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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 2:41 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Concentration camps for babies and toddlers.

A 4th facility was approved for preparation by the hitlertrump
administration. They are called "tender age" shelters, so as to soften
the impact of the much-deserved ridicule and criticism of the trump regime.

All Hail Emperor trump!

An average of 70 children per day are being ripped away from the parents,
and will now be housed in these facilities. Where the staff cannot touch
or comfort them, by design, and will prove to stunt the development of
the growing child. Irreparable psychological damage will scar these
innocent children for life.

How fucked up is that! No human being should support this despicable act,
but if you do.......well, in about 15-20 years those same children will
grow to become the Freedom Fighters that will come to bite the trump
regime in the ass. I hope to live to see that day. Of course trump will be worm food by then. Pity, I would like very much for him to get his at
the hands of #47 (the little boy grown to adulthood and nicknamed -
The Terminator).

And Congress doesn't have the balls to do the right thing. So, this is
what it's come to!


SGG

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 3:37 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Hyperbole.


Don't cross the border illegally and this won't happen.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 11:42 AM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hyperbole.


Don't cross the border illegally and this won't happen.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Seeking asylum isn't illegal. Trump's intentional abuse of children is a crime.

And you wonder why we pity you, wet-brain.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 11:53 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 12:46 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hyperbole.


Don't cross the border illegally and this won't happen.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

It also would not happen if just two Republican senators refuse to support Trump judicial appointments and legislation until the cruelty stops; they could bring all the evil to a dead halt by threatening to caucus with Democrats. But not one has stepped forward – because taking such a step would endanger conservative economic policies, and those are evidently more important than human rights.

News item #1: The Trump administration is taking thousands of children away from their parents, and putting them in cages.

News item #2: House Republicans have released a budget plan that would follow up last year’s big tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy with huge funding cuts for Medicare and Medicaid.

If you think these items are unrelated, you’ve missed the whole story of modern American politics. Conservatism is all about a coalition between racists and plutocrats. It’s about people who want to do (2) empowering people who want to do (1), and vice versa.

Until Trump, the ugliness of this deal was cloaked in euphemisms. As Lee Atwater said,
Quote:

You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.
Now, to be fair, for a long time the GOP establishment managed to pull off a kind of bait-and-switch with this strategy, using race to motivate voters then putting the racism back in the closet once in office. George W. Bush did a lot of terrible things, but give him this much credit: he tried to dampen the xenophobia that was trying to break out after 9/11, rather than fanning the flames.

Ultimately, however, this bait-and-switch was bound to be unsustainable. Sooner or later the people who voted for white dominance at their own economic expense were going to find a white champion who would deliver.

And now they have. Trump doesn’t say “nigger, nigger, nigger” – or at least I haven’t seen that. But he does talk about “animals” trying to “infest” America, which is arguably even more dehumanizing. And the cruelty of his border policy actually surpasses the days of Jim Crow.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 1:06 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Having failed to make your case here...

This is Why Trump is a SCUMBAG!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62480

and here...

speaking of the news
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62476

... you start YET ANOTHER THREAD on the same topic with the same amount of spittle? Why don't you just go back to the other threads and address the points which you failed to answer the first couple-of-dozen-times?


-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 1:33 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Having failed to make your case here...

This is Why Trump is a SCUMBAG!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62480

and here...

speaking of the news
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62476

... you start YET ANOTHER THREAD on the same topic with the same amount of spittle? Why don't you just go back to the other threads and address the points which you failed to answer the first couple-of-dozen-times?

What are you arguing, Sygnym? That it is not your fault Trump is a monster? That you simply voted for him and what he does has nothing to do with you? You've got too many years of history here at fireflyfans.net as Trump has 40 years of similarly public history. We know you and Trump are very compatible. No surprise, neither of you are going to lay a claim to what you do in the real world and declare this work is me, this is what I've done, hold me responsible when my decisions go wrong and I will fix it without whining that it is not my fault.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 1:46 PM

JJ


Trump folds and will sign bill that stops children from being separated from their families.

And to all those racists and bigots who have supported Trump throughout this nightmare, fuck you.

T


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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 1:55 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by JJ:
Trump folds and will sign bill that stops children from being separated from their families.

And to all those racists and bigots who have supported Trump throughout this nightmare, fuck you.

T


Trump says he’ll be ‘signing something’ on detained children
www.apnews.com/1dafadd6fee4447cadd4a0179553026e/Trump-says-he'll-b
e-'signing-something'-on-detained-children


The effort would mark a dramatic turnaround for an administration that has been insisting, wrongly, that it has no choice but to separate families apprehended at the border because of the law and a court decision.

If Trump doesn't return those children by Friday, this is smoke and mirrors. There are 2,000 children and 20,000 ICE employees. That will allow 2 employees per child. There is no way Trump can truthfully declare he does not have the manpower to instantly fix the problem by returning the children. But knowing Trump's sloppy administration skills, the ICE probably does not know who the parents are.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 1:57 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

What are you arguing, Sygnym? - SECOND
SECOND, to be honest I don't read your posts very much any more, they're usually so pointless, so I wasn't responding to you.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 1:59 PM

REAVERFAN


Conservative Media Sure Sound A Whole Lot Like An Alt-Right Podcast Right Now

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/conservative-media-sure-sound-a-who
le-lot-like-an-alt-right-podcast-right-now
/

The Nazis control the narrative. Right, Siggy?

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 2:02 PM

REAVERFAN


“Stephen Actually Enjoys Seeing Those Pictures at the Border”: The West Wing Is Fracturing Over Trump’s Callous Migrant-Family Policy

Miller gloats and Sanders sulks as the president—oblivious to the moral problem and political consequences—bulls ahead.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/06/stephen-miller-family-separati
on-white-house/amp


Meanwhile, as the border crisis spirals, the absence of a coordinated policy process has allowed the most extreme administration voices to fill the vacuum. White House senior policy adviser Stephen Miller has all but become the face of the issue, a development that even supporters of Trump’s “zero-tolerance” position say is damaging the White House. “Stephen actually enjoys seeing those pictures at the border,” an outside White House adviser said. “He’s a twisted guy, the way he was raised and picked on. There’s always been a way he’s gone about this. He’s Waffen-SS.”

Making matters worse, Trump doesn’t seem to have an end game for the inhumane policy that is opposed by two-thirds of Americans. He’s continued to blame Democrats for allowing immigrants to “infest” the country; while in a closed-door meeting Tuesday night with congressional Republicans, he called on them to end family separation and “fix” the immigration system. He’s effectively boxed himself into a corner. “He doesn’t like this policy, and he knows it’s not helping him,” a Republican who’s spoken with him said. “But he can’t get within him that this is a problem, and he needs to take ownership of it.”

Remember that Stephen Miller, an actual fascist, is one of the longest standing members of this administration, not in spite of his fascist tendencies, but because of them.

"The president will NOT be questioned." - Stephen "Totally not a fascist" Miller

Then they scoff at Nazi comparisons while caging babies.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 2:02 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

What are you arguing, Sygnym? - SECOND
SECOND, to be honest I don't read your posts very much any more, they're usually so pointless, so I wasn't responding to you.

Signym, that is very Trump of you. He doesn't respond to criticism, other than either get angry or ignore it. You and Trump are compatible.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 2:07 PM

REAVERFAN


Actually, Siggy, Second posts well-reasoned responses and sources information with something other than the Breitbart drivel you spout.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 2:57 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


SECOND usually posts second-hand OPINION.

Oh, and BTW ... I don't believe I've ever read anything on Breitbart. You probably know more about it than I do.


-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 4:24 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND usually posts second-hand OPINION.

Oh, and BTW ... I don't believe I've ever read anything on Breitbart. You probably know more about it than I do.



My assertion remains correct, yours does not. And, I know more about everything than you do.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 4:28 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SECOND usually posts second-hand OPINION.

Oh, and BTW ... I don't believe I've ever read anything on Breitbart. You probably know more about it than I do.


My assertion remains correct

Only one? Which one?

Quote:

yours does not.
So you say.

Quote:

And, I know more about everything than you do.
Especially about "how to be a Nazi".



-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 4:35 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, Trump signed a order which sounds like "family centers" will be used, which was one of my suggestions.

Now, there is the problem of "detaining" minors indefinitely. I would suggest the following: The definition of "detention" is that you aren't permitted to leave. Let's say that the parents aren't allowed to leave, but the children are, if permitted by the parent. Although they might not have a place to leave to, they would be allowed to if there was a relative or trusted family friend they could stay with. IF not, they could continue to stay with their parents as an option. That solves the "detention of a minor" problem: They're not being "detained" they're being "housed".

In the meantime, they get "three hots and a cot", once again treating illegal aliens better than we treat our own homeless and mentally ill. The only solution to THAT is to reduce the waiting time for a ruling, and ship people back to their native countries as fast as possible to reduce the burden on our detention centers and legal system.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 5:33 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

SECOND usually posts second-hand OPINION.

Oh, and BTW ... I don't believe I've ever read anything on Breitbart. You probably know more about it than I do.


My assertion remains correct

Only one? Which one?

Quote:

yours does not.
So you say.

Quote:

And, I know more about everything than you do.
Especially about "how to be a Nazi".



-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

You don't know anything. That's your problem.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 5:34 PM

REAVERFAN


Here's a man who knows what's going on, and won't be a part of it.

Man Who Refused To Hand Over Immigrant Info To ICE: ‘Don’t Collaborate With Fascists’
“This is child abuse executed by the U.S. government,” he said of the Trump administration’s zero tolerance immigration policy.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ice-dont-collaborate-with-fascist
s_us_5b2a8d94e4b05d6c16ca0e0e?utm_source=reddit.com


A true patriot.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 7:07 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, Trump signed a order which sounds like "family centers" will be used, which was one of my suggestions.

Now, there is the problem of "detaining" minors indefinitely. I would suggest the following: The definition of "detention" is that you aren't permitted to leave. Let's say that the parents aren't allowed to leave, but the children are, if permitted by the parent. Although they might not have a place to leave to, they would be allowed to if there was a relative or trusted family friend they could stay with. IF not, they could continue to stay with their parents as an option. That solves the "detention of a minor" problem: They're not being "detained" they're being "housed".

In the meantime, they get "three hots and a cot", once again treating illegal aliens better than we treat our own homeless and mentally ill. The only solution to THAT is to reduce the waiting time for a ruling, and ship people back to their native countries as fast as possible to reduce the burden on our detention centers and legal system.

If Trump wants to end the separations, he can always go back to the policy he followed for the first 443 days of his administration, but he is not.

He says he’s signing an executive order to end family separations. There is a trick: the actual aim seems to be to pick a fight with the courts and allow separations to continue while blaming judges. Trump signed an executive order allowing children to be detained indefinitely with their parents. The problem is that that violates a 1997 consent decree saying that you can’t detain/imprison children for more than 20 days. Trump will be straight up violating that order in 20 days. So what will almost inevitably happen is that a court will step in, say you can’t do that and then Trump will announce that the judge is forcing him to keep separating families.

Trump has been trying to blame his policy on someone else ever since it started, but the non-Fox media has been pretty good about repeatedly calling this out as a lie. So now he’s going to try to make it into the truth—or something close to the truth, anyway.

Just remember: if he really wants to end the separations, he can always go back to the policy he followed for the first 443 days of his administration. It’s entirely up to him.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 7:24 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

The problem is that that violates a 1997 consent decree saying that you can’t detain/imprison children for more than 20 days. - SECOND
You missed my point. Maybe this is just a bit pf sophistry, but if the children COULD leave - legally- then it's not "detention", is it? If there were procedural steps to allow children to leave - the parents have to agree, the alternate place has to be approved, parents and children must be allowed to communicate - then it's not "detention". Maybe these children have nowhere else to go/ no other practical options, but if they then stay in these detention centers simply because of "no place else to go", that's not the fault of the procedure, is it? At that point the children are being "housed", not detained.

Quote:

If Trump wants to end the separations, he can always go back to the policy he followed for the first 443 days of his administration
Which is what? Let the parents (or perhaps even non-related adults) continue to use children as a "get out of jail free" card?

Hey, I've seen that movie before, in Europe. Men stood a much higher chance of being allowed in if they had a child in tow, so they would literally grab a child to cross the border and then throw them away as soon as they got across.



-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 7:27 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, Trump signed a order which sounds like "family centers" will be used, which was one of my suggestions.

Now, there is the problem of "detaining" minors indefinitely. I would suggest the following: The definition of "detention" is that you aren't permitted to leave. Let's say that the parents aren't allowed to leave, but the children are, if permitted by the parent. Although they might not have a place to leave to, they would be allowed to if there was a relative or trusted family friend they could stay with. IF not, they could continue to stay with their parents as an option. That solves the "detention of a minor" problem: They're not being "detained" they're being "housed".

In the meantime, they get "three hots and a cot", once again treating illegal aliens better than we treat our own homeless and mentally ill. The only solution to THAT is to reduce the waiting time for a ruling, and ship people back to their native countries as fast as possible to reduce the burden on our detention centers and legal system.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

Yes, the reichwing fascist apologists have been using that stupid argument for the last day or 2. It's funny that when you try to justify the unjustifiable, you use the same phrases your talking points masters give you.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2018 7:33 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Well, I see RF that you can't refute the points so you resort to name-calling. Again.


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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Thursday, June 21, 2018 12:57 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I suppose you've seen this picture?



There's only one problem with it: It's fake. This child is NOT in ICE custody at all. In fact, the picture was taken at a protest, where children were put in cages to demonstrate what THEY say would happen.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Thursday, June 21, 2018 9:14 AM

REAVERFAN


And lo and behold, when Trump became president, IT DID!

And you still fellate him.

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Thursday, June 21, 2018 9:16 AM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, I see RF that you can't refute the points so you resort to name-calling. Again.


-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

Points? Regurgitated troll talk can be considered "points?" LOL!

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Friday, June 22, 2018 4:51 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Did you look that up, or did you copy it off of someone's workbook?

Actually, do you know what that means?

Get it right and win a set of Ginzu knives (of course, you'll rename it
"Really Sharp Objects").


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hyperbole.


Don't cross the border illegally and this won't happen.

Do Right, Be Right. :)


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Friday, June 22, 2018 4:54 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Don't bother Reaverfan, these guys are about as dumb as a bag of rocks.
Actually, rocks have higher IQs. Besides they are following the Putin Playbook. Just like the Shit for Brains: Lewandowski.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hyperbole.


Don't cross the border illegally and this won't happen.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Seeking asylum isn't illegal. Trump's intentional abuse of children is a crime.

And you wonder why we pity you, wet-brain.


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Friday, June 22, 2018 4:58 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Here's my answer FUCK YOU!

Sincerely,

shinygoodguy


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Having failed to make your case here...

This is Why Trump is a SCUMBAG!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62480

and here...

speaking of the news
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62476

... you start YET ANOTHER THREAD on the same topic with the same amount of spittle? Why don't you just go back to the other threads and address the points which you failed to answer the first couple-of-dozen-times?


-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876


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Friday, June 22, 2018 5:08 AM

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Don't believe the Hype JJ. It's all FAKE! Like Trump, he only did that to
alleviate the HEAT he was getting from all sides. He actually thought he would get away with hiding these kids, and not allowing entry to even
Congress (which boggles the mind how they don't go in there guns blazing).

He thinks that all Americans are like his Kool-Aid drinking followers, dumb
as hell and twice as ignorant, and that we won't call him out on this one.
He's got another thing coming....the heat is on Motherfucker!

So pay no attention to the clowns, who profess peace and then insult and berate. If it's a street fight you want, come get some! (you know who you are).


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JJ:
Trump folds and will sign bill that stops children from being separated from their families.

And to all those racists and bigots who have supported Trump throughout this nightmare, fuck you.

T



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Friday, June 22, 2018 5:30 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


No, this is Hyperbole.....

IT'S A WITCHHUNT!


SGG

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Friday, June 22, 2018 5:34 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


You do know that the pictures that appear on the news are
provided by the "government," by ICE itself. They don't allow
any kind of recording devices, or allow interviews, of the refugees.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I suppose you've seen this picture?



There's only one problem with it: It's fake. This child is NOT in ICE custody at all. In fact, the picture was taken at a protest, where children were put in cages to demonstrate what THEY say would happen.

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Friday, June 22, 2018 5:37 AM

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Yeah, keep laughing


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)


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Friday, June 22, 2018 7:20 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You do know that the pictures that appear on the news are provided by the "government," by ICE itself. They don't allow any kind of recording devices, or allow interviews, of the refugees.



Of course they don't. That would be invading the privacy of a minor, who can't be deemed to give consent.

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Friday, June 22, 2018 7:33 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


SO, for the record, I don't support separating children from their families except perhaps very temporarily - for example, to establish familial connection thru DNA testing so as not to potentially leave children with human traffickers. As I've suggested before, I THINK we can solve the conundrum of "detaining" minors by not "detaining" per se them but by "housing" them, but I suppose a court would have to weigh in on whether this was just legalistic legerdemain. I DO support zero tolerance, because allowing adults to use children as a "get out of jail free" card, or allowing unaccompanied children to be used as some sort of wedge to get into the USA, is a cynical use of children (by their parents or other adults) AND it creates incentives all in the wrong direction. This has nothing to do with "race" and everything to do with nationality.


The vast majority of children in the current facilities are UNACCOMPANIED MINORS and most are 15+ years old. The terrible conditions that some of these children live in occurred under Obama as well as under Trump, and I believe that it has more to do with turning these over to private, for-profit centers than anything else.

Also, and for the record, I'm against "birthright citizenship".

****

The United States has "intervened" in every single nation in south and central America (except Costa Rica), in some cases many times over, covertly and overtly, all in behalf of foreign bankers and the IMF, landowners, foreign companies, and their juntas. Most of the time the CIA-deposed leaders were land-reformers who believed in greater social spending for things like education, distributed land ownership, housing and health, but this would not have set well with the profits extracted by foreign banks and transnational corporations. I can provide you with a pretty complete and damning list of "interventions" if you like, or you can read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man".



Quote:

For anyone who thinks there is no need for an International Women’s Day, here’s one reminder from a death squad in Central America that I cannot forget.

At dawn on February 20th 1982, I head off to ship film at the international airport, but I first encounter the victim of a right-wing death squad, later confirmed to have been a 30-year-old woman. What’s left of her body tells the rather complete story of her last hour of life. That is, for anyone willing to look long enough at it, and contemplate all the indignities collected there.
Her underwear is still stretched tight, clinging below her knees. Her attackers must have started off with that, since otherwise it would have been pointless and much more difficult to pull the cloth down after everything else that happened.
On her left hand, still in relatively fresh condition, all the finger tips have been cut off, and then the hand itself is also cut off. The muscles of her left arm are removed down to her wrists. The remainder of her left arm is burned and then also cut off. Long strips of skin are peeled off from her left leg, again an effort unlikely to have happened if she was past caring. The heel of her left foot is the one part of her body to show how hard it dug into the sand. She is finally disemboweled, then scalped. Pieces of her skull are scattered about, and then her head is cut off, which is missing from the scene.

http://www.jrossbaughman.com/?p=121

THIS IS NOT JUST A THING OF THE PAST. Today, all nations south of the border are suffering from currency instability due to The Fed's strong dollar policy, leading to further poverty and instability, particularly in Brazil, Argentina, Nicaragua, and Venezuela. Some of them are USA-friendly, some are not.

Nicaragua, like the other aforementioned nations, has suffered from widespread protests due to weak currency. SNIPERS HAVE KILLED PROTESTERS THERE RECENTLY. Gee, where have I seen this movie before? Ukraine? Venezuela? Hillary Clinton supported the Coup in Honduras
Quote:

....2009 military coup that ousted the country’s democratically elected President Manuel Zelaya
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/9/hillary-clinton-hondurasl
atinamericaforeignpolicy.html
in addition to the destruction of Africa's most prosperous secular nation (We came, we saw, he died") And now there are refugees from Honduras and Libya??? GEE, WHOODA THUNK???

If justice and reform and shared prosperity are thwarted, time and time again, by greater powers, and corruption is watered and fed, nations will suffer and people will flee.

THIS is the subject that GSTRING "isn't interested" in discussing! THESE are the events that THUGR constantly seeks to deny, and SECOND perpetually seeks to distract from. Our domination of the south, on behalf of the economic elite, has engendered blowback in the form of a migrant/ refugee crisis. NAFTA is part of the problem.

And, who wins from all of this violence? You? Me? The refugees from the south?

What, then, is the solution to this problem? IMHO, the BEST way to solve the problem is by NOT CONTRIBUTING TO THE POVERTY OF THESE NATIONS BY LEAVING THEM THE FUCK ALONE. The leaders there will have to face the wrath of their people if they're no longer supported by the USA. That is ONE part of MY solution to the "migrant crisis", and releasing these other nations from their trade agreements with the USA ... which only benefits the transnationals .... is another part.





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Friday, June 22, 2018 8:48 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

THIS is the subject that GSTRING "isn't interested" in discussing!



Wrong again: I am not interested in discussing with you. I've not only "seen that movie" I've been in it. I know you will lie and bend facts and make sh*t up ad nauseam and place false blame. Have your fun with your wild ass guessing, though! From what I scanned ^ you're still Putin's loyal servant.

And thanks for the disgusting death porn for no reason and no warning - you continue to sink lower and lower.

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Friday, June 22, 2018 9:21 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Don't bother Reaverfan, these guys are about as dumb as a bag of rocks.
Actually, rocks have higher IQs. Besides they are following the Putin Playbook. Just like the Shit for Brains: Lewandowski.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hyperbole.




Don't cross the border illegally and this won't happen.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Seeking asylum isn't illegal. Trump's intentional abuse of children is a crime.

And you wonder why we pity you, wet-brain.




Just what the fuck are they seeking asylum from in Mexico?

Don't you dare even say that there aren't enough cops there policing gang violence or the drug trade either.

I grew up near communities that had the exact same problem and still do to this day. I live by one now, and some of the people I work with actually live inside of it.

We've got problems of our own we need to tend to first, before adding to our own by taking on Mexico's problem.

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Friday, June 22, 2018 9:25 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

THIS is the subject that GSTRING "isn't interested" in discussing! - SIGNY

Wrong again: I am not interested in discussing with you. I've not only "seen that movie" I've been in it

I wouldn't admit that, if I were you. Because it brings up questions as to what, exactly, your role was.

Quote:

I know you will lie and bend facts and make sh*t up ad nauseam and place false blame. - GSTRONG
Oh, fuck you and the horse you rode on, GSTRING. "False blame"? Is it "false" to blame our military for their kind interventions and bombings? Is it "false" to blame Raegan for his CIA-funded "contras", to blame Bush for his invasions, and Obama for his destruction of Libya and for supporting jihadists?


Quote:

And thanks for the disgusting death porn for no reason and no warning - you continue to sink lower and lower.
Oh, gee, sorry to have hurt your tender feelings! I guess it's just too much [for you] to be faced with reality! Or are you just afraid that other people will have to confront the truth that you'd like to hide? So go stick your head back up your ass, GSTRING, since that's where it's most comfortable. I wasn't talking to you anyway.

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Friday, June 22, 2018 12:11 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


SigTroll is revealed - talk about nashing teeth and spittal...

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM: Oh, gee, sorry to have hurt your tender feelings! I guess it's just too much [for you] to be faced with reality! Go stick your head back up your ass, GSTRING, since that's where it's most comfortable. I wasn't talking to you anyway.


Hate to blow your mind genius, but it doesn't matter if you were talking to me or not - everyone who comes in this forum sees your shame. Name any other poster here over the past decade besides you and PirateNews, that has sunk that low? You do realize kids might come in here, don't you?
I honestly can't think of a single argument that we've ever had in this forum that was so important, that posting such images would be necessary. If you had any class or cared at all about others the way you want us to believe you do, you would add a spoiler alert or link to them elsewhere or remove it now and apologize. Which will it be: Class or Zero Class?

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Friday, June 22, 2018 12:21 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Sunk "that low"?

HOW LOW IS THAT, GSTRING?

So low that I would hide THE HORRIBLE TRUTH from my fellow Americans about WHAT, EXACTLY, WE were supporting south of the border?

So low that I would only pay attention to a victim if it furthered my political agenda, and dehumanize the many more victims of my warmongering foreign policy?

So low that that I would deny/ minimize the historical facts of our "interventions" everywhere?

So low that I would ignore finding the CAUSES of poverty and violence driving illegal immigration, and be against proposing a policy to actually SOLVE IT?

You said you were in that movie, GSTRING, and I have to wonder ... what, exactly, WAS your role in that "south of the border" movie?

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Friday, June 22, 2018 12:34 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Hmmm ... yes, your role in that movie?
It should be a simple thing to explain, GSTRING! So explain away!

*****

As for your Think of the children! ploy ...Phffft! Throw a stick at any zombie movie or most videogames, and you'll see something just as bad, if not worse.

What's worse, GSTRING ... showing a disturbing image online, or killing actual babies? You're OK with killing babies but not OK with showing the results? 'Cause, yanno, maybe if we posted a picture of EVERYONE that we killed, maybe we wouldn't kill so many people!

You don't REALLY care about "children" GSTRING, or you'd be a lot hotter about the children who are at the muzzle end of our foreign policy. So, what's your REAL problem here, GSTRING? And what's your real purpose?



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Friday, June 22, 2018 2:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
SigTroll is revealed - talk about nashing teeth and spittal...

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM: Oh, gee, sorry to have hurt your tender feelings! I guess it's just too much [for you] to be faced with reality! Go stick your head back up your ass, GSTRING, since that's where it's most comfortable. I wasn't talking to you anyway.


Hate to blow your mind genius, but it doesn't matter if you were talking to me or not - everyone who comes in this forum sees your shame. Name any other poster here over the past decade besides you and PirateNews, that has sunk that low? You do realize kids might come in here, don't you?
I honestly can't think of a single argument that we've ever had in this forum that was so important, that posting such images would be necessary. If you had any class or cared at all about others the way you want us to believe you do, you would add a spoiler alert or link to them elsewhere or remove it now and apologize. Which will it be: Class or Zero Class?

Sig Pussy is revealed as an actual, real-life, no exaggeration, straight up Nazi.

He does what all fascists do: Lies, then lies some more; hates, then hates some more; actively supports evil, without awareness or shame.

This racist Russian troll really needs to just go back to 4chan with all the other lonely, miserable incels whose only pleasure is found in the suffering of others.

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Friday, June 22, 2018 3:34 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Hey Sigs.

You hear that? You're a Communist Nazi. You're also a man now. An incel man that hates women too!

The smartest man who ever lived said it all, so you know it's true.

You'd better start brushing up on your Man-Splaining skills in both German and Russian, and start practicing your Manspreading skills to assert your dominance over women on the subway. While you're at it... you'd better start growing a penis too.

Welcome to the Patriarchy!

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, June 22, 2018 3:38 PM

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. . . And Then They Came For The Toddlers, The Trump Executive Order Is A FRAUD, The Baby Concentration Camps Remain

Like everything else Trump, the executive order supposedly stopping
separation of families is a total honking FRAUD.

About half the progressive TV pundits today were doing more or less
of an end zone dance, celebrating Trump "caving." He has done no such
thing. Instead, Trump has in fact tripled down, in the most deceptive
way possible.

In the first place, there is nothing whatsoever in the executive
order about reuniting the thousands of already stolen children back
with their parents. There is neither a plan for, nor even the
slightest interest in, seeing this happen, at HHS or any other Trump
corrupted agency.

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Friday, June 22, 2018 3:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hey Sigs.

You hear that? You're a Communist Nazi. You're also a man now. An incel man that hates women too!

The smartest man who ever lived said it all, so you know it's true.

You'd better start brushing up on your Man-Splaining skills in both German and Russian, and start practicing your Manspreading skills to assert your dominance over women on the subway. While you're at it... you'd better start growing a penis too.

Welcome to the Patriarchy!

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Poor loser. Blames his lack of success in life on everything but himself.

So sad, so sorry.

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Friday, June 22, 2018 4:11 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hey Sigs.
You hear that? You're a Communist Nazi. You're also a man now. An incel man that hates women too!
The smartest man who ever lived said it all, so you know it's true.
You'd better start brushing up on your Man-Splaining skills in both German and Russian, and start practicing your Manspreading skills to assert your dominance over women on the subway. While you're at it... you'd better start growing a penis too.

Welcome to the Patriarchy!

HAHAHAHAHA!!! Too funny!

Quote:

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Indeed. Where did you come up with that btw? It's a good thought to live by.

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Friday, June 22, 2018 4:25 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Our top story this hour: The United States of America is forcibly separating thousands of migrant children from their parents and warehousing them in internment camps. Defense contractors are said to be making an enormous sums of money in the process! In other news, the President of the United States has declared deep admiration for murderous dictator Kim Jong Un. In an interview on Fox and Friends, Pres. Trump expressed his desire for Americans to treat him the way the captive population of North Korea is forced to treat Kim. This just in: satire is officially pointless. Coming up next: Are uncivil comments about Donald Trump the real problem? Signym says yes!

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, June 22, 2018 4:43 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

The United States has "intervened" in every single nation in south and central America (except Costa Rica), in some cases many times over, covertly and overtly, all in behalf of foreign bankers and the IMF, landowners, foreign companies, and their juntas. Most of the time the CIA-deposed leaders were land-reformers who believed in greater social spending for things like education, distributed land ownership, housing and health, but this would not have set well with the profits extracted by foreign banks and transnational corporations. I can provide you with a pretty complete and damning list of "interventions" if you like, or you can read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man".


SIGNY says THAT'S the real problem.

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Friday, June 22, 2018 5:03 PM

REAVERFAN


Rep. Ted Lieu plays audio from detention center on house floor

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4737024/rep-ted-lieu-plays-audio-detent
ion-center-house-floor


The Republicans' embarrassment here is epic.

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