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Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:48 PM

THGRRI


MOSCOW -- A Russian publishing house printed a series of books about President Vladimir Putin under the names of Western analysts and journalists without the authors' permission.

"Even by Moscow standards, this is a surreal story," The Guardian's Luke Harding told UPI Tuesday. Harding joins The Economist's Edward Lucas and Donald Jensen, a U.S. based Russia expert, whom all say they had no knowledge that the Russian-language books would be attributed to them. The books were produced by the Moscow publisher Algoritm in a series called Project Putin, as reported by The Moscow Times.

But, they did not write them.

"The first I learned of my 'book' was when a Russian friend found it in a store a couple of weeks ago and tweeted me a picture. I haven't seen a hard copy. The publisher has told Russian TV and radio he got hold of the Ukrainian edition of my book Mafia State, which came out in 2014, then translated it into Russian, and published a version of it without my consent! His excuse -- 'I couldn't get hold of him.' Ridiculous," exclaimed Harding.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2015/08/11/Russian-publisher-pr
ints-books-on-Putin-under-names-of-Western-authors/2601439302100
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Tuesday, August 11, 2015 10:36 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You don't have to go to Russia to find a book of lies.

Read Obama's book.

Then read any of Bush's(s) books.

Then read any History Class book taught in schools for the last 100+ years.


Our society, for better or for worse is entirely based upon lies.

WE WOULD GO FUCKING CRAZY IF WE WEREN'T LIED TO CONSTANTLY. PERIOD.

This fact used to drive me crazy 10 or so years ago when I believed I was young enough and important enough to "put an end" to it.



Until the proverbial "shit" hits the fan, don't concern yourself with any of this bullshit you can NEVER hope to influence, man.

Even if you had PROOF of anything you believe in, chances are 9 out of 10 people you know wouldn't even want to see it. Ignorance is Bliss isn't just some line from an old book. It's Reality.


I used to drive myself crazy about this sort of thing. That started 12 years ago. Back then I made a ton of money. This year, after 8 months, I've survived relatively comfortably off of about 5,000 bucks income.

The point is, even if Big Brother is Watching, and even though Technology is 1,000 times more pervasive than Orwell ever imagined, 1984 doesn't seem so bad to me.

I'm not saying that for some it won't feel like life is nothing more than a Jack-Booted Thug stomping on your face for eternity....

I'm just saying that, at least for me, life isn't so bad....

I know whoever is REALLY in control has an IQ that's double yours and mine combined, but I take comfort in watching the idiots we elect making mistakes all the time.

When "1984" really does happen, and our lives become an Orwellian Nightmare, which I'm sure will happen much later than our current life expectancies, we will evolve.

Perhaps this is why Mankind hasn't truly evolved for at least 200 years or more in any meaningful way?

Go ahead and "test" us, the Proletariat..... I dare you ;)



Just when The Man has Checkmate, The Prole undergoes a metamorphosis that Completely Changes The Game.

Buy the Ticket, Take the Ride.

I agree with Jesus Jones.

There is nowhere else I'd rather be.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:13 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


I saw an article called "DuPont and the Chemistry of Deception” that came out today. DuPont misled, deceived, lied constantly, out of concern for its precious money. Remember: your life is not precious. To DuPont your life is worthless. https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/08/11/dupont-chemistry-decepti
on
/

In 1999, when a farmer suspected that DuPont had poisoned his cows (after they drank from the very C8-polluted stream DuPont employees had worried over in their draft press release eight years earlier) and filed a lawsuit seeking damages, the truth finally began to seep out. The next year, an in-house DuPont attorney named Bernard Reilly helped open an internal workshop on C8 by giving “a short summary of the right things to document and not to document.” But Reilly — whose own emails about C8 would later fuel the legal battle that eventually included thousands of people, including Ken Wamsley and Sue Bailey — didn’t heed his own advice.

Reilly clearly made the wrong choice when he used the company’s computers to write about C8, which he revealingly called the “the material 3M sells us that we poop to the river and into drinking water along the Ohio River.” But the DuPont attorney was right about two things: If C8 was proven to be harmful, Reilly predicted in 2000, “we are really in the soup because essentially everyone is exposed one way or another.” Also, as he noted in another prescient email sent 15 years ago: “This will be an interesting saga before it’s thru.”

Although DuPont no longer uses C8, fully removing the chemical from all the bodies of water and bloodstreams it pollutes is now impossible. And, because it is so chemically stable — in fact, as far as scientists can determine, it never breaks down — C8 is expected to remain on the planet well after humans are gone from it.

C8 is in the blood of 99.7 percent of Americans, according to a 2007 analysis of data from the Centers for Disease Control. The vast majority of Americans — along with most people on the planet — now have C8 in their bodies.

Results from an engineering study the group at DuPont reviewed described two methods for reducing C8 emissions, including thermal destruction and a scrubbing system.

“None of the options developed are … economically attractive,” someone named J. A. Schmid summarized in notes from the meeting, which are marked “personal and confidential.” DuPont decided to double-down on C8, betting that somewhere down the line the company would somehow be able to “eliminate all C8 emissions in a way yet to be developed that would not economically penalize the business,” as Schmid wrote in his 1984 meeting notes.

In other words, until the cost of removing C8 was reduced to zero DuPont would not remove C8. DuPont would fix the problem only when DuPont could do it for free. That's how good businesses operate.

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Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:08 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


WONDERFUL POINT about C8.....

I never knew a single thing about C8 before you posted it here, Second, and although I won't admit that I agree it exists or that 99% of us are irrevocably infected with it or not, it just illustrates the point.....

Even if every single American in 2015 were infected with C8, we still have a life expectancy that's 20 years longer than our grandparents had when they were my age in the 1960's....

Are you infected with C8?

I don't know....

Is your body dealing with a shit-ton of man-made toxins, every second you exist, that people in the 1960's would never have dreamed of? You bet your ass it is.


"Back To The Future" was true.

"Back To The Future II" was a lie.

If Marty McFly went 30 years into the future without wearing a hazmat suit, he would have come back shaki.....

oh. nevermind...


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:31 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


When I was a child autism was so rare it was estimated to be 1 in 50,000. Then newer figures came out and it was 1 in 10,000. But still really, really rare. Or maybe 1 in 1,000. But so rare an individual couple could put it far far down on their list of concerns. Then 1 in 500. Or 200. Or 80. Or 66.

In my lifetime it's gone from extremely rare to 3 in 200.

But the 80,000 new chemicals on the face of this planet couldn't have anything to do with it. It must just be a coincidence.






SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Wednesday, August 12, 2015 7:28 AM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
I saw an article called "DuPont and the Chemistry of Deception” that came out today. DuPont misled, deceived, lied constantly, out of concern for its precious money. Remember: your life is not precious. To DuPont your life is worthless. https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/08/11/dupont-chemistry-decepti
on
/

In 1999, when a farmer suspected that DuPont had poisoned his cows (after they drank from the very C8-polluted stream DuPont employees had worried over in their draft press release eight years earlier) and filed a lawsuit seeking damages, the truth finally began to seep out. The next year, an in-house DuPont attorney named Bernard Reilly helped open an internal workshop on C8 by giving “a short summary of the right things to document and not to document.” But Reilly — whose own emails about C8 would later fuel the legal battle that eventually included thousands of people, including Ken Wamsley and Sue Bailey — didn’t heed his own advice.

Reilly clearly made the wrong choice when he used the company’s computers to write about C8, which he revealingly called the “the material 3M sells us that we poop to the river and into drinking water along the Ohio River.” But the DuPont attorney was right about two things: If C8 was proven to be harmful, Reilly predicted in 2000, “we are really in the soup because essentially everyone is exposed one way or another.” Also, as he noted in another prescient email sent 15 years ago: “This will be an interesting saga before it’s thru.”

Although DuPont no longer uses C8, fully removing the chemical from all the bodies of water and bloodstreams it pollutes is now impossible. And, because it is so chemically stable — in fact, as far as scientists can determine, it never breaks down — C8 is expected to remain on the planet well after humans are gone from it.

C8 is in the blood of 99.7 percent of Americans, according to a 2007 analysis of data from the Centers for Disease Control. The vast majority of Americans — along with most people on the planet — now have C8 in their bodies.

Results from an engineering study the group at DuPont reviewed described two methods for reducing C8 emissions, including thermal destruction and a scrubbing system.

“None of the options developed are … economically attractive,” someone named J. A. Schmid summarized in notes from the meeting, which are marked “personal and confidential.” DuPont decided to double-down on C8, betting that somewhere down the line the company would somehow be able to “eliminate all C8 emissions in a way yet to be developed that would not economically penalize the business,” as Schmid wrote in his 1984 meeting notes.

In other words, until the cost of removing C8 was reduced to zero DuPont would not remove C8. DuPont would fix the problem only when DuPont could do it for free. That's how good businesses operate.



Over the last few years it's been hard not to notice all the bright new cancer clinics being built in my state and others. Thanks Second. What a thoroughly chilling article. I'm afraid I'm only able to read some of it - a total human disgrace.

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Wednesday, August 12, 2015 11:46 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
What a thoroughly chilling article. I'm afraid I'm only able to read some of it - a total human disgrace.

I look forward to the article's Part 2, about the lawsuits that revealed what DuPont knew about C8.

DuPont stopped dumping C8 directly into the ocean because it was cheaper to dump into the landfill and river. The sea is far away and the river flows by the chemical plant. It makes good economic sense to dump into the river and save transportation costs to the ocean. "Good economic sense" and good sense are often in conflict in America.


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:30 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by G:
What a thoroughly chilling article. I'm afraid I'm only able to read some of it - a total human disgrace.

I look forward to the article's Part 2, about the lawsuits that revealed what DuPont knew about C8.

DuPont stopped dumping C8 directly into the ocean because it was cheaper to dump into the landfill and river. The sea is far away and the river flows by the chemical plant. It makes good economic sense to dump into the river and save transportation costs to the ocean. "Good economic sense" and good sense are often in conflict in America.


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Good post TWO, what a world.


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Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:31 PM

THGRRI


Sorry, I forgot to add link to article in first post. I have fixed that.


MOSCOW -- A Russian publishing house printed a series of books about President Vladimir Putin under the names of Western analysts and journalists without the authors' permission.

"Even by Moscow standards, this is a surreal story," The Guardian's Luke Harding told UPI Tuesday. Harding joins The Economist's Edward Lucas and Donald Jensen, a U.S. based Russia expert, whom all say they had no knowledge that the Russian-language books would be attributed to them. The books were produced by the Moscow publisher Algoritm in a series called Project Putin, as reported by The Moscow Times.

But, they did not write them.

"The first I learned of my 'book' was when a Russian friend found it in a store a couple of weeks ago and tweeted me a picture. I haven't seen a hard copy. The publisher has told Russian TV and radio he got hold of the Ukrainian edition of my book Mafia State, which came out in 2014, then translated it into Russian, and published a version of it without my consent! His excuse -- 'I couldn't get hold of him.' Ridiculous," exclaimed Harding.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2015/08/11/Russian-publisher-pr
ints-books-on-Putin-under-names-of-Western-authors/2601439302100
/



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Tuesday, August 18, 2015 11:11 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Part II of story about DuPont being run by liars (or is that just a good business practice? ) is at https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/08/17/teflon-toxin-case-agains
t-dupont
/

Being a paid liar for a corporation can be your ticket into the upper class. This is how that worked for Douglas Weed:
Quote:

The deposition of a DuPont expert named Douglas Weed suggests a possible line of attack: that Bartlett, who lives just a few miles downriver from the DuPont plant, developed the cancer because she’s overweight. Or, perhaps, just by chance.

The role of luck — that two things often correlate just by chance — was a major point of Weed’s testimony, for which DuPont paid the former employee of the National Cancer Institute more than $100,000. During his deposition in March 2015, the doctor estimated that since leaving the government agency eight years ago he has made between $5 million and $6 million providing expert testimony to companies in such corporate defense cases.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, August 21, 2015 3:52 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Part III of story about DuPont being run by liars (or is that just a good business practice? ) is at https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/08/20/teflon-toxin-dupont-slip
ped-past-epa
/

Corporate "restructuring" will limit DuPont's liabilities:
Quote:

In July, DuPont spun off its chemical division into a separate company called Chemours. DuPont has promised to cover whatever settlements result from the crop of personal injury claims scheduled to come to trial in the fall. But, if they’re ever levied, cleanup costs for the C8 DuPont leaked into the larger environment, which could add up to many billions of dollars, could fall to Chemours, a much smaller company.


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, September 22, 2017 11:47 AM

THGRRI



MOSCOW -- A Russian publishing house printed a series of books about President Vladimir Putin under the names of Western analysts and journalists without the authors' permission.

"Even by Moscow standards, this is a surreal story," The Guardian's Luke Harding told UPI Tuesday. Harding joins The Economist's Edward Lucas and Donald Jensen, a U.S. based Russia expert, whom all say they had no knowledge that the Russian-language books would be attributed to them. The books were produced by the Moscow publisher Algoritm in a series called Project Putin, as reported by The Moscow Times.

But, they did not write them.

"The first I learned of my 'book' was when a Russian friend found it in a store a couple of weeks ago and tweeted me a picture. I haven't seen a hard copy. The publisher has told Russian TV and radio he got hold of the Ukrainian edition of my book Mafia State, which came out in 2014, then translated it into Russian, and published a version of it without my consent! His excuse -- 'I couldn't get hold of him.' Ridiculous," exclaimed Harding.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2015/08/11/Russian-publisher-pr
ints-books-on-Putin-under-names-of-Western-authors/2601439302100
/








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Friday, September 22, 2017 11:55 AM

6STRINGJOKER


I wonder if he's going to get royalties for it?

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Saturday, September 23, 2017 1:34 PM

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Tuesday, November 21, 2017 11:41 AM

THGRRI


I've said here that if Trump loses Fox news it's over. Well....


Fox News host Neil Cavuto took aim at President Trump on Monday, criticizing him over recent tweets and calling for him to act like the president.

Cavuto during his show brought up Trump's tweets lashing out at LaVar Ball for not giving the president enough credit in the release of UCLA basketball players, including Ball's son, detained in China.

He also referenced Trump's attacks on Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.). Trump called Flake's political career "toast" after Flake, who is not running for reelection was caught on a hot mic criticizing Trump and Alabama GOP Senate candidate Roy Moore.

"Forget about either comment not being presidential. At what point does the president see such remarks don’t even border on being human?” Cavuto said.

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/361308-fox-news-host-rips-trump-youre
-the-president-why-dont-you-act-like-it





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Tuesday, November 28, 2017 2:38 PM

THGRRI


Trump-installed consumer agency head sets hiring freeze, halts new rules

In a partisan showdown over the CFPB, which was created to crack down on predatory financial practices, Mulvaney is being sued by Leandra English, an Obama-era appointee to the agency who argues that she is the consumer bureau’s rightful leader.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-cfpb-memo/trump-installed
-consumer-agency-head-sets-hiring-freeze-halts-new-rules-idUSKBN1DR1UD



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