REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS

Interesting recent polls

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Tuesday, May 8, 2018 19:41
SHORT URL:
VIEWED: 321
PAGE 1 of 1

Tuesday, May 1, 2018 11:04 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Exclusive: Democrats lose ground with millennials - Reuters/Ipsos poll

MANCHESTER, N.H. (Reuters) - Enthusiasm for the Democratic Party is waning among millennials as its candidates head into the crucial midterm congressional elections, according to the Reuters/Ipsos national opinion poll.

The online survey of more than 16,000 registered voters ages 18 to 34 shows their support for Democrats over Republicans for Congress slipped by about 9 percentage points over the past two years, to 46 percent overall. And they increasingly say the Republican Party is a better steward of the economy.

Although nearly two of three young voters polled said they do not like Republican President Donald Trump, their distaste for him does not necessarily extend to all Republicans or translate directly into votes for Democratic congressional candidates.

That presents a potential problem for Democrats who have come to count on millennials as a core constituency - and will need all the loyalty they can get to achieve a net gain of 23 seats to capture control of the U.S. House of Representatives in November.

MORE AT https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-millennials/exclusive-
democrats-lose-ground-with-millennials-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN1I10YH


Of course, millenials are notorious for now showing up at elections, so ....

ALSO

Quote:

California opposes sanctuary cities, Berkeley poll suggests
March 28, 2017

Californians are overwhelmingly opposed to sanctuary city immigration policies, according to a poll commissioned by UC Berkeley Institute for Governmental Studies (IGS). As a caveat, the director of IGS notes 99.5 percent of participants in the poll were citizens, and the survey was only conducted in English.

Between Aug. 11 and Aug. 26, Survey Sampling International conducted the poll on behalf of UC Berkeley, sampling 1,098 respondents. Of those polled, 74 percent said local authorities should not be allowed to ignore federal detainer requests. The other 26 percent supported the sanctuary city policy of preventing local police and sheriff’s officials from honoring immigration holds.

The poll results indicate Californians across the political spectrum and among all major ethnic groups oppose sanctuary city policies. The policy of ignoring federal detainer requests was opposed by 73 percent of Democrats, 82 percent of Republicans and 71 percent of independents, according to UC Berkley.

Additionally, 65 percent of Latinos, 75 percent of Asian and African Americans and 80 percent of whites opposed sanctuary city policies.

https://calcoastnews.com/2017/03/california-opposes-sanctuary-cities-b
erkeley-poll-suggests
/

AND
Quote:

Most California voters think illegal immigration is a problem, but don't see mass deportation as the answer

Almost two-thirds of California voters believe that illegal immigration is a major problem in the state, but by even larger majorities they reject the idea of mass deportations and favor allowing those currently living in the country without authorization to stay and apply for citizenship.

The latest USC Dornsife/Los Angeles Times statewide poll found that 62% of voters said they believed illegal immigration in California is at least a major problem, with 23% calling it a crisis. By contrast, 36% said the issue was a small problem or not a problem at all.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-latimes-immigration-californ
ia-primary-poll-20160331-story.html


A comment on the last two polls ... it's easy for people in some states to wring their hands over illegal immigrants, but here in California, where we have to LIVE with the problem of (basically) unrestricted immigration, the downside becomes readily apparent.



NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, May 1, 2018 11:38 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
As a caveat, the director of IGS notes 99.5 percent of participants in the poll were citizens, and the survey was only conducted in English.



It's a good thing that they let us know this.

So the numbers would actually be slightly higher against if we only polled people who should actually have a say in it. I can't even imagine why they'd poll .5% people who weren't legal citizens in the first place.

Given the massive amount of illegals living in California, it seems too small a percentage to just throw in there for "safety's sake" just in case they made a few mistakes. I would assume a number of 97 to 98% would be more accurate if you were just trying to hedge your bets.

At the same time, .5% is so meaningless a number that it would in no way really impact the overall results, so it doesn't seem to have been done on purpose either.

Quote:

A comment on the last two polls ... it's easy for people in some states to wring their hands over illegal immigrants, but here in California, where we have to LIVE with the problem of (basically) unrestricted immigration, the downside becomes readily apparent.


Yeah... That's quite a dilemma there in California. The state who's national motto should be "SJW Capitol of the World".

I'd imagine it's pretty hard to go about your daily life pushing your morals on everyone else in the world when the real world effects of those same morals start negatively impacting your own life.



What I think would be interesting to see is how many of the people who voted against illegal immigration in these polls (in secret) went right back to supporting them on Facebook where they were virtue signalling in the open. My guess, especially among the Democrats polled here, is that this would be a pretty high number of them.


Do Right, Be Right. :)

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, May 1, 2018 2:34 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


The first poll: the pendulum swings. The millennials are opening their eyes, and the clueless Rock-The-Voters from a decade ago are now less immature and more clued in.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, May 1, 2018 6:18 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The first poll: the pendulum swings. The millennials are opening their eyes, and the clueless Rock-The-Voters from a decade ago are now less immature and more clued in.



I'd say that since whites are still a majority that they're realizing that they've been actively voting against themselves whenever they vote for the Neo-Liberals. Which is EXACTLY what they've been doing.

Having a sense of self preservation is not racism when you're unabashedly being attacked by the wack jobs on the left every single day for something.


Although I appreciate your attempt to make smaller "generations" to clairify things, the Rock the Voters from a decade ago are considered millenneals. Hell... the Rock the Voters were all younger than I was by a few years and I'm technically still considered a millennial, even though I was born in '79. I do think we need to stop being so lazy with our generation names and at least give them a new name every 10 years.



It wouldn't surprise me that the newest batch of millennial would start voting the other way. Not when they just got out of high school and stuff like this constantly happens:



Do Right, Be Right. :)

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, May 2, 2018 8:12 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Yeah... That's quite a dilemma there in California. The state who's national motto should be "SJW Capitol of the World".- SIX
The polls are telling me that this SHOULDN'T be the motto for CA, and the reason is ...

Quote:

I'd imagine it's pretty hard to go about your daily life pushing your morals on everyone else in the world when the real world effects of those same morals start negatively impacting your own life.= SIX
Again, I don't think the problem is some sort of statewide hypocrisy on the issue, the problem is ...

Quote:

What I think would be interesting to see is how many of the people who voted against illegal immigration in these polls (in secret) went right back to supporting them on Facebook where they were virtue signalling in the open. My guess, especially among the Democrats polled here, is that this would be a pretty high number of them.- SIZ
Again, I don't think this is some sort of statewide hypocrisy, the problem is ...

... the media.

Before Trump was elected, I talked to a lot of people about immigration, and I was shocked - shocked, I tell you- how many people supported Trump's POV on this issue. I even mentioned it here, more than once: The demographic that should have been exactly the demographic NOT supporting Trump - female, Asian, immigrant (legal), technically-trained (in other words, not white, uneducated, American-born men) - were universally 100% in support of Trump. Since then, I've met two more of the same category (one Taiwanese and one Japanese) who feel the same way.

None of this was reflected in the media, which portrayed CA as a bunch of entitled immigrants'-rights activists sobbing and wringing their hands over "the poor migrants".

EVEN NOW, after the polls came out, there has been very little discussion in the MSM (including NPR) about what the polls "mean", just a continued focus on "racism". Rather than discussing the issue, NPR in particular just flooded their airwaves with "the poor migrant" stories. It's nonstop; you have no idea.

I've written a couple of letters to the editor about the polls, neither of which were published. Nobody else's were, either; it's as if the MSM has decided that these people shall not be noticed. But because of the (literally) media blackout people who ... really... all feel the same way don't recognize that they're all part of a very large group, and nobody outside of CA knows about them either. The MSM has done an excellent job of misrepresenting Californians to themselves and to everyone else.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, May 2, 2018 2:08 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Yeah... That's quite a dilemma there in California. The state who's national motto should be "SJW Capitol of the World".- SIX
The polls are telling me that this SHOULDN'T be the motto for CA, and the reason is ...
Quote:

I'd imagine it's pretty hard to go about your daily life pushing your morals on everyone else in the world when the real world effects of those same morals start negatively impacting your own life.= SIX
Again, I don't think the problem is some sort of statewide hypocrisy on the issue, the problem is ...
Quote:

What I think would be interesting to see is how many of the people who voted against illegal immigration in these polls (in secret) went right back to supporting them on Facebook where they were virtue signalling in the open. My guess, especially among the Democrats polled here, is that this would be a pretty high number of them.- SIZ
Again, I don't think this is some sort of statewide hypocrisy, the problem is ...

... the media.

Before Trump was elected, I talked to a lot of people about immigration, and I was shocked - shocked, I tell you- how many people supported Trump's POV on this issue. I even mentioned it here, more than once: The demographic that should have been exactly the demographic NOT supporting Trump - female, Asian, immigrant (legal), technically-trained (in other words, not white, uneducated, American-born men) - were universally 100% in support of Trump. Since then, I've met two more of the same category (one Taiwanese and one Japanese) who feel the same way.

Why would you imagine this particular demographic (other than gender) supporting Illegal uneducated criminal Aliens jumping to the front of the waiting line before legal immigrants?
They would need to be crazy to do that.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, May 2, 2018 2:43 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Why would you imagine this particular demographic (other than gender) supporting Illegal uneducated criminal Aliens jumping to the front of the waiting line before legal immigrants? They would need to be crazy to do that.
Well, if there is a polar opposite to the "typical" Trump supporter, as portrayed by the media ... you know, left-behind, dumb-as-a-stump, flyover-state white Xtian males who feel threatened with loss of some sort of "status" ... it would be these educated, employed, coastal, world-traveling, female immigrants of color.

But you're right: The one thing that pisses them off more than anything are entitled illegal immigrants. In fact the worst takedown that I ever heard about Chinese immigrants scamming our system came from a Chinese woman who thinks our system is stupid because it allows people to scam our system. She gave a very detailed description of the process, which ended up with BMW's in the welfare office parking lot.


-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, May 2, 2018 4:22 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Why would you imagine this particular demographic (other than gender) supporting Illegal uneducated criminal Aliens jumping to the front of the waiting line before legal immigrants? They would need to be crazy to do that.
Well, if there is a polar opposite to the "typical" Trump supporter, as portrayed by the media ...

This is where you fail.
Your entire argument or thought train collapses with that, and any assumption from it.
The media's candidate was Treasonous Hilliary, who they campaigned for feverishly.
Even Trump nonsupporters like me can see that.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, May 2, 2018 4:42 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Why would you imagine this particular demographic (other than gender) supporting Illegal uneducated criminal Aliens jumping to the front of the waiting line before legal immigrants? They would need to be crazy to do that.
Well, if there is a polar opposite to the "typical" Trump supporter, as portrayed by the media ... you know, left-behind, dumb-as-a-stump, flyover-state white Xtian males who feel threatened with loss of some sort of "status" ... it would be these educated, employed, coastal, world-traveling, female immigrants of color.

But you're right: The one thing that pisses them off more than anything are entitled illegal immigrants. In fact the worst takedown that I ever heard about Chinese immigrants scamming our system came from a Chinese woman who thinks our system is stupid because it allows people to scam our system. She gave a very detailed description of the process, which ended up with BMW's in the welfare office parking lot.



I don't think you and JSF are arguing. I think he's doing that thing again where he's either intentionally or accidentially not understanding what you're posting and then he's arguing something you're not saying. lol


Anyhow, I know what you're talking about. My step dad is the youngest son of a legal Mexican immigrant. He grew up picking cotton and living in a train caboose with 10 siblings. In school, he got a poor grade in Spanish because even though he could speak it better than everyone else in class, he couldn't read it.

I remember him singing that Cheech and Chong bit "Mexican American, go to high school, take Spanish, get a B." lol

He was the first in his family to go to college and ended up working for 25 years for Ma Bell before retiring early to start his own furniture restoration business with my mom, which they just sold last year and officially retired down in Arizona.

Man... Don't get him started on illegal immigrants. He's a MAGA hat wearing Mexican that I've had the same conversations with that I post about here about how a physical wall is a terrible idea when we could keep illegals out without putting a single brick up through tax laws and cutting them off completely from government programs and education.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, May 2, 2018 5:50 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Why would you imagine this particular demographic (other than gender) supporting Illegal uneducated criminal Aliens jumping to the front of the waiting line before legal immigrants? They would need to be crazy to do that.
Well, if there is a polar opposite to the "typical" Trump supporter, as portrayed by the media ... you know, left-behind, dumb-as-a-stump, flyover-state white Xtian males who feel threatened with loss of some sort of "status" ... it would be these educated, employed, coastal, world-traveling, female immigrants of color.

But you're right: The one thing that pisses them off more than anything are entitled illegal immigrants. In fact the worst takedown that I ever heard about Chinese immigrants scamming our system came from a Chinese woman who thinks our system is stupid because it allows people to scam our system. She gave a very detailed description of the process, which ended up with BMW's in the welfare office parking lot.

I don't think you and JSF are arguing. I think he's doing that thing again where he's either intentionally or accidentially not understanding what you're posting and then he's arguing something you're not saying. lol

If she was saying that she thinks that Legal law-abiding Immigrants or Citizens who are competent and gainfully employed should support or endorse Illegal Criminal Alien repeat offenders who live and birth on Government handouts, then I am indeed arguing with her and any thought process which arrives at that specific point. Which I had thought I made clear.
If she didn't mean what she posted, then I did not understand what she was thinking about.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, May 2, 2018 5:58 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Why would you imagine this particular demographic (other than gender) supporting Illegal uneducated criminal Aliens jumping to the front of the waiting line before legal immigrants? They would need to be crazy to do that.
Well, if there is a polar opposite to the "typical" Trump supporter, as portrayed by the media ... you know, left-behind, dumb-as-a-stump, flyover-state white Xtian males who feel threatened with loss of some sort of "status" ... it would be these educated, employed, coastal, world-traveling, female immigrants of color.

But you're right: The one thing that pisses them off more than anything are entitled illegal immigrants. In fact the worst takedown that I ever heard about Chinese immigrants scamming our system came from a Chinese woman who thinks our system is stupid because it allows people to scam our system. She gave a very detailed description of the process, which ended up with BMW's in the welfare office parking lot.

I don't think you and JSF are arguing. I think he's doing that thing again where he's either intentionally or accidentially not understanding what you're posting and then he's arguing something you're not saying. lol

If she was saying that she thinks that Legal law-abiding Immigrants or Citizens who are competent and gainfully employed should support or endorse Illegal Criminal Alien repeat offenders who live and birth on Government handouts, then I am indeed arguing with her and any thought process which arrives at that specific point. Which I had thought I made clear.
If she didn't mean what she posted, then I did not understand what she was thinking about.



That is exactly the opposite of what she posted. Once again this is an example of you needing to read before you post.

Read it again.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, May 2, 2018 7:48 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Before Trump was elected, I talked to a lot of people about immigration, and I was shocked - shocked, I tell you- how many people supported Trump's POV on this issue. I even mentioned it here, more than once: The demographic that should have been exactly the demographic NOT supporting Trump - female, Asian, immigrant (legal), technically-trained (in other words, not white, uneducated, American-born men) - were universally 100% in support of Trump. Since then, I've met two more of the same category (one Taiwanese and one Japanese) who feel the same way.

Why would you imagine this particular demographic (other than gender) supporting Illegal uneducated criminal Aliens jumping to the front of the waiting line before legal immigrants?
They would need to be crazy to do that.

Rereading yet again, trying to translate apparently common American English clear language into whatever interpretation that 6ix is imagining.
Not getting it.

Also, not elaborated specifically in this thread, but Asian is pertinent because Asians cannot merely walk across the land border from their Country of Origin and plant themselves at the front of the line for Total Allowed Immigrants, like Mexicans do every day. And travel across the Pacific is more arduous than Atlantic shipping.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, May 2, 2018 7:50 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Why would you imagine this particular demographic (other than gender) supporting Illegal uneducated criminal Aliens jumping to the front of the waiting line before legal immigrants? They would need to be crazy to do that.
Well, if there is a polar opposite to the "typical" Trump supporter, as portrayed by the media ... you know, left-behind, dumb-as-a-stump, flyover-state white Xtian males who feel threatened with loss of some sort of "status" ... it would be these educated, employed, coastal, world-traveling, female immigrants of color.

But you're right: The one thing that pisses them off more than anything are entitled illegal immigrants. In fact the worst takedown that I ever heard about Chinese immigrants scamming our system came from a Chinese woman who thinks our system is stupid because it allows people to scam our system. She gave a very detailed description of the process, which ended up with BMW's in the welfare office parking lot.

I don't think you and JSF are arguing. I think he's doing that thing again where he's either intentionally or accidentially not understanding what you're posting and then he's arguing something you're not saying. lol

If she was saying that she thinks that Legal law-abiding Immigrants or Citizens who are competent and gainfully employed should support or endorse Illegal Criminal Alien repeat offenders who live and birth on Government handouts, then I am indeed arguing with her and any thought process which arrives at that specific point. Which I had thought I made clear.
If she didn't mean what she posted, then I did not understand what she was thinking about.

That is exactly the opposite of what she posted. Once again this is an example of you needing to read before you post.

Read it again.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

This is where 6ix is imagining that what was posted was the "opposite" of what was posted.

Not that 6ix will understand the context, but I call Retest!

Further, I cannot imagine how you can lack such basic comprehension. Is it disputed that I essentially paraphrased precisely what Sigs posted?

Did CC/G/T/JJ hijack 6ix's login?

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, May 2, 2018 8:43 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Signy was saying that her female, Oriental, highly educated friends and co-workers are NOT supporting illegal immigration.

She is saying that the MEDIA is the ones that are portraying ALL CALIFORNIANS as bleeding heart SJW snowflakes that support illegal immigration and sanctuary cities when this, at least in HER OWN EXPERIENCE IS NOT THE TRUTH.

Technically, she wasn't actually stating any opinion on the issue HERSELF. She's just stating that it seems that although it's possible that a majority of Californians are actually against illegal immigration, particularly legal immigrants themselves who didn't break the law, most people would never know this if they never went to California and all they had to go by was what the MSM says everyday.


LEARN TO READ, IDIOT.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, May 2, 2018 9:25 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN



NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, May 2, 2018 9:50 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN



Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Signy was saying that her female, Oriental, highly educated friends and co-workers are NOT supporting illegal immigration.

Here you are reading the same thing that I read.
Quote:


She is saying that the MEDIA is the ones that are portraying ALL CALIFORNIANS as bleeding heart SJW snowflakes that support illegal immigration and sanctuary cities when this, at least in HER OWN EXPERIENCE IS NOT THE TRUTH.

This is what I read.
Quote:


Technically, she wasn't actually stating any opinion on the issue HERSELF.

She wasn't stating any opinion about her view on Illegal Alien Immigration. Her opinion on this escapes disclosure in this thread.
She did, clearly, state her opinion on how Legal Immigrants should view the subject of Illegal Alien Immigration. Which was, she clearly stated, the opposite of what her anecdotal experience is.
Quote:


LEARN TO READ, IDIOT.

And you have confused chronology.

1. Sig stated her opinion and her anecdotal experience from before Trump was elected. 08:12 CT

2. I pointed out it would be crazy for those people to have that opinion, which she attributed. 14:08 CT

3. Sig agreed with my point and assessment. 14:43 CT

4. You stated that I was misunderstanding Sig when she accurately shared the opinions of a group of Legal Immigrants (and I agreed) and when she shared her opinion of what she thought their opinion should be (which I disagreed with). 16:42 CT

5. I pointed out you were confused, and that I accurately understood what Sig had posted, and although I agreed what the opinion of Legal Immigrants should logically be (#1), I disagreed with her thought process that Legal Immigrants should have the opposite opinion (#2). 17:50 CT

6. You stated that when I, in underlined quote, accurately repeated (#5) what Sig had said (#1 & #3), that meant that what Sig had posted was the opposite of what Sig had posted. 17:58 CT

7. At no point did I make comment regarding media accurately reporting anything, so I was not arguing or misunderstanding anything about the media accurately reporting.

Your comprehension is abysmal.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, May 2, 2018 9:51 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN



NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, May 3, 2018 1:14 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


JSF, are you posting drunk? I can't imagine what you THINK I'm saying, but apparently it's the opposite of what I meant.

I wasn't posting that legal immigrants "should" be for illegal immigration, I was saying that THE MEDIA was portraying Trump supporters as one thing so that people who were the opposite of that "should be" (according to the media) for Hillary. After all, didn't they portray Hillary supporters as female, educated, coastal, middle-class, and pro-immigration?



-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, May 3, 2018 1:29 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


FWIW, this is what I think of illegal immigration

Quote:

My first reaction to the demonstrations has been less than generous. People demand to be legalized just because they want it? Most other nations have strict immigation laws, so why should the US be singled out to throw open its borders? The large grafitti-covered neighborhoods where homies speak Spanglish with north Mexican drawl makes me think we haven't absorbed the last couple of generations yet.

Don't get me wrong- my dad was an immigrant. My SO immigrated to the USA. My grandparents on my mom's side were immigrants. My dad came here the hard way- from Poland via a Siberian labor camp to Britain. He lost all of his foreign education credits (Doctorate in Physics from Poland and Master in Economics from London) but he worked his way up from bookeeper to accountant and auditor. My SO walked out of Hungary in 1956 and was plunked into second grade not speaking a lick of English. Now he works as a computer/ engineering guru for a major university. But they were LEGAL immigrants. They worked hard and they assimilated.

And then aside from feelings of cultural lifeboatism, there's the whole issue of having a whole population of desperate workers. Why export your business when you've got a foreign, intimidated population right at home? Illegal immigration is good for agribusiness, homeowners who want to pay rock-bottom dollar for a 24-7 nanny, and construction companies but does it do any good for the average US worker to be competing on those grounds?


http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=19153


Quote:

In addition, the Mexican government actually provides information on how to evade US Immigration.

The "special relationship" that Bush and Fox share is the "special relationship" of two extremely corrupt wealthy men: one who uses emigration to let the steam out of incipient reform at home, the other who uses immigration to lower wages and benefits in favor of corporations. And we're expected to play that rigged game? I don't think so.


http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=19153&mid=2
82729


Quote:

Hubby and I were talking about Brexit the other day, and he said something that I recognized- with a little shock- as being true. In essence, he said that the globalists have been working on destroying nations for over 50 years. The push for globalism isn't about multicultural acceptance or "helping" the poor, the real driver of globalism is -of course- profit: creating the ability of transnational corporations to relocate their production lines to cheap labor nations and sell into other nations without fear of tariff. Centralizing banking into a few transnational entities, enforcing neoliberal "austerity" as economic policy. Allowing international currency speculation. Slopping people back and forth across the globe, creating chaos everywhere.

How to go about destroying a nation? By moving its financial decision-making processes to private central banks and the IMF. By requiring trade decisions to be made by secret arbitration panels which rule according to trade deals negotiated in secret. Allowing foreign speculation in national assets. Buying off the top politicians of each nation. Bombing the snot out of some, if necessary, and destabilizing others which resist being incorporated. By creating "refugee" crises and immigration crises which create masses desperate for jobs at any wage.

For those of you who think that I'm a dyed-in-the-wool (fill in the blank) I'd like you to realize that my thinking has evolved over time. Years earlier, I shared the liberal POV on illegal immigrants. I wanted to "help" them. Then, at some point, and with a little reflection, I realized that the liberal POV of "helping" illegal immigrants wasn't really helpful at all. That if we REALLY wanted to help immigrants, and bring them into our nation on helpful basis, we would be doing far, far more than what we're currently doing. In my mind, I generated a whole program of things that we should be doing ... and then quickly realized that (1) We would be treating immigrants better than citizens and (2) Our economy couldn't accommodate the millions of people who would be accessing those programs, and we would sooner rather than later kill the goose that was laying that golden egg.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60658

Quote:

I would eliminate the whole "born in the USA" 14th amendment, and make English the official language.

In return, I would provide a path forward to citizenship for all illegal residents, provided that they could prove residency for ten (15?) years, were not convicted of any crime other than illegal immigration, and learned to speak English FLUENTLY. After that?? NO MERCY to illegals, and no more anchor babies!


http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57542

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, May 3, 2018 3:41 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
JSF, are you posting drunk? I can't imagine what you THINK I'm saying, but apparently it's the opposite of what I meant.

I wasn't posting that legal immigrants "should" be for illegal immigration,




Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Before Trump was elected, I talked to a lot of people about immigration, and I was shocked - shocked, I tell you- how many people supported Trump's POV on this issue. I even mentioned it here, more than once: The demographic that should have been exactly the demographic NOT supporting Trump - female, Asian, immigrant (legal), technically-trained (in other words, not white, uneducated, American-born men) - were universally 100% in support of Trump. Since then, I've met two more of the same category (one Taiwanese and one Japanese) who feel the same way.

Why would you imagine this particular demographic (other than gender) supporting Illegal uneducated criminal Aliens jumping to the front of the waiting line before legal immigrants?
They would need to be crazy to do that.

Rereading yet again, trying to translate apparently common American English clear language into whatever interpretation that 6ix is imagining.
Not getting it.

Also, not elaborated specifically in this thread, but Asian is pertinent because Asians cannot merely walk across the land border from their Country of Origin and plant themselves at the front of the line for Total Allowed Immigrants, like Mexicans do every day. And travel across the Pacific is more arduous than Atlantic shipping.

OK, I must have misunderstood your post here.


FWIW, my paternal grandfather's brothers were born before immigrating, in the family's country of origin, in Yurp. But an uncle invented the multi-piston internal combustion engine, and has a Detroit Highway named for him.
My paternal grandmother's family traces back to immigrating in the 17th century, Founding Jamestown MA, and including a President.
My maternal grandfather's siblings were born before immigrating from their Country of Origin in Yurp, and their father contracted for many years of indentured servitude.
My maternal grandmother's family immigrated one or two generations before, her mother immigrating after birth in Canada.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, May 3, 2018 11:13 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Your comprehension is abysmal.



Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

OK, I must have misunderstood your post here.




So. I guess my comprehension is pretty on point, huh?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, May 3, 2018 2:28 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Your comprehension is abysmal.


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
OK, I must have misunderstood your post here.


So. I guess my comprehension is pretty on point, huh?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I have no idea.
She says she meant the opposite of what she seemed to post, so I have no idea what she is talking about.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, May 3, 2018 3:22 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Her first post on May 2nd seemed pretty clear to me.

It's obvious that I understood exactly what she posted, and that you're still struggling with it.

Either Sigs and I have got some sort of telepathic bond, or you need to try harder.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, May 3, 2018 7:55 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Maybe this explanation will help

Quote:

Before Trump was elected, I talked to a lot of people about immigration, and I was shocked - shocked, I tell you-
A bit of irony, I was exaggerating for effect

Quote:

how many people supported Trump's POV on this issue. I even mentioned it here, more than once: The demographic that should have been exactly the demographic NOT supporting Trump
according to the mainstream news

Quote:

- female, Asian, immigrant (legal), technically-trained (in other words, not white, uneducated, American-born men) - were universally 100% in support of Trump. Since then, I've met two more of the same category (one Taiwanese and one Japanese) who feel the same way.
I was simply trying to express the surprise I felt when I discovered the vast gulf between what was in the mainstream news versus what I was finding in real life.

When "Californians", "people of color", "immigrants", "the educated", and "women" were universally portrayed as Hillary's natural constituents by the MSM, opening up a conversation with anyone about how they felt about illegal immigration was a delicate process! Even more so with the Taiwanese, Chinese, Burmese, Philippina, and Vietnamese chemists and technicians who were my colleagues, who tend to be private about their political opinions and beliefs and more-or-less fall in line with the "established order". But boy, did I get an earful! They were universally outraged about illegals and scornful of our system.



-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, May 3, 2018 11:04 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Maybe this explanation will help
Quote:

Before Trump was elected, I talked to a lot of people about immigration, and I was shocked - shocked, I tell you-
A bit of irony, I was exaggerating for effect
Quote:

how many people supported Trump's POV on this issue. I even mentioned it here, more than once: The demographic that should have been exactly the demographic NOT supporting Trump

That does help. I looked and looked and searched that for indication of sarcasm, and could not find it. The phrase was suspect, but everything around it was devoid of sarcastic tone or substance.
That reverses everything.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, May 4, 2018 2:33 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


So. I guess my comprehension is pretty on point, huh?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, May 4, 2018 4:08 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
So. I guess my comprehension is pretty on point, huh?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

No.
What she said is what I read, and understood. What she meant was the opposite of what she said, which she just explained.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, May 4, 2018 5:24 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
So. I guess my comprehension is pretty on point, huh?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

No.
What she said is what I read, and understood. What she meant was the opposite of what she said, which she just explained.



Being able to discern between legitimate beliefs and sarcasm online is a valuable skill that can preempt a lot of silly arguments. Being able to properly convey sarcasm is equally important.

It's hard to tell if it's because I've known Signy as long as I have here or because I'm just naturally good at this, but at no point of her post did I believe that she was posting what you thought she was.

We are not robots, and people will not post everything exactly as they mean it all of the time online. I would think that you would know this by now.


Not only that, but I called this on May 2nd when I told Signy that you guys weren't really arguing and that you had misunderstood her. Not only is my reading comprehension on point, but I go above and beyond that to understand the actual intent posted with the information as presented.



There were plenty of clues that she was using sarcasm. This is a skill that you would benefit from picking up in 2018 and beyond.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, May 7, 2018 1:04 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I heard that Reuters/ipsos is embargoing their own poll regarding Trump and GOP. It is so disastrous for Libtards that they are telling everybody that their own poll is wrong, they don't believe their own results.

Several polls have shown Trump approval ratings over 50%. I have heard this is 5% higher than Obama's highest rating, but I don't recall what Obama's poll ratings were. I've heard some comparisons to Obama's rating at similar point during his Regime.

Nobody seems able to recall when any polling organization has proclaimed that their own poll was WRONG! FAKE! UNBELIEVABLE!
Too funny. Libtard brains imploding all over.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, May 8, 2018 9:51 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I heard that Reuters/ipsos is embargoing their own poll regarding Trump and GOP. It is so disastrous for Libtards that they are telling everybody that their own poll is wrong, they don't believe their own results.

Several polls have shown Trump approval ratings over 50%. I have heard this is 5% higher than Obama's highest rating, but I don't recall what Obama's poll ratings were. I've heard some comparisons to Obama's rating at similar point during his Regime.

Nobody seems able to recall when any polling organization has proclaimed that their own poll was WRONG! FAKE! UNBELIEVABLE!
Too funny. Libtard brains imploding all over.



Well.... if you include hindsight the polls showing Hillary winning in a landslide were a bit of an embarrassing miscalculation for most of the major polls.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, May 8, 2018 2:20 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I heard that Reuters/ipsos is embargoing their own poll regarding Trump and GOP. It is so disastrous for Libtards that they are telling everybody that their own poll is wrong, they don't believe their own results.

Several polls have shown Trump approval ratings over 50%. I have heard this is 5% higher than Obama's highest rating, but I don't recall what Obama's poll ratings were. I've heard some comparisons to Obama's rating at similar point during his Regime.

Nobody seems able to recall when any polling organization has proclaimed that their own poll was WRONG! FAKE! UNBELIEVABLE!
Too funny. Libtard brains imploding all over.

Well.... if you include hindsight the polls showing Hillary winning in a landslide were a bit of an embarrassing miscalculation for most of the major polls.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

This is not hindsight, this is at the time they present the poll, the results.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, May 8, 2018 7:41 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I heard that Reuters/ipsos is embargoing their own poll regarding Trump and GOP. It is so disastrous for Libtards that they are telling everybody that their own poll is wrong, they don't believe their own results.

Several polls have shown Trump approval ratings over 50%. I have heard this is 5% higher than Obama's highest rating, but I don't recall what Obama's poll ratings were. I've heard some comparisons to Obama's rating at similar point during his Regime.

Nobody seems able to recall when any polling organization has proclaimed that their own poll was WRONG! FAKE! UNBELIEVABLE!
Too funny. Libtard brains imploding all over.

Well.... if you include hindsight the polls showing Hillary winning in a landslide were a bit of an embarrassing miscalculation for most of the major polls.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

This is not hindsight, this is at the time they present the poll, the results.



Yeah, I know. I was just being cheeky.

I don't doubt those polls. If you spend too much time online in places like the RWED, you'd think the sky was falling and Trump was 2 seconds away at any given moment from either destroying the world or getting impeached.

Most people I talk to don't discuss politics and nobody's going around acting like the end of the world is looming. Those that do talk politics don't seem to think he's doing that bad of a job.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

YOUR OPTIONS

NEW POSTS TODAY

USERPOST DATE

OTHER TOPICS

DISCUSSIONS
The Memory Hole
Sat, May 26, 2018 01:54 - 10 posts
Countdown Clock to Trumps impeachment " STARTS"
Fri, May 25, 2018 21:16 - 1087 posts
You can't take the sky from me, a tribute to Firefly
Fri, May 25, 2018 18:35 - 173 posts
North Korea
Fri, May 25, 2018 18:32 - 70 posts
Congressman Matt Gaetz Issues Statement Demanding Intelligence Committee Release Classified Memo on DOJ and FBI to Public After Viewing Documen
Fri, May 25, 2018 17:41 - 378 posts
Dow @ 20K. Time to jump off!
Fri, May 25, 2018 16:31 - 495 posts
A thread for Democrats Only
Fri, May 25, 2018 15:40 - 1223 posts
The Anti-Trump Libtards Running The Trump-Russia-Collusion Farce
Fri, May 25, 2018 13:27 - 63 posts
In the garden, and RAIN!!!!
Fri, May 25, 2018 13:27 - 581 posts
The Evidens
Fri, May 25, 2018 10:36 - 938 posts
The Unemployment Rate Facts
Fri, May 25, 2018 04:49 - 137 posts
The predictions thread
Thu, May 24, 2018 23:20 - 704 posts

FFF.NET SOCIAL