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The error cropped up in Volusia's 216th precinct of only 585 registered voters. A Global Election Systems (acquired by Diebold Election Systems now Premier Election Solutions) voting machine showed that 412 of those registered voters had voted. The problem was that the machine also claimed those 412 voters had somehow given Bush 2,813 votes and in addition had given Gore a negative vote count of -16,022 votes

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Bush Jr. also did remarkably well with phantom populations. The number of his votes in Perry and Cuyahoga counties in Ohio, exceeded the number of registered voters, creating turnout rates as high as 124 percent. In Miami County nearly 19,000 additional votes eerily appeared in Bush’s column after all precincts had reported. In a small conservative suburban precinct of Columbus, where only 638 people were registered, the touchscreen machines tallied 4,258 votes for Bush....

Most revealing, the discrepancies between exit polls and official tallies were never random but worked to Bush’s advantage in ten of eleven swing states that were too close to call, sometimes by as much as 9.5 percent as in New Hampshire, an unheard of margin of error for an exit poll. In Nevada, Ohio, New Mexico, and Iowa exit polls registered solid victories for Kerry, yet the official tally in each case went to Bush, a mystifying outcome.

In states that were not hotly contested the exit polls proved quite accurate. Thus exit polls in Utah predicted a Bush victory of 70.8 to 26.4 percent; the actual result was 71.1 to 26.4 percent. In Missouri, where the exit polls predicted a Bush victory of 54 to 46 percent, the final result was 53 to 46 percent.

One explanation for the strange anomalies in vote tallies was found in the widespread use of touchscreen electronic voting machines. These machines produced results that consistently favored Bush over Kerry, often in chillingly consistent contradiction to exit polls.... Verified counts are impossible because the machines leave no reliable paper trail.... In New Mexico in 2004 Kerry lost all precincts equipped with touchscreen machines, irrespective of income levels, ethnicity, and past voting patterns. ... Since the introduction of touchscreen voting, anomalous congressional election results have been increasing.

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Geijsel and Barragan compared states that used “hard paper evidence” of votes versus states that did not use paper ballots and noted “it is possible to detect irregularities in the 2016 Democratic Primaries” using this method. They also compared election results with exit polls, noting that, in 2008, voting irregularities were not at the same level as they have been in 2016.

The study authors discovered significant anomalies between election results and exit polls, where data indicated lower support for Clinton than what the actual vote tally showed. These types of discrepancies did not occur in either the Republican primaries or in the 2008 Democratic primaries.

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Have at it SIG. I am not going to discuss this with someone who doesn't understand fact from fiction. Instead I'll post this here because you and 1kiki ignored it.

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Have at it SIG. I am not going to discuss this with someone who doesn't understand fact from fiction. Instead I'll post this here because you and 1kiki ignored it.

Another story that suggests the Kremlin Orchestrated the Ukraine invasion.

"Payback? Russia Gets Hacked, Revealing Putin Aide's Secrets

A Ukrainian group calling itself Cyber Hunta has released more than a gigabyte of emails and other material from the office of one of Vladimir Putin's top aides, Vladislav Surkov, that show Russia's fingerprints all over the separatist movement in Ukraine.

While the Kremlin has denied the relationship between Moscow and the separatists, the emails show in great detail how Russia controlled virtually every detail of the separatist effort in the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine, which has torn the country apart and led to a Russian takeover of Crimea."

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/payback-russia-gets-ha
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I wondered why the Democrats didn't get on the ball after having had two elections apparently stolen from them. The only reason why not to reform the voting system from top to bottom then was to take advantage of the inherent flaws later.

It's up to each State Secretary to determine voter rolls and how the vote is taken and counted. So the State Secretary of each state can presumably throw the vote in whatever direction they choose.

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I wondered why the Democrats didn't get on the ball after having had two elections apparently stolen from them. The only reason why not to reform the voting system from top to bottom then was to take advantage of the inherent flaws later.

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In the 2000 election, how do Democrats correct what Republican Supreme Court Justices did in Florida? Or what Florida Governor Bush did for his Republican brother President Bush?

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Have at it SIG. I am not going to discuss this with someone who doesn't understand fact from fiction. Instead I'll post this here because you and 1kiki ignored it.

Another story that suggests the Kremlin Orchestrated the Ukraine invasion.

"Payback? Russia Gets Hacked, Revealing Putin Aide's Secrets

A Ukrainian group calling itself Cyber Hunta has released more than a gigabyte of emails and other material from the office of one of Vladimir Putin's top aides, Vladislav Surkov, that show Russia's fingerprints all over the separatist movement in Ukraine.

While the Kremlin has denied the relationship between Moscow and the separatists, the emails show in great detail how Russia controlled virtually every detail of the separatist effort in the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine, which has torn the country apart and led to a Russian takeover of Crimea."

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/payback-russia-gets-ha
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What do you mean, "correct for"? There's no way to undo results so far in the past, the only thing to do is to make sure it doesn't happen again.

As I've posted before, the problem with the FL vote wasn't "hanging chads", it was with electronic voting. That was where an electronic voting machine registered something like -17,000 votes for Gore.

Electronic voting (specifically touch screen) also produced votes that were widely at variance with exit polls in 2004. http://www.michaelparenti.org/stolenelections.html

But you forgot what the FL Scy State - Katherine Harris - did for Bush too. She assiduously scrubbed the voter rolls of any category of people that might possible lean Democratic.

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So, what to do?

Well, we would have to start with gerrymandering. Congress needs to pass a law, something like the Voting Rights Act, but one which applies to ALL states and which specifically addresses gerrymandering and voter registration fraud and voter roll tampering. Personally, I think these are technical issues which are easily solved with sound statistical sampling methods.

Also, I see nothing wrong with requiring picture ID in order to vote, as long as the requirement is put in place far enough in advance to allow the Secretaries of State and interested political parties the oppty to comb through their rolls and make sure that everyone has the required ID.

And personally, I believe the most secure vote is hand-written and hand-counted ballots. However, if people think that is too expensive, you need a system that uses paper ballots and which maintains an audit of each vote tally, so that the vote tallies can be audited against hand-counted tallies. None of this touch-screen bullshit. Also, Secretaries of State should be required to maintain the actual ballots for at least a year after the vote; there were too many instances in the FL vote of county or local officials tossing the paper rolls of tallies and ballots before the vote was even certified.

AND FINALLY, instead of relying on early voting, Congress should make voting day a national holiday, with paid vacation time for workers.

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FYI, when Ballot Scanners and electronic Voting were introduced, the voter had opportunity to review a printed copy of the Votes the machine recorded, to ensure it was the same votes the voter had cast. For years now, I am required to feed the ballot into the machine, with no way to determine if the machine recorded the vote accurately.

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FYI, when Ballot Scanners and electronic Voting were introduced, the voter had opportunity to review a printed copy of the Votes the machine recorded, to ensure it was the same votes the voter had cast. For years now, I am required to feed the ballot into the machine, with no way to determine if the machine recorded the vote accurately.

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The problem is, it's entirely possible to program a vote-tallying machine to record "X" when you voted "Y", but to spit out a "receipt" that says "Y" even if it counted "X". That's not a foolproof system.

That's why you need a paper ballot that can be hand-counted.

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FYI, when Ballot Scanners and electronic Voting were introduced, the voter had opportunity to review a printed copy of the Votes the machine recorded, to ensure it was the same votes the voter had cast. For years now, I am required to feed the ballot into the machine, with no way to determine if the machine recorded the vote accurately.

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The problem is, it's entirely possible to program a vote-tallying machine to record "X" when you voted "Y", but to spit out a "receipt" that says "Y" even if it counted "X". That's not a foolproof system.

That's why you need a paper ballot that can be hand-counted.

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All that being said, I think the one thing that should be done is to require a photo ID to vote. That would eliminate a lot of the potential problems, but not all of them.

At the same time, I can't stand when people bitch about voter fraud right after an election. It makes them look like crybabies. It made them look like crybabies when they were claiming it was Russia in 2016 and it makes them look like crybabies when "muh Liberals" did it in 2018.



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nkaVote Voting System

All direct recording electronic (DRE) voting machines used after January 1, 2006, must have an accessible voter-verified paper audit trail, pursuant to California Elections Code Section 19250. All voters voting on an electronic voting machine should review and verify their ballot choices on this printed paper record, prior to finalizing and casting their ballot. Once the ballot is cast, this paper record of the ballot is retained inside the voting machine as part of the election audit trail to verify the accuracy of the votes recorded. In accordance with California law, voters do not get a printed paper record of their vote choices. [But they can see it as they're marking it]
https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting-systems/oversight/voting-syste
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Four Broward Recounts Approved Amid Mystery Box Controversy; Elections Supervisor Under Fire

Update: Broward County has reportedly approved recounts in four Florida races, according to CNN. As a noon deadline on Saturday to submit the election results approached, former GOP Rep. Ron DeSantis led Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum by less than 5%, which would require a machine recount.

In the race for Senate, Gov. Rick Scott's lead over Democratic inclumbant Bill Nelson had shrunk to less than .25 percent - which would require a hand recount of all ballots unable to be tabulated by machine.

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After a Florida Judge ordered Broward County Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes to allow for the immediate inspection of tens of thousands of ballots suddenly found after Democrat Sen. Bill Nelson lost to Republican Gov. Rick Scott, Snipes failed to abide by a 7 PM deadline set at the emergency hearing. Instead, workers were filmed by Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) shuffling boxes into a truck, before he was forcibly removed by a police officer.

Earlier:

The scene was reminiscent of election night, when Broward County election officials were seen shuffling mystery boxes into a rented truck.

Gaetz vowed earlier to hold Snipes in contempt for missing the 7PM deadline.

The court was asked to intervene in a tight race for US Senate between Democratic incumbent Sen. Bill Nelson and Republican Gov. Rick Scott, after tens of thousands of ballots mysteriously appeared in Broward County, and another 15,000 in Palm Beach.

Lawyers for Snipes have argued that such a quick response would interfere with the count, while Rep. Bill Nelson has accused Republicans of trying to deny him a seat which he believes he will keep once all the votes are counted.
Rep. Bill Nelson (D-FL)

Republicans have conversely accused Democrats of trying to steal the election.

Who is Brenda Snipes?

Snipes has a sordid history in her 15-years on the job.

In May 2018 a judge ruled that she violated federal and state laws by destroying ballots in a 2016 Congressional race in Tim Canova's bid to unseat Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz in the Democratic primary race.

In August, 2018 a Judge ordered Snipes to stop opening mail-in ballots in secret.

In 2016, Snipes' office "accidentally" posted the results of an election 30 minutes before polls closed at 7 p.m., which was blamed on a private contractor.

Rep. Gaetz, meanwhile, is being called a racist for trying to figure out what exactly is going on in Broward County.

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As you are all aware, voter fraud is not a problem.

Election fraud is, and it's done in myriad ways. Not by Soros, not by Hillary Clinton.

https://www.businessinsider.com/george-soros-connection-to-voting-mach
ines-2016-10

The simple solution is to stop using voting machines, and use trustworthy methods.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Systems_%26_Software

Other methods would be redistricting to counter the Republican gerrymandering rampant in most red states, and the abolition of the "government for sale" free-for-all resulting from the Citizens United decision.

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Reaver, you're in the middle of a racist sewer. Crazies that hate America and all it stands for. The proof is in their constant attacks against all Reaver, all our democratic institutions. Time to move on buddy.

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Ever since coming to SoCal, I've noticed people are FAR more casual about their names than I ever thought possible, even with their employment records. I've even been wondering all this time how legal that is.

For some reason, a lot of Anglos here drop their first name and go by their middle name. So Jennifer Lisa Jones becomes Lisa Jones, or in a pinch J Lisa Jones. John Thomas Smith becomes Tom Smith, or J Tom Smith. A lot of Asians are assigned western names when they're naturalized, so Hwa-Di becomes Judi. And a lot of Hispanics go by their nicknames. Even last names are up for grabs, depending on who might or might not change their name after marriage, or which parent is listed on the birth certificate, or which parent the kid likes better.

Perhaps the plethora of registered voters happens because people keep re-registering under new versions of their names.

It matters more I think whether or not these people with multiple registrations actually vote multiple times under different names - and honestly, you'd have to be seriously dedicated to do that. Registration fraud in terms of multiple IDs doesn't seem to be an issue to me.

It seems it matters most of all whether or not everyone who is registered and votes is eligible.

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From the New York Times:

Results from Broward [County, Florida] so far indicate that nearly 25,000 people cast votes for governor but not for senator, even though the Senate race came first on the ballot.

Enthusiasm for Mr. Gillum’s candidacy may account for some of the difference, since he excited many voters who cared chiefly about electing him. But some Democrats believe that the design of the ballot used in the county played a role: The Senate contest appeared in the bottom left-hand corner of the first page, beneath the instructions to voters, where it may have been easily overlooked.

How frickin’ hard is it to get this right? Broward is a Democratic county, with a Democratic elections supervisor, Brenda Snipes. You’d think we’d at least be able to design a ballot that doesn’t disadvantage the Democratic candidate. On the other hand, this county has a “patchy track record” when it comes to elections.

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Broward County .. oy vey!

If you recall, Broward County was the "hanging chad" place of 2000. Apparently, they can't design a decent voting system.

A day after this year's election, somebody "suddenly" discovered boxes full of ballots. Apparently, they can't keep track of their voting materials.

Today, MORE problems are popping up in Broward County!

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Face palm. Absolute. Face. Palm.

From the New York Times:

Results from Broward [County, Florida] so far indicate that nearly 25,000 people cast votes for governor but not for senator, even though the Senate race came first on the ballot.

Enthusiasm for Mr. Gillum’s candidacy may account for some of the difference, since he excited many voters who cared chiefly about electing him. But some Democrats believe that the design of the ballot used in the county played a role: The Senate contest appeared in the bottom left-hand corner of the first page, beneath the instructions to voters, where it may have been easily overlooked.

How frickin’ hard is it to get this right? Broward is a Democratic county, with a Democratic elections supervisor, Brenda Snipes. You’d think we’d at least be able to design a ballot that doesn’t disadvantage the Democratic candidate. On the other hand, this county has a “patchy track record” when it comes to elections.

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As you are all aware, voter fraud is not a problem.

Election fraud is, and it's done in myriad ways. Not by Soros, not by Hillary Clinton.

https://www.businessinsider.com/george-soros-connection-to-voting-mach
ines-2016-10

The simple solution is to stop using voting machines, and use trustworthy methods.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Systems_%26_Software

Other methods would be redistricting to counter the Republican gerrymandering rampant in most red states, and the abolition of the "government for sale" free-for-all resulting from the Citizens United decision.

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Reaver, you're in the middle of a racist sewer. Crazies that hate America and all it stands for. The proof is in their constant attacks against all Reaver, all our democratic institutions. Time to move on buddy.

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As you are all aware, voter fraud is not a problem.

Election fraud is, and it's done in myriad ways. Not by Soros, not by Hillary Clinton.

https://www.businessinsider.com/george-soros-connection-to-voting-mach
ines-2016-10

The simple solution is to stop using voting machines, and use trustworthy methods.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Systems_%26_Software

Other methods would be redistricting to counter the Republican gerrymandering rampant in most red states, and the abolition of the "government for sale" free-for-all resulting from the Citizens United decision.

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Reaver, you're in the middle of a racist sewer. Crazies that hate America and all it stands for. The proof is in their constant attacks against all Reaver, all our democratic institutions. Time to move on buddy.

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As you are all aware, voter fraud is not a problem.

Election fraud is, and it's done in myriad ways. Not by Soros, not by Hillary Clinton.

https://www.businessinsider.com/george-soros-connection-to-voting-mach
ines-2016-10

The simple solution is to stop using voting machines, and use trustworthy methods.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Systems_%26_Software

Other methods would be redistricting to counter the Republican gerrymandering rampant in most red states, and the abolition of the "government for sale" free-for-all resulting from the Citizens United decision.

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Reaver, you're in the middle of a racist sewer. Crazies that hate America and all it stands for. The proof is in their constant attacks against all Reaver, all our democratic institutions. Time to move on buddy.

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Do Right, Be Right. :)

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As you are all aware, voter fraud is not a problem.

Election fraud is, and it's done in myriad ways. Not by Soros, not by Hillary Clinton.

https://www.businessinsider.com/george-soros-connection-to-voting-mach
ines-2016-10

The simple solution is to stop using voting machines, and use trustworthy methods.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Systems_%26_Software

Other methods would be redistricting to counter the Republican gerrymandering rampant in most red states, and the abolition of the "government for sale" free-for-all resulting from the Citizens United decision.

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Reaver, you're in the middle of a racist sewer. Crazies that hate America and all it stands for. The proof is in their constant attacks against all Reaver, all our democratic institutions. Time to move on buddy.

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As in, T is a clown and everything he types amuses me.

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But it happens everywhere, RAPPY, not just in blue districts. You're right, tho: Confusion and disorganization - where intentional- only serve those who intend to rig the vote.

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Many Native IDs Won't Be Accepted At North Dakota Polling Places

Native American groups in North Dakota are scrambling to help members acquire new addresses, and new IDs, in the few weeks remaining before Election Day — the only way that some residents will be able to vote.

This week, the Supreme Court declined to overturn North Dakota's controversial voter ID law, which requires residents to show identification with a current street address. A P.O. box does not qualify.

Many Native American reservations, however, do not use physical street addresses. Native Americans are also overrepresented in the homeless population, according to the Urban Institute. As a result, Native residents often use P.O. boxes for their mailing addresses and may rely on tribal identification that doesn't list an address.

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But it happens everywhere, RAPPY, not just in blue districts. You're right, tho: Confusion and disorganization - where intentional- only serve those who intend to rig the vote.

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I would like to hear about one of these Fake Vote Manufacturing facilities in a District with non-D Election Officers.
Can you name one?
Or is this your imagination?

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Broward County is doing its usual Dem cluster-fucky "election". Either those people are completely incompetent and can't run a straightforward election, or they're rigging the vote. Either way, the elections officials should be fired, investigated and - if applicable- convicted.

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Four Broward Recounts Approved Amid Mystery Box Controversy; Elections Supervisor Under Fire

Update: Broward County has reportedly approved recounts in four Florida races, according to CNN. As a noon deadline on Saturday to submit the election results approached, former GOP Rep. Ron DeSantis led Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum by less than 5%, which would require a machine recount.

In the race for Senate, Gov. Rick Scott's lead over Democratic inclumbant Bill Nelson had shrunk to less than .25 percent - which would require a hand recount of all ballots unable to be tabulated by machine.

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After a Florida Judge ordered Broward County Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes to allow for the immediate inspection of tens of thousands of ballots suddenly found after Democrat Sen. Bill Nelson lost to Republican Gov. Rick Scott, Snipes failed to abide by a 7 PM deadline set at the emergency hearing. Instead, workers were filmed by Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) shuffling boxes into a truck, before he was forcibly removed by a police officer.

Earlier:

The scene was reminiscent of election night, when Broward County election officials were seen shuffling mystery boxes into a rented truck.

Gaetz vowed earlier to hold Snipes in contempt for missing the 7PM deadline.

The court was asked to intervene in a tight race for US Senate between Democratic incumbent Sen. Bill Nelson and Republican Gov. Rick Scott, after tens of thousands of ballots mysteriously appeared in Broward County, and another 15,000 in Palm Beach.

Lawyers for Snipes have argued that such a quick response would interfere with the count, while Rep. Bill Nelson has accused Republicans of trying to deny him a seat which he believes he will keep once all the votes are counted.
Rep. Bill Nelson (D-FL)

Republicans have conversely accused Democrats of trying to steal the election.

Who is Brenda Snipes?

Snipes has a sordid history in her 15-years on the job.

In May 2018 a judge ruled that she violated federal and state laws by destroying ballots in a 2016 Congressional race in Tim Canova's bid to unseat Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz in the Democratic primary race.

In August, 2018 a Judge ordered Snipes to stop opening mail-in ballots in secret.

In 2016, Snipes' office "accidentally" posted the results of an election 30 minutes before polls closed at 7 p.m., which was blamed on a private contractor.

Rep. Gaetz, meanwhile, is being called a racist for trying to figure out what exactly is going on in Broward County.

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There's a lot more ways to rig the vote without "finding" ballots. Use your imagination!

Hacked electronic voting/ vote counting. (R)
Katherine Harris and her OBVIOUS manipulation of voter rolls. (R)
Threatening-looking "security" people patrolling the voting area. (D)
Non-valid voter registration (Project Acorn, anyone?)

Or the latest: Last-minute changes to voter ID requirements. Specifically a Republican effort in N Dakota:

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Native American groups in North Dakota are scrambling to help members acquire new addresses, and new IDs, in the few weeks remaining before Election Day — the only way that some residents will be able to vote.

This week, the Supreme Court declined to overturn North Dakota's controversial voter ID law, which requires residents to show identification with a current street address. A P.O. box does not qualify.

Many Native American reservations, however, do not use physical street addresses. Native Americans are also overrepresented in the homeless population, according to the Urban Institute. As a result, Native residents often use P.O. boxes for their mailing addresses and may rely on tribal identification that doesn't list an address.

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This not only discriminates against homeless people and Native Americans, it discriminates against ANYONE who lives in the deep country, where homes don't always have street addresses.

I'm all for secure, properly ID'd, FAIR voting. But disenfranchising people like this just stinks.

Neither party plays fair. Except for in CA, where boundaries are drawn by a non-partisan commission, voting has seldom been reformed.

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The remaining states -- Alaska, Arizona, California, Idaho, Montana, and Washington -- all draw both state and federal districts using an independent commission, with regulations limiting direct participation by elected officials ... Members of these commissions are neither legislators nor public officials. Each state also bans commissioners from running for office in the districts they draw, at least for a few years after the commission finishes its work.

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Broward County is doing its usual Dem cluster-fucky "election". Either those people are completely incompetent and can't run a straightforward election, or they're rigging the vote. Either way, the elections officials should be fired, investigated and - if applicable- convicted.

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Four Broward Recounts Approved Amid Mystery Box Controversy; Elections Supervisor Under Fire

Update: Broward County has reportedly approved recounts in four Florida races, according to CNN. As a noon deadline on Saturday to submit the election results approached, former GOP Rep. Ron DeSantis led Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum by less than 5%, which would require a machine recount.

In the race for Senate, Gov. Rick Scott's lead over Democratic inclumbant Bill Nelson had shrunk to less than .25 percent - which would require a hand recount of all ballots unable to be tabulated by machine.

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After a Florida Judge ordered Broward County Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes to allow for the immediate inspection of tens of thousands of ballots suddenly found after Democrat Sen. Bill Nelson lost to Republican Gov. Rick Scott, Snipes failed to abide by a 7 PM deadline set at the emergency hearing. Instead, workers were filmed by Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) shuffling boxes into a truck, before he was forcibly removed by a police officer.

Earlier:

The scene was reminiscent of election night, when Broward County election officials were seen shuffling mystery boxes into a rented truck.

Gaetz vowed earlier to hold Snipes in contempt for missing the 7PM deadline.

The court was asked to intervene in a tight race for US Senate between Democratic incumbent Sen. Bill Nelson and Republican Gov. Rick Scott, after tens of thousands of ballots mysteriously appeared in Broward County, and another 15,000 in Palm Beach.

Lawyers for Snipes have argued that such a quick response would interfere with the count, while Rep. Bill Nelson has accused Republicans of trying to deny him a seat which he believes he will keep once all the votes are counted.
Rep. Bill Nelson (D-FL)

Republicans have conversely accused Democrats of trying to steal the election.

Who is Brenda Snipes?

Snipes has a sordid history in her 15-years on the job.

In May 2018 a judge ruled that she violated federal and state laws by destroying ballots in a 2016 Congressional race in Tim Canova's bid to unseat Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz in the Democratic primary race.

In August, 2018 a Judge ordered Snipes to stop opening mail-in ballots in secret.

In 2016, Snipes' office "accidentally" posted the results of an election 30 minutes before polls closed at 7 p.m., which was blamed on a private contractor.

Rep. Gaetz, meanwhile, is being called a racist for trying to figure out what exactly is going on in Broward County.

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Well, that's the dog-whistle that liberaoids respond to: RACISM!

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