotation marks.

So, there you go, THUGR. Ya learn something new every day. Or at least, you should!






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Wednesday, December 23, 2015 10:48 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Is that the point SIG, or is it your hypocrisy is once again displayed for all to see. I think it's the latter. I think it is also very clear now, that you do believe Russia invaded Ukraine.


Well, I see that you've boldly tread where even your buddies fear to tread: Into imbecility.

Quotation marks are used to indicate where someone is DIRECTLY QUOTING another person- ascribing the word(s) not to self but to someone else. In that sense, using quotation marks indicates that the author does NOT agree with or believe the normal sense of a word, and may be using the word in an ironic or disbelieving tone. In fact, that punctuation has a special name: Scare quote.

Quote:

Scare quotes, shudder quotes, or sneer quotes are quotation marks placed around a word or phrase to signal that a term is being used in a nonstandard, ironic, or otherwise special sense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes

I thought everyone knew that. That's why I used quotation marks.

So, there you go, THUGR. Ya learn something new every day. Or at least, you should!






When you use an exclamation point to end a sentence you are not supposed to also use a period. Look below at the end of your quoted text asshole. Those who live in glass houses should not throw rocks.




Quote:

SIG

Meanwhile, Turkey is stationing its military in Qatar, and has "invaded" Iraq. ITs troops are now using tanks and troops to sanitize its own Kurdish regions, as the Kurdish leaders visit Moscow. Can you say "civil war"? Sure you can!.



Now back to the point of my original post.


Your deflection is useless. You can't hide behind it. We have a thread here that goes on forever with you denying Russia invaded Ukraine over and over again. You use every act of denial and deflection in the book. Yet, here we have you telling us what you consider an aggressive enough action to warrant being called an invasion. It's a very low bar to meet indeed. So deflect all you want. It is here for others to quote back to you when you try and claim going forward that Russia did not invade Ukraine.

As a matter of fact. Russia sent in more troops to Georgia than Turkey into Iraq, so you now have to admit Russia invaded them as well.






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Thursday, December 24, 2015 12:46 AM

SIGNYM

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When you use an exclamation point to end a sentence you are not supposed to also use a period. Look below at the end of your quoted text asshole. Those who live in glass houses should not throw rocks.
- IDIOT

Quote:

Meanwhile, Turkey is stationing its military in Qatar, and has "invaded" Iraq. ITs troops are now using tanks and troops to sanitize its own Kurdish regions, as the Kurdish leaders visit Moscow. Can you say "civil war"? Sure you can!.


Now back to the point of my original post. Your deflection is useless. You can't hide behind it. We have a thread here that goes on forever with you denying Russia invaded Ukraine over and over again. You use every act of denial and deflection in the book. Yet, here we have you telling us what you consider an aggressive enough action to warrant being called an invasion. It's a very low bar to meet indeed. So deflect all you want. It is here for others to quote back to you when you try and claim going forward that Russia did not invade Ukraine.

OMFG, your stupidity knows no bounds. I specifically put quotation marks around the word because I think it is NOT an invasion. Everybody knows this except you, and the more you argue the point, the more drunk or moronic or desperate you look (with apologies to drunks and morons everywhere!)

Sheesh.

I'm sure not going to waste my time arguing with idiots!

Quote:

As a matter of fact. Russia sent in more troops to Georgia than Turkey into Iraq, so you now have to admit Russia invaded them as well.
Ah, yes, you're buzzing around ANOTHER crock of shit as if it were honey. You weren't here for the fireworks on that particular event, but in fact, Georgia fired the first missiles, so that makes Russian action defensive.

I don't understand how anyone can be so blazingly, astoundingly, breathtakingly wrong on every single point, but somehow you manage.

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Thursday, December 24, 2015 1:45 PM

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Quote:


Sig

Meanwhile, Turkey is stationing its military in Qatar, and has "invaded" Iraq. ITs troops are now using tanks and troops to sanitize its own Kurdish regions, as the Kurdish leaders visit Moscow. Can you say "civil war"? Sure you can!.



Quote:



Sig

I specifically put quotation marks around the word because I think it is NOT an invasion.



The words ( not an invasion ) do not appear in your quote. Read it again SIG. It speaks for itself. By your standards for what is an invasion, Russia invaded Ukraine and Georgia.

And by the way asshole, the ( T ) in its is not supposed to be capitalized. You make so many grammatical mistakes you should not point fingers at others. Two in this quoted text alone.





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Friday, December 25, 2015 2:11 AM

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And here I thought the 'ITs' was used to put emphasis on the word IT. Exactly like SOME people will capitalize words for emphasis.






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Friday, December 25, 2015 8:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
And here I thought the 'ITs' was used to put emphasis on the word IT. Exactly like SOME people will capitalize words for emphasis.





Hey 1kiki check out SIG's declaration that Turkey invaded Iraq. Considering we are talking a few hundred troops and twenty tanks, I guess you can no longer count on her backing your bullshit that Russia did not invade Ukraine.


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Friday, December 25, 2015 10:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
And here I thought the 'ITs' was used to put emphasis on the word IT. Exactly like SOME people will capitalize words for emphasis.





Hey 1kiki check out SIG's declaration that Turkey invaded Iraq. Considering we are talking a few hundred troops and twenty tanks, I guess you can no longer count on her backing your bullshit that Russia did not invade Ukraine.




Oh look! Santa put a troll under the tree just before Xmas!

What is it with G and THUGR? They CAN'T stop making themselves the center of (even negative) attention for just a few days? Wow, it must suck being them.



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Friday, December 25, 2015 9:50 PM

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SIG

What is it with G and THUGR? They CAN'T stop making themselves the center of (even negative) attention for just a few days? Wow, it must suck being them.


No not really:

Hey SIG. How about Turkey invading Iraq that way. Some nerve huh?



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Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:16 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Hey SIG. How about Turkey invading Iraq that way. Some nerve huh?

HEY THUGR: If you're going to "quote" me, just make sure you put the quotation marks around my word "invade". That way, everyone else will know what I mean, even if you pretend like you don't. Or, yanno, continue to be a liar, just like you're doing now.

PUNCTUATION COUNTS. That the difference between

Quote:

"Let's eat, grandma!"
and
Quote:

"Let's eat grandma!"


You can eat grandma.




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Saturday, December 26, 2015 9:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Hey SIG. How about Turkey invading Iraq that way. Some nerve huh?

HEY THUGR: If you're going to "quote" me, just make sure you put the quotation marks around my word "invade". That way, everyone else will know what I mean, even if you pretend like you don't. Or, yanno, continue to be a liar, just like you're doing now.

PUNCTUATION COUNTS. That the difference between




Hey stupid stop trying to correct people till you learn to read. I didn't quote you. That's me posing a question to you. Holly shit moron.

And you can give up trying suggest by quoting invasion you meant it was not. Most everyone else here can read and see right through that bullshit.


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Saturday, December 26, 2015 9:43 PM

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Preserved to prevent deletion by a "genius".

Originally posted by THGRRI:
And you can give up trying suggest by quoting invasion you meant it was not. Most everyone else here can read and see right through that bullshit.






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Saturday, December 26, 2015 9:43 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Preserved to prevent deletion by a "genius".

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
And you can give up trying suggest by quoting invasion you meant it was not. Most everyone else here can read and see right through that bullshit.






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Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Preserved to prevent deletion by a "genius".



Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
And you can give up trying suggest by quoting invasion you meant it was not. Most everyone else here can read and see right through that bullshit.



I'm not the one who starts correcting peoples English when I get caught in a contradiction and then a lie. I leave that to you two. I just take the opportunity when you try and deflect that way to show you guys make more mistakes than most.

Its really pathetic to point out that someone misspelled a word or made a grammatical error. It's very petty and of no importance. So there's another thing I dislike about you two. Because you're petty you're pathetic.

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Sunday, December 27, 2015 8:04 AM

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There is a difference between

THUGR is a genius., and

THUGR is a "genius".

Can you detect the difference? If not, I suggest you go to a remedial English class.

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Sunday, December 27, 2015 9:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There is a difference between

THUGR is a genius., and

THUGR is a "genius".

Can you detect the difference? If not, I suggest you go to a remedial English class.




Why don't you just post a grammatical definition or something that shows us that in accordance with the productive rules of grammar, by putting a word in quotes it now means the opposite.





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Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:06 AM

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Turkey’s Kurdish Cities Become War Zones

http://www.wsj.com/articles/turkeys-kurdish-cities-become-war-zones-14
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Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:13 AM

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FINANCIAL TIMES Dec 23

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7939dd5a-a894-11e5-955c-1e1d6de94879.html#ix
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The Turkish military has found a new adversary as it has battled its way into city centres over the past few days: Kurdish teenagers and disaffected youths.

More than 100 people have died in less than a week of urban warfare — one of the most disturbing flare-ups in the country’s decades-long Kurdish conflict. The Turkish state, which has sought to keep a lid on media coverage of the offensive, faces the possible public relations nightmare of a bloody crackdown on baby-faced rebels.

But the significance of the generational shift goes much further: the youths’ appearance on the front lines could further whittle down already dwindling hopes of peace.

For much of the past three decades, the conflict has largely been concentrated around remote mountain ranges. Typically fighters from the outlawed Kurdistan Workers party (or PKK) placed bombs on winding roads used by military convoys, staged attacks on local guards or were hit in their own redoubts by government forces.

The current battle, in the hearts of southeastern cities such as Diyarbakir or Cizre, is not only bloodier and more intense because of the nature of urban warfare, it is also against a more shadowy and decidedly more youthful foe.

“The initial concern of the Turkish government is to stop any sort of armed rebellion inside the towns,” said Ilter Turan, a professor of politics at Bilgi University in Istanbul. “The larger issue is that there is a pervasive, even contagious, sentiment amongst these younger people.”

The modus operandi of the young militants, who since the summer have assassinated local policemen and declared autonomous zones in big southeastern cities, is different from that of the more established PKK. The older militants claim they do not control the young fighters, whose command structure is far from clear.

“It’s a completely new situation, this new sort of urban, localised conflict between the militants and the armed forces — and the ambiguity of where it leads to is very dangerous,” said Fuat Keyman, an expert at the Istanbul Policy Centre, who was involved in recent abortive peace talks.

The stakes are extraordinarily high — almost 40,000 people have died in the Kurdish conflict since the mid-1980s and around a fifth of the country’s 77m population is of Kurdish ethnicity.

The battle for greater Kurdish rights has also been recently inflamed by turmoil in the Middle East — the region’s Kurds are split between Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran — and specifically the Syrian civil war, where many young Turkish Kurds have rallied to their brethren’s battle against the jihadis of Isis.

For years Kurdish politicians have warned that the youths growing up in the highlands of the south-east and the rundown hinterlands of Turkey’s biggest cities will be more radicalised by the generation before them. Such politicians add that the prospects of a deal settling the Kurds’ demands for greater self-rule will be correspondingly less.

Now those same Kurdish politicians are virtually marginalised by both sides — by young militants inspired by the battle in Syria and by a government that no longer talks to them, in large part because of the attacks mounted by the radicalised youths.

Indeed while the military operation is described by Turkish officials as a precursor to negotiations, it is increasingly unclear who exactly the Turkish authorities expect to negotiate with.

The contrast is stark with previous years’ talks with Abdullah Ocalan, the PKK’s imprisoned leader, which ensured an uneasy ceasefire for roughly two and a half years until the conflict reignited around July this year.

Today, the battle with the young militants, who call themselves the Patriotic Revolutionary Group Movement and have gradually emerged over the past two years, has taken violence to levels not seen since Mr Ocalan was captured in 1999.

In cities like Diyarbakir and Cizre, the Turkish military is fighting with the youths street by street, as residents flee — more than 200,000 left the two cities ahead of the military’s advances.

Two people remaining in Diyarbakir told the FT they had heard shelling every night, that roads were blocked off and telephone lines cut. Both expressed fears of a long-term military presence in their cities.

Sezgin Tanrikulu, a Kurdish opposition politician from Diyarbakir, described meeting with business figures while gunshots rang out, tanks rolled by and the military enforced a 20 day curfew. He lambasted both the militants for building barricades and the authorities for sending tanks against them. “This is a punishment of the people,” Mr Tanrikulu said.

A Turkish official who declined to be named said that state forces were fighting for the first time against a generation of Kurdish militants who had been radicalised by the Syrian war, rather being trained by the PKK itself.

But, speaking from the fringes of the combat zone, the official said the government had no alternative but to treat the more established militants, and the youth wing as the same foe.

“To us, they are one and the same — these so-called youth wing fighters, and the PKK,” he said. “They are terrorists, and the government has to act.”

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Monday, December 28, 2015 4:28 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:


And now, even the USA and it's other "coalition partners" refuse to fly over Syria. Why do you suppose that is?




So the only fighter jets flying over Syria now are Russian. One more sign of Sigs delusion.

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60254&mid=10061
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Monday, December 28, 2015 8:40 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



THGR:
So the only fighter jets flying over Syria now are Russian. One more sign of Sigs delusion.


Signy didn't make any comments about non-Russian jets flying over Syria in this thread. Are you referring to this?

Signy:
The target of that raid, the first of its kind since US jets returned to the skies over Iraq ...


You DO know the difference between Iraq and Syria - right?




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Tuesday, December 29, 2015 10:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

Quote:

...SIG

And now, even the USA and it's other "coalition partners" refuse to fly over Syria. Why do you suppose that is?



Quote:

...1KIKI
Signy didn't make any comments about non-Russian jets flying over Syria in this thread. Are you referring to this?



Signy:
The target of that raid, the first of its kind since US jets returned to the skies over

1KIKI
You DO know the difference between Iraq and Syria - right?



It's a direct quote with a link provided. Here's the who paragraph.

...SIG

Not only are Russian planes flying the same zone, there are no "rebels" left alive down there to shoot at pilots as they drift down on parachutes. Turks now no longer even violate Greek airspace (which they did with impunity before) let alone Syrian airspace. And now, even the USA and it's other "coalition partners" refuse to fly over Syria. Why do you suppose that is?


After the Russian plane was shot down apparently Russia killed every rebel in that area (got them all) and through sheer intimidation chased the rest of the world out of Syrian air space.

Oops, there are those pesky quotes again "rebels". So SIG, this means you are saying there are rebels left down there?


http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60254&mid=10061
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Tuesday, December 29, 2015 1:46 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Are you scrambled, stupid or drunk?

What you quoted supports Signy's statement, it doesn't refute it.

OK. I'm done with you on this topic. Apparently you prefer to look really incoherent just to keep on posting.




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Tuesday, December 29, 2015 6:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Are you scrambled, stupid or drunk?

What you quoted supports Signy's statement, it doesn't refute it.

OK. I'm done with you on this topic. Apparently you prefer to look really incoherent just to keep on posting.




What I quote is SIG's statement. It is not in support of it, asshole.

SIG

Not only are Russian planes flying the same zone, there are no "rebels" left alive down there to shoot at pilots as they drift down on parachutes. Turks now no longer even violate Greek airspace (which they did with impunity before) let alone Syrian airspace. And now, even the USA and it's other "coalition partners" refuse to fly over Syria. Why do you suppose that is?



Me
So you agree with SIG that all the rebels located in the area where the Russian plane went down are now dead, killed by Russia. Is that correct? And you also agree with SIG that Russia was the only country during this time that would fly mission over Syria. The rest of the world refused to. Is that correct?


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Sunday, May 2, 2021 6:11 AM

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What Biden's genocide remark means to Turkey, and to Armenians

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/armenian-genocide-biden-remark-will-strai
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Turkish extremist group Grey Wolves finds a favourable climate in Germany
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Dr. Oz holds dual citizenship with Turkey. That’s no bar to a Senate bid
https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/dec/03/dr-oz-holds-dual-citize
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Syrian Kurdish Commander Says Biden Can Advance Peace in Turkey
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/syrian-kurdish-commander-says-bid
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Russia Pledges Support for Normalization of Relations Between Armenia and Turkey
https://massispost.com/2021/11/russia-pledges-support-for-normalizatio
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