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Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:55 PM

SIGNYM

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Trump’s Military Drops a Bomb Every 12 Minutes, and No One Is Talking About It
-Lee Camp

We live in a state of perpetual war, and we never feel it. While you get your gelato at the hip place where they put those cute little mint leaves on the side, someone is being bombed in your name. While you argue with the 17-year-old at the movie theater who gave you a small popcorn when you paid for a large, someone is being obliterated in your name. While we sleep and eat and make love and shield our eyes on a sunny day, someone’s home, family, life and body are being blown into a thousand pieces in our names.

Once every 12 minutes.

The United States military drops an explosive with a strength you can hardly comprehend once every 12 minutes. And that’s odd, because we’re technically at war with—let me think—zero countries. So that should mean zero bombs are being dropped, right?

Hell no! You’ve made the common mistake of confusing our world with some sort of rational, cogent world in which our military-industrial complex is under control, the music industry is based on merit and talent, Legos have gently rounded edges (so when you step on them barefoot, it doesn’t feel like an armor-piercing bullet just shot straight up your sphincter), and humans are dealing with climate change like adults rather than burying our heads in the sand while trying to convince ourselves that the sand around our heads isn’t getting really, really hot.

You’re thinking of a rational world. We do not live there.

Instead, we live in a world where the Pentagon is completely and utterly out of control. A few weeks ago, I wrote about the $21 trillion (that’s not a typo) that has gone unaccounted for at the Pentagon. But I didn’t get into the number of bombs that ridiculous amount of money buys us. President George W. Bush’s military dropped 70,000 bombs on five countries. But of that outrageous number, only 57 of those bombs really upset the international community.

Because there were 57 strikes in Pakistan, Somalia and Yemen—countries the U.S. was neither at war with nor had ongoing conflicts with. And the world was kind of horrified. There was a lot of talk that went something like, “Wait a second. We’re bombing in countries outside of war zones? Is it possible that’s a slippery slope ending in us just bombing all the goddamn time? (Awkward pause.) … Nah. Whichever president follows Bush will be a normal adult person (with a functional brain stem of some sort) and will therefore stop this madness.”

We were so cute and naive back then, like a kitten when it’s first waking up in the morning.

The Bureau of Investigative Journalism reported that under President Barack Obama there were “563 strikes, largely by drones, that targeted Pakistan, Somalia and Yemen. …”

It’s not just the fact that bombing outside of a war zone is a horrific violation of international law and global norms. It’s also the morally reprehensible targeting of people for pre-crime, which is what we’re doing and what the Tom Cruise movie “Minority Report” warned us about. (Humans are very bad at taking the advice of sci-fi dystopias. If we’d listened to “1984,” we wouldn’t have allowed the existence of the National Security Agency. If we listened to “The Terminator,” we wouldn’t have allowed the existence of drone warfare. And if we’d listened to “The Matrix,” we wouldn’t have allowed the vast majority of humans to get lost in a virtual reality of spectacle and vapid nonsense while the oceans die in a swamp of plastic waste. … But you know, who’s counting?)

There was basically a media blackout while Obama was president. You could count on one hand the number of mainstream media reports on the Pentagon’s daily bombing campaigns under Obama. And even when the media did mention it, the underlying sentiment was, “Yeah, but look at how suave Obama is while he’s OK’ing endless destruction. He’s like the Steve McQueen of aerial death.”

And let’s take a moment to wipe away the idea that our “advanced weaponry” hits only the bad guys. As David DeGraw put it, “According to the C.I.A.’s own documents, the people on the ‘kill list,’ who were targeted for ‘death-by-drone,’ accounted for only 2% of the deaths caused by the drone strikes.”

Two percent. Really, Pentagon? You got a two on the test? You get five points just for spelling your name right.

But those 70,000 bombs dropped by Bush—it was child’s play. DeGraw again: “[Obama] dropped 100,000 bombs in seven countries. He out-bombed Bush by 30,000 bombs and 2 countries.”

You have to admit that’s impressively horrific. That puts Obama in a very elite group of Nobel Peace Prize winners who have killed that many innocent civilians. The reunions are mainly just him and Henry Kissinger wearing little hand-drawn name tags and munching on deviled eggs.

However, we now know that Donald Trump’s administration puts all previous presidents to shame. The Pentagon’s numbers show that during George W. Bush’s eight years he averaged 24 bombs dropped per day, which is 8,750 per year. Over the course of Obama’s time in office, his military dropped 34 bombs per day, 12,500 per year. And in Trump’s first year in office, he averaged 121 bombs dropped per day, for an annual total of 44,096.

Trump’s military dropped 44,000 bombs in his first year in office.

He has basically taken the gloves off the Pentagon, taken the leash off an already rabid dog. So the end result is a military that’s behaving like Lil Wayne crossed with Conor McGregor. You look away for one minute, look back, and are like, “What the fuck did you just do? I was gone for like, a second!”

Under Trump, five bombs are dropped per hour—every hour of every day. That averages out to a bomb every 12 minutes.

And which is more outrageous—the crazy amount of death and destruction we are creating around the world, or the fact that your mainstream corporate media basically NEVER investigates it? They talk about Trump’s flaws. They say he’s a racist, bulbous-headed, self-centered idiot (which is totally accurate)—but they don’t criticize the perpetual Amityville massacre our military perpetrates by dropping a bomb every 12 minutes, most of them killing 98 percent non-targets.

When you have a Department of War with a completely unaccountable budget—as we saw with the $21 trillion—and you have a president with no interest in overseeing how much death the Department of War is responsible for, then you end up dropping so many bombs that the Pentagon has reported we are running out of bombs.

Oh, dear God. If we run out of our bombs, then how will we stop all those innocent civilians from … farming? Think of all the goats that will be allowed to go about their days.

And, as with the $21 trillion, the theme seems to be “unaccountable.”

Journalist Witney Webb wrote in February, “Shockingly, more than 80 percent of those killed have never even been identified and the C.I.A.’s own documents have shown that they are not even aware of who they are killing—avoiding the issue of reporting civilian deaths simply by naming all those in the strike zone as enemy combatants.”

That’s right. We kill only enemy combatants. How do we know they’re enemy combatants? Because they were in our strike zone. How did we know it was a strike zone? Because there were enemy combatants there. How did we find out they were enemy combatants? Because they were in the strike zone. … Want me to keep going, or do you get the point? I have all day.

This is not about Trump, even though he’s a maniac. It’s not about Obama, even though he’s a war criminal. It’s not about Bush, even though he has the intelligence of boiled cabbage. (I haven’t told a Bush joke in about eight years. Felt kind of good. Maybe I’ll get back into that.)

This is about a runaway military-industrial complex that our ruling elite are more than happy to let loose. Almost no one in Congress or the presidency tries to restrain our 121 bombs a day. Almost no one in a mainstream outlet tries to get people to care about this.

Recently, the hashtag #21Trillion for the unaccounted Pentagon money has gained some traction. Let’s get another one started: #121BombsADay.

One every 12 minutes.

Do you know where they’re hitting? Who they’re murdering? Why? One hundred and twenty-one bombs a day rip apart the lives of families a world away—in your name and my name and the name of the kid doling out the wrong size popcorn at the movie theater.

We are a rogue nation with a rogue military and a completely unaccountable ruling elite. The government and military you and I support by being a part of this society are murdering people every 12 minutes, and in response, there’s nothing but a ghostly silence. It is beneath us as a people and a species to give this topic nothing but silence. It is a crime against humanity.

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/trumps-military-drops-a-bomb-every-1
2-minutes-and-no-one-is-talking-about-it
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Tuesday, June 26, 2018 2:17 PM

REAVERFAN


Hey, we're just spreading freedom and democracy.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2018 6:51 PM

WHOZIT


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Trump’s Military Drops a Bomb Every 12 Minutes, and No One Is Talking About It
-Lee Camp

We live in a state of perpetual war, and we never feel it. While you get your gelato at the hip place where they put those cute little mint leaves on the side, someone is being bombed in your name. While you argue with the 17-year-old at the movie theater who gave you a small popcorn when you paid for a large, someone is being obliterated in your name. While we sleep and eat and make love and shield our eyes on a sunny day, someone’s home, family, life and body are being blown into a thousand pieces in our names.

Once every 12 minutes.

The United States military drops an explosive with a strength you can hardly comprehend once every 12 minutes. And that’s odd, because we’re technically at war with—let me think—zero countries. So that should mean zero bombs are being dropped, right?

Hell no! You’ve made the common mistake of confusing our world with some sort of rational, cogent world in which our military-industrial complex is under control, the music industry is based on merit and talent, Legos have gently rounded edges (so when you step on them barefoot, it doesn’t feel like an armor-piercing bullet just shot straight up your sphincter), and humans are dealing with climate change like adults rather than burying our heads in the sand while trying to convince ourselves that the sand around our heads isn’t getting really, really hot.

You’re thinking of a rational world. We do not live there.

Instead, we live in a world where the Pentagon is completely and utterly out of control. A few weeks ago, I wrote about the $21 trillion (that’s not a typo) that has gone unaccounted for at the Pentagon. But I didn’t get into the number of bombs that ridiculous amount of money buys us. President George W. Bush’s military dropped 70,000 bombs on five countries. But of that outrageous number, only 57 of those bombs really upset the international community.

Because there were 57 strikes in Pakistan, Somalia and Yemen—countries the U.S. was neither at war with nor had ongoing conflicts with. And the world was kind of horrified. There was a lot of talk that went something like, “Wait a second. We’re bombing in countries outside of war zones? Is it possible that’s a slippery slope ending in us just bombing all the goddamn time? (Awkward pause.) … Nah. Whichever president follows Bush will be a normal adult person (with a functional brain stem of some sort) and will therefore stop this madness.”

We were so cute and naive back then, like a kitten when it’s first waking up in the morning.

The Bureau of Investigative Journalism reported that under President Barack Obama there were “563 strikes, largely by drones, that targeted Pakistan, Somalia and Yemen. …”

It’s not just the fact that bombing outside of a war zone is a horrific violation of international law and global norms. It’s also the morally reprehensible targeting of people for pre-crime, which is what we’re doing and what the Tom Cruise movie “Minority Report” warned us about. (Humans are very bad at taking the advice of sci-fi dystopias. If we’d listened to “1984,” we wouldn’t have allowed the existence of the National Security Agency. If we listened to “The Terminator,” we wouldn’t have allowed the existence of drone warfare. And if we’d listened to “The Matrix,” we wouldn’t have allowed the vast majority of humans to get lost in a virtual reality of spectacle and vapid nonsense while the oceans die in a swamp of plastic waste. … But you know, who’s counting?)

There was basically a media blackout while Obama was president. You could count on one hand the number of mainstream media reports on the Pentagon’s daily bombing campaigns under Obama. And even when the media did mention it, the underlying sentiment was, “Yeah, but look at how suave Obama is while he’s OK’ing endless destruction. He’s like the Steve McQueen of aerial death.”

And let’s take a moment to wipe away the idea that our “advanced weaponry” hits only the bad guys. As David DeGraw put it, “According to the C.I.A.’s own documents, the people on the ‘kill list,’ who were targeted for ‘death-by-drone,’ accounted for only 2% of the deaths caused by the drone strikes.”

Two percent. Really, Pentagon? You got a two on the test? You get five points just for spelling your name right.

But those 70,000 bombs dropped by Bush—it was child’s play. DeGraw again: “[Obama] dropped 100,000 bombs in seven countries. He out-bombed Bush by 30,000 bombs and 2 countries.”

You have to admit that’s impressively horrific. That puts Obama in a very elite group of Nobel Peace Prize winners who have killed that many innocent civilians. The reunions are mainly just him and Henry Kissinger wearing little hand-drawn name tags and munching on deviled eggs.

However, we now know that Donald Trump’s administration puts all previous presidents to shame. The Pentagon’s numbers show that during George W. Bush’s eight years he averaged 24 bombs dropped per day, which is 8,750 per year. Over the course of Obama’s time in office, his military dropped 34 bombs per day, 12,500 per year. And in Trump’s first year in office, he averaged 121 bombs dropped per day, for an annual total of 44,096.

Trump’s military dropped 44,000 bombs in his first year in office.

He has basically taken the gloves off the Pentagon, taken the leash off an already rabid dog. So the end result is a military that’s behaving like Lil Wayne crossed with Conor McGregor. You look away for one minute, look back, and are like, “What the fuck did you just do? I was gone for like, a second!”

Under Trump, five bombs are dropped per hour—every hour of every day. That averages out to a bomb every 12 minutes.

And which is more outrageous—the crazy amount of death and destruction we are creating around the world, or the fact that your mainstream corporate media basically NEVER investigates it? They talk about Trump’s flaws. They say he’s a racist, bulbous-headed, self-centered idiot (which is totally accurate)—but they don’t criticize the perpetual Amityville massacre our military perpetrates by dropping a bomb every 12 minutes, most of them killing 98 percent non-targets.

When you have a Department of War with a completely unaccountable budget—as we saw with the $21 trillion—and you have a president with no interest in overseeing how much death the Department of War is responsible for, then you end up dropping so many bombs that the Pentagon has reported we are running out of bombs.

Oh, dear God. If we run out of our bombs, then how will we stop all those innocent civilians from … farming? Think of all the goats that will be allowed to go about their days.

And, as with the $21 trillion, the theme seems to be “unaccountable.”

Journalist Witney Webb wrote in February, “Shockingly, more than 80 percent of those killed have never even been identified and the C.I.A.’s own documents have shown that they are not even aware of who they are killing—avoiding the issue of reporting civilian deaths simply by naming all those in the strike zone as enemy combatants.”

That’s right. We kill only enemy combatants. How do we know they’re enemy combatants? Because they were in our strike zone. How did we know it was a strike zone? Because there were enemy combatants there. How did we find out they were enemy combatants? Because they were in the strike zone. … Want me to keep going, or do you get the point? I have all day.

This is not about Trump, even though he’s a maniac. It’s not about Obama, even though he’s a war criminal. It’s not about Bush, even though he has the intelligence of boiled cabbage. (I haven’t told a Bush joke in about eight years. Felt kind of good. Maybe I’ll get back into that.)

This is about a runaway military-industrial complex that our ruling elite are more than happy to let loose. Almost no one in Congress or the presidency tries to restrain our 121 bombs a day. Almost no one in a mainstream outlet tries to get people to care about this.

Recently, the hashtag #21Trillion for the unaccounted Pentagon money has gained some traction. Let’s get another one started: #121BombsADay.

One every 12 minutes.

Do you know where they’re hitting? Who they’re murdering? Why? One hundred and twenty-one bombs a day rip apart the lives of families a world away—in your name and my name and the name of the kid doling out the wrong size popcorn at the movie theater.

We are a rogue nation with a rogue military and a completely unaccountable ruling elite. The government and military you and I support by being a part of this society are murdering people every 12 minutes, and in response, there’s nothing but a ghostly silence. It is beneath us as a people and a species to give this topic nothing but silence. It is a crime against humanity.

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/trumps-military-drops-a-bomb-every-1
2-minutes-and-no-one-is-talking-about-it/



No one is talking about the great economy, the great stock market, low unemployment, N. Korea NOT launching missiles and getting rid of their nukes AND, gasoline prices going down...lets talk abut THAT!

FYI, I got a 2% raise this year and my IRA is doing great

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Tuesday, June 26, 2018 7:02 PM

REAVERFAN


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No one is talking about the great economy, the great stock market, low unemployment, N. Korea NOT launching missiles and getting rid of their nukes AND, gasoline prices going down...lets talk abut THAT!

FYI, I got a 2% raise this year and my IRA is doing great

Thanks, Obama, for the great economy! NK was never going to launch missiles, and Trump's meeting was nothing more than a dog and pony show. Gas went down a little, but will be going back up, as always. Your raise covers inflation, and that's it.


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Tuesday, June 26, 2018 7:02 PM

REAVERFAN


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No one is talking about the great economy, the great stock market, low unemployment, N. Korea NOT launching missiles and getting rid of their nukes AND, gasoline prices going down...lets talk abut THAT!

FYI, I got a 2% raise this year and my IRA is doing great

Thanks, Obama, for the great economy! NK was never going to launch missiles, and Trump's meeting was nothing more than a dog and pony show. Gas went down a little, but will be going back up, as always. Your raise covers inflation, and that's it.


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Tuesday, June 26, 2018 7:02 PM

REAVERFAN


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No one is talking about the great economy, the great stock market, low unemployment, N. Korea NOT launching missiles and getting rid of their nukes AND, gasoline prices going down...lets talk abut THAT!

FYI, I got a 2% raise this year and my IRA is doing great

Thanks, Obama, for the great economy! NK was never going to launch missiles, and Trump's meeting was nothing more than a dog and pony show. Gas went down a little, but will be going back up, as always. Your raise covers inflation, and that's it.


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Tuesday, June 26, 2018 7:03 PM

REAVERFAN


Wow! Triple post! That's a first.

Gas is still expensive. My car requires premium. Ouch!

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Tuesday, June 26, 2018 7:30 PM

WHOZIT


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Originally posted by reaverfan:
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Originally posted by whozit:


No one is talking about the great economy, the great stock market, low unemployment, N. Korea NOT launching missiles and getting rid of their nukes AND, gasoline prices going down...lets talk abut THAT!

FYI, I got a 2% raise this year and my IRA is doing great

Thanks, Obama, for the great economy! NK was never going to launch missiles, and Trump's meeting was nothing more than a dog and pony show. Gas went down a little, but will be going back up, as always. Your raise covers inflation, and that's it.




Thank Obama for what, transgender bathrooms? Everything he's done must be erased, and Trump is doing just that...and my IRA is doing great, did I mention that?

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Wednesday, June 27, 2018 2:54 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Yield curve says we are about ten minutes from recession time. Sorry, Whoz. Kiss yer money goodbyes!





I thought you Commies were supporting Trump 'cuz he didn't want war as much right?? Now you complain about it?? Make up yer one brain cell already...

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Wednesday, June 27, 2018 4:42 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Thread Title: Trump’s Military Drops a Bomb Every 12 Minutes, and No One Is Talking About It


hmmmmmmm remember that thing I've repeatedly said in the forum here about how I wonder what shit is going on behind the scenes that the MSM doesn't talk much about at all while we have to hear about Russia everyday...


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Yield curve says we are about ten minutes from recession time. Sorry, Whoz. Kiss yer money goodbyes!



Hmmmmmmm..... pretty close to something I've been saying all along too. Although when I say it, I just say that we never actually left recession time, unemployment numbers never truly got better because bad, low paying jobs are not legitimate replacement for all the good jobs lost, inflation is higher than any yearly wage increases just barely above stagnant and the DOW is not at all reflective of main street.

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I thought you Commies were supporting Trump 'cuz he didn't want war as much right?? Now you complain about it?? Make up yer one brain cell already...



That's your problem. You can't make up your mind whether people you don't agree with are Commies or Nazis on one hand, and you only read what you want to read.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, June 27, 2018 9:35 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
I thought you Commies were supporting Trump 'cuz he didn't want war as much right?? Now you complain about it?? Make up yer one brain cell already...



I wondered that too - Troll HQ has issued new directives maybe. Time to start turning up the heat on Donnie before the upcoming summit? Just general "All things US bad" now?

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Wednesday, June 27, 2018 10:23 AM

SIGNYM

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Wow! Triple post! That's a first.

Gas is still expensive. My car requires premium. Ouch!

Would you please delete the contents of two of the three posts? That's a lot of wasted space to scroll past. It's easy: Assuming that you're logged in, at the bottom of each or YOUR posts you'll see "EDIT". Just click that button, highlight the entire contents and hit the "delete" key.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Wednesday, June 27, 2018 10:38 AM

SIGNYM

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Yield curve says we are about ten minutes from recession time. Sorry, Whoz. Kiss yer money goodbyes!
Huh. WISHY actually pays attention to the yield curve?

No President is fully responsible for what happens to the economy during his term. It takes at least four years for The Fed to make a difference in money flow, AT LEAST eight years for government taxing/spending to do anything to the REAL economy, and sometimes MORE THAN eight years for changes in regulation to have an effect. (Like Bill killing Glass Steagall and signing the Commodities Futures Modernization Act, which set the stage for the financial system to completely lock up nine years later).

After all, look at FDR: He was shoveling money as fast as Congress would allow, and barely made a dent in the Great Depression. The reality is that Obama threw a lot of money at the banks, increased the Federal deficit more than all other Presidents COMBINED (unfortunately, very little of that money ever made it to people who could really use it ... I guess that was OBAMA's version of "trickle down"!) and the Fed blew a lot of big nasty bubbles. Whether you support Trump or supported Obama, there is nothing to cheer about THIS economy; and when it comes crashing down ... and all of those nasty loans come home to roost, like vultures .... some of the causes of THIS crash will be able to be traced all the way back to Nixon, or even earlier.

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I thought you Commies
I guess you want to be named in a lawsuit too?
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were supporting Trump 'cuz he didn't want war as much right?? Now you complain about it?? Make up yer one brain cell already...
HEY STOOPID! I supported Obama because of all of the things HE promised ... yanno, public option health care, transparent government, rebuilding the middle class, hope and change .... and then I criticized him when he went back on all of his promises. If you can't understand THAT, then you're stoopider than I thought.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Wednesday, June 27, 2018 11:07 AM

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Memory Hole....

Stormy Daniels!


Statute of Limitations has passed on some of Hilliary's Crimes. MSM must continue diversions until the rest of her crimes lapse authority.

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Wednesday, June 27, 2018 2:06 PM

WISHIMAY

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Would you please delete the contents of two of the three posts? That's a lot of wasted space to scroll past.



Reaverfan, would you please leave it...I really enjoy anything that annoys Sig

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Wednesday, June 27, 2018 2:09 PM

WISHIMAY

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I thought you Commies... I guess you want to be named in a lawsuit too?




Can't sue someone for calling you something you've already admitted to being

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Wednesday, June 27, 2018 2:25 PM

SIGNYM

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I thought you Commies...- WISHY

I guess you want to be named in a lawsuit too? - SIGNY

Can't sue someone for calling you something you've already admitted to being - WISHY

Are you sure you'd want to take THAT to court? 'Cause, HEYSTOOPID, you know you're lying. And that would just look really bad to a judge, and add to the whole "libel" thing.




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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Wednesday, June 27, 2018 2:34 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Here I am, actually criticizing Trump, and I get criticized for the criticism!

Not a single one of you might admit or agree to the thought that MAYBE we shouldn't bomb and destabilize other nations, and yet you weep and wail about all kinds of crap. Is it any wonder that you give liberals a really bad name?



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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Wednesday, June 27, 2018 2:46 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, here is the part that I personally wonder about

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Do you know where they’re hitting?
No, but I'd like to
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Who they’re murdering?
No, but I'd like to
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Why?
No, but any reason that I'm given by ANY administration is sure to be a rationalization, at best, and deliberate propaganda, at worst. So I doubt this would be relevant to anything.

WHERE are we bombing? Since Pakistan has told us to stop firing Hellfire missiles into its nation, and we're not actively providing air support for jihadists in Syria, and there's no active warfare going on in Asia or Africa, I have to wonder... WHERE?

Does this count missiles that we sell to Saudi Arabia to assist its oil-grab in Yemen? Or missiles that Israel lobs into Gaza? Assisting the Iraqi government in re-taking Iraq (Mosul) from ISIS? Afghanistan? I'm left wondering where, exactly, these missiles are going.



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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Wednesday, June 27, 2018 3:21 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:

No one is talking about the great economy, the great stock market, low unemployment, N. Korea NOT launching missiles and getting rid of their nukes AND, gasoline prices going down...lets talk abut THAT!

FYI, I got a 2% raise this year and my IRA is doing great

Thanks, Obama, for the great economy! NK was never going to launch missiles, and Trump's meeting was nothing more than a dog and pony show. Gas went down a little, but will be going back up, as always. Your raise covers inflation, and that's it.




Opps

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Wednesday, June 27, 2018 3:22 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:


No one is talking about the great economy, the great stock market, low unemployment, N. Korea NOT launching missiles and getting rid of their nukes AND, gasoline prices going down...lets talk abut THAT!

FYI, I got a 2% raise this year and my IRA is doing great

Thanks, Obama, for the great economy! NK was never going to launch missiles, and Trump's meeting was nothing more than a dog and pony show. Gas went down a little, but will be going back up, as always. Your raise covers inflation, and that's it.




Damn!

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Wednesday, June 27, 2018 3:23 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:


No one is talking about the great economy, the great stock market, low unemployment, N. Korea NOT launching missiles and getting rid of their nukes AND, gasoline prices going down...lets talk abut THAT!

FYI, I got a 2% raise this year and my IRA is doing great

Thanks, Obama, for the great economy! NK was never going to launch missiles, and Trump's meeting was nothing more than a dog and pony show. Gas went down a little, but will be going back up, as always. Your raise covers inflation, and that's it.




Hey SIGGY - can you delete your first post and ask Whozit to delete his response? They take too much time to scroll past. In fact, do most of us a favor and delete all of your posts, 'kay? Thanks you!

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Wednesday, June 27, 2018 7:04 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Yield curve says we are about ten minutes from recession time. Sorry, Whoz. Kiss yer money goodbyes!





I thought you Commies were supporting Trump 'cuz he didn't want war as much right?? Now you complain about it?? Make up yer one brain cell already...



These are the same kind of people that said the market would crash after Trump was elected...and are the same people who said Clinton would win in a landslide. I'm waiting for these "experts" to get something right.

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Wednesday, June 27, 2018 7:04 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Tee hee hee. That made my damn day, Cap'n

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Wednesday, June 27, 2018 7:08 PM

WISHIMAY

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Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:

These are the same kind of people that said the market would crash after Trump was elected...and are the same people who said Clinton would win in a landslide. I'm waiting for these "experts" to get something right.



Are you REALLY complaining that people can't accurately predict the future or how many assholes live in this country, or are you just out of things to do??


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Wednesday, June 27, 2018 8:13 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:

These are the same kind of people that said the market would crash after Trump was elected...and are the same people who said Clinton would win in a landslide. I'm waiting for these "experts" to get something right.



Are you REALLY complaining that people can't accurately predict the future or how many assholes live in this country, or are you just out of things to do??




As of this writing I'm doing laundry, so I have something to do. Tomorrow I'm going to the bank after work, very exciting.

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Wednesday, June 27, 2018 8:49 PM

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[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Here I am, actually criticizing Trump, and I get criticized for the criticism!



Yup...

If you were wondering why I don't lump in SGG with RF, Wishy, G and T, this is your reason right here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, June 28, 2018 12:17 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

... this is your reason right here.




The only group on Earth that would have you is the Nazi Incel group. Seriously, go find them. They are your people...go be free. You would never have to have a rational thought again.

Also, pretty sure SGG, RF, JJ, Cap'n, and I all noticed Sig's hypocrisy. You haven't even noticed that half those names have changed.


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Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:43 AM

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Separating families of Criminal Illegal Aliens!!

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Thursday, June 28, 2018 4:15 AM

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Good questions all, but with Trump you never know. He may be bombing the south
side of Chicago for all we know.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, here is the part that I personally wonder about

Quote:

Do you know where they’re hitting?
No, but I'd like to
Quote:

Who they’re murdering?
No, but I'd like to
Quote:

Why?
No, but any reason that I'm given by ANY administration is sure to be a rationalization, at best, and deliberate propaganda, at worst. So I doubt this would be relevant to anything.

WHERE are we bombing? Since Pakistan has told us to stop firing Hellfire missiles into its nation, and we're not actively providing air support for jihadists in Syria, and there's no active warfare going on in Asia or Africa, I have to wonder... WHERE?

Does this count missiles that we sell to Saudi Arabia to assist its oil-grab in Yemen? Or missiles that Israel lobs into Gaza? Assisting the Iraqi government in re-taking Iraq (Mosul) from ISIS? Afghanistan? I'm left wondering where, exactly, these missiles are going.



-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876


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Thursday, June 28, 2018 7:47 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

... this is your reason right here.




The only group on Earth that would have you is the Nazi Incel group. Seriously, go find them. They are your people...go be free. You would never have to have a rational thought again.

Also, pretty sure SGG, RF, JJ, Cap'n, and I all noticed Sig's hypocrisy. You haven't even noticed that half those names have changed.




I see no reason not to call them G and T still. Obviously I noticed that they changed since I call them by their old names.

As for Nazis, there are no Nazis. This isn't the 1940's. Stop insulting the millions of people who were truly oppressed, usually to the point of death.

As for Incels, I don't hate women, Wishy. I just don't care much for people like you, male or female.

In fact, I don't think I've ever once used the word hate on this board. You on the other hand.....

Every single gorram post you make here is seething with it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:26 AM

REAVERFAN


American imperialism has been going on since it became a country.
http://www.crowhealingnetwork.net/pdf/Joel%20Andreas%20-%20Addicted%20
to%20War%20(Why%20America%20Can't%20Kick%20Militarism).pdf


I hate it. I want it to stop. I've hoped that certain presidents would stop it. They haven't.

Our economy depends on war. It's built around it. It serves the purposes of the 1%. The MSM NEVER met a war they wouldn't cheerlead. Americans are easily led to believe that countries like Iran or NK are actual threats to us, and that we must bomb those "others" for our own safety.

I'd love for this country to start seeking peaceful solutions, promote diplomacy, fair trade, and to honor higher principles.

I'd also love to be a wizard, or fly around the universe in a Firefly, but that's not going to happen, either.

We've still got people who think Trump is a good president, and that there's a "white genocide" going on. We've got TV personalities telling us that taking kids away from their parents and imprisoning them is a good thing.

American imperialism is the elephant in the room, and the main reason such atrocities are committed all over the world.

So, what do we do about it? America's too stupid to change. Putin isn't going to suddenly grow a conscience, any more than Blumpy's going to grow a brain.

We can't even agree whether or not climate change is real, or that it might be a good idea to seriously address that, even while we're wiping out record numbers of species.

I'm not hopeful.










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Thursday, June 28, 2018 9:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
American imperialism has been going on since it became a country.

I hate it. I want it to stop. I've hoped that certain presidents would stop it. They haven't.

Our economy depends on war. It's built around it. It serves the purposes of the 1%. The MSM NEVER met a war they wouldn't cheerlead. Americans are easily led to believe that countries like Iran or NK are actual threats to us, and that we must bomb those "others" for our own safety.

I'd love for this country to start seeking peaceful solutions, promote diplomacy, fair trade, and to honor higher principles.

I'd also love to be a wizard, or fly around the universe in a Firefly, but that's not going to happen, either.

We've still got people who think Trump is a good president, and that there's a "white genocide" going on. We've got TV personalities telling us that taking kids away from their parents and imprisoning them is a good thing.

American imperialism is the elephant in the room, and the main reason such atrocities are committed all over the world.

So, what do we do about it? America's too stupid to change. Putin isn't going to suddenly grow a conscience, any more than Blumpy's going to grow a brain.

We can't even agree whether or not climate change is real, or that it might be a good idea to seriously address that, even while we're wiping out record numbers of species.

I'm not hopeful.




Couldn't have said it any better, thx RF.

My only disagreement is while I too am not hopeful short term, long term I am very hopeful, even positive. Trump is showing the majority of us who we don't want to be. I think he is the ass kicking we needed to become a better country.

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Friday, June 29, 2018 12:36 AM

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Russia! Collusion! Squirrel!!

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Friday, June 29, 2018 12:36 AM

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Russia! Collusion! Squirrel!!

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Friday, June 29, 2018 1:30 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Good questions all, but with Trump you never know. He may be bombing the south
side of Chicago for all we know.

Isn't that what the free press is supposed to find out? SOMEbody came up with that figure of one bomb every 12 minutes, how did they come up with that figure? And if they had that basic data, don't they have other data about where the bombs are destined? It's just something I want to know, because I can't imagine what possible reason there is to be using so many. Maybe they're expending old bombs, and just blowing holes in dirt with a lot of live-fire exercises???

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Friday, June 29, 2018 1:32 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

I'd love for this country to start seeking peaceful solutions, promote diplomacy, fair trade, and to honor higher principles.

.... American imperialism is the elephant in the room, and the main reason such atrocities are committed all over the world.

Well, we agree on something. I think hell just froze over.


-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Friday, June 29, 2018 1:55 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Sig thinks she's the only one on the planet who thinks "war... bad"

Just like 6ix keeps telling himself I'm a bad person because I hate him.

I don't often hate people, but when I do- I like to hate people who have the philosophical aptitude of a slug. That's you, boy-o

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Friday, June 29, 2018 2:10 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Sig thinks she's the only one on the planet who thinks "war... bad"

SIG thinks that a lot of people here ignore the bodies when a Democratic President is doing the killing.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Friday, June 29, 2018 2:20 AM

WISHIMAY

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Considering I was apolitical until Herr Trumpski was elected and started running his mouth and being a traitor...IT'S NOT ME.


I don't want much contact in general with 99.999999999 percent of this planet, much less be a part of a war....But joining the war against Trumptards??? TOTALLY worth it.



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Friday, June 29, 2018 2:23 AM

WISHIMAY

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Russia! Collusion! Squirrel!




And that was JSF's "intelligent contribution" to the conversation in his drunken state...

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Friday, June 29, 2018 2:40 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Considering I was apolitical until Herr Trumpski was elected and started running his mouth and being a traitor...IT'S NOT ME.
That fact that you were "apolitical" when Obama, GWB(?), and Clinton were Presidents indicates to me that IT IS YOU. You simply weren't paying attention to what these Presidents were DOING, as opposed to what they were saying. Because IMHO the previous Presidents were "traitors" too.

The whole Russia-collusion thing is a farce. Other Presidents have done far worse to American interests than Trump. At least, that's what I think.

*****

And now, I have to go to bed. I had surgery this AM, and I have to change my dressing and try to figure out how to get to sleep.


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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Friday, June 29, 2018 3:56 AM

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Tariffs! Squirrel!

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Friday, June 29, 2018 4:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And now, I have to go to bed. I had surgery this AM, and I have to change my dressing and try to figure out how to get to sleep.

Get well.

I do continue to recommend Boost for faster healing of skin, muscle, organ damage.

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Friday, June 29, 2018 5:31 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Isn't that what the free press is supposed to find out? SOMEbody came up with that figure of one bomb every 12 minutes, how did they come up with that figure? And if they had that basic data, don't they have other data about where the bombs are destined?



Maybe you should ask the author of the piece you quoted?

Lee Camp:
Lee Camp is an American stand-up comedian, writer, actor and activist. Camp is the host of the weekly comedy news TV show “Redacted Tonight With Lee Camp” on RT America. He is a former comedy writer for the Onion and the Huffington Post and has been a touring stand-up comic for 20 years.

That's what I call hardcore Journalist creed. Surely he could tell where he got those numbers.

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Friday, June 29, 2018 7:44 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Maybe you should ask the author of the piece you quoted?
I did. Or, I asked the website that published his article, anyway. If they reply, or if I find anything else, I'll let you know.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Friday, June 29, 2018 8:03 AM

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[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Isn't that what the free press is supposed to find out? SOMEbody came up with that figure of one bomb every 12 minutes, how did they come up with that figure? And if they had that basic data, don't they have other data about where the bombs are destined?



Maybe you should ask the author of the piece you quoted?

Lee Camp:
Lee Camp is an American stand-up comedian, writer, actor and activist. Camp is the host of the weekly comedy news TV show “Redacted Tonight With Lee Camp” on RT America. He is a former comedy writer for the Onion and the Huffington Post and has been a touring stand-up comic for 20 years.

That's what I call hardcore Journalist creed. Surely he could tell where he got those numbers.



The Onion is a more trustworthy source of news than any of the 24 hour news networks.

Similar to how the Daily Show was when John Stewart was running things.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, June 29, 2018 8:04 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

And now, I have to go to bed. I had surgery this AM, and I have to change my dressing and try to figure out how to get to sleep.



Hope it all goes well Sigs. Nothing serious I hope?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, June 29, 2018 8:06 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Sig thinks she's the only one on the planet who thinks "war... bad"

Just like 6ix keeps telling himself I'm a bad person because I hate him.

I don't often hate people, but when I do- I like to hate people who have the philosophical aptitude of a slug. That's you, boy-o




And I still don't hate you, Wishy.

I remember back when we used to be cool. Kind of sucks things are the way they are now, but I've tried in the past to patch things up.

Writing this off as not my problem at this point.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, June 29, 2018 9:18 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

The Onion is a more trustworthy source of news than any of the 24 hour news networks.

Similar to how the Daily Show was when John Stewart was running things.




So would you quote from either of those here as if they were factual? FAIL.

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