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Monday, May 28, 2018 5:20 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


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The British State does not like dissent, let alone when it revolves around a charismatic and popular figure in the form of Tommy Robinson. I have never met Mr Robinson but I am well aware of the fact that he is a high profile individual who is outspoken on issues the Government finds sensitive, it not downright embarrassing. This has turned him into a walking talking target with his reputation, and now potentially his life, in the cross-hairs.


https://altnewsmedia.net/news/the-media-crucifixion-of-tommy-robinson/
Robinson has spoken out against the mainly Pakistani Muslim rape gangs that have spread across the country and it was against that context that he was arrested for “allegedly breaching the peace” today outside Leeds Crown court. Video footage of his arrest is available here. At a time when we are told that Policing is under-resourced due to savage cuts, it is instructive to observe the vast number of Police officers there to arrest Mr Robinson, an unarmed and defenseless man.

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Tommy Robinson protest: Hundreds demonstrate in Downing Street after far-right figure arrested


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/tommy-robinson-protest
-downing-street-whitehall-free-latest-arrest-police-a8371616.html

Groups descend on central London, where they are seen pumping fists and waving placards including one saying 'White Lives Matter'
Hundreds of demonstrators descended on Whitehall to protest against far-right figurehead Tommy Robinson’s arrest for allegedly breaching the peace outside a Leeds courthouse.

The area had to be closed to traffic as the group gathered outside Downing Street on Saturday afternoon.

arrest for journalism?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/05/26/right-wing-activist-tommy-robi
nson-reportedly-jailed-after-filming-outside-child-grooming-trial.html


activist Tommy Robinson reportedly jailed



Tommy Robinson, a British activist who fights and covers Islamic extremism in his country, was arrested and thrown in Jail for 13 months without due process yesterday. His crime was "disturbing the peace." He was livestreaming outside of the courthouse where islamic rape/molestation gangs were on trial in Leeds. He was not violent, he did not incite violence, he was simply reporting on a matter that the british government apparantly wants to have zero publicity, the fact that there are gangs of non-ethnic british running amok in almost all major cities molesting and trafficking white british girls. Almost certaintly, Tommy Robinson will run into danger in his 13 months in jail. They are filled with islamic criminals who will not be happy with Tommy Robinson's tough stance on Islam in general.
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2399998-Tommy-Robinson-Arrested
The second part is perhaps worse. A judge ruled that no one may report on the matter of Tommy's arrest. Articles about his arrest and immediate imprisonment are being erased and redacted in real time. Already the Birmingham Life, the Mirror, RT, Breitbart, the Daily Record, and the Sun have been deleted. You are not allowed to report or write about the subject if you fall under the jurisdiction of the British government.

So more importantly for fireflyfans real world...is the wacky pirate news angle....is there a globalist truther AlexJones David Icke style lizard conspiracy


...check the internets

the British media, judges, government may have arrested this 'embarassment' and then banned the media from talking about the arrest?

a sample of the online chat
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Stefan Molyneux True News (May 26, 2018) - Tommy Robinson Arrested and Imprisoned, Media Silenced
Ezra Levant: Tommy Robinson in prison (FULL STORY)
http://thepoliticsforums.com/threads/104491-Tommy-Robinson-arrested-to
day
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Arrested for "Breaching the Peace" http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/528.1055453-Tommy-Robinson
-Arrested-for-Breaching-the-Peace
more http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1085026,1085093,quote=1 Tommy Robinson is still in jail after being arrested for reporting on the trial of an alleged Muslim child rape gang the government wanted to keep under wraps. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102842-Tommy-Robinson-a
rrested-for-no-reason
Orwellian nightmare, with a huge dose of islamic extremism making the whole place a complete chithole. https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=175793471 Wait I'm confused. How can a UK law stop foreign media from covering an event? https://kiwifarms.net/threads/uk-gag-on-tommy-robison-arrest-has-resul
ted-in-international-censorship.43526
/ British govt scrubs reports of tommy robinson arrest you get arrested for "reporting"?
He has been sentenced to 13 months.
http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?2,1147980,1148225
His case is closed.

I just realized this post could get me arrested in England. Is 2018 1984? We have some serious problems I never expected to live to see.
https://forums.armchairgeneral.com/forum/current-events/europe/5035320
-tommy-robinson-arrested


Considering your authoritarian leftist state has placed a reporting can on his sentencing you're unlikely to find British reports of it.
http://forum.thoroughbredvillage.com.au/tommy-robinson_topic62368.html For those who don't know child grooming is behavior that coerces children into sexual relationships and/or prostitution and in the UK the problem exploded when /cough certain people started arriving en mass.

The reason for this thread is to demonstrate why our freedom of speech is so valuable and how easy it is for those with power to oppress people that don't have that right.

We're being subjected to a bit of that oppression right now by social media giants like Faceboook, Instagram, Reddit, YouTube, etc, who vindictively censor or outright ban opinions and people they don't like.

Something that large can only grow and since the aims of those same people is to control our government it only stands to reason that should they be successful then we could possibly endure similar treatment as Tommy Robinson one day. http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/tommy-robinson-arreste
d-outside-child-grooming-trial-for-%E2%80%98breaching-the-peace.533586
/ and https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=321916
... Tommy Robinson https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1732206 .... Press being suppressed in U.K over Tommy Robinson arrest https://nebulous.cloud/threads/press-being-suppressed-in-u-k-over-tomm
y-robinson-arrest.31317
/ .... https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Are-you-guys-watching-the-arrest-o
f-journalist-Tommy-Robinson-in-the-UK-/5-2114333
/ Tommy Robinson, well known journalist reporting on the Muslim grooming gangs in the UK was arrested while reporting on the trial of Muslim child rapists. Suspicions point toward recently appointed Muslims in their "judicial system". UK gov has a media black out on all corporate news agencies. People are climbing walls to protest. Things are getting really, really frisky over there. ... https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=175793471 Jailed for "Breach of the Peace" https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/tommy-robinson-jailed-for-breach-
of-the-peace.2120300
/ Tommy Robinson: Arrest and Gag order in the UK https://forum.samharris.org/forum/viewthread/71044/


?

So now the police behave like some dictatorship in Africa, South America, the Middle East or a Commie Fascist State in Eastern Europe? this 'troublesome' guy he wasn't arrested..he was sent right to prison?
and journalists are banned and censored from talking about the news?

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Monday, May 28, 2018 6:54 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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You've got to love how they refer to him as "far right" a half dozen times.

"Far right" in the UK is moderate in the US.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, May 28, 2018 9:15 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


How Barbra Streisand pre Meme Times, Inspired the “Streisand Effect


The Streisand effect is a phenomenon whereby an attempt to hide, remove, or censor a piece of information has the unintended consequence of publicizing the information more widely


what a mess

Tommy Robinson arrested for using free speech
https://zeldadungeon.net/forum/threads/tommy-robinson-arrested-for-usi
ng-free-speech.62764
/

Tommy Robinson has been arrested
https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/2283059/tommy-robinson-has-be
en-arrested/p12


UPDATE: Breitbart forced to take down story about Tommy Robinson's arrest.

Luckily archives are forever. Here's the story if you haven't seen it yet. https://t.co/vhkNpBUy6B pic.twitter.com/WpZgnD3MkN

UPDATE 2: Mirror's article on Tommy Robinson's arrest is ALSO GONE.

Media stories are being SUPPRESSED.

Again here's an archive of the story THAT WAS DELETED. https://t.co/lETdZLibxn pic.twitter.com/8RczEt3Lpd

— Nick Monroe (@nickmon1112) May 25, 2018

Update 4: Russia Today (RT) article on Tommy Robinson arrest is GONE.

Here's an archive of what was there. https://t.co/UeCvUfZd5X pic.twitter.com/H8eTW1M4Ml

— Nick Monroe (@nickmon1112) May 25, 2018

The list goes on.

Tommy Robinson arrested
https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/tommy-robinson-arrested.2775
16/page-26


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You've got to love how they refer to him as "far right" a half dozen times.

"Far right" in the UK is moderate in the US.




O have a feeling England, Sweden, France have become almost leftwing regimes where classic Liberal Libertarians are seen as 'FarRight'

more on Londonistan or Britbongistan

https://www.freespeechtime.net/2018/05/watch-tommy-robinson-arrested-f
or.html


Freedom of speech isdead in Great Britain as Tommy is arrested for reporting on Muslim rape gangs.

https://www.citizenfreepress.com/column-2/raw-video-tommy-robinson-get
s-arrested-for-reporting-on-muslim-gangs
/

Tommy Robinson has been arrested outside a court for allegedly breaching the peace.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/05/25/tommy-robinson-arrested-outside-child-g
rooming-trial-breaching-peace-7579280
/


Tommy Robinson Arrested and Imprisoned, Media Silenced
https://the-fringe.com/thread-tommy_robinson_arrested_and_imprisoned_m
edia_silenced_stefan_molyneux_mereged?page=3


Wow, Tommy Robinson arrested, Judge tells media to delete
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/wow-tommy-robinson-arrest
ed-judge-tells-media-to-delete/76916489
/







Geert Wilders
? https://twitter.com/geertwilderspvv/status/1000796346515951616

Court order to forbid press coverage about the scandalous arrest of Tommy Robinson.

This is how they fight us.
They imprison us and order silence. Totalitarianism.

what does the BBC say?

what will be reported?

Westminster paedophile ring: Was second man killed over child abuse cover-up?
A council official and a caretaker may have been killed to stop them exposing a Westminster paedophile ring, Labour’s John Mann said
Profile image of authorDaily Mirror?


Tommy Robinson, an outspoken critic of the UK’s anti-free speech laws and affinity for giving Muslim migrant criminals a pass, has been arrested and sentenced. For live-streaming the ongoings of a trail of Muslim child rapists. For this, the tyrants of the UK police state arrested Robinson for a “breach of the peace.” Warning to any sensitive Britons reading this post: a lot of derision for your country’s government incoming. Because holy hell, the UK is a giant sh!*thole.
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/tommy-robinson-arrested-jailed-for-r
ecording-muslim-gang-rape-trial
/

Thesi Scarlatti van Arensbergen
https://www.facebook.com/ScarlattiBombatti/posts/10211978716487671

Geert Wilders Geverifieerd account @geertwilderspvv 2 uur geleden
My statement in front of the British Embassy in The Hague today.

Free Tommy Robinson!
Restore Freedom Of Speech!..

George Galloway
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialGeorgeGalloway/videos/101563291433807
97
/

Hail Hail Tommy’s in Jail ( Again) # TommyRobinson


Katie Hopkins
? https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1000497957643448321

It begins. The U.K. Establishment should know. Our biggest fear is not our personal demise, but the death of this once great country. #TommyRobinson #Tommy

Tommy Robinson, a well known political activist warning of the dangers of Islamic extremism, was arrested Friday while doing a live-feed report online about the trial of Muslim gang members accused of grooming young girls for a prostitution ring
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/05/tommy_robinson_arrested_i
n_england_while_reporting_on_trial_of_muslim_grooming_gang.html


Tommy Robinson’s arrest shocks the world: “It’s Tommy today, but it’s you tomorrow”
https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/05/tommy-robinsons-arrest-shocks-the-wo
rld-its-tommy-today-but-its-you-tomorrow
/

England turning into an authoritarian nightmare?

UK Journalist Tommy Robinson Jailed For Reporting On Muslim Gang Rape Trial
https://www.chicksonright.com/2018/05/26/uk-journalist-tommy-robinson-
jailed-for-reporting-on-muslim-gang-rape-trial
/


Tommy Robinson Arrested
https://www.libertariannews.org/2018/05/25/tommy-robinson-arrested/
.... was yanked off the street and thrown in jail for 13 months for contempt of court because he was live streaming the trial of a rape gang from the court house steps. The British Government then ordered the story of his arrest be removed from news sites

1984: Gov. Force Breitbart To Delete Tommy Robinson Arrest Article
https://yournewswire.com/1984-uk-gov-breitbart-tommy-robinson-arrest/

Tommy Robinson’s arrest quickly scrubbed from Internet
http://freewestmedia.com/2018/05/27/tommy-robinsons-arrest-quickly-scr
ubbed-from-internet
/
It has been called "Orwell’s Nightmare" after reports about the arrest and imprisonment of activist Tommy Robinson were quickly scrubbed from the internet because of a UK government-imposed media crackdown on reports exposing Muslim crimes against British children.






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Monday, May 28, 2018 3:35 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Incidentally, Tommy Robinson was one of the ones speaking out right after Mark Meechan was found guilty for his youtube video... one that cops had come to his door and arrested him for making.

Tommy made an ass out of one of the reporters on the scene.

The Queen doesn't take kindly to people making her Mediabots look bad.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, May 28, 2018 5:26 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
How Barbra Streisand pre Meme Times, Inspired the “Streisand Effect


The Streisand effect is a phenomenon whereby an attempt to hide, remove, or censor a piece of information has the unintended consequence of publicizing the information more widely


what a mess

Tommy Robinson arrested for using free speech
https://zeldadungeon.net/forum/threads/tommy-robinson-arrested-for-usi
ng-free-speech.62764
/

Tommy Robinson has been arrested
https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/2283059/tommy-robinson-has-be
en-arrested/p12


UPDATE: Breitbart forced to take down story about Tommy Robinson's arrest.

Luckily archives are forever. Here's the story if you haven't seen it yet. https://t.co/vhkNpBUy6B pic.twitter.com/WpZgnD3MkN

UPDATE 2: Mirror's article on Tommy Robinson's arrest is ALSO GONE.

Media stories are being SUPPRESSED.

Again here's an archive of the story THAT WAS DELETED. https://t.co/lETdZLibxn pic.twitter.com/8RczEt3Lpd

— Nick Monroe (@nickmon1112) May 25, 2018

Update 4: Russia Today (RT) article on Tommy Robinson arrest is GONE.

Here's an archive of what was there. https://t.co/UeCvUfZd5X pic.twitter.com/H8eTW1M4Ml

— Nick Monroe (@nickmon1112) May 25, 2018

The list goes on.

Tommy Robinson arrested
https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/tommy-robinson-arrested.2775
16/page-26


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You've got to love how they refer to him as "far right" a half dozen times.

"Far right" in the UK is moderate in the US.




O have a feeling England, Sweden, France have become almost leftwing regimes where classic Liberal Libertarians are seen as 'FarRight'

more on Londonistan or Britbongistan

https://www.freespeechtime.net/2018/05/watch-tommy-robinson-arrested-f
or.html


Freedom of speech isdead in Great Britain as Tommy is arrested for reporting on Muslim rape gangs.

https://www.citizenfreepress.com/column-2/raw-video-tommy-robinson-get
s-arrested-for-reporting-on-muslim-gangs
/

Tommy Robinson has been arrested outside a court for allegedly breaching the peace.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/05/25/tommy-robinson-arrested-outside-child-g
rooming-trial-breaching-peace-7579280
/


Tommy Robinson Arrested and Imprisoned, Media Silenced
https://the-fringe.com/thread-tommy_robinson_arrested_and_imprisoned_m
edia_silenced_stefan_molyneux_mereged?page=3


Wow, Tommy Robinson arrested, Judge tells media to delete
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/wow-tommy-robinson-arrest
ed-judge-tells-media-to-delete/76916489
/







Geert Wilders
? https://twitter.com/geertwilderspvv/status/1000796346515951616

Court order to forbid press coverage about the scandalous arrest of Tommy Robinson.

This is how they fight us.
They imprison us and order silence. Totalitarianism.

what does the BBC say?

what will be reported?

Westminster paedophile ring: Was second man killed over child abuse cover-up?
A council official and a caretaker may have been killed to stop them exposing a Westminster paedophile ring, Labour’s John Mann said
Profile image of authorDaily Mirror?


Tommy Robinson, an outspoken critic of the UK’s anti-free speech laws and affinity for giving Muslim migrant criminals a pass, has been arrested and sentenced. For live-streaming the ongoings of a trail of Muslim child rapists. For this, the tyrants of the UK police state arrested Robinson for a “breach of the peace.” Warning to any sensitive Britons reading this post: a lot of derision for your country’s government incoming. Because holy hell, the UK is a giant sh!*thole.
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/tommy-robinson-arrested-jailed-for-r
ecording-muslim-gang-rape-trial
/

Thesi Scarlatti van Arensbergen
https://www.facebook.com/ScarlattiBombatti/posts/10211978716487671

Geert Wilders Geverifieerd account @geertwilderspvv 2 uur geleden
My statement in front of the British Embassy in The Hague today.

Free Tommy Robinson!
Restore Freedom Of Speech!..

George Galloway
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialGeorgeGalloway/videos/101563291433807
97
/

Hail Hail Tommy’s in Jail ( Again) # TommyRobinson


Katie Hopkins
? https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1000497957643448321

It begins. The U.K. Establishment should know. Our biggest fear is not our personal demise, but the death of this once great country. #TommyRobinson #Tommy

Tommy Robinson, a well known political activist warning of the dangers of Islamic extremism, was arrested Friday while doing a live-feed report online about the trial of Muslim gang members accused of grooming young girls for a prostitution ring
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/05/tommy_robinson_arrested_i
n_england_while_reporting_on_trial_of_muslim_grooming_gang.html


Tommy Robinson’s arrest shocks the world: “It’s Tommy today, but it’s you tomorrow”
https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/05/tommy-robinsons-arrest-shocks-the-wo
rld-its-tommy-today-but-its-you-tomorrow
/

England turning into an authoritarian nightmare?

UK Journalist Tommy Robinson Jailed For Reporting On Muslim Gang Rape Trial
https://www.chicksonright.com/2018/05/26/uk-journalist-tommy-robinson-
jailed-for-reporting-on-muslim-gang-rape-trial
/


Tommy Robinson Arrested
https://www.libertariannews.org/2018/05/25/tommy-robinson-arrested/
.... was yanked off the street and thrown in jail for 13 months for contempt of court because he was live streaming the trial of a rape gang from the court house steps. The British Government then ordered the story of his arrest be removed from news sites

1984: Gov. Force Breitbart To Delete Tommy Robinson Arrest Article
https://yournewswire.com/1984-uk-gov-breitbart-tommy-robinson-arrest/

Tommy Robinson’s arrest quickly scrubbed from Internet
http://freewestmedia.com/2018/05/27/tommy-robinsons-arrest-quickly-scr
ubbed-from-internet
/
It has been called "Orwell’s Nightmare" after reports about the arrest and imprisonment of activist Tommy Robinson were quickly scrubbed from the internet because of a UK government-imposed media crackdown on reports exposing Muslim crimes against British children.

I had read that Tommy had claimed "Free Speech" yet this post clarifies that he protests the fact that Britain does not have Free Speech but does have Anti-Free Speech Laws.

USA sometimes has Freedom of Speech, but Clintons and Obama were able to quash that by Classifying uncomfortable truths which they felt were unflattering. Not sure if Brits are copying Clintons here, or vice versa.

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Tuesday, May 29, 2018 12:10 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I had read that Tommy had claimed "Free Speech" yet this post clarifies that he protests the fact that Britain does not have Free Speech but does have Anti-Free Speech Laws.

USA sometimes has Freedom of Speech, but Clintons and Obama were able to quash that by Classifying uncomfortable truths which they felt were unflattering. Not sure if Brits are copying Clintons here, or vice versa.



It's definitely vice versa. We still have free speech here... at least, more than anywhere else in the world. We're the only country that has it written as a basic right in their Constitution. To say our level of freedom of speech is anywhere as low as Britain or Scotland is hyperbole.

I think that's what Mark Meechan and Tommy Robinson are trying to prove to everyone else right now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, May 29, 2018 1:08 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I had read that Tommy had claimed "Free Speech" yet this post clarifies that he protests the fact that Britain does not have Free Speech but does have Anti-Free Speech Laws.

USA sometimes has Freedom of Speech, but Clintons and Obama were able to quash that by Classifying uncomfortable truths which they felt were unflattering. Not sure if Brits are copying Clintons here, or vice versa.


It's definitely vice versa. We still have free speech here... at least, more than anywhere else in the world. We're the only country that has it written as a basic right in their Constitution. To say our level of freedom of speech is anywhere as low as Britain or Scotland is hyperbole.

I think that's what Mark Meechan and Tommy Robinson are trying to prove to everyone else right now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The vice versa would be Clintons copying the quashing of Free Speech practiced by Brits.

I would feel negligent to not also point out that there is actually no True Free Speech. There is always a cost. Freedom of Speech is an idea, an ideal, an illusion, not an actual practice. Under Clinton the jeopardy was much greater - particularly loss of Life, Liberty, or Pursuit of Happiness.

Freedom of Speech was such a controversial and radical concept that it is not actually included in The Constitution as ratified. But it is one of the 6 Rights granted or endorsed within the Amendment to The Constitution which was First Ratified.

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Tuesday, May 29, 2018 2:13 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I had read that Tommy had claimed "Free Speech" yet this post clarifies that he protests the fact that Britain does not have Free Speech but does have Anti-Free Speech Laws.

USA sometimes has Freedom of Speech, but Clintons and Obama were able to quash that by Classifying uncomfortable truths which they felt were unflattering. Not sure if Brits are copying Clintons here, or vice versa.


It's definitely vice versa. We still have free speech here... at least, more than anywhere else in the world. We're the only country that has it written as a basic right in their Constitution. To say our level of freedom of speech is anywhere as low as Britain or Scotland is hyperbole.

I think that's what Mark Meechan and Tommy Robinson are trying to prove to everyone else right now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The vice versa would be Clintons copying the quashing of Free Speech practiced by Brits.

I would feel negligent to not also point out that there is actually no True Free Speech. There is always a cost. Freedom of Speech is an idea, an ideal, an illusion, not an actual practice. Under Clinton the jeopardy was much greater - particularly loss of Life, Liberty, or Pursuit of Happiness.

Freedom of Speech was such a controversial and radical concept that it is not actually included in The Constitution as ratified. But it is one of the 6 Rights granted or endorsed within the Amendment to The Constitution which was First Ratified.



The same could be said about threats to Freedom of Speech enacted by republican leaders like GWB and tools in The Patriot Act. Attacks on Freedom of Speech is not a partisan issue.

Freedom of Speech in America is not an illusion. I think you need to pay more attention to cases like Robinson's and Meechan's as examples of living in a supposed "Democracy" that makes no such provisions compared to our own. That's not even to mention places like China where just Google searching something they don't want you to could put you in the Gulag.

There can very well be a cost for the use of Freedom of Speech though, particularly if you're using it in places where it's not appropriate. In America though, these costs generally tend to be social costs, such as being ostracized by people or even the loss of a job for speaking your mind, and generally do not ultimately end in criminal charges.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, May 29, 2018 2:27 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I had read that Tommy had claimed "Free Speech" yet this post clarifies that he protests the fact that Britain does not have Free Speech but does have Anti-Free Speech Laws.

USA sometimes has Freedom of Speech, but Clintons and Obama were able to quash that by Classifying uncomfortable truths which they felt were unflattering. Not sure if Brits are copying Clintons here, or vice versa.


It's definitely vice versa. We still have free speech here... at least, more than anywhere else in the world. We're the only country that has it written as a basic right in their Constitution. To say our level of freedom of speech is anywhere as low as Britain or Scotland is hyperbole.

I think that's what Mark Meechan and Tommy Robinson are trying to prove to everyone else right now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The vice versa would be Clintons copying the quashing of Free Speech practiced by Brits.

I would feel negligent to not also point out that there is actually no True Free Speech. There is always a cost. Freedom of Speech is an idea, an ideal, an illusion, not an actual practice. Under Clinton the jeopardy was much greater - particularly loss of Life, Liberty, or Pursuit of Happiness.

Freedom of Speech was such a controversial and radical concept that it is not actually included in The Constitution as ratified. But it is one of the 6 Rights granted or endorsed within the Amendment to The Constitution which was First Ratified.

The same could be said about threats to Freedom of Speech enacted by republican leaders like GWB and tools in The Patriot Act. Attacks on Freedom of Speech is not a partisan issue.

Freedom of Speech in America is not an illusion. I think you need to pay more attention to cases like Robinson's and Meechan's as examples of living in a supposed "Democracy" that makes no such provisions compared to our own. That's not even to mention places like China where just Google searching something they don't want you to could put you in the Gulag.

There can very well be a cost for the use of Freedom of Speech though, particularly if you're using it in places where it's not appropriate. In America though, these costs generally tend to be social costs, such as being ostracized by people or even the loss of a job for speaking your mind, and generally do not ultimately end in criminal charges.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Democracy and Free Speech are not the same thing.
One big difference among nations is that without a 2nd Amendment, the 1st Amendment is meaningless.
And Clinton made sure the use of Criminal charges would be applied to silence Speech uncomfortable to them. Mere attacks against Free Speech should not be confused with Prohibition of Speech like Clinton did.

Sometimes death is the cost of Speech. In any event, the current Freedom of Speech was secured by the lives of those who fought for and defended the Rights of All American Citizens. Without the Fight for our Rights, we would have none. Despots and Dictators don't just hand out Rights.

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Tuesday, May 29, 2018 2:39 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Has any media produced a list of the different Muslim Gangs which the Brits are shielding? Or are Pakistanis the primary miscreants?



I gotta admit, the best part of this thread so far is White Lives Matter.

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Tuesday, May 29, 2018 4:45 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Democracy and Free Speech are not the same thing.



I know. That's what I've been saying, and Robinson and Meecham's cases are evidence of this and I can't imagine the UK government is too happy what a large spotlight this issue is getting right now.

Quote:

One big difference among nations is that without a 2nd Amendment, the 1st Amendment is meaningless.


Well... as far as I know we're the only one with either.

Quote:

And Clinton made sure the use of Criminal charges would be applied to silence Speech uncomfortable to them. Mere attacks against Free Speech should not be confused with Prohibition of Speech like Clinton did.


I'm going to need cites since I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to here.

Quote:

Sometimes death is the cost of Speech. In any event, the current Freedom of Speech was secured by the lives of those who fought for and defended the Rights of All American Citizens. Without the Fight for our Rights, we would have none. Despots and Dictators don't just hand out Rights.



True.

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Tuesday, May 29, 2018 6:05 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Democracy and Free Speech are not the same thing.


I know. That's what I've been saying, and Robinson and Meecham's cases are evidence of this and I can't imagine the UK government is too happy what a large spotlight this issue is getting right now.
Quote:

One big difference among nations is that without a 2nd Amendment, the 1st Amendment is meaningless.

Well... as far as I know we're the only one with either.
Quote:

And Clinton made sure the use of Criminal charges would be applied to silence Speech uncomfortable to them. Mere attacks against Free Speech should not be confused with Prohibition of Speech like Clinton did.

I'm going to need cites since I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to here.

Clinton would Classify any document which revealed lies he was Spinning.

One was the Autopsy Report on Commerce Secretary Ron Brown, who died from a bullet to the brain. To cover up this death, an entire plane was mysteriously crashed (no survivors). The handgun (from onboard the plane) was never found. Although he had died from the bullet prior to the plane crashing, the Clinton Spin was that Brown died from the plane crash. After the unclassified Autopsy photos were used in a seminar, which accidentally exposed the truth, those Doctors were transferred to Timbuktu (actually IIRC Barstow, AK) and the Autopsy was Classified, so anybody revealing it would be subject to National Security Laws, prison for Treason, and revocation of any Security Clearances. The Ron Brown funeral was the one where BJ Clinton was caught on film laughing and joking during the funeral.

Another example was the Crash Investigation Report of Navy Lt Kara Hultgreen. When the report showed clearly that the White House Spin was complete fabrication, and polar opposite of the truth, Clinton had it Classified also.

Sharing, transmitting, or even possessing copies of these documents became a violation of National Security. You go straight to prison, do not pass go, or get a trial.


After review, I see a copy of the MIR in a similar version to one I might have seen. It has leaked to the Internet.
www.panix.com/~baldwin/hultgreen_mir.txt
If you want to read it, the key parts are the Acronyms near the beginning, and at the end is section 12.Conclusions and look at B.
You might not like the format and syntax of military communications.
There were 9 Primary and 8 Secondary Causes of the crash. Primary Causes can each cause a crash individually. Secondary Causes can only contribute toward a crash, they cannot cause any crash on their own. All 9 of the Primary Causes and the first 6 of the Secondary Causes were Pilot Error.

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Tuesday, May 29, 2018 6:36 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Democracy and Free Speech are not the same thing.


I know. That's what I've been saying, and Robinson and Meecham's cases are evidence of this and I can't imagine the UK government is too happy what a large spotlight this issue is getting right now.
Quote:

One big difference among nations is that without a 2nd Amendment, the 1st Amendment is meaningless.

Well... as far as I know we're the only one with either.
Quote:

And Clinton made sure the use of Criminal charges would be applied to silence Speech uncomfortable to them. Mere attacks against Free Speech should not be confused with Prohibition of Speech like Clinton did.

I'm going to need cites since I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to here.

Clinton would Classify any document which revealed lies he was Spinning.

One was the Autopsy Report on Commerce Secretary Ron Brown, who died from a bullet to the brain. To cover up this death, an entire plane was mysteriously crashed (no survivors). The handgun was never found. Although he had died from the bullet prior to the plane crashing, the Clinton Spin was that Brown died from the plane crash. After the unclassified Autopsy photos were used in a seminar, which accidentally exposed the truth, those Doctors were transferred to Timbuktu and the Autopsy was Classified, so anybody revealing it would be subject to National Security Laws, and revocation of any Security Clearances. The Ron Brown funeral was the one where BJ Clinton was caught on film laughing and joking during the funeral.

Another example was the Crash Investigation Report of Navy Lt Kara Hultgreen. When the report showed clearly that the White House Spin was complete fabrication, and polar opposite of the truth, Clinton had it Classified also.

Sharing, transmitting, or even possessing copies of these documents became a violation of National Security. You go straight to prison, do not pass go, or get a trial.



I think it's a stretch calling this Prohibition of Speech, although I do think it's abuse of power to cause concern if it actually went down as you say.

I don't reckon there's any Administration that hasn't had plenty of classified documents for one reason or another. This is not an example of violations of Free Speech as we're discussing them in this thread, and I don't know what the purpose of this thread being obfuscated by this type of partisan rhetoric and he-said-she-said anecdotes is.

In fact, given that the citizens of the UK aren't constitutionally granted any rights to Freedom of Speech at all, there aren't any examples of Freedom of Speech being violated here in this thread if we're being completely honest.

I think that the lesson here for citizens of the UK is that it is high time they fight for their right to Free Speech, lest they find themselves in the Gulag one day for thoughtcrime.



It should be noted that Robinson's sentencing is being viewed as a death sentence by many citizens of the UK. There are many who don't think that he will survive his 11 month stint in prison. This was pointed out to the judge who issued the sentencing, to which his reply was "he knew what he was getting into".

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, May 29, 2018 8:05 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I added to my last post.

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Tuesday, May 29, 2018 8:54 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


I almost feel like I'm on a watchlist for opening up that doc now.

But I still stand by everything I said in my previous post.

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Thursday, May 31, 2018 2:28 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I had read that Tommy had claimed "Free Speech" yet this post clarifies that he protests the fact that Britain does not have Free Speech but does have Anti-Free Speech Laws.

USA sometimes has Freedom of Speech, but Clintons and Obama were able to quash that by Classifying uncomfortable truths which they felt were unflattering. Not sure if Brits are copying Clintons here, or vice versa.


It's definitely vice versa. We still have free speech here... at least, more than anywhere else in the world. We're the only country that has it written as a basic right in their Constitution. To say our level of freedom of speech is anywhere as low as Britain or Scotland is hyperbole.

I think that's what Mark Meechan and Tommy Robinson are trying to prove to everyone else right now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The vice versa would be Clintons copying the quashing of Free Speech practiced by Brits.

I would feel negligent to not also point out that there is actually no True Free Speech. There is always a cost. Freedom of Speech is an idea, an ideal, an illusion, not an actual practice. Under Clinton the jeopardy was much greater - particularly loss of Life, Liberty, or Pursuit of Happiness.

Freedom of Speech was such a controversial and radical concept that it is not actually included in The Constitution as ratified. But it is one of the 6 Rights granted or endorsed within the Amendment to The Constitution which was First Ratified.

The same could be said about threats to Freedom of Speech enacted by republican leaders like GWB and tools in The Patriot Act. Attacks on Freedom of Speech is not a partisan issue.

Freedom of Speech in America is not an illusion. I think you need to pay more attention to cases like Robinson's and Meechan's as examples of living in a supposed "Democracy" that makes no such provisions compared to our own. That's not even to mention places like China where just Google searching something they don't want you to could put you in the Gulag.

There can very well be a cost for the use of Freedom of Speech though, particularly if you're using it in places where it's not appropriate. In America though, these costs generally tend to be social costs, such as being ostracized by people or even the loss of a job for speaking your mind, and generally do not ultimately end in criminal charges.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Democracy and Free Speech are not the same thing.
One big difference among nations is that without a 2nd Amendment, the 1st Amendment is meaningless.
And Clinton made sure the use of Criminal charges would be applied to silence Speech uncomfortable to them. Mere attacks against Free Speech should not be confused with Prohibition of Speech like Clinton did.

Sometimes death is the cost of Speech. In any event, the current Freedom of Speech was secured by the lives of those who fought for and defended the Rights of All American Citizens. Without the Fight for our Rights, we would have none. Despots and Dictators don't just hand out Rights.

I was looking at the 1689 Bill of Rights. Apparently Brits DO have Freedom of Speech - but only in Parliament. Not sure, but I suspect that distills to Members of Parliament, unless Common folk speak in Parliament.

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Thursday, May 31, 2018 7:46 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I was looking at the 1689 Bill of Rights. Apparently Brits DO have Freedom of Speech - but only in Parliament. Not sure, but I suspect that distills to Members of Parliament, unless Common folk speak in Parliament.


Sounds to me like all that means is that the Trump's and Obama's of the UK have freedom of speech. Everybody else can go scratch.

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Saturday, June 9, 2018 3:34 AM

JAYNEZTOWN



Tommy Robinson 'Disappears': Free Speech in England Is Dead

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/06/tommy_robinson_disapp
ears_free_speech_in_england_is_dead.html


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I was looking at the 1689 Bill of Rights. Apparently Brits DO have Freedom of Speech - but only in Parliament. Not sure, but I suspect that distills to Members of Parliament, unless Common folk speak in Parliament.



Sounds to me like all that means is that the Trump's and Obama's of the UK have freedom of speech. Everybody else can go scratch.

Do Right, Be Right. :)


There is also a place or series of place names speakers corner if I recall. A tradiational debate area where open-air public speaking, debate, and discussion are allowed. They have tried similar 'speeker area' in other countries and it is usually not long before the government or some rioting mob steps in.

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Saturday, June 9, 2018 3:55 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Tommy Robinson 'Disappears': Free Speech in England Is Dead

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/06/tommy_robinson_disapp
ears_free_speech_in_england_is_dead.html


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I was looking at the 1689 Bill of Rights. Apparently Brits DO have Freedom of Speech - but only in Parliament. Not sure, but I suspect that distills to Members of Parliament, unless Common folk speak in Parliament.


Sounds to me like all that means is that the Trump's and Obama's of the UK have freedom of speech. Everybody else can go scratch.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

There is also a place or series of place names speakers corner if I recall. A tradiational debate area where open-air public speaking, debate, and discussion are allowed. They have tried similar 'speeker area' in other countries and it is usually not long before the government or some rioting mob steps in.

"Traditional"
Does that mean there are Legal Protections, Legislated Authority?

Do you know the Granting Authority of these?

Or is it merely a practice of non-enforcement?


So nobody in England is covering this, reporting to Brits? Is anybody in Yurp?

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Saturday, June 9, 2018 8:28 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


I couldn't tell you if it's getting any news coverage since I don't watch it.

There's a lot on YouTube about the situation though. If you want to know more, you should look at recent videos of Sargon of Akkad and Count Dankula.

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Saturday, June 9, 2018 8:45 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
... you should look at recent videos of Sargon of Akkad and Count Dankula.



Golly, they sure do sound like reputable sources of information! > *insert Deliverance banjo music here* <


Weren't you the one that was whining about "real names or it didn't happen!"

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Saturday, June 16, 2018 7:54 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


EU parliament SHUTS OFF mic of MEP calling attention to Tommy Robinson's safety among Muslim inmates

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=DfoEaR0jr4E

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Saturday, June 16, 2018 8:25 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
... you should look at recent videos of Sargon of Akkad and Count Dankula.



Golly, they sure do sound like reputable sources of information! > *insert Deliverance banjo music here* <


Weren't you the one that was whining about "real names or it didn't happen!"



Sargon of Akkad = Carl Benjamin

Count Dankula = Mark Meechan

There you go, dipshit.

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Sunday, June 17, 2018 2:13 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
EU parliament SHUTS OFF mic of MEP calling attention to Tommy Robinson's safety among Muslim inmates

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=DfoEaR0jr4E

I'm not sure how to describe Britain, is it a Banana Republic or an Orwellian Dictatorship? Or Kafkaesque?

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Monday, June 18, 2018 1:40 PM

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Tuesday, June 19, 2018 8:37 AM

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Yeah, but not by you. You're a vegan pussy.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 11:09 AM

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Yeah, but not by you. You're a vegan pussy.

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You're an alky who doesn't have enough balance to fight. I'd have you down and out in 3 seconds.

So would my guys, here. http://www.fuelforthefighter.com/the-fighter/

I am stronger and much more masculine than you. https://nutritionfacts.org/2013/02/12/less-cancer-in-vegan-men-despite
-more-testosterone
/

I not only outclass you intellectually, but physically, in every way. http://www.oneingredientchef.com/vegan-men/

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 11:59 AM

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Whatever you say man. At least I don't wear a mask like you and your antifa comrades.

Haven't had a drink in almost 19 months, kiddo. Try to keep up.



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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 2:13 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Whatever you say man. At least I don't wear a mask like you and your antifa comrades.

Haven't had a drink in almost 19 months, kiddo. Try to keep up.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

Dry drunk. Easily knocked out. Wouldn't break a sweat. Vegans are strong.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 3:21 PM

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No meat and no sunlight under those masks.

A strong wind would knock you over son.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 7:24 PM

REAVERFAN


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No meat and no sunlight under those masks.

A strong wind would knock you over son.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

As usual, I bring straight-up facts. All you have is fantasy.

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Thursday, July 12, 2018 7:47 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Just heard news report that a big Trump balloon will float over Parliament. They said the Mayor of London signed off on it, saying "Free Speech"

WAIT! Free Speech? In London?

Such a blatant lie could only be uttered by a non-reasonable person (aka Liberal).

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Thursday, July 12, 2018 8:34 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Just heard news report that a big Trump balloon will float over Parliament. They said the Mayor of London signed off on it, saying "Free Speech"

WAIT! Free Speech? In London?

Such a blatant lie could only be uttered by a non-reasonable person (aka Liberal).



There is no such thing as free speech in the UK. The US is the only country that has a written provision for it. This is actually pretty funny. Do you have a link?

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Thursday, July 12, 2018 9:32 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Just heard news report that a big Trump balloon will float over Parliament. They said the Mayor of London signed off on it, saying "Free Speech"

WAIT! Free Speech? In London?

Such a blatant lie could only be uttered by a non-reasonable person (aka Liberal).


There is no such thing as free speech in the UK. The US is the only country that has a written provision for it. This is actually pretty funny. Do you have a link?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Heard it on radio.

I didn't go thru all the results, but there were a bunch at DuckDuckGo with "baby Trump blimp London free speech"

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Thursday, July 12, 2018 10:07 AM

REAVERFAN


77% of British public have an unfavourable view of Donald Trump
http://www.itv.com/news/2018-07-12/77-of-british-public-have-an-unfavo
urable-view-of-donald-trump-ahead-of-his-visit-to-the-uk
/

http://goo.gl/images/rLiamL

Peaceful demonstration, which we on the left like, is different from violence, terrorism and murder, which fascists like Tommy and his ilk like.

That Nazi belongs in jail, not standing on a platform spewing your hate.

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