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POSTED BY: 1KIKI
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Monday, February 12, 2018 3:22 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


... is meant to influence the US public by telling us some truths?

Yanno, there's been a whole new resurgence of claims of armies - ARMIES! I tell you ! - of Russian trolls launching MASSIVE campaigns to influence the election, and the public.

So I spent a number of hours scouring all the usual msm 'sources', especially WaPo. I tracked down and read every link, and every link in every linked article ... and so on till I got down to the beginning link in every series of links.

All I found was one recent reference to one submitter who CounterPunch couldn't track down irl. And who the FBI believes/ claims (or claims to believe) is a Russian troll (for unstated reasons). There was literally nothing new behind this new propaganda push. And there was still no evidence, either old or new, to support any claims about Russian 'hacking', Russians trolls, or Russian anything.

And as everyone who's looked at the work product of this purported troll has concluded, there was nothing controversial, or even political, in these submissions. Aside from that, the articles weren't even widely disseminated.

I couldn't find any hordes, or anything political.

So, what is the purpose of this one troll, this 'army' of one? It's really hard to say. All I can conclude is that every unexplained fact that makes it past the gatekeepers, every unanswered plausible claim, is one more crack in the carefully-painted picture we're meant to see.

What if we're being propagandized with the slow drip, drip, drip, of truth.

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Monday, February 12, 2018 3:31 PM

THGRRI


You looked for evidence of Russian trolls. You are a Russian troll comrade. This is precious.


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Monday, February 12, 2018 5:45 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Thanks for the bump.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Monday, February 12, 2018 6:59 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

Thanks for the bump.




You're welcome. Here's another...


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Tuesday, February 13, 2018 1:25 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So speaking of the slow drip-drip-drip of truth ....

Quote:

Dutch Finance Minister Admits He Lied About Putin's Plans For A "Greater Russia"

In a shocking admission, Dutch Foreign Minister Halbe Zijlstra said he lied when he claimed to have heard President Vladimir Putin describing an ambition to unify Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states and Kazakhstan into a single super-state to rival the influence of the former Soviet Union.

Zijlstra claimed at a party conference in 2016 that he had overheard Putin outlining the grand plan for a "Greater Russia" in 2006 during a gathering of businessmen. At the time, Zijlstra was working at Shell, RT reports.

In the original retelling of the story, Zijlstra said he had been in a back room of a dacha (country house) when he heard Putin define "Great Russia" as "Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and the Baltic states," adding that "Kazakhstan was nice to have."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-12/dutch-finance-minister-admit
s-he-lied-about-putins-plans-greater-russia


But, according to THUGR, THIS WEBSITE is a Russian troll farm! So, well, how seriously can you take anything that THUGR posts?



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Tuesday, February 13, 2018 1:49 AM

WISHIMAY

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Once again, trying to find reasons for the US to fellate Russia, after all the bitching you do that WE talk about Russia too much.

You have to KNOW by now we don't give a damn what Russian Trolls think, right?

You could bring Putin and Jesus Christ in for show and tell and we STILL KNOW what your agenda is...

You know you aren't going to sell pure socialism to the rethugs here, they don't even want to join basic societal funding for basic functions... like roads... and keeping kids and old people from starving.

So WHY BOTHER?? The rest of us KNOW pure socialism is COMPLETELY idiotic, I would NOT EVER support a pure socialistic society, Thgrri isn't, pretty sure G and Second aren't....

So WHO are you talking to???





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Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:38 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Wishy

I was actually trying to figure out what the heck is behind the latest flurry of Russia-blaming. I read several articles that all focused on the same 'problem' of 'armies' of Russian agents trying to bamboozle the US. They even used the same words and phrases.

Well, *I* didn't know there was anything new, different, noteworthy going on. So I went looking. I mean I REALLY went looking. What in HECK were they going on about?

And all I could find was the puzzling case of the non-troll troll, who never posted anything noteworthy, or controversial, OR EVEN POLITICAL.

Hm. Is THAT the troll army? And, if so - what could they possibly be trying to do?

And all I can figure is - if they're not posting anything controversial, or inflammatory, or critical, or even political - maybe they're trying to sow distrust in the government and media by telling us the truth. That's all that seems to be left.






HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Tuesday, February 13, 2018 7:41 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So I spent a number of hours scouring all the usual msm 'sources', especially WaPo. I tracked down and read every link, and every link in every linked article ... and so on till I got down to the beginning link in every series of links.



*gasp* Suuuuure you did. Did you see the Beginning of Man while you were there? What a loon...

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Tuesday, February 13, 2018 7:45 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Wishy

I was actually trying to figure out what the heck is behind the latest flurry of Russia-blaming. I read several articles that all focused on the same 'problem' of 'armies' of Russian agents trying to bamboozle the US. They even used the same words and phrases.

Well, *I* didn't know there was anything new, different, noteworthy going on. So I went looking. I mean I REALLY went looking. What in HECK were they going on about?

And all I could find was the puzzling case of the non-troll troll, who never posted anything noteworthy, or controversial, OR EVEN POLITICAL.

Hm. Is THAT the troll army? And, if so - what could they possibly be trying to do?

And all I can figure is - if they're not posting anything controversial, or inflammatory, or critical, or even political - maybe they're trying to sow distrust in the government and media by telling us the truth. That's all that seems to be left.



Maybe they're on forums posting things like, "what if Russia is just telling us the Truth?"

I'm confused by your "findings" as well. You say it's one person but then you say "they." Did you forget your premise?

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Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:59 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, speaking of the slow drip-drip-drip of truth ...
Quote:

Disgraced Dutch Foreign Minister Resigns After Admitting Lying About Putin's "Greater Russia" Comment
Boy, if this happened here, the upper half of our intelligence agencies, most of our politicians, and a third of our media would resign!

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Tuesday, February 13, 2018 1:54 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So, speaking of the slow drip-drip-drip of truth ...
Quote:

Disgraced Dutch Foreign Minister Resigns After Admitting Lying About Putin's "Greater Russia" Comment
Boy, if this happened here, the upper half of our intelligence agencies, most of our politicians, and a third of our media would resign!



Not a chance your assertion that that is what's going on here is accurate. Nope, not a chance.

Heard anything from Frem?



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Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:52 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, speaking of the slow drip-drip-drip of truth ...
Quote:

Disgraced Dutch Foreign Minister Resigns After Admitting Lying About Putin's "Greater Russia" Comment
Boy, if this happened here, the upper half of our intelligence agencies, most of our politicians, and a third of our media would resign!



I know! If all the people who lied about having contacts with The Russians were fired or resigned, the swamp would be drained by now. That slow drip drip is Mueller taking his time - it's probably what Trump hears every night as he tries to go to sleep.

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Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:08 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, speaking of the slow drip-drip-drip of truth ...
Quote:

Disgraced Dutch Foreign Minister Resigns After Admitting Lying About Putin's "Greater Russia" Comment
Boy, if this happened here, the upper half of our intelligence agencies, most of our politicians, and a third of our media would resign!



I know! If all the people who lied about having contacts with The Russians were fired or resigned, the swamp would be drained by now. That slow drip drip is Mueller taking his time - it's probably what Trump hears every night as he tries to go to sleep.



Yep CC, tick tock


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Tuesday, February 13, 2018 6:33 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


GEEBERS

I say 'they' the way the FBI says 'they' when it talks about ARMIES!!!! of trolls, but can only point to one, lone, non-troll. That single non-troll is the FBI'S 'they'.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Tuesday, February 13, 2018 6:36 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
GEEBERS

I say 'they' the way the FBI says 'they' when it talks about ARMIES!!!! of trolls, but can only point to one, lone, non-troll.



Here's how the U.S. is combating 'fake news' from Russia

The center's 66 employees coordinates with U.S. agencies, such as the FBI and Department of Homeland Security, to target the American audience. It works with social media companies that have been used to spread foreign propaganda. And it also consults with foreign governments who face similar threats.

France, Germany, Estonia, Ukraine and the Czech Republic have had recent experience countering Russian disinformation efforts.

WASHINGTON — The State Department prepares to get its first funds to tackle Russian meddling in U.S. politics as U.S. intelligence warns that its interference in American elections continues.

Funding for the mission is finally expected to arrive in coming days as an agreement to transfer $40 million from the Defense Department is expected this week, more than doubling its current budget of $35 million.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/02/13/global-engagement
-center-russia-meddling/333015002
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Tuesday, February 13, 2018 6:46 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


In other words, the US imposes censorship - in defense of 'freedom'. Congratulations, you've gone in a complete circle and stuck your head up your own ass.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Tuesday, February 13, 2018 7:09 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

In other words, the US imposes censorship - in defense of 'freedom'. Congratulations, you've gone in a complete circle and stuck your head up your own ass.



You guys are just too stupid. It's you, it's Russia that is the one doing everything you trolls piss about here. I know, tell it to rappy, he believes everything that's moronic.


Russia is threatening to block YouTube and Instagram over video of oligarch

Russia has threatened to block access to YouTube and Instagram if the sites do not remove video and photographs that show a senior government official sailing on a yacht with a billionaire oligarch, who has links with the former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort.

Russia’s state-controlled media watchdog, Roskomnadzor, on Saturday ordered that 14 Instagram posts and seven YouTube videos be deleted that show metals magnate Oleg Deripaska on a yacht with a Russian deputy prime minister, Sergey Prikhodko, and a woman who has described herself as an escort.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/russia-threatening-block-youtube-i
nstagram-video-oligarch/story?id=53046159




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Tuesday, February 13, 2018 7:10 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

The center's 66 employees coordinates with U.S. agencies, such as the FBI and Department of Homeland Security, to target the American audience.
Sounds like a hostile takeover to me!

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Tuesday, February 13, 2018 7:13 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:


The center's 66 employees coordinates with U.S. agencies, such as the FBI and Department of Homeland Security, to target the American audience.

Sounds like a hostile takeover to me!



It would you dumb fuck. It's you and yours they are going to be targeting.


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Tuesday, February 13, 2018 7:15 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Russia is threatening to block YouTube and Instagram over video of oligarch

Blocking media - - - in Russia. Are you Russian? Then why do you care? I know I don't.

But when MY AMERICAN government starts censoring ME and my fellow citizens - that practice you're so gleeful about when it happens HERE in the good old USofA - I get tetchy.

I see where your loyalties lie, my Jewish comrade. You focus on Russia, and Israel, not the US.

No wonder you're a Deep State troll. They're not loyal Americans, either.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Tuesday, February 13, 2018 9:23 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Russia is threatening to block YouTube and Instagram over video of oligarch

Blocking media - - - in Russia. Are you Russian?



no but you sure are


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Tuesday, February 13, 2018 9:38 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I see where your loyalties lie, my Jewish comrade. You focus on Russia, and Israel, not the US.

No wonder you're a Deep State troll. They're not loyal Americans, either.




THUGGER IS A DEEP STATE TROLL

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Tuesday, February 13, 2018 10:36 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So anyway - to get back to the supposed 'armies' of trolls - an army of one non-troll by my account - can anyone point to any NEWS stories WITH LINKS of actual armies, or at least actual multiple Russian trolls, doing work AIMED AT THE US?

I spent way too many hours trying to track down even one. But maybe others will have more luck.




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