REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS

Mohammed bin Salman: We used the Muslim Brotherhood ... this is what America wanted us to do

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Thursday, April 5, 2018 07:21
SHORT URL:
VIEWED: 963
PAGE 1 of 1

Wednesday, April 4, 2018 2:00 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Goldberg: I spent a lot of time in Pakistan and Afghanistan in the late 1990s, early 2000s, and it was generally understood that the militant madrassas were getting money from Saudi Arabia. It seems from what you’re saying that things got out of control—your government, your family, didn’t control spending and ideological support, and then it came back and hurt not only you but your friends and allies as well.

MbS: We used the Muslim Brotherhood in the Cold War—we did, both of us—

Goldberg: I’m not saying the U.S. is innocent here—

MbS: This is what America wanted us to do. We had a king who paid with his life trying to counter these people, King Faisal, one of the greatest kings of Saudi Arabia. When it comes to financing extremist groups, I challenge anyone if he can bring any evidence that the Saudi government financed terrorist groups. Yes, there are people from Saudi Arabia who financed terrorist groups. This is against Saudi law. We have a lot of people in jail now, not only for financing terrorist groups, but even for supporting them. One of the reasons we have a problem with Qatar is that we are not allowing them to use the financial system between us to collect money from Saudis and give it to extremist organizations.


....Al-Qaeda leaders, ISIS leaders, they were all Muslim Brotherhood first. Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, the leader of ISIS. This is very clear.


https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/04/mohammed-bin
-salman-iran-israel/557036
/

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, April 4, 2018 3:20 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.



Quote:

New Study Provides Yet More Proof Of Saudi State Sponsorship Of ISIS

During the same week Saudi Arabia's crown prince Mohammed bin Salman (MbS) admitted to the The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg that Saudi nationals have funded terror groups, a prominent Georgetown University counterterrorism expert and field researcher has published his findings based on extensive interviews with former ISIS members which identifies Saudi Arabia as a key source of the now defunct Islamic State's prior rapid growth.

The findings were summarized in the Government and Technology Services Coalition's Homeland Security Today online journal, and authored by Georgetown University professor Ahmet Yayla, who during the past four years has interviewed over 40 ISIS defectors in Turkey while conducting on the ground research along Syria's border.

Yayla's findings entitled, To Truly Fight Terror, Counter Salafist Jihadist Ideology First, confirm that:

“The majority of the ISIS shaykhs (imams and teachers) who were preaching in ISIS-controlled territories and schools were from Saudi Arabia.”

... The study focuses specifically on 'Salafist jihadism' - a term often used interchangeably with Wahhabism - as "the same root" shared by both al-Qaeda and ISIS:

Salafism is usually described as an ultraconservative, puritanical, grim and fundamentalist branch within Sunni Islam established on the teachings of the 13th-century scholar Ibn Taymiyyah, whose ideas were introduced by puritanical scholar Muhammed ibn Abd al-Wahhab in the Arabian Peninsula during the mid-18th Century. Wahhab advocated a return to the traditions of the first generations of Muslims (the salaf)...

... Several ISIS defectors I interviewed specifically told me how al-Wahhab’s Kitab at-Tawhid was the chief and the most important part of their training, a book also widely and historically adopted by today’s Saudi Arabia. Furthermore, I observed that Salafist literature and books were adopted by terrorists including al-Qaeda for their indoctrination and training during the investigations I carried out as a counterterrorism police chief in Turkey.


Notably, one of Saudi Arabia's most visible sheikhs - who recently held the title of 'Imam of Kaaba, the Grand Mosque of the Prophet Muhammad in Mecca' - admitted that ISIS is a product of Saudi Salafi/Wahhabi Islam, which has been described by scholars and historians alike as the official state religion of Saudi Arabia, despite MbS' feigning confusion over the issue during his recent Atlantic interview.

But the key section of the summary study Homeland Security Today, which links the highest levels of the Saudi state (including Saudi princes) with ISIS terrorism is worth quoting in full. According to the below excerpt from the summary findings, Saudi Arabia spreads Salafist terror ideology "all over the world":

"The fact is, some Saudi princes, clerics, and charities for decades have been pouring out billions of dollars to promote their understanding of Islam, Wahhabism. They have found willing partners among the vulnerable populations in the Central Asian and Afghan-Pakistani regions, Africa, the Balkans and even in Europe. These funders indirectly assist ISIS and al-Qaeda-friendly organizations to fast-track their recruitments process on their behalf. In the leaked U.S. embassy cables, it was openly addressed that Saudi Arabia was 'a critical source of terrorist funding' where the money is mostly spent on training of Wahhabi clerics, production and distribution of Wahhabi textbooks, media outreach and donations to local schools or cultural centers.

Thanks to the Saudis spreading Salafism all over the world, these terrorists reach ideologically ripe people among their targeted groups who are already educated by the Wahhabis.

For a more comprehensive and effective long-term counterterrorism policy, the world should understand that regardless of the political costs and outcomes there is no true dealing of jihadi terrorism without countering the Salafist jihadist ideology. The majority of the ISIS shaykhs (imams and teachers) who were preaching in ISIS-controlled territories and schools were from Saudi Arabia

MORE AT
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-03/new-study-provides-yet-more-
proof-saudi-state-sponsorship-isis


I know that I have referenced this quite often, but I'm going to mention it again because of the habit of some RWE FFF.net participants to "forget" or misinterpret what others have posted: I recall reading a very long detailed article about the Saudi funding of madrassas all throughout the Middle East and North Africa, including Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sudan, Yemen, Ethiopia etc. The article pointed out at the time that these madrassas were primarily religious schools, teaching a very intolerant form of Islam, and often represented the ONLY educational opportunity for boys, and none for girls. AT THE TIME, the article went on to say that unless "the west" got serious about establishing schools and put a SERIOUS amount of money into it, we would be facing entire generations of religiously-indoctrinated populations. THIS WAS FIFTY YEARS AGO.

So it's not like this wasn't foreseen.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, April 4, 2018 5:02 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I'm not really understanding the denials, or the terms used. Maybe I need a translator.
Or I would need to dive into the subject deeper.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, April 5, 2018 7:21 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


There are a lot of ways to describe the various offshoots of Islam, just as there are a lot of ways to describe various offshoots of Christianity. For example, you could call someone a fundamentalist, a Protestant, a Christian, and a Baptist and be correct in all of them.

Saudi Arabia promotes a particularly intolerant form of Sunni Islam, based on the teachings of ibn al-Wahhab in Saudi Arabia in the late 1700s. He taught a particularly aggressive interpretation of Islam which sought to return to Islam's (more barbaric) 'roots'.

There are several ways to name this offshoot: Wahhabism (after the founder), takfirism, salafism, and their preferred name Muwahhid(ism).


Salafism (the followers are called salafis) are those who want to return to the original roots of Islam. They reject later changes to Islam as heresy. The closest Xtian analog is "fundamentalism", our closest political analog would be "strict Constitutionalists". Salafis aren't necessarily violent.

The next categorization is takfirism. THIS is the ideology which justifies violence by denouncing non-conforming Muslims as "kafir" (heretical, unclean) and allowing takfiris to attack and kill other Muslims. In principle, only a religious teacher can declare someone kafir, but this particular branch of Islam has claimed for itself the right of any individual to declare another kafir. Our closest western analog would be something like the Inquisition, or the brutal wars fought between different Christian sects during the early Reformation, during which two particular sects would alternately gain control of a city/ canton, leading to mass denunciations, pervasive spying, torture and death. See Militant Calvinism: http://libertymagazine.org/article/the-reformation-and-wars-of-religio
n


"Wahhabism" is named after the man who developed this particular brand of violent Islam, ibn-el-Wahhab. It was common at the time for tribal leaders to torture their neighbor enemies, and steal their wives and children - treating them as slaves-, and gold and treasure. Wahhab gave free rein to this by claiming that it was the will of god by claiming that the victims were kafir, and his teaching took root when he teamed up with a particularly successful warlord Muhammed bin Saud, who took over much of the Arabian peninsula. The relationship between the Saudi Royal family and the clerics remains the same to this day: The Saudi Royals can do whatever they want, provided that the clerics approve, and the clerics get Saudi money.

Wahhabists don't like being called Wahhabists; they prefer to be called salafi or muwahhid (unitarian Muslim); so if you ask a wahhabist about wahhabism it is their conceit to pretend not knowing what you're talking about.

Another name commonly applied to violent Sunni Muslims are "jihadists". The original meaning of "jihad" means struggle towards a praiseworthy goal, but the word has been taken over by the west to mean any terrorist or violent militant rooted in Islam. So, not an exact word.

Some knowledgeable people have settled on "takfiris" as the preferred name for these violent Wahhabists, which includes the Muslim Brotherhood, al Qaeda, and ISIL.



-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

YOUR OPTIONS

NEW POSTS TODAY

USERPOST DATE

OTHER TOPICS

DISCUSSIONS
Robert Mueller's Day Off
Tue, December 11, 2018 02:03 - 3 posts
Southern American Humour
Tue, December 11, 2018 01:54 - 10 posts
Ocasio-Cortez, the Democratic Socialists, and end to Capitalism
Mon, December 10, 2018 21:45 - 69 posts
Dow @ 20K. Time to jump off!
Mon, December 10, 2018 20:59 - 761 posts
Evidence: So where are we now(II) ?
Mon, December 10, 2018 20:52 - 573 posts
Mid-Term Elections 2018
Mon, December 10, 2018 19:20 - 182 posts
Dom McGahn gettin' out while he can
Mon, December 10, 2018 18:36 - 17 posts
Coffee - Cheers!
Mon, December 10, 2018 18:06 - 259 posts
Trump Is Destroying Everything He Touches
Mon, December 10, 2018 14:54 - 165 posts
The Stain of Trump - week 90
Mon, December 10, 2018 14:06 - 14 posts
Trump is a Troll
Mon, December 10, 2018 13:16 - 143 posts
Countdown Clock to Trumps impeachment " STARTS"
Mon, December 10, 2018 11:59 - 1765 posts

FFF.NET SOCIAL