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Our Future in Space

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Thursday, December 21, 2017 9:52 PM

OONJERAH


1. Is the USA the leading World Power?
Probably, eventho I think we're slipping.

2. Do we lead the world in Science?
Me: I really don't know. Nature grants the big brains, & I suspect those are
distributed world wide.

3. Besides the USA, what other countries have a space program?

4. Project for space program in a few decades: Exploring the universe with probes,
and later with manned ships.

5. OK. We can easily pick out the yellow dwarf stars. Apparently even now, we can
tell if they have planets in orbit. So we can pick out potential colony worlds.

6. When we have knowledge of 1 or more yellow dwarfs with an earthlike planet,
would we physically explore those systems 1st with smart probes ... or with
manned space craft?
i.e., Might we become someone else's UFOs?

7. OR are we gonna douche out, stall, fight amongst ourselves, and pick our noses?

... oooOO}{OOooo ...


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Thursday, December 21, 2017 11:37 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Unfortunately, being out in space triggers bad things in our DNA. We don't even remotely have the technology to make it to ANYWHERE self sustainable in usable condition, never mind radiation or lack of resources...

Space travel is not going anywhere, even the moon is ridiculously expensive. Trump calling for us to go back to the moon just shows how much he doesn't understand how pointless it is. Let the Chinese blow the billions of bucks, we need to focus on where we ARE.

Or.... just shoot all of the guns at once and explode into space. Either way, we're screwed


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Friday, December 22, 2017 12:01 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
1. Is the USA the leading World Power?
Probably, eventho I think we're slipping.

2. Do we lead the world in Science?
Me: I really don't know. Nature grants the big brains, & I suspect those are
distributed world wide.

3. Besides the USA, what other countries have a space program?

4. Project for space program in a few decades: Exploring the universe with probes,
and later with manned ships.

5. OK. We can easily pick out the yellow dwarf stars. Apparently even now, we can
tell if they have planets in orbit. So we can pick out potential colony worlds.

6. When we have knowledge of 1 or more yellow dwarfs with an earthlike planet,
would we physically explore those systems 1st with smart probes ... or with
manned space craft?
i.e., Might we become someone else's UFOs?

7. OR are we gonna douche out, stall, fight amongst ourselves, and pick our noses?



But to answer your questions...

No

No

India, China, Russia, E.U. Germany, France, Canada, and Italy (several of those assist with satellites

We ARE sending probes, several to Mars (Maven and Curiosity), Voyager just left the solar system, Mariner and Messenger to Venus and Mercury flybys, Dawn to Ceres.

See above post.

AND FINALLY


Voyager was launched in 1977 with nuclear batteries that will cease to function sometime in the next five years...we will not be able to send probes to another system. Gliese is the closest system that may be habitable and it is 20 light-years away. 20 times 5.9 TRILLION. Good luck with that before we blow ourselves to bits.

The space race is a lie. There IS NO RACE. All we can do is run in circles for infinity.

Star Trek kept us wishing for a few more years, is all

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Friday, December 22, 2017 12:16 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


I find this video sums up the wonder and mind-boggling stupidity that is Earth.






This one helps me deal with the urge to wipe the rest of you off the planet and start over.



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Friday, December 22, 2017 11:33 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
1. Is the USA the leading World Power?
Probably, eventho I think we're slipping.

2. Do we lead the world in Science?
Me: I really don't know. Nature grants the big brains, & I suspect those are
distributed world wide.

3. Besides the USA, what other countries have a space program?

4. Project for space program in a few decades: Exploring the universe with probes,
and later with manned ships.

5. OK. We can easily pick out the yellow dwarf stars. Apparently even now, we can
tell if they have planets in orbit. So we can pick out potential colony worlds.

6. When we have knowledge of 1 or more yellow dwarfs with an earthlike planet,
would we physically explore those systems 1st with smart probes ... or with
manned space craft?
i.e., Might we become someone else's UFOs?

7. OR are we gonna douche out, stall, fight amongst ourselves, and pick our noses?

... oooOO}{OOooo ...


#1: seems like China is a leading power.

#2: viability and survival of brains is the pertinent consideration. Brains in China, Democratic Korea, other places get removed from the gene pool, like Yurpean beheading in Medieval Ages or Crusades, or Testifying in Old Med.

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Friday, December 22, 2017 2:19 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


OUR FUTURE IN SPACE .....





We ARE in space, whether we recognize it or not.


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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Friday, December 22, 2017 9:28 PM

THGRRI


A few things we gained because we decided to go to the moon.


1. CAT scanner: this cancer-detecting technology was first used to find imperfections in space components.


2. Computer microchip: modern microchips descend from integrated circuits used in the Apollo Guidance Computer.


3. Cordless tools: power drills and vacuum cleaners use technology designed to drill for moon samples.


4. Ear thermometer: a camera-like lens that detects infrared energy we feel as heat was originally used to monitor the birth of stars.


5. Freeze-dried food: this reduces food weight and increases shelf life without sacrificing nutritional value.

6. Insulation: home insulation uses reflective material that protects spacecraft from radiation.

7. Invisible braces: teeth-straightening is less embarrassing thanks to transparent ceramic brace brackets made from spacecraft materials.

8. Joystick: this computer gaming device was first used on the Apollo Lunar Rover.

9. Memory foam: created for aircraft seats to soften landing, this foam, which returns to its original shape, is found in mattresses and shock absorbing helmets.

10. Satellite television: technology used to fix errors in spacecraft signals helps reduce scrambled pictures and sound in satellite television signals.

11. Scratch resistant lenses: astronaut helmet visor coating makes our spectacles ten times more scratch resistant.

12. Shoe insoles: athletic shoe companies adapted space boot designs to lessen impact by adding spring and ventilation.

13. Smoke detector: Nasa invented the first adjustable smoke detector with sensitivity levels to prevent false alarms.

14. Swimsuit: Nasa used the same principles that reduce drag in space to help create the world’s fastest swimsuit for Speedo, rejected by some professionals for giving an unfair advantage.

15. Water filter: domestic versions borrow a technique Nasa pioneered to kill bacteria in water taken into space.

Common people, if you want the jobs of the future to be in America then going back to the Moon and beyond is imperative. Leading the way is imperative. The return on dollars invested is endless.


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Friday, December 22, 2017 10:45 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Developments due to warfare

Metallurgy

The telegraph

Ambulance service

Blood banks

Synthetic rubber, and synthetic silk (nylon)

Ultrasound, now used for medical diagnostics

Multi-engined aircraft

The jet engine

Penicillin

The original computer (to decode the Enigma machine)

Microwaves. from radar development

Meteorology, spurred by need for accurate weather predictions

Internet, by DARPA, originally called ARPANET

https://www.quora.com/Does-war-actually-make-the-technology-and-scienc
e-advance-faster


Clearly, war spurs technological development, so we should have more wars!

*****

The rather sarcastic point being that development occurs in a variety of endeavors. If we were to turn our attention to renewable energy or environmental remediation, for example, we would probably see large advances in other technologies like computer modeling or nano-fabrication (for batteries)

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Saturday, December 23, 2017 12:16 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Developments due to warfare

Metallurgy

The telegraph

Ambulance service

Blood banks

Synthetic rubber, and synthetic silk (nylon)

Ultrasound, now used for medical diagnostics

Multi-engined aircraft

The jet engine

Penicillin

The original computer (to decode the Enigma machine)

Microwaves. from radar development

Meteorology, spurred by need for accurate weather predictions

Internet, by DARPA, originally called ARPANET

https://www.quora.com/Does-war-actually-make-the-technology-and-scienc
e-advance-faster


Clearly, war spurs technological development, so we should have more wars!

*****

The rather sarcastic point being that development occurs in a variety of endeavors. If we were to turn our attention to renewable energy or environmental remediation, for example, we would probably see large advances in other technologies like computer modeling or nano-fabrication (for batteries)

----------------

Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You lie. All of those things were inventing by algore, along with Global Warming.

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Saturday, December 23, 2017 3:56 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

]You lie. All of those things were inventing by algore, along with Global Warming.



*sigh* We know we can always count of JSF for a logical, reasoned answer...


Oh, wait, I mean the other thing. As in... we never can.

Seriously, THAT is your contribution to this conversation?????


P.S. CAN WE PICK ON YOUR TYPING OF ALGORE NOW???

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Monday, May 7, 2018 7:55 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Hmmmm.

https://gizmodo.com/simulated-moon-dust-kills-cells-and-alters-dna-sig
nali-1825754439


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_soil

The moon has much higher rates of calcium, magnesium, titanium, iron and aluminum than here. That would be pretty tough on EVERYTHING.

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Monday, May 7, 2018 8:45 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Hmmmm.

https://gizmodo.com/simulated-moon-dust-kills-cells-and-alters-dna-sig
nali-1825754439


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_soil

The moon has much higher rates of calcium, magnesium, titanium, iron and aluminum than here. That would be pretty tough on EVERYTHING.

Enough magnesium to react with water?

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Monday, May 7, 2018 8:51 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://www.webelements.com/magnesium/chemistry.html

Magnesium does not react with water to any significant extent.




So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Monday, May 7, 2018 9:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


'OUR' future is space.

Do you mean the geopolitical US, or human-kind? It looks like you're leaning toward the US.

Anyway, I don't think space is our friend. From cosmic rays, to the vacuum, to the near absolute zero cold to ... just the plain lack of the precise mineral mix, gravity, natural food that harbors beneficial microbes, and all the mundane conditions we evolved under ... we need all of that and we will never reproduce that completely.

I'll even argue that we've done such a great job fucking up the environment that used to nurture us that autism rates have gone up ... again ... not to mention the multiple species that have gone and will go extinct due to pollution. The earth ain't what it used to be, and ultimately we may not even survive that, let alone have a future in space.




So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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