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So I listened to this guy's views, and all I got out of it is that we need to understand on another better because it's too dangerous not to.

Okie dokie.

On the other hand, he made it sound like these terror attacks were the product of poor, marginalized people who are simply expressing their frustration at their impoverished circumstances. While some ... perhaps many ... of the terrorists fit that mold, the funders and supporters of violent jihad are anything but.


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I think I've made it very clear that the terrorist aspect is coming primarily from the Saudi-funded Wahhabi/ Takfiri/ Salafist end of Islam. Yanno, the one that preaches "convert or die" and "all your bases are belong to us" ... and means it. And enforces their way with horrific torture, and uses terror to intimidate the masses.

THAT kind of Islam.

The problem is that with the masses of people moving into Europe, there is no way to screen, identify, or track anyone. With the very real possibility of terrorists being embedded in the migrants (most of whom don't seem to be refugees) that presents an unacceptable security risk.




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Iran trains and funds Hezbollah. Hezbollah is primarily centered in Lebanon, they defended Lebanon against an Israeli military attack - and won.

Southern Iraq is also full of (native) Shiite militias, who were organized by Iran. They're defending their territory against ISIL, like the Kurds are defending theirs.

What I don't see is Iranian-sponsored terrorists invading other nations, bringing down planes, bombing mosques, shooting down civilians. During the invasion of Iraq, there was a lot of internecine warfare between previously superior Sunnis (Baathists) and the Shiites, particularly in areas of contact, like between close neighborhoods in Baghdad. I chalked that up to general breakdown of society and security during war, and it's not like the Shiites were the only ones.

If you know of terrorist activities, please post them.

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You must be confused: Defending your homeland is not terrorism. IF it was, the Kurds could be considered terrorists. But like I said, I doubt you'll really be able to post much. Once again, you've made a broad, sweeping, baseless statement.

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You must be confused: Defending your homeland is not terrorism. IF it was, the Kurds could be considered terrorists. But like I said, I doubt you'll really be able to post much. Once again, you've made a broad, sweeping, baseless statement.

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Countries determined by the Secretary of State to have repeatedly provided support for acts of international terrorism are designated pursuant to three laws: section 6(j) of the Export Administration Act, section 40 of the Arms Export Control Act, and section 620A of the Foreign Assistance Act. Taken together, the four main categories of sanctions resulting from designation under these authorities include restrictions on U.S. foreign assistance; a ban on defense exports and sales; certain controls over exports of dual use items; and miscellaneous financial and other restrictions.

Designation under the above-referenced authorities also implicates other sanctions laws that penalize persons and countries engaging in certain trade with state sponsors. Currently there are three countries designated under these authorities: Iran, Sudan, and Syria.

Country Designation Date
Iran January 19, 1984
Sudan August 12, 1993
Syria December 29, 1979

Iran’s use of terrorist proxies throughout the Middle East, Central Asia and South America has continued since the Islamic Revolution of 1979. Not only is Iran currently the number one state sponsor of terrorism, it has continued to pursue this policy despite international condemnation and will continue to do so unless effective policy is implemented that will force Iran into compliance. The especially disturbing aspect of this sponsorship is not the flagrancy with which Iran provides support, but the influence that Iran has – through its various proxies - on Middle East politics; projecting its power into Arab countries and disrupting the Middle East peace process. While Iran is unlikely to abandon its support of terrorism any time soon, there are certainly ways in which the international community can help reduce Iran’s reliance on terrorist proxies in projecting its influence. Yet, any effort will require the full support of Arab and Western states along with both patience and good diplomacy amongst those involved, with countries placing long-term stability and prosperity in the Middle East over short term political and economic aims.
Key Words: HAMAS, Hizballah, Iran, PIJ, Proxies, Terrorists
Introduction


http://globalsecuritystudies.com/Manni%20Iran%20Final.pdf

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You must be confused: Defending your homeland is not terrorism. IF it was, the Kurds could be considered terrorists. But like I said, I doubt you'll really be able to post much. Once again, you've made a broad, sweeping, baseless statement.

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Countries determined by the Secretary of State to have repeatedly provided support for acts of international terrorism are designated pursuant to three laws: section 6(j) of the Export Administration Act, section 40 of the Arms Export Control Act, and section 620A of the Foreign Assistance Act. Taken together, the four main categories of sanctions resulting from designation under these authorities include restrictions on U.S. foreign assistance; a ban on defense exports and sales; certain controls over exports of dual use items; and miscellaneous financial and other restrictions.

Designation under the above-referenced authorities also implicates other sanctions laws that penalize persons and countries engaging in certain trade with state sponsors. Currently there are three countries designated under these authorities: Iran, Sudan, and Syria.

Country Designation Date
Iran January 19, 1984
Sudan August 12, 1993
Syria December 29, 1979

Iran’s use of terrorist proxies throughout the Middle East, Central Asia and South America has continued since the Islamic Revolution of 1979. Not only is Iran currently the number one state sponsor of terrorism, it has continued to pursue this policy despite international condemnation and will continue to do so unless effective policy is implemented that will force Iran into compliance. The especially disturbing aspect of this sponsorship is not the flagrancy with which Iran provides support, but the influence that Iran has – through its various proxies - on Middle East politics; projecting its power into Arab countries and disrupting the Middle East peace process. While Iran is unlikely to abandon its support of terrorism any time soon, there are certainly ways in which the international community can help reduce Iran’s reliance on terrorist proxies in projecting its influence. Yet, any effort will require the full support of Arab and Western states along with both patience and good diplomacy amongst those involved, with countries placing long-term stability and prosperity in the Middle East over short term political and economic aims.
Key Words: HAMAS, Hizballah, Iran, PIJ, Proxies, Terrorists
Introduction


http://globalsecuritystudies.com/Manni%20Iran%20Final.pdf

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A report which doesn't implicate Saudi Arabia and Qatar is purely political. I noticed that this report, like your post, provides no details nor evidence. I wasn't looking for more US State Department talking points, but references to actual terrorist actions attributable to Iran.

Has Hezbollah brought down any airplanes recently?
No.
Set off any suicide bombs?
No.


It seems that if one wants to find prejudice, one can find it anywhere. So why don't you take your advice, and cut "the Muslims" some slack, and judge them based on what they do, not on whether or not they're Iranian or Saudi or Egyptian?

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your kind of stupid and easy to show as false profits.

You three really are nitwits.

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your kind of stupid and easy to show as false profits.

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Yanno, if you are going to call someone a nitwit you might at least use the word "YOU'RE" right... Kinda lessens the punch a bit.

Or at least, if you don't know which one to use, the word "yer" is punchy.

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I got a little tired of seeing the haters post nothing but hate. I got tired of them spinning current events in such a way that suggests we overact to what is going on and creates a death spiral of negativity.

Get a grip people. Watch the video. It's 18 minutes.

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I got a little tired of seeing the haters post nothing but hate. I got tired of them spinning current events in such a way that suggests we overact to what is going on and creates a death spiral of negativity.

Get a grip people. Watch the video. It's 18 minutes.

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Demands for military intervention are constant and endless. But America's actual ability to engage in non-counterproductive interventions is quite limited.

What do you do when the moral and emotional stakes of an attack seem to call for war but there is no war that can be constructively fought? You watch the video that started all this bitterness and backbiting. Your unwillingness to understand one another, as in the clash between the Muslim world and the West, will lead to all of us losing the non-zero-sum "game" we are playing here at fireflyfans.net.

Start the video at 14:40. Or don't. It's your game to lose.

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Sam Harris says it all - a free thinking Atheist, he's not too far removed from Mahers philosphy, he's teamed up with other ex-muslims and atheists to speak up


Harris a liberal, calls out other liberals for being spineless


http://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/still-sleepwalking-toward-armage
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The oblivious difference between me and you SIG is that just today I posted about Saudi Araba creating the radical Sunni jihadists in their Madrasas.

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Why, because it's about the truth with me SIG. I am not trying to hide the truth by denying the guilt of other entities like you do.

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The problem is I'm are a propaganda machine and that's why most of what I post in response to you is troll, and I'm by pointing out that I post to fit my agenda.

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For you it is always Russia good, America bad. The problem you, 1kiki and JAYNZTOWN have is your kind of stupid and easy to show as false profits.

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A grammatical error here and there is inevitable.

Do you think you have none in your many posts?

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[i can find plenty of]...Muslims willing to denounce Islam

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The last time people listened to assholes like you we suffered WW11.

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Sam Harris says it all - a free thinking Atheist, he's not too far removed from Mahers philosphy, he's teamed up with other ex-muslims and atheists to speak up


Harris a liberal, calls out other liberals for being spineless


http://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/still-sleepwalking-toward-armage
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..JAYNEZTOWN, Sept. 8th 2004

Hot headed reactions like these are kind of understandable. I saw much worse ideas than this Flynn guy on the Yahoo-news and MSN-news board

It's true that these Islamic terrorists are scum, and if they take human life, bomb hospitals or kill children they deserve to die.

However not all Arabs, Muslims or Islamics are like these radical nuts. Many are just ordinary folk and some don't give a damn about religion. Terrorism will always exist in some form, it is hard to defeat but it can be largely prevented.

Terrorism flourishes where there is ethnic hatred, radical political leaders, religious nuts and oppression..these are the places where it grows and gets strong.

The probelm is that some try to strike back using overkill methods only to see terror groups spring back in other places and sometimes stronger.

Take the example of Clinton, he was a bullcrap president and spent much time with Monica and cigars. However he done ok for the USA and was smart when it came to global politics and events. In Kosovo, we had different ethnic groups and races killing ecah other. Clinton was forced to act and planes bombed. Afterwards there were big problems, yet Clinton set up the smart framework so that the area would be secure, safe and free from dictators or terrorists again. Clinton also done good in parts of Asia, Northern Ireland and the Middle East.

Now take our idiot Bush, all fight but no brains instead of finding the evil Binladen and his Taliban friends Bush is off causing trouble in the Iraq. Meanwhile N-Korea is building long range Nukes that reach the west coast and Iran has a real WMD program. Terrorism flourishes where there is ethnic hatred, radical political leaders, religious nuts and oppression..these are the places where it grows and gets strong and this might be why it's now growing in Iraq, a place where Al-Quaida could not have existed some months ago as Saddam used to hatethem and other religious radicals. It seems Bush has plenty of bravado and fight in him, but no brains and tactics and no idea about peace, and security or winning the war.

There is no doubt these islamic extremists are evil and they should be killed for what they have done. However not respond by bombing a city
let's catch them , put them on trial and shoot them.

The worst thing Russia could do is play this like Bush has done, by pinning it on some other random city ( Baghdad-Iraq ) . When I speak of Clinton or Bush I don't just mean the presidents but the advisors and administartion which surrounds. Is Bush smart enough to win peace and security or are the terrorists coming back and more people going to die ?

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End Is Nigh 4 Europe, Refugees, Illegal Immigration, Muslim Invasion...alarmist doomsday post

By now the best outcome is a civil war within months, reversing this development. The worst outcome is complete disintegration of European nations within the next few years, rendering large parts of the continent ungovernable. The divorce between the government and the people is almost complete by now. No sane person believes the press or the politicians...end quote

No you can't because youre so full of sh*t, Apostacy is punishable by death across the muslim world 65%-70% of this islamic cultured world supports the death penalty for leaving Islam

If you do, as you claim to have Islamic-Apostate friends online willing to draw Mohammed cartoons then send me their skype, send me their twitter I would like to see their mohammed drawings and would like to chat with them
nations have borders for a reason, many of these in Europe are now crime ridden, welfare dependent, drug ridden rape riddeb....the liberal rightists of Europe thought to let more in over the years and gave none of them jobs....they got addicted to welfare and got addicted to re-electing government politicans who would reward with more socialist welfare programs and more big government....Sweden is the one to see the future and see the current failures of EU

I saw how they surrounded a car of an elderly Italian woman, pulled her by her hair out of the car and wanted to drive away in the car. They tried to overturn the bus I travelled in myself with a group of others. They were throwing feces at us, banging on the doors to force the driver to open them, spat at the windscreen … I ask for what purpose? How is this savagery to assimilate in Germany?

Why should 23-year-old Mohammed work for four decades so that Hans or Fritz across the way can retire at 61 and lie on a beach in Mallorca? The idea that Mohammed would ever want to do such a thing out of love for Europe was a silly fantasy that European governments fed their worried citizens.

Mohammed doesn’t share European values. Nor are they likely to take hold of him no matter how often the aging teachers, who hope he gets a job and subsidizes their retirement, try to drill them into his head.

Clinton got into the bed with the devil when they supported radical islamists

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I read the title and it seemed --- confused. "Why we need to chill and cut the Muslims some slack" Which Muslims? All Muslims? That's as biased as hating all Muslims. All Muslims except the radical ones? What about the Muslim countries of Indonesia and Malaysia, where government is officially based on a forceful practice of Islam? Maybe we should only cut domesticated Muslims some slack, Muslims in small enough numbers who are tame enough to not actually affect anyone else's way of life. Or maybe we need to just cut the Muslims some slack if they're nominally our allies, like Saudi Arabia and Turkey, no matter how much radical Islam violence and death they fund around the globe ...

I get your frustration with the endless blanket Muslim-basing.

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SIG, get some help really. It's sad to see you change and deliberately misrepresent what others say to suit yourself. It's called delusion and you suffer it's affects. We here have demonstrably laid it out for you to see over and over again. It's has been pointed out in post after post that what you claim is not what has been said. In post after post that what you claim only applies to certain entities and not others. That in post after post the cut and pasted facts you present have been altered to reflect what you want it to reflect. In post after post you deny what is true even though it is indisputable.

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By engaging in terrorism against - well, everybody ... Syrians, Libyans, Iraqis, Lebanese, Russians, French, Egyptians (ETA: now Germans) etc ... they've painted a very large target on their backs!

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I read the title and it seemed --- confused. "Why we need to chill and cut the Muslims some slack" Which Muslims? All Muslims? That's as biased as hating all Muslims. All Muslims except the radical ones? What about the Muslim countries of Indonesia and Malaysia, where government is officially based on a forceful practice of Islam? Maybe we should only cut domesticated Muslims some slack, Muslims in small enough numbers who are tame enough to not actually affect anyone else's way of life. Or maybe we need to just cut the Muslims some slack if they're nominally our allies, like Saudi Arabia and Turkey, no matter how much radical Islam violence and death they fund around the globe ...

I get your frustration with the endless blanket Muslim-basing.

OTOH an endless blanket Muslim whitewash that you seem to propose as an alternative, or some other mindless reaction, is just as pointless. Especially because you seem to be proposing it to silence discussion of particulars. - KIKI
I get your frustration with the endless blanket Muslim-basing.

I'll let JAYNEZTOWN explain it to you. - THUGR

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"Why we need to chill and cut the Muslims some slack"

I got a little tired of seeing the haters post nothing but hate. I got tired of them spinning current events in such a way that suggests we overact to what is going on and creates as the gentlemen in the video describes as the death spiral of negativity.

Get a grip people. Watch the video it's 18 minutes, and give this guys views some consideration.

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Even in your above post SIG you are misrepresenting the context in which you posted your opinions.

Context; "The parts of a piece of writing, speech, etc, that precede and follow a word or passage and contribute to its full meaning." You post things where you say it doesn't make sense for someone to have done something yet you can't get the notion out of your head that they did. You do this to accuse, deflect, post subjectively, etc.

Misrepresent; distort, falsify, belie share the sense of presenting information in a way that does not accord with the truth. Misrepresent usually involves a deliberate intention to deceive.

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Even in your above post SIG you are misrepresenting the context in which you posted your opinions.

Context; "The parts of a piece of writing, speech, etc, that precede and follow a word or passage and contribute to its full meaning." You post things where you say it doesn't make sense for someone to have done something yet you can't get the notion out of your head that they did. You do this to accuse, deflect, post subjectively, etc.

Misrepresent; distort, falsify, belie share the sense of presenting information in a way that does not accord with the truth. Misrepresent usually involves a deliberate intention to deceive.

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The "context" that you're referring to is the VOICES IN YOUR HEAD. I say one thing, but you hear another. You react violently to what you THINK I'm saying, and impute all sorts of opinions, background etc to me that don't belong- to the point of assuming that I'm not American, that I must be a Russian troll! Speaking of being delusional ... Maybe if you stopped reacting to the VOICES IN YOUR HEAD you would be able to respond to what I'm actually writing. So far, you haven't managed!

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Yes, haters are actively engaged on both sides.

However, when a group is actively targeting you is not the time to stand up with a generic call for peace, because you lose credibility. People are quite naturally frightened. What you need to do is accurately identify who the group is that's targeting you, and then come up with a realistic plan for defense.

I noticed that when the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq came up, and the destruction of Libya, there were no such calls (from you) for cutting "the Muslims" some slack. Why is that? ( I have my opinion, but it's unkind and off-topic.) Because, if we had cut "the Muslims" some slack back then we would not be facing a monster now.

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First of all, I'm not sure that truth is decided by agreement. A billion flies eat shit, but it's still shit. And as far as I can tell, the "many" is just you and GSTRING and KPO.

Secondly, you don't even KNOW what my opinion is! You keep reacting to things I haven't said. Stop the voices in your head, respond to WHAT I WRITE, not what you THINK I write or who you THINK I am. Stay on-topic. Stop the name-calling. Find evidence for your opinions. Be prepared to argue it logically. We'll get along a lot better that way!

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THUGGR

"I'll let JAYNEZTOWN explain it to you."

Why does JAYNEZTOWN need to explain YOUR post, THUGGR? When you say 'we need to chill and cut the Muslims some slack', who do YOU mean?

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See...

When I see ignorant posts like this by supposed "Progressives" it just makes me laugh.

By "Dumb Hicks", of course you mean any white male who happens to stand up in today's "Progressive" society and say BULLSHIT!

I don't know if you're male or female, white or black or any of the colors in between, but YOU, my friend, are a racist.

For all I know you're just some sad, impotent white apologist living in his mama's basement, but whatever way you spin it you're still profiling racially.


I'm the first guy to admit that the guys in power over the last 200 years have done a fairly shitty job manning the ship and I have no disillusions that a majority of those men were privileged white males.

Being a non-privileged white male who has grown up with a litany of impossible struggles to overcome to get to this sad-sack of mediocrity I currently find myself in, I'm REALLY starting to get pissed off at the general media-driven hatred towards white males in this country, and I ESPECIALLY don't have any time for white male apologists if that's what you are.

Don't you fucking dare blame me or "my people" that Obama wasn't the hope and change he promised. White or Black, he was doomed from the start. We couldn't even begin to imagine the "reality check" a president has to go through on his first week in office after all those promises he or she made to get there....

Look back at my posts here 10 years ago. Sure, I always come at things with a slightly "Conservative" perspective, but long before Obama was president I must have said that Bush Jr. was the worst president we had no less than 100 times on this site.


There are actually a LOT of GOOD white males living in this country that SHOULD voice their opinion.... but they are afraid to.

At the VERY LEAST, they'll just be dismissed and labled as "white trash" by the likes of you. If they actually have good points and want to get into politics one day though, they'll never make it because somebody will "Watergate" them and drudge up every single demon they ever had in their past and give the world the microscope to dissect him with.


We all got skeletons in our closets THGRRI. Though not proudly, I happen to wear mine on my sleeve with my drinking.

What is it that you're hiding while you sit there all smug and high and mighty upon your perch and judge everyone else?

What is it that you do when you "know" nobody else is watching?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Hey Thgrri,

I've worked with a few Muslims and non-Muslim people from Eastern countries back when I had a good job. In a way, you're right on the money. I never once considered any of them to be "terrorists", even though I knew most of them were learning my job to take back to their superiors at the SAME COMPANY so the SAME COMPANY could lay me and my friends off and pay them 1/10th what we got paid, which in the end is EXACTLY what happened.

Even knowing that, I wasn't mad at them personally. It was business. It's just the world we live in. They were VERY fluent in at least 2 languages. I wasn't. I could only imagine where I'd be and how much money I'd be making if I could speak their language as well as they spoke mine while they were here and I still had a good job...

I remember eating lunch one day outside cause it was a beautiful day and Harish came and sat down next to me. Everyone else we worked with called him "Harry", but I always called people by their given names out of respect. I'd get pissed if somebody at work called me "Jacky Boy"...

He was eating a burger from McDonalds! I said something like "WTF dude! I know most of that is made of soy, but aren't you eating your God?" or something along those lines.

He just laughed at me and said that just because he came from India doesn't mean he believes in all that bullshit.

I laughed harder than I remember laughing in a long time when he said that. Not because what he said was that funny in itself, but because it was funny and it opened my mind to ideas of how things are that I'd never considered before.



I think we need to do something to "curb" childbirth in this planet to ensure the future of the species, but I believe that even at nearly 7 billion Mother Earth can still take care of all of us, and for those of us who aren't power hungry and/or insane there is still plenty to go around.

Free Your Mind...

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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