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There is NO DIFFERENCE between the KKK, White Supremacists, and Nazi's

POSTED BY: WISHIMAY
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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 4:30 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


They ALL have the same goal, to establish dominance through subjugation or death of other races. They currently prefer subjugation because there is money to be made from subjugation. As a group, it was more profitable to exterminate during WW1 and WW2. When a large enough group gets together and gets jealous enough of another group and what it is perceived to have, it will swing round again, just like it has done in different forms all over the world since time immemorial.

Different names, same group. They ALL use intimidation tactics. They ALL use violence. They would ALL like to see violence done on a larger scale. White supremacists claim they are not violent, but are often in reality just as violent.

Just like any Muslim who believes that all other religions should be wiped out IS AN EXTREMIST, all white people who believe they are superior based on race are extremists. Those who commit violence on behalf of those beliefs are Nazi's because the methodology and ideology are the same. They don't even have to wear the shirts or patches or like Hitler (though many do.) Many that do would not advertise it in open conpany.

6ix, you don't even read or watch the news, so how do you know how much cross burning, spray painting, brick throwing, beating up these people do? You think they don't exist BUT YOU DON'T EVEN LOOK FOR IT, EITHER.



I do, so I know you can find an article about some form of white based violence at least one a week in this country. I also know from experience that is a small fraction of *ACTUAL INCIDENTS. Many never get reported.


BOTTOM LINE. IF YOU THINK YOU ARE SUPERIOR BECAUSE OF THE DNA YOU HAD NO CHOICE IN RECIEVING AT BIRTH... YOU ARE A FRELLING IDIOT.


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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 4:57 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh good lord, WISHY, you manage to be both stupid and irrelevant.

WHO THE FUCK CARES what you name a group? It's what they DO that counts. If it's criminal, charge them and lock them up in jail. I don't care if its the KKK, Antifa, or the JDL.

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THEN WHY DO YOU CARE THAT I CARE WHAT THEY ARE CALLED??- WISHY
I don't, really. I care so little I decided to not even bump this thread.

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Calling them Nazi's gives them the negative connotation that they inspire.
Why would you have a problem with THAT? - WISHY

Well, it's inaccurate.

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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581

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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 5:58 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


THEN WHY DO YOU CARE THAT I CARE WHAT THEY ARE CALLED??


Calling them Nazi's gives them the negative connotation that they inspire.
Why would you have a problem with THAT?

Humans tend to name things. Humans tend to categorize. How stupid are YOU to think that is a problem??

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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 8:14 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, it's inaccurate.




If the negative publicity helps stop others from joining up, I fail to see where the hair being split is of importance.

Being "anti-labeling" is inefficient. I'd personally like to label them "dumb narcissist fucks" but "Nazi" is about as media friendly as we can get.

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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 8:32 PM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


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Originally posted by Wishimay:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, it's inaccurate.




If the negative publicity helps stop others from joining up, I fail to see where the hair being split is of importance.

Being "anti-labeling" is inefficient. I'd personally like to label them "dumb narcissist fucks" but "Nazi" is about as media friendly as we can get.



"Nazi" is great branding. Short, unique, has a ring that is memorable and harsh - perfect for them. Sick world.

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By the way, SIGHEIL, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... Let's test your honesty and powers of observation. My guess is you will conveniently leave some people out and also mistakenly *cough* lie *cough* about others. Do make sure you include how you hate Liberals and Democrats..*

And voila! Here it is: http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61855&p=6

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Wednesday, August 23, 2017 12:47 AM

6STRINGJOKER


When everybody is a Nazi, nobody is a Nazi...

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Wednesday, August 23, 2017 3:05 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I beg to differ...wasn't it a certain Orange President that made a Big Stink about actually saying the words "radical Islamic terrorist?"

Besides, wasn't it the great Herbert L. Block that once said:
"You can't tell the players without a scorecard."

Quote:

"I'd call it an idiom, and I'd use it to describe a scene of confusion involving many different people, a scene in which something is being accomplished because the players know their roles thoroughly but in which the outsider is totally confused from his lack of understanding the process."

The above was submitted by an online contributor named CalifJim, circa May 25, 2005 regarding the above phrase.



I think, in this context, that it fits this little discussion.


SGG


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh good lord, WISHY, you manage to be both stupid and irrelevant.

WHO THE FUCK CARES what you name a group? It's what they DO that counts. If it's criminal, charge them and lock them up in jail. I don't care if its the KKK, Antifa, or the JDL.

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THEN WHY DO YOU CARE THAT I CARE WHAT THEY ARE CALLED??- WISHY
I don't, really. I care so little I decided to not even bump this thread.

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Calling them Nazi's gives them the negative connotation that they inspire.
Why would you have a problem with THAT? - WISHY

Well, it's inaccurate.

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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581


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Wednesday, August 23, 2017 3:41 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


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Just like any Muslim who believes that all other religions should be wiped out IS AN EXTREMIST, all white people who believe they are superior based on race are extremists. Those who commit violence on behalf of those beliefs are Nazi's because the methodology and ideology are the same. They don't even have to wear the shirts or patches or like Hitler (though many do.) Many that do would not advertise it in open conpany.


I think I'm beginning to understand...

We're talking about racists, aren't we?

Quote:

rac-ist (noun)

a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.



Truly, what difference does it make what you call the motherfucker who's beating your ass. He (she) still thinks he's better than; and so we give those oppressing bastards a name (see what I did there?). I just labeled them "oppressing bastards" whether they wear white sheets, black tie and tails or a big ol' red X. It doesn't matter because it sucks being on the receiving end.

So, I really don't care if I hurt their little feelings. SO WHAT! But here's something I told my son when he was being bullied in school (as he describe that his tormentor was calling him and his mother names) at the ripe old age of ten:

"So what! He called you a name. Whatever it was, was it true? No, right!
Whatever he said about your mom, was it true? Of course not, they're just fucking with you to see what bothers you. Fuck him! As long as he doesn't lay hands on you or your family, let them say whatever they want. Say to them when they finish; "You done" even yawn.

Like I said 'stick and stones.' But if they touch you, you have a right to defend yourself. If they are bigger than you, pick up something and whack them with it you as hard as you can. Go all crazy on them. Then they won't fuck with you anymore. If I ever hear that you started it, I will spank you in front of everybody, so don't start anything. So I know that if the principal of the school calls me and says you were fighting, I will say that if you were fighting it was in self defense.

(The above is paraphrased, in case you were wondering if I cursed in front of my child. No, and he never cursed in front of me until he was in college).


SGG

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Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:24 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Yep. It sounds like they are all factions of Democrats, liberals, and radicals, intolerant as always.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:26 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
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Just like any Muslim who believes that all other religions should be wiped out IS AN EXTREMIST, all white people who believe they are superior based on race are extremists. Those who commit violence on behalf of those beliefs are Nazi's because the methodology and ideology are the same. They don't even have to wear the shirts or patches or like Hitler (though many do.) Many that do would not advertise it in open conpany.
I think I'm beginning to understand...

We're talking about racists, aren't we?
Quote:

rac-ist (noun)

a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Truly, what difference does it make what you call the motherfucker who's beating your ass. He (she) still thinks he's better than; and so we give those oppressing bastards a name (see what I did there?). I just labeled them "oppressing bastards" whether they wear white sheets, black tie and tails or a big ol' red X. It doesn't matter because it sucks being on the receiving end.

SGG

that looks like one of those revised definitions of "racist" made by and for illiterates. Where did you find that?

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Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:27 AM

6STRINGJOKER


So have we gotten all of this bullshit out of our systems yet?

I'm just wondering if we can stop calling everybody a Nazi and just agree that hurting or killing other people is bad and move on, or if we're just going to keep this up until the next big MSM story takes our attention elsewhere.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2017 12:10 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
When everybody is a Nazi, nobody is a Nazi...

The Nazis are easily identified.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2017 12:11 PM

REAVERFAN


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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
So have we gotten all of this bullshit out of our systems yet?

I'm just wondering if we can stop calling everybody a Nazi and just agree that hurting or killing other people is bad and move on, or if we're just going to keep this up until the next big MSM story takes our attention elsewhere.

I'd go with "cunt," but you really are into your white supremacist Nazi bullshit, so I'll keep calling you what you are: A godddamned Nazi.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2017 12:23 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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When everybody is a Nazi, nobody is a Nazi... - SIX

The Nazis are easily identified. -REAVERFAN



Yanno, MR_REAVER, there are only a few people here that I would consider to be Nazi-like, and you're one of them. Until you disavow your statement of people-eradication, that is.



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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581

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Wednesday, August 23, 2017 1:50 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
I'd go with "cunt," but you really are into your white supremacist Nazi bullshit, so I'll keep calling you what you are: A godddamned Nazi.



My bullshit? I don't talk about it. You bring it up with every post.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2017 3:04 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
So have we gotten all of this bullshit out of our systems yet?

I'm just wondering if we can stop calling everybody a Nazi and just agree that hurting or killing other people is bad and move on, or if we're just going to keep this up until the next big MSM story takes our attention elsewhere.

I think it has been Wishi that has been on a little kick regarding group identity and name-calling or bullying. I've been watching with curious interest and she hasn't lost steam yet, but the success rate hasn't been promising. The concept just doesn't take so far with the worst offenders.
I don't see any reason yet for her to give up.

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Tuesday, August 29, 2017 6:16 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
They ALL have the same goal, to establish dominance through subjugation or death of other races. They currently prefer subjugation because there is money to be made from subjugation. As a group, it was more profitable to exterminate during WW1 and WW2. When a large enough group gets together and gets jealous enough of another group and what it is perceived to have, it will swing round again, just like it has done in different forms all over the world since time immemorial.

Different names, same group. They ALL use intimidation tactics. They ALL use violence. They would ALL like to see violence done on a larger scale. White supremacists claim they are not violent, but are often in reality just as violent.

Just like any Muslim who believes that all other religions should be wiped out IS AN EXTREMIST, all white people who believe they are superior based on race are extremists. Those who commit violence on behalf of those beliefs are Nazi's because the methodology and ideology are the same. They don't even have to wear the shirts or patches or like Hitler (though many do.) Many that do would not advertise it in open conpany.

6ix, you don't even read or watch the news, so how do you know how much cross burning, spray painting, brick throwing, beating up these people do? You think they don't exist BUT YOU DON'T EVEN LOOK FOR IT, EITHER.



I do, so I know you can find an article about some form of white based violence at least one a week in this country. I also know from experience that is a small fraction of *ACTUAL INCIDENTS. Many never get reported.


BOTTOM LINE. IF YOU THINK YOU ARE SUPERIOR BECAUSE OF THE DNA YOU HAD NO CHOICE IN RECIEVING AT BIRTH... YOU ARE A FRELLING IDIOT.



Yep, Socialists, Democrats, Liberal enforcers, all the same.

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Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:33 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:



Yep, Socialists, Democrats, Liberal enforcers, all the same.




YES, THEY ARE ALL THE SAME IN THAT THEY ARE ALL MOSTLY NON-VIOLENT.




Respond to the chart, IF you can read, that is.

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Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:06 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Were you dropped on your head several times and fed mercury as a child?

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that looks like one of those revised definitions of "racist" made by and for illiterates. Where did you find that?


Who comes up with this bile? Ya know, it's funny how you identified it as written for illiterates!

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...all white people who believe they are superior based on race are extremists.


Bears repeating.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:

Just like any Muslim who believes that all other religions should be wiped out IS AN EXTREMIST, all white people who believe they are superior based on race are extremists. Those who commit violence on behalf of those beliefs are Nazi's because the methodology and ideology are the same. They don't even have to wear the shirts or patches or like Hitler (though many do.) Many that do would not advertise it in open conpany.


I think I'm beginning to understand...

We're talking about racists, aren't we?

Quote:

rac-ist (noun)

a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.



Truly, what difference does it make what you call the motherfucker who's beating your ass. He (she) still thinks he's better than; and so we give those oppressing bastards a name (see what I did there?). I just labeled them "oppressing bastards" whether they wear white sheets, black tie and tails or a big ol' red X. It doesn't matter because it sucks being on the receiving end.

So, I really don't care if I hurt their little feelings. SO WHAT! But here's something I told my son when he was being bullied in school (as he describe that his tormentor was calling him and his mother names) at the ripe old age of ten:

"So what! He called you a name. Whatever it was, was it true? No, right!
Whatever he said about your mom, was it true? Of course not, they're just fucking with you to see what bothers you. Fuck him! As long as he doesn't lay hands on you or your family, let them say whatever they want. Say to them when they finish; "You done" even yawn.

Like I said 'stick and stones.' But if they touch you, you have a right to defend yourself. If they are bigger than you, pick up something and whack them with it you as hard as you can. Go all crazy on them. Then they won't fuck with you anymore. If I ever hear that you started it, I will spank you in front of everybody, so don't start anything. So I know that if the principal of the school calls me and says you were fighting, I will say that if you were fighting it was in self defense.

(The above is paraphrased, in case you were wondering if I cursed in front of my child. No, and he never cursed in front of me until he was in college).


SGG

that looks like one of those revised definitions of "racist" made by and for illiterates. Where did you find that?


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Thursday, August 31, 2017 7:18 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Thanks for reminding me that I hadn't finished editing my post.
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
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Just like any Muslim who believes that all other religions should be wiped out IS AN EXTREMIST, all white people who believe they are superior based on race are extremists. Those who commit violence on behalf of those beliefs are Nazi's because the methodology and ideology are the same. They don't even have to wear the shirts or patches or like Hitler (though many do.) Many that do would not advertise it in open conpany.
I think I'm beginning to understand...

We're talking about racists, aren't we?
Quote:

rac-ist (noun)

a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Truly, what difference does it make what you call the motherfucker who's beating your ass. He (she) still thinks he's better than; and so we give those oppressing bastards a name (see what I did there?). I just labeled them "oppressing bastards" whether they wear white sheets, black tie and tails or a big ol' red X. It doesn't matter because it sucks being on the receiving end.

SGG

that looks like one of those revised definitions of "racist" made by and for illiterates. Where did you find that?

Who comes up with this bile? Ya know, it's funny how you identified it as written for illiterates!

Looks like you got that from wiki.
You'd be better served using the Merriam Webster definition, a bit.

3 parts to that definition you posted - 3 separate concepts, but globbed together indistinctly.
1. Prejudice. (To Pre-Judge)
2. Discrimination. (discern or treat unequally)
3. Belief in superiority.

#3: it would seem that a belief in superiority based solely upon racial composition is clear-cut enough that everyone might agree. Can't think of any group which would disagree.

So that leaves #1 and #2 to be unglobbed.
Some decades ago I learned that some Public Schools had started changing word definitions such that Prejudice and Discrimination were the exact same word instead of two different words with different meanings. This confusion was created to belie the meaning of racism.

#2: when I discern or discriminate at the grocery store for my food purchases it's to get a good deal on the food based upon prices and quality - and avoiding blind allegiance to any mantra that "all food is equal" which some people do subscribe to.
But to discriminate for or against person(s) based purely upon perceived or assumed racial makeup is unfair and also illegal and immoral, unethical.

#1: Prejudice, or pre-judging, is an evolutionary instinct ingrained through thousands of generations of every living creature with a brain (and some without).
If you are moseying down the sidewalk and see an approaching tiger, is your first instinct to go pet the giant kitty and help it get back to the nearest zoo - or to seek protective shelter for you and yours? Perhaps your child might pick the former. But if adult you opts for the former, Darwinism will remove you from the gene pool in favor of those selecting the latter option. This is prejudice. It cannot be irradicated without rewiring the brain (and rendering humans defenseless, insipid, unviable).
By not letting your prejudice control you, and choosing to override your instinct, you can determine other options or courses of action, but the prejudice will still be present as a result of evolution.
When a little birdy or mouse encounters a human or cat, is it's first prejudicial reaction an urge to get petted?
Prejudice cannot be deleted from the human condition except by removal of key portions of the brain.
Those who try to redefine racism as equal to prejudice are claiming that racism is an inherent part of the mind, that racism is a natural function of the cerebrum, that racism is an evolutionary certainty which cannot be changed or reversed without changing the rational state of human beings. I most certainly disagree with this defeatist view of racism and racial interaction, and I would hope that you would too, as well as any other reasonable and rational person. Do not feed the ingorance of racists by succumbing to their chosen illiteracy.
Prejudice will always exist and cannot be legislated away. Exercising Discrimination based upon that prejudice is were the cerebral choice lies, where the connection leading to racism can be broken, and where the separation between hereditary instinct and irrational racism must be brokered, enforced, legislated.
Prejudice cannot be made illegal any more than sexual libido, but that won't stop racists and illiterates from trying.

I would hope that you take care to not continue to confuse Prejudice with Discrimination, and encourage others to do the same.

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Friday, September 1, 2017 1:03 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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When everybody is a Nazi, nobody is a Nazi... - SIX

The Nazis are easily identified. -REAVERFAN

Yanno, MR_REAVER, there are only a few people here that I would consider to be Nazi-like, and you're one of them. Until you disavow your statement of people-eradication, that is.

That seems unlikely to happen.

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Friday, September 1, 2017 1:39 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

When everybody is a Nazi, nobody is a Nazi... - SIX

The Nazis are easily identified. -REAVERFAN



Yanno, MR_REAVER, there are only a few people here that I would consider to be Nazi-like, and you're one of them. Until you disavow your statement of people-eradication, that is.



-----------
By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581
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Sorry, dupe.

You love and adore the alt-right murderers who terrorized Charlottesville. Antifa, OTOH, SAVED lives.

They are polar opposites: Nazis remain murderous terrorists, while Antifa remain lifesaving, freedom saving heroes.

You've repeatedly demonstrated that you're a brainwashed dupe who reads reichwing propaganda and lies and calls it "news." You can't tell a Nazi from a hero. You're a parody of yourself.

http://www.alternet.org/activism/why-its-just-bonkers-compare-fascists
-activists-trying-stop-them

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Friday, September 1, 2017 2:16 PM

REAVERFAN


Oh, look. More Antifa helping people and saving lives:

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/41803-antifa-and-leftists-organize-
mutual-aid-and-rescue-networks-in-houston


What are the Nazis doing, besides cheering whenever a black or brown person dies?

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Saturday, September 2, 2017 3:49 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


While that terrible racist Trump is doing nothing!

sarcasm, btw




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Sunday, September 3, 2017 11:30 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:



Yep, Socialists, Democrats, Liberal enforcers, all the same.




YES, THEY ARE ALL THE SAME IN THAT THEY ARE ALL MOSTLY NON-VIOLENT.




Respond to the chart, IF you can read, that is.



Islamic attacks account for 24% of domestic murders, yet the Muslim population of America hovers around 1% of Americans.

That makes sense.




That chart is BS, BTW...

I'm willing to bet 99% of the 762 murderers in Chicago in 2016 were not Republican. What does "extremism" even mean?

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Monday, September 4, 2017 12:12 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Yep, Socialists, Democrats, Liberal enforcers, all the same.

YES, THEY ARE ALL THE SAME IN THAT THEY ARE ALL MOSTLY NON-VIOLENT.




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Respond to the chart, IF you can read, that is.

Islamic attacks account for 24% of domestic murders, yet the Muslim population of America hovers around 1% of Americans.

That makes sense.


That chart is BS, BTW...

I'm willing to bet 99% of the 762 murderers in Chicago in 2016 were not Republican. What does "extremism" even mean?

Perhaps you have forgotten how Libtard statistics are compiled.
When Muslim Terrorists or Liberal Career Criminal Gangmutts use bullets for their peaceful murders, the guns are the perpetrators, and guns are categorized as right wing.

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Wednesday, September 6, 2017 3:56 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


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Looks like you got that from wiki.
You'd be better served using the Merriam Webster definition, a bit.



No, But I did look up the word racist in Merriam-Webster's (Since 1828); I am about to "unglob" the definition(s):

First of all, I searched for racist and it gave me the definition of racism:

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1. a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capabilities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2. a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
a political or social system founded on racism

3. racial prejudice or discrimination



...or maybe not; it seems that Webster's is the culprit for "globbing" together those three little words that pinpoint the meaning of "racism."

Perhaps if I search the words prejudice and discrimination. Maybe that will do the trick? Hmm!

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prejudice:

1. injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights; especially: detriment to one's legal rights or claims

2. preconceived judgment or opinion. An adverse opinion or leaning formed without grounds or before sufficient knowledge. An instance of such judgment or opinion. An irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics



Notice that it states: An irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race

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discrimination:

1. the act of making or perceiving a difference: the act of discriminating
psychology: the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect
are responded to differently

2. the quality or power of finely distinguishing

3. the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually
prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action or treatment
(racial discrimination)



There you have it. Nothing more needs to be said.


SGG


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Your quote below:

3 parts to that definition you posted - 3 separate concepts, but globbed together indistinctly.
1. Prejudice. (To Pre-Judge)
2. Discrimination. (discern or treat unequally)
3. Belief in superiority.

#3: it would seem that a belief in superiority based solely upon racial composition is clear-cut enough that everyone might agree. Can't think of any group which would disagree.

So that leaves #1 and #2 to be unglobbed.
Some decades ago I learned that some Public Schools had started changing word definions such that Prejudice and Discrimination were the exact same word instead of two different words with different meanings. This confusion was created to belie the meaning of racism.

#2: when I discern or discriminate at the grocery store for my food purchases it's to get a good deal on the food based upon prices and quality - and avoiding blind allegiance to any mantra that "all food is equal" which some people do subscribe to.
But to discriminate for or against person(s) based purely upon perceived or assumed racial makeup is unfair and also illegal and immoral, unethical.

#1: Prejudice, or pre-judging, is an evolutionary instinct ingrained through thousands of generations of every living creature with a brain (and some without).
If you are moseying down the sidewalk and see an approaching tiger, is your first instinct to go pet the giant kitty and help it get back to the nearest zoo - or to seek protective shelter for you and yours? Perhaps your child might pick the former. But if adult you opts for the former, Darwinism will remove you from the gene pool in favor of those selecting the latter option. This is prejudice. It cannot be irradicated without rewiring the brain (and rendering humans defenseless, insipid, unviable).
By not letting your prejudice control you, and choosing to override your instinct, you can determine other options or courses of action, but the prejudice will still be present as a result of evolution.
When a little birdy or mouse encounters a human or cat, is it's first prejudicial reaction an urge to get petted?
Prejudice cannot be deleted from the human condition except by removal of key portions of the brain.
Those who try to redefine racism as equal to prejudice are claiming that racism is an inherent part of the mind, that racism is a natural function of the cerebrum, that racism is an evolutionary certainty which cannot be changed or reversed without changing the rational state of human beings. I most certainly disagree with this defeatist view of racism and racial interaction, and I would hope that you would too, as well as any other reasonable and rational person. Do not feed the ingorance of racists by succumbing to their chosen illiteracy.
Prejudice will always exist and cannot be legislated away. Exercising Discrimination based upon that prejudice is were the cerebral choice lies, where the connection leading to racism can be broken, and where the separation between hereditary instinct and irrational racism must be brokered, enforced, legislated.
Prejudice cannot be made illegal any more than sexual libido, but that won't stop racists and illiterates from trying.

I would hope that you take care to not continue to confuse Prejudice with Discrimination, and encourage others to do the same.



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Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:15 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


You waited long enough to reply that my linkies got deleted.
Not sure if you are trying to disagree, or if you caught on.
I'll try to help with clarification.
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
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Looks like you got that from wiki.
You'd be better served using the Merriam Webster definition, a bit.

No, But I did look up the word racist in Merriam-Webster's (Since 1828); I am about to "unglob" the definition(s):

First of all, I searched for racist and it gave me the definition of racism:
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1. a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capabilities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

That is the same as #3 from wiki, and my discussion.
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2.

correction: this is definition 2.a.
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a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles

correction: this is definition 2.b.
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a political or social system founded on racism

using the defined term twice within the definition of the term? That hardly seems like a historically refined entry, more like a poorly revised redefinition.
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3. racial prejudice or discrimination
...or maybe not; it seems that Webster's is the culprit for "globbing" together those three little words that pinpoint the meaning of "racism."

You mean the 2 words.
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is
Perhaps if I search the words prejudice and discrimination. Maybe that will do the trick? Hmm!
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prejudice:

1.


this #1 is a Judicial or Legal definition, not applicable here
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2. preconceived judgment or opinion. An adverse opinion or leaning formed without grounds or before sufficient knowledge. An instance of such judgment or opinion. An irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics
Notice that it states: An irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race

Yes, you are effectively repeating what I explained: an instinct, devoid of reason or rationality
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discrimination:

1. the act of making or perceiving a difference: the act of discriminating
psychology: the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect
are responded to differently

2. the quality or power of finely distinguishing

3. the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually
prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action or treatment
(racial discrimination)


1 and 2 are effectively what I explained using grocery anecdote. #3 is what I explained as the act of controlling, or not, the reaction to the instinctual characteristic of prejudice.
So are we on the same page?
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There you have it. Nothing more needs to be said.

SGG
Quote:

Your quote below:

3 parts to that definition you posted - 3 separate concepts, but globbed together indistinctly.
1. Prejudice. (To Pre-Judge)
2. Discrimination. (discern or treat unequally)
3. Belief in superiority.

#3: it would seem that a belief in superiority based solely upon racial composition is clear-cut enough that everyone might agree. Can't think of any group which would disagree.

So that leaves #1 and #2 to be unglobbed.
Some decades ago I learned that some Public Schools had started changing word definitons such that Prejudice and Discrimination were the exact same word instead of two different words with different meanings. This confusion was created to belie the meaning of racism.

#2: when I discern or discriminate at the grocery store for my food purchases it's to get a good deal on the food based upon prices and quality - and avoiding blind allegiance to any mantra that "all food is equal" which some people do subscribe to.
But to discriminate for or against person(s) based purely upon perceived or assumed racial makeup is unfair and also illegal and immoral, unethical.

#1: Prejudice, or pre-judging, is an evolutionary instinct ingrained through thousands of generations of every living creature with a brain (and some without).
If you are moseying down the sidewalk and see an approaching tiger, is your first instinct to go pet the giant kitty and help it get back to the nearest zoo - or to seek protective shelter for you and yours? Perhaps your child might pick the former. But if adult you opts for the former, Darwinism will remove you from the gene pool in favor of those selecting the latter option. This is prejudice. It cannot be irradicated without rewiring the brain (and rendering humans defenseless, insipid, unviable).
By not letting your prejudice control you, and choosing to override your instinct, you can determine other options or courses of action, but the prejudice will still be present as a result of evolution.
When a little birdy or mouse encounters a human or cat, is it's first prejudicial reaction an urge to get petted?
Prejudice cannot be deleted from the human condition except by removal of key portions of the brain.
Those who try to redefine racism as equal to prejudice are claiming that racism is an inherent part of the mind, that racism is a natural function of the cerebrum, that racism is an evolutionary certainty which cannot be changed or reversed without changing the rational state of human beings. I most certainly disagree with this defeatist view of racism and racial interaction, and I would hope that you would too, as well as any other reasonable and rational person. Do not feed the ingorance of racists by succumbing to their chosen illiteracy.
Prejudice will always exist and cannot be legislated away. Exercising Discrimination based upon that prejudice is were the cerebral choice lies, where the connection leading to racism can be broken, and where the separation between hereditary instinct and irrational racism must be brokered, enforced, legislated.
Prejudice cannot be made illegal any more than sexual libido, but that won't stop racists and illiterates from trying.

I would hope that you take care to not continue to confuse Prejudice with Discrimination, and encourage others to do the same.



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Wednesday, September 6, 2017 8:06 AM

6STRINGJOKER


More blacks are killed by blacks than any other race. By a factor of 5, actually.

Do black people hate black people?

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Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:27 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
More blacks are killed by blacks than any other race. By a factor of 5, actually.

Do black people hate black people?

Obviously they do - otherwise why would they kill each other?

Or was your question rhetorical?

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