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Voter Fraud Proven

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Wednesday, January 30, 2019 7:49 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I heard Investors Business Daily Editorial Page has a story.

I invite anybody to provide a linky.

State of Texas study showed that over 95,000 non-citizens were registered to vote, and over 58,000 of those non-citizens have Illegally Voted in at least one recent Election.

This means that Libtards define "none" and "never" as 58,000 - just in one State, a Red State.

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Wednesday, January 30, 2019 8:53 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/voter-fraud-texas-eviden
ce-non-citizens-voting
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Yeah. Saw that on Youtube a few days ago.

Found it pretty funny that although nearly 100k were registered to vote, only less than 60% of them turned out to actually vote.

I've got a few theories about that one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, January 30, 2019 11:02 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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So.... I had some time to think about this. Keep in mind that until I know for sure that there actually were 95,000 people in Texas that were non-citizens that were registered, this is just spitballing theories.


You've got 95,000 people registered to vote, who had no business being registered. In light of that, only roughly 61% of them chose to actually vote in any elections.

Why would that be? Why would somebody in Texas who was living there illegally make the conscious decision sit at a DMV (or whichever government building they'd need to go without getting a licenses) and sit there for a few hours, likely sweating bullets the whole time, to obtain illegal voter registration that could potentially putting at risk themselves and their families to deportation to get a registration card that they wouldn't even use after the fact?

Now, why would 37,000 people do this?



I've got some first hand experience knowing what this must have felt like, if this is how it went down for all 95,000 people getting this registration. I used fake urine once before obtaining one of the highest paying jobs of my life. I had already been clean for over two months, but I knew what I had to lose if I failed that drug test, and I wasn't taking any chances. I had concocted a McGuyver style belt that held everything in place and kept everything body temperature and wouldn't be discovered. I'd been told by others that they didn't check your pockets anymore, but I wasn't taking any chances. It was a good thing I did this, because sure enough I had to empty my pockets and put everything in a lock box before I did my business. Then, when I used the stuff I freaked out and thought "No way is that passing for real urine". It was almost glowing.

My nerves were so rattled from that entire experience that I couldn't keep my hand from shaking when I had to sign the form. I look back and I'm still amazed that I had passed. That was one of the most stressful things I'd ever done in my life.

But I wasn't risking anything close to what they'd be risking to illegally obtain registration status. I would have lost a great job opportunity. They were risking having ICE break down their doors and round up their family for deportation, just to be able to vote.


No...

I don't imagine that's how it went down at all.



I'd bet a lot of these people weren't even aware that they were registered to vote, and it's possible that among the 37,000 that didn't vote there are quite a few who had explicitly said they didn't want to be signed up for it but were signed up anyhow when they were signing forms that they didn't read.

It's no secret that there are places out there that are very illegal immigrant friendly. Sometimes they're so bold about it as to label the entire area sanctuary cities.

My theory here is that somebody was helping these people cross the border, and when they got here they were set up for everything from housing, to an under the table job, government benefits, being registered to vote and then being Highly encouraged to go out and do so.

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if 37,000 people who didn't vote are regularly being harassed or even threatened now by the people who set them up.




It's just a theory, sure. But I think it holds a lot more water than the idea of nearly 100,000 people living here illegally deciding to make an individual decision to potentially throw themselves and their own families into the lion's den by taking a trip to the DMV to illegally obtain voter registration that they had no legal business obtaining.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, January 30, 2019 11:44 PM

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That's why we need validated picture ID for voting. In fact, Venezuela has better voting than we do. The trick is to put the requirments in place at least four years before they come into effect. That gives the interested parties every opportunity to bird dog every indigent and illiterate and help them get the ID that they need.

It's no secret that Democrats benefit from illegals voting.

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Thursday, January 31, 2019 5:01 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Yeah but, I have some questions:

What method did the AG/SoS use to make the determination of voter fraud?
I would think that the country would be grateful for that information, so as
to use it to weed out voter fraud in their state.

How did these non-citizens get to vote or when were they exposed?
This is important. Because, let's say that while no one was looking they illegally filled out an application, then went to the polls to vote and illegally made it past the voter election workers, and then illegally voted
without any of those voter election workers checking their ID against the voter rolls.

(When I vote, they ask for my driver's license and check it against the voter election rolls. One time my name was missing - election officials error - but I was able to vote because I asked for a provisional ballot). Since then, no problem.



Here, this may answer some of my questions. Found this on You Tube.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I heard Investors Business Daily Editorial Page has a story.

I invite anybody to provide a linky.

State of Texas study showed that over 95,000 non-citizens were registered to vote, and over 58,000 of those non-citizens have Illegally Voted in at least one recent Election.

This means that Libtards define "none" and "never" as 58,000 - just in one State, a Red State.


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Thursday, January 31, 2019 5:10 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
So.... I had some time to think about this. Keep in mind that until I know for sure that there actually were 95,000 people in Texas that were non-citizens that were registered, this is just spitballing theories.


You've got 95,000 people registered to vote, who had no business being registered. In light of that, only roughly 61% of them chose to actually vote in any elections.

Why would that be? Why would somebody in Texas who was living there illegally make the conscious decision sit at a DMV (or whichever government building they'd need to go without getting a licenses) and sit there for a few hours, likely sweating bullets the whole time, to obtain illegal voter registration that could potentially putting at risk themselves and their families to deportation to get a registration card that they wouldn't even use after the fact?

Now, why would 37,000 people do this?


They were risking having ICE break down their doors and round up their family for deportation, just to be able to vote.


No...

I don't imagine that's how it went down at all.



I'd bet a lot of these people weren't even aware that they were registered to vote, and it's possible that among the 37,000 that didn't vote there are quite a few who had explicitly said they didn't want to be signed up for it but were signed up anyhow when they were signing forms that they didn't read.

It's no secret that there are places out there that are very illegal immigrant friendly. Sometimes they're so bold about it as to label the entire area sanctuary cities.

My theory here is that somebody was helping these people cross the border, and when they got here they were set up for everything from housing, to an under the table job, government benefits, being registered to vote and then being Highly encouraged to go out and do so.

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if 37,000 people who didn't vote are regularly being harassed or even threatened now by the people who set them up.




It's just a theory, sure. But I think it holds a lot more water than the idea of nearly 100,000 people living here illegally deciding to make an individual decision to potentially throw themselves and their own families into the lion's den by taking a trip to the DMV to illegally obtain voter registration that they had no legal business obtaining.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Have you left your brain somewhere in the cold?
Have you not heard of Motor Voter Registration? Libtards desperate for Dem Voters have worked every bribe, plea, fraudulent ploy to give out fraudulent Registrations, like handing out candy. Have you seen any kids sweating bullets when they get Free candy, whether they speak English or not?

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Thursday, January 31, 2019 5:13 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Just an FYI, SGG, in case you didn't know.

I'm not sure which state you vote in, but your example of needing an ID to vote is not at all a requirement in quite a few states. That's part of the argument here.

https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_state

Quote:

As of January 2, 2019, 35 states enforced (or were scheduled to begin enforcing) voter identification requirements. A total of 17 states required voters to present photo identification; the remainder accepted other forms of identification.

Commonly accepted forms of ID include driver's licenses, state-issued identification cards, and military identification cards.





Interestingly enough, Texas is one of the states that require a photo ID, so it is perplexing how this could happen without somebody going through an extreme effort to make it happen. All the more reason for me to believe that these 95,000 people did not make an individual effort to get registered and that there is an organization behind it.... assuming of course the news story isn't fake news.



Can I at least take it that you support a requirement for a legal photo identification to vote given your response?



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, January 31, 2019 5:17 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Have you left your brain somewhere in the cold?



I don't see any need for that personal attack here.

Quote:

Have you not heard of Motor Voter Registration? Libtards desperate for Dem Voters have worked every bribe, plea, fraudulent ploy to give out fraudulent Registrations, like handing out candy. Have you seen any kids sweating bullets when they get Free candy, whether they speak English or not?



Prove it. I've never seen any story where the state's DMVs themselves were complicit or even advocates of giving illegal drivers licenses away "like candy".

It's much more likely that a relatively "off the books" organization is working behind the scenes with individuals sympathetic to this cause on a larger scale than it is to actually believe that 95,000 illegals in Texas took it upon themselves individually and made the conscious decision to risk deportation and the well beings of themselves and their families to vote. Especially when you consider the fact that 37,000 of them didn't ever even go through with the actual process of voting after taking that huge risk.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, January 31, 2019 5:25 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Quote:

It's just a theory,


sure. But...a good one!

Quote:

I think it holds a lot more water than the idea of nearly 100,000 people living here illegally deciding to make an individual decision to potentially throw themselves and their own families into the lion's den by taking a trip to the DMV to illegally obtain voter registration that they had no legal business obtaining.


Again, good point. Let's take it a step further, shall we? They would have to fool the DMV (gather up really good fake documents, like those folks from
Trump's Golf Club. Those poor bastards that Trump hired to oversee his business were surely taken advantage of by those lying scumbag illegals. Didn't they realize that eventually they would be found out?).

They would have to fool the election board, imagine the egg on their faces when the AG/SoS comes a'calling and find that they too (election board) were
flim-flammed by those sneaky illegals. Then, at the voting polls, get past the election officials who are trained to ensure that the voting process runs smooth. Those "non-citizens" are very clever to do all that. But they got caught, so justice prevails.

Here's another state that has had some trouble with voter fraud or voter tampering:



This is terrible, poor North Carolina voters. What, if anything, can be done?


SGG

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Thursday, January 31, 2019 5:45 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:

It's just a theory,

sure. But...a good one!

Quote:

I think it holds a lot more water than the idea of nearly 100,000 people living here illegally deciding to make an individual decision to potentially throw themselves and their own families into the lion's den by taking a trip to the DMV to illegally obtain voter registration that they had no legal business obtaining.


Again, good point. Let's take it a step further, shall we? They would have to fool the DMV (gather up really good fake documents, like those folks from
Trump's Golf Club. Those poor bastards that Trump hired to oversee his business were surely taken advantage of by those lying scumbag illegals. Didn't they realize that eventually they would be found out?).

They would have to fool the election board, imagine the egg on their faces when the AG/SoS comes a'calling and find that they too (election board) were
flim-flammed by those sneaky illegals. Then, at the voting polls, get past the election officials who are trained to ensure that the voting process runs smooth. Those "non-citizens" are very clever to do all that. But they got caught, so justice prevails.

Here's another state that has had some trouble with voter fraud or voter tampering:



This is terrible, poor North Carolina voters. What, if anything, can be done?


SGG

Not sure if your tongue is welded into your cheek, but at least your brain seems engaged,
as opposed to 6ix.

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Thursday, January 31, 2019 6:04 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Here, I posted this to a response to JSF. Perhaps this may shed some light on the topic. Remember now, the following is government information garnered by the state of Texas, which is conducting or has conducted the voter fraud investigation, so it cannot be "fake" news:



And, to answer your question. Yes, I believe the way to go is either driver's license or some sort of voter ID with picture to reduce, if not nullify, voter fraud; thereby shutting up those who scream bloody murder and cry "wolf" about voter fraud. But I have some other suggestions that will put this to bed:

1. each state should be responsible to make it as easy as possible to obtain said photo ID.
2. each state should hold elections to vote in a Board of Elections Chairman
that will oversee the voting process as a whole. No partisan appointees, but
strictly chosen by the people. This prevents or reduces wrongdoing by elected officials or non-citizens. The Board of Elections Chairman will run independent of any party.
3. We should also vote for a national BoE Chairman who will run and verify the election boards across the country, reporting only to the DoJ.
4. All convicted criminals shall register with the BoE in their state, once released, and shall be informed of their voting rights and eligibility. They must be informed and sign a declaration, along with their probation officer, that they have so been informed. Said form to be filed with their state of residence, a copy going to the National office of the BoE (Board of Elections)
5. All investigations by any state AG shall be filed with both the state BoE and national office.

I may think of more. Of course, that's wishful thinking, none of this will occur. It just makes too much common sense.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Just an FYI, SGG, in case you didn't know.

I'm not sure which state you vote in, but your example of needing an ID to vote is not at all a requirement in quite a few states. That's part of the argument here.

https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_state

Quote:

As of January 2, 2019, 35 states enforced (or were scheduled to begin enforcing) voter identification requirements. A total of 17 states required voters to present photo identification; the remainder accepted other forms of identification.

Commonly accepted forms of ID include driver's licenses, state-issued identification cards, and military identification cards.





Interestingly enough, Texas is one of the states that require a photo ID, so it is perplexing how this could happen without somebody going through an extreme effort to make it happen. All the more reason for me to believe that these 95,000 people did not make an individual effort to get registered and that there is an organization behind it.... assuming of course the news story isn't fake news.



Can I at least take it that you support a requirement for a legal photo identification to vote given your response?



Do Right, Be Right. :)


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Thursday, January 31, 2019 6:06 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Not sure if your tongue is welded into your cheek, but at least your brain seems engaged, as opposed to 6ix.



Speak for yourself, man.

If anything, I'm saying the problem is potentially much larger than you are seeing it to be.

I'm only shifting the onus from the individual illegal aliens onto organizations working in tandem with friendlies in the government that are doing this on a massive scale.


Before I throw an insult your way after enduring not one or two, but THREE of them from you in this thread now, I'm going to invite you to re-read what I'm saying and come back with an appropriate response.

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Thursday, January 31, 2019 6:13 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Here, I posted this to a response to JSF. Perhaps this may shed some light on the topic. Remember now, the following is government information garnered by the state of Texas, which is conducting or has conducted the voter fraud investigation, so it cannot be "fake" news:



I'm running out of "chat" time this morning, but I will watch this later. Thanks.

Quote:

And, to answer your question. Yes, I believe the way to go is either driver's license or some sort of voter ID with picture to reduce, if not nullify, voter fraud; thereby shutting up those who scream bloody murder and cry "wolf" about voter fraud. But I have some other suggestions that will put this to bed:

1. each state should be responsible to make it as easy as possible to obtain said photo ID.
2. each state should hold elections to vote in a Board of Elections Chairman
that will oversee the voting process as a whole. No partisan appointees, but
strictly chosen by the people. This prevents or reduces wrongdoing by elected officials or non-citizens. The Board of Elections Chairman will run independent of any party.
3. We should also vote for a national BoE Chairman who will run and verify the election boards across the country, reporting only to the DoJ.
4. All convicted criminals shall register with the BoE in their state, once released, and shall be informed of their voting rights and eligibility. They must be informed and sign a declaration, along with their probation officer, that they have so been informed. Said form to be filed with their state of residence, a copy going to the National office of the BoE (Board of Elections)
5. All investigations by any state AG shall be filed with both the state BoE and national office.

I may think of more. Of course, that's wishful thinking, none of this will occur. It just makes too much common sense.


SGG



See? This is why we need to try to have more civil discussions instead of all of us knuckleheads jumping down each other's throats everytime we get the chance.

I'll back everything you just said there. Consider me on board.

Though you have added a few new ideas, I said much of that myself here a few years ago when the topic came up.

One thing I suggested that's not in your list is that anybody who is a legal citizen that qualifies for and is receiving food stamps should be able to get a State ID absolutely for free for voting purposes as well. This would immediately put to bed a lot of the claims that voter ID laws are racist if you took out the financial responsibility of getting a valid photo ID (especially considering they can cost $30 or more).

I want something like this to be enacted, and I'd like to see that it gets done the right way so nobody can bitch that it wasn't fair.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, January 31, 2019 6:19 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Oh... and in addition, given the recent stories about American Indian reservation problems with voting, I have another idea that I hadn't mentioned a few years ago since it hadn't come up.


Given that (allegedly) most American Indians in the U.S. do not have street addresses and use a P.O. Box for their residence on their reservations, something needs to be done about that as well.

In any and all cases where the above is true, their Drivers Licenses (assuming they drive) or their state ID cards should have an address field that states the reservation they live on, the name of the post office, followed by their personal P.O. Box number at the post office. These ID's should be 100% valid and accepted at the voting booths across any state where they apply.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, January 31, 2019 6:40 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


No, I'm tired of hearing about voter fraud and half the time it's a bunch of bullshit. You saw the report I posted by that local Texas news station, right?
This is a government-run investigation that their reporting on. The Texas AG and SoS found that these folks were registered by the state.

So, MY theory is: the state of Texas had a big "oopsie" and may or may not pursue charges. What that means is "we are right back to square one." I wouldn't go as far as saying that they're incompetent, fumbling bumbling idiots, but crying wolf whenever a Republican loses gets a little tiring.

Still though, that's the AG's job, to investigate these things. There are many
ways to approach this "crisis." One way is to correctly identify where exactly
the problem lies. Photo IDs is one way, but I would suggest running things
a lot better to begin with before flying off the handle. It's funny that
the state investigates and finds out the the state fucked up; both in feeding the process and then in the execution of that process. Well, at least the
Texas AG/SoS got to the bottom of it.


SGG



Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:

It's just a theory,

sure. But...a good one!

Quote:

I think it holds a lot more water than the idea of nearly 100,000 people living here illegally deciding to make an individual decision to potentially throw themselves and their own families into the lion's den by taking a trip to the DMV to illegally obtain voter registration that they had no legal business obtaining.


Again, good point. Let's take it a step further, shall we? They would have to fool the DMV (gather up really good fake documents, like those folks from
Trump's Golf Club. Those poor bastards that Trump hired to oversee his business were surely taken advantage of by those lying scumbag illegals. Didn't they realize that eventually they would be found out?).

They would have to fool the election board, imagine the egg on their faces when the AG/SoS comes a'calling and find that they too (election board) were
flim-flammed by those sneaky illegals. Then, at the voting polls, get past the election officials who are trained to ensure that the voting process runs smooth. Those "non-citizens" are very clever to do all that. But they got caught, so justice prevails.

Here's another state that has had some trouble with voter fraud or voter tampering:



This is terrible, poor North Carolina voters. What, if anything, can be done?


SGG

Not sure if your tongue is welded into your cheek, but at least your brain seems engaged, as opposed to 6ix.


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Thursday, January 31, 2019 6:55 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Good point. And I would suggest not moving the goal posts at the last minute to allow for that to happen. Check it:



The state legislature should allow for all it's citizens to be able to vote, and not create hardships to insure a particular outcome.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Oh... and in addition, given the recent stories about American Indian reservation problems with voting, I have another idea that I hadn't mentioned a few years ago since it hadn't come up.


Given that (allegedly) most American Indians in the U.S. do not have street addresses and use a P.O. Box for their residence on their reservations, something needs to be done about that as well.

In any and all cases where the above is true, their Drivers Licenses (assuming they drive) or their state ID cards should have an address field that states the reservation they live on, the name of the post office, followed by their personal P.O. Box number at the post office. These ID's should be 100% valid and accepted at the voting booths across any state where they apply.

Do Right, Be Right. :)


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Thursday, January 31, 2019 7:05 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Another good point.


Quote:

One thing I suggested that's not in your list is that anybody who is a legal citizen that qualifies for and is receiving food stamps should be able to get a State ID absolutely for free for voting purposes as well. This would immediately put to bed a lot of the claims that voter ID laws are racist if you took out the financial responsibility of getting a valid photo ID (especially considering they can cost $30 or more).


Yes, it makes sense. But don't they have their info on those food stamps card already? Just curious. But yeah, they should be given some sort of ID when they register for food stamps. Free, as part of the process.

Quote:

I want something like this to be enacted, and I'd like to see that it gets done the right way so nobody can bitch that it wasn't fair.


This is what I'm saying. To stop the bitching, from all sides, the above would make it fair. Agreed.


SGG

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Thursday, January 31, 2019 1:09 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Well... your food stamp card doesn't have a photo ID. It doesn't even have any other information on it like your address other than your first and last name. In my state, at least a few years back when I got it, you get a credit card with a simple magnetic strip and security code on the back.

It would be great if you could just merge the two offices into one and lower the overall tax burden, but that wouldn't really work in practice. (I think it already takes long enough to sit in line at the DMV already, thank you very much).


I think the best solution would be to require the same documents as proof of address and citizenship to get food stamps as is required to get the REAL ID style of Drivers Licenses. Yanno, the one with the "Star" on the front that is now the only way that you can get a passport. You'd need a birth certificate, social security card, and some form of bill sent to your address. (I think that's it. It's been a long time since I've done that)

Once this documentation was verified and processed, the client would be told to sit down at a photo booth that has the exact same tech that the DMV stations have for their photographs. This photo, along with all of the data, would be sent weekly for all qualifying new (and 6 month renewing who didn't already have one) food stamp clients to the local DMV to be processed, and within 10 days of processing a photo State ID will be mailed to them.

That's how they already handle drivers licenses in Indiana already. You do have to wait up to 10 business days for it to process and be sent in the mail. When I lived in Illinois they had MUCH more expensive machinery for the photo IDs on site and 15 to 20 minutes after you took your photograph they called you up and your ID was created on site. There is no reason for each and every station in the country to have that massive expense though when the temporary paper ID with your picture that the DMVs in Indiana provide will suffice until you get the real one in the mail.


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Another good point.


Quote:

One thing I suggested that's not in your list is that anybody who is a legal citizen that qualifies for and is receiving food stamps should be able to get a State ID absolutely for free for voting purposes as well. This would immediately put to bed a lot of the claims that voter ID laws are racist if you took out the financial responsibility of getting a valid photo ID (especially considering they can cost $30 or more).


Yes, it makes sense. But don't they have their info on those food stamps card already? Just curious. But yeah, they should be given some sort of ID when they register for food stamps. Free, as part of the process.

Quote:

I want something like this to be enacted, and I'd like to see that it gets done the right way so nobody can bitch that it wasn't fair.


This is what I'm saying. To stop the bitching, from all sides, the above would make it fair. Agreed.


SGG



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Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:44 PM

REAVERFAN


As usual, the Russian trolls have it all wrong.

I will correct you with facts, as I always do.

https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2019-02-01/lege-lines-texas-gop-t
ees-up-more-voter-id-nonsense
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When newly appointed Texas Secretary of State David Whitley (until recently a top aide to Gov. Greg Abbott) released a statement on Friday, Jan. 25, advising counties to investigate a list of some 95,000 registered voters whose U.S. citizenship was possibly in doubt (of whom 58,000 have cast a ballot in the past), it ignited a voter-fraud frenzy among the usual right-wing suspects. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton tweeted, "Voter Fraud Alert: ... Any illegal vote deprives Americans of their voice," and President Spray-Tan took to his iPhone to assert that "58,000 non-citizens voted in Texas. ... These numbers are just the tip of the iceberg. All over the country, especially in California, voter fraud is rampant. Must be stopped. Strong voter ID!"

Texas already has one of the most stringent (see also: discriminatory) voter ID laws in the country. Beyond that, Whitley made no claim that the names on these lists are actually noncitizens; rather, they are people who, when they obtained a driver's license or ID card, provided the Texas Department of Public Safety with documentation (like a green card) showing they were not citizens, though legal U.S. residents. The state compared those names and Social Security numbers with the state voter rolls. So, some if not all of these suspect residents could have subsequently been naturalized, as some 50,000 Texans are each year. (Licenses and ID cards don't expire for six years.) Perhaps most importantly, these totals don't refer only to the current voter rolls or last election cycle; rather, they span more than 20 years – encompassing 1996 to 2018. Florida used a similar "weak match" methodology to produce a list of 180,000 potential noncitizen registered voters back in 2012; it ended up identifying just 85 truly ineligible voters.

But why let the facts slow down a nice big wave of white wingnut panic? Paxton has touted prosecuting a negligible number of noncitizen voting cases, but it remains a virtually nonexistent problem that, when spun in the right-wing media vortex, is used to bolster the push to tighten voter ID laws and restrict access to the ballot box, as well as generally rile up the base and harvest its money, as the Republican Party of Texas did with a fundraising appeal within hours of Whitley's statement. (More on that in this week's "Point Austin," Feb. 1.)

“History has shown that voter fraud is extremely rare and efforts to identify unlawful voting en masse have proven to be highly inaccurate.” – Andre Segura, ACLU of Texas

On Monday, Jan. 28, civil rights groups including the League of Women Voters of Texas, Work­ers Defense Action Fund, Texas Organ­iz­ing Project, ACLU of Texas, and Jolt hit back with a letter to Whitley demanding he rescind his "advisory" to counties, saying the notice amounts to "another page straight out of the voter suppression handbook." The "woefully inadequate" investigation risks prompting a purge of thousands of eligible Texans from the voting rolls, the groups wrote, pointing to the Florida case, in which a federal judge ruled the effort was "likely to have a discriminatory impact on these new citizens."

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Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:44 PM

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The coalition also asked local officials in all 254 counties to take no action until Whitley provides more transparency on the SoS methodology and procedures and ensures that lawfully registered naturalized citizens will not be flagged erroneously. "Given the long history of anti-immigrant policies and attempts at voter suppression by our Texas officials, we cannot trust that this investigation has been conducted in a fair and non-discriminatory manner," said Andre Segura, legal director for the ACLU of Texas. "History has shown that voter fraud is extremely rare and efforts to identify unlawful voting en masse have proven to be highly inaccurate. Despite President Trump's histrionic and highly inaccurate statement about voter fraud, each county in Texas must now act responsibly so that marginalized communities can exercise their right to vote without intimidation."

Officials are trying to “intimidate people who are currently legitimately registered to vote,” with an “election-related witch hunt.” – LULAC Lawsuit
The national League of United Latin American Citizens ratcheted up the fight against Paxton and Whitley Tuesday, Jan. 29, with a lawsuit claiming the officials seek to "intimidate people who are currently legitimately registered to vote," with an "election-related witch hunt." The San Antonio-based federal suit asks U.S. District Judge Fred Biery to view the attempt as a violation the Voting Rights Act. "The pretextual facade of concern about rampant voter fraud provides no cover for the voter intimidation at work here," the lawsuit reads. With egg on its face by Tuesday, the SoS advised several counties to remove names it says were included on the lists in error.

In Travis County, Voter Reg­istrar Bruce Elfant tells us his office is conducting its own "thorough" analysis of the 4,547 potential noncitizens on the SoS list to determine its accuracy. While taking the matter seriously enough to "trust but verify" the claims, Elfant remains skeptical given his firsthand experience dealing with errors in DPS data. "Some of these allegations of massive voter fraud are premature and irresponsible," said Elfant. "We do not want to undermine the integrity of elections before we know what the answers are."

Elfant says the county is currently leaning against removing voters from the rolls immediately if they do not respond to notice letters within 30 days, pointing out that about 30% of people owed a refund by his Tax Office don't respond to those queries even when money's at stake. Other counties, including Williamson, Bastrop, and Harris, have also declined to take the bait as of yet. In a prescient statement, Beth Stev­ens of the Texas Civil Rights Project warned that the "alarming" advisory and Paxton's subsequent "vitriolic" statements aim to drum up support for laws during this Lege session to make it harder for eligible Texans to cast a ballot.

Sure enough, the next business day, Monday, Jan. 28, state Sen. Pat Fallon, R-Prosper, filed Senate Bill 482, which would require a citizenship verification on voter registrations, teeing off a likely messy debate under the pink dome, with the GOP using the SoS "investigation" as ammo. To address the genuine problem of not enough people at the Texas polls, some legislators, such as state Rep. Celia Israel, D-Austin, are working on the flip side to make voting more accessible. Israel's HB 361 would let residents register to vote online – Texas is one of just 13 states in the country that don't have a system in place. This isn't the first time Israel has filed the bill – in 2015 it was left pending in committee, and in 2017 it never received a hearing, underscoring just how truly enthusiastic the GOP is about promoting the right to vote.


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Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:45 PM

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More non-existent reichwing voter fraud bullshit debunked by yours truly.

You're welcome.

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Friday, February 1, 2019 5:42 AM

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when they obtained a driver's license or ID card, provided the Texas Department of Public Safety with documentation (like a green card) showing they were not citizens, though legal U.S. residents. The state compared those names and Social Security numbers with the state voter rolls. So, some if not all of these suspect residents could have subsequently been naturalized ...
If Texas has one of the most stringent voter ID laws in the country, how izzit that one can be registered to vote on the basis of a green card?

In order to register to vote, you should be required to provide either (1) a notarized copy of a birth certificate or (2) naturalization papers or (3) a USA passport, which requires (1) or (2). If for some strange reason you don't have a birth certificate (like not born in a hospital) you should be required to present notarized statements of 2 witnesses to the birth. IN ADDITION, you should also be able to provide a Social Security number and proof of residency, like a utility bill.

To me, the sticky part of voter ID isn't proving citizenship ... the vast majority of people should be able to obtain their birth certificates and Social Security numbers, and if a political party has a burning desire to add people to their rolls they should be prepared to assist with obtaining the necessary documents ... but residency.

Students (who often study away from home), the homeless, military enlisted, people who live in motors homes and travel the country, and Native Americans usually can't provide a street address. I understand why municipal, county, Congressional District, and state elections would like to know if you actually reside in their plot of land before you can vote on its issues and candidates, but deciding which address to use for some people can be tricky.

I look forward to seeing more information on how this was done. I don't see "weak match" as being a problem with this study, tho ... I think that issue is a red herring (so to speak). The fundamental flaw in the original ID papers is the problem, because it sounds to me like a driver's license is all you need to register in Texas, and driver's license ID requirements aren't up to voter registration requirements. Unless I'm missing something, the problem seems pretty straightforward.


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Friday, February 1, 2019 8:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I look forward to seeing more information on how this was done. I don't see "weak match" as being a problem with this study, tho ... I think that issue is a red herring (so to speak). The fundamental flaw in the original ID papers is the problem, because it sounds to me like a driver's license is all you need to register in Texas, and driver's license ID requirements aren't up to voter registration requirements. Unless I'm missing something, the problem seems pretty straightforward.



I'm kind of laughing here, in a very sad way, if that is the problem.

The answer is simple. Require the same paperwork for any State IDs, Drivers Licenses and any government benefits that would be required for the REAL ID.

Period.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, February 1, 2019 9:25 AM

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I'm just going to put another nail in JSF's coffin of extreme humiliation, here. This report from Waco:

State: All 366 on local list of potential noncitizen voters are citizens
https://www.wacotrib.com/news/elections/state-all-on-local-list-of-pot
ential-noncitizen-voters-are/article_20771942-538d-506d-bcad-7e7ca79e261d.html


"By the time local elections officials downloaded a list of 366 registered voters the Texas Secretary of State’s Office initially said may not be citizens, the office had called to tell them to disregard the list, Elections Administrator Kathy Van Wolfe said.

The state told her office by phone Monday that the citizenship of everyone on the list is not in question, Van Wolfe said. The office was informed Friday it would get the list and need to contact each voter for proof of citizenship, she said. The list came Monday, and the secretary of state had backed off on its initial request by the time anyone downloaded the list, she said.

Almost 140,000 McLennan County residents were registered to vote during the November 2018 election.

“They sent out a list and called us and said it was a mistake,” Van Wolfe said. “All those people have proven citizenship.”

A similar scenario played out statewide.

Election officials in Texas’ largest county say they have already cleared about 18,000 voters in the Houston area who the state had wrongly flagged as potential noncitizens."

I know that Russian trolls like JSF rely entirely on falsehoods and half truths to spew their America-destroying propaganda. JSF does this for a living, and we all gotta eat, right?

But seriously, dude. You got your ass kicked here.

As your moral and intellectual superior, I am laughing heartily at your extreme embarrassment and overall stupidity.

Feeling stupid? You should. You are.

We should rename this thread, "Russian Troll makes an idiot of himself, yet again."


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Friday, February 1, 2019 9:38 AM

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You do realize that when you try to make a point but insult somebody, call them Russian when they clearly aren't and then you make ridiculous boasts about how wonderful you are that you've nullified completely any argument you were trying to make, don't you Marcos?

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Friday, February 1, 2019 9:42 AM

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I slaughtered the lying POS Russian troll. You should thank me.

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Friday, February 1, 2019 11:17 AM

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I think you've finally managed to turn yourself into a parody of yourself, Marcos.

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Friday, February 1, 2019 12:16 PM

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I know that bots like REAVERBOT rely entirely on falsehoods and half truths to spew their America-destroying propaganda. REAVERBOT does this for a living, and we all gotta eat, right?


REAVERBOT, why should I - or anyone- trust a single word that you post when you keep spewing obvious lies (defamation) over and over ... and over and over? I KNOW WHO I AM, and you constantly calling me a "Russian troll" just makes me mentally junk-toss anything that you post, because you're either vastly deluded or so friggin' biased that you choose not to tell the truth. Once you've totally undermined your own credibility, anything else is just garbage.

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Friday, February 1, 2019 12:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

I know that bots like REAVERBOT rely entirely on falsehoods and half truths to spew their America-destroying propaganda. REAVERBOT does this for a living, and we all gotta eat, right?


REAVERBOT, why should I - or anyone- trust a single word that you post when you keep spewing obvious lies (defamation) over and over ... and over and over? I KNOW WHO I AM, and you constantly calling me a "Russian troll" just makes me mentally junk-toss anything that you post, because you're either vastly deluded or so friggin' biased that you choose not to tell the truth. Once you've totally undermined your own credibility, anything else is just garbage.

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What happened to REAVERSHIT?

I can feel your intense, burning shame from my location here on the other side of the world, Russian troll.

You lie for a living. You hate yourself.

I crush you constantly. You hate yourself even more.

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Friday, February 1, 2019 2:41 PM

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What happened to REAVERSHIT?
Downgraded from biological to badly written software.

So - go ahead. Call me a Russian troll AGAIN. It only demonstrates how limited you are.



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Friday, February 1, 2019 8:00 PM

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I'm starting to think that Hillary Clinton is just extremely bored these days and that Marcos is actually her.


Hey Hillary! I know you don't get all those top secret e-mails anymore, but I hope you're using Nord VPN.

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Saturday, February 2, 2019 11:10 AM

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Pennsylvania admits to 11,000 noncitizens registered to vote

A top Pennsylvania lawmaker called on the state Wednesday to immediately expunge the names of 11,198 noncitizens whom the state confirmed are registered to vote, despite not being eligible.

State Rep. Daryl Metcalfe, a Republican and former chairman of a House government oversight panel, said the administration of Gov. Tom Wolf, a Democrat, belatedly acknowledged the large number of noncitizens in communications over the past two months.

“I believe that we need to take action and have those people removed immediately from the rolls,” Mr. Metcalfe told The Washington Times. “They were never eligible to vote.”

Just days earlier, officials in Texas announced they had found nearly 100,000 noncitizens on the state’s voter rolls.

The numbers, while not yet evidence of massive voter fraud that President Trump said marred the popular vote in the 2016 election, are nonetheless higher than the almost-zero levels of voting mischief that the president’s critics have suggested.

Some of those Trump opponents don’t believe the latest numbers, particularly in Texas, where Hispanic activists sued to stop a potential purge of the noncitizen names that the state identified.

“It’s clear that the right-wing elements in Texas government are trying to rig the system to keep power and disenfranchise 95,000 American citizens,” said Domingo Garcia, national president of the League of United Latin American Citizens. “There is no voter fraud in Texas. It’s a lie repeated time and again to suppress minority voters, and we’re going to fight hard against it.”

Texas Secretary of State David Whitley used state driver’s license records, which include immigration status, and compared those with voter rolls. He found that about 95,000 people whom the state says weren’t citizens were among the 16 million registered voters.

Of those, about 58,000 had voted at some point since 1996.

State officials followed a similar process in Pennsylvania after admitting that a glitch in state motor vehicle bureau computers allowed noncitizens to register to vote easily. They, too, matched driver’s license records with voter rolls and came up with nearly 11,200 names.

The state did not release the names to Mr. Metcalfe or to Rep. Garth Everett, a Republican and chairman of the House State Government Committee, so they weren’t able to figure out how many had cast ballots.

Contacted by The Washington Times, the Pennsylvania Department of State did not provide a comment on its numbers.

Voter integrity advocates said the findings undermine arguments that there is no problem.

“Demonstrating, much less discussing, noncitizen voting activity is the worst form of heresy one can commit for left-wing groups,” said Logan Churchwell, director of communications and research at the Public Interest Legal Foundation, which is involved in lawsuits in Pennsylvania and Texas to try to pry loose voter data.
He and other advocates said states need to act.

“It is the tip of the iceberg,” Tom Fitton, director of the conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch, told The Times. “This shows the urgent need for citizenship verification for voting. The Department of Justice should follow up with a national investigation.”

No state requires proof of citizenship to register to vote. A U.S. District Court judge last year struck down a law championed by then-Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach to require citizenship documentation. Kansas took the ruling to the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

Texas, however, will take some verification steps in the future. The secretary of state every month will compare newly registered voters with federal immigration records at the Department of Homeland Security.

“This carries the benefit of being a report plus a reform,” Mr. Churchwell said. “This wasn’t a one-off research project. Texas will be actively screening for existing potential noncitizen registrants on a monthly basis, which is something we’ve long pushed for.”

A coalition of 13 liberal groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union, has challenged Mr. Whitley’s methodology and called his findings suspect.

They said that since driver’s licenses are issued every six years in Texas, the person could have become a citizen after the immigration status was submitted to the Department of Public Safety. The League of United Latin American Citizens says in its lawsuit that more than 50,000 Texans are naturalized each year and that most of them vote in their first election.

To account for that, Mr. Whitley created a process for election boards to notify each of the 95,000 names and ask them to verify whether they are citizens and should remain on the rolls.

In Pennsylvania, the state’s Democrat-led administration has been less enthusiastic about confronting the issue.

After an earlier estimate put the number of noncitizens on state voting rolls at 100,000, Mr. Metcalfe made a right-to-know request under state law for the voter information. He was preparing to get the information early last year when the Wolf administration objected and went to court to try to keep it secret.

The state Commonwealth Court, an appellate panel, scheduled a hearing for last month — after the November elections. Just a week before the court hearing, the Wolf administration withdrew its appeal and announced that it would turn over the information.

Mr. Metcalfe said the timing was suspicious.

“This governor has been an obstructionist in revealing this information to the citizens, and thereby I believe a participant in allowing this fraudulent activity to occur because it benefits him and his party,” the lawmaker said.

Mr. Trump tried to spark a national debate over voter fraud in 2017 and even created a presidential commission to calculate hard numbers. Plagued by mismanagement, uncooperative states and myriad lawsuits, the panel disbanded early last year.

The noncitizen debate reached the national level in 2014 when Jesse T. Richman, a professor at Old Dominion University, and two colleagues began publishing estimates of thousands and perhaps millions of illegal voters.

Mr. Richman based his numbers on the comprehensive Cooperative Congressional Election Study conducted by YouGov polling and a consortium of colleges. It is one of the few polls that attempts to find noncitizen voters.

The consortium’s professors dismissed Mr. Richman’s work. After whittling down their own polling, they determined that, statistically, “zero” illegal immigrants vote in U.S. elections.

They have allies at the liberal Brennan Center. Two scholars wrote in 2017: “Like voter fraud generally, non-citizen voting is incredibly rare. Simply put, we already know that ineligible non-citizens do not vote in American elections — including the 2016 election — except at negligible rates.”

The National Hispanic Survey, conducted in 2013 by Republican pollster John McLaughlin, found that 13 percent of noncitizen Hispanic respondents said they were registered to vote.

James D. Agresti, who directs research at the Just Facts nonprofit, applied the 13 percent figure to the 2010 census, which found that 11.8 million noncitizen Hispanics were living in the U.S. Mr. Agresti calculated that the number of illegally registered Hispanics could range from 800,000 to 2.2 million.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/30/pennsylvania-11000-no
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Saturday, February 2, 2019 11:34 AM

SIGNYM

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I see what Texas did, and it has nothing to do with partial matches. They crossed two data bases (drivers license and voter rolls) without trying to time-match the info. In other words, if someone had a driver's license from six years ago, they crossed that with current voter rolls.

It's a good way to flag for inconsistencies - a screening test, if you will. Screening tests SHOULD have false positives and (hopefully) no false negatives in order to be valid. But those inconsistencies need to be followed up with updated information. Presumably those flagged registrations are being checked against ANOTHER database ... I have no idea which one ... to further winnow the results.

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Saturday, February 2, 2019 11:39 AM

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Liberals have claimed that Trump's panel to look into voter fraud was disbanded because they couldn't find any, but the real reason it was disbanded is because states refused to cooperate by handing over their voter information.

I've seen that over and over again in the various stories about voter fraud, including the same statement here https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-calif
ornia-more-voters-than-eligible-adults-claim-20170809-htmlstory.html
which won't allow me to copy-paste bc of copyright limitations. You'll just have to look into it yourself.

Still - just the like questions about electronic voting and electronic vote counting- these questions should never arise. The system needs to be far more robust and secure than it currently is. For example, the question of "inactive" voters being on the rolls in CA means that dead people may still be on the rolls. Or people may have moved and registered some place else, and be double-registered. Isn't there a statewide database to look for duplicates? Don't they check against death records? So one critical flaw in the CA system is while it's easy to register, there appears to be no UNregistration process. Isn't there a way to legitimately remove dead/ moved people from the rolls?

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Saturday, February 2, 2019 2:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

What happened to REAVERSHIT?
Downgraded from biological to badly written software.

So - go ahead. Call me a Russian troll AGAIN. It only demonstrates how limited you are.



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It just proves what we already know.

You're a Russian troll and I kicked your ass, yet again, with facts and logic.

Thread over. I win. You lose.

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Saturday, February 2, 2019 2:42 PM

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Thank you for demonstrating your limited programming, again, REAVERBOT. Please ask for an upgrade next time because "Russian troll" seems to be the only thing you post.



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Saturday, February 2, 2019 3:57 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Thank you for demonstrating your limited programming, again, REAVERBOT. Please ask for an upgrade next time because "Russian troll" seems to be the only thing you post.



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Why would I call a Russian troll anything other than a Russian troll?

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Sunday, February 3, 2019 12:48 PM

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Dems are headed to Texas to probe suspected voter suppression
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/
article225292530.html


My total victory in destroying the lies of Russian trolls is always the standard, here.

While I do enjoy smashing your faces into your own shit, I do it for America, not just the satisfaction I get by being your moral and intellectual superior, and making fools of you in public.

Yet another humiliating defeat you will never live down.


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Sunday, February 3, 2019 2:34 PM

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Quote:

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I see what Texas did, and it has nothing to do with partial matches. They crossed two data bases (drivers license and voter rolls) without trying to time-match the info. In other words, if someone had a driver's license from six years ago, they crossed that with current voter rolls.

It's a good way to flag for inconsistencies - a screening test, if you will. Screening tests SHOULD have false positives and (hopefully) no false negatives in order to be valid. But those inconsistencies need to be followed up with updated information. Presumably those flagged registrations are being checked against ANOTHER database ... I have no idea which one ... to further winnow the results.

The report said they voted in an Election since 1996.
If they voted in 1998 and were still a non-citizen in 2012, would that not indicate Fraudulent and Illegal Voting? They could have voted in 7 Congressional Elections and more Primaries between 1996 and 2012.

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Sunday, February 3, 2019 2:54 PM

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I destroyed your lies. You may crawl away now, and cry your eyes out in your cramped computer room in St Petersburg, feeling the sting of your abject humiliation.


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Sunday, February 3, 2019 3:06 PM

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Texas Officials Are Exaggerating Voter Fraud. That’s Exactly The Point.
Sowing distrust and uncertainty about the election system — regardless of proof — can be used to push new voting restrictions.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/texas-voter-fraud-allegations_us_
5c54cd7ae4b0871047537a1f?utm_source=reddit.com


To many, the debacle in Texas is a just the latest chapter in a story that has played out over and over again in several states across the country in recent years. An official or activist group will make a salacious claim of illegal voting using unverified information and grab headlines before the claim is investigated and debunked in the ensuing months. Almost always, the claim turns out to be either wildly exaggerated or untrue, but it doesn’t really matter. People remember only the original, scintillating accusation. While several studies have shown voter fraud is not a widespread problem, politicians use the simmering uncertainty about election integrity to justify new voting restrictions.

In Texas, the investigation of suspected noncitizens comes after a surge in Latino voter turnout in November and a pending bill in the Texas Legislature to require proof of citizenship when someone registers to vote.

Lorraine Minnite, a Rutgers professor who has studied many allegations of voter fraud, said what’s happening in Texas was part of a “very familiar pattern” that she’s observed over two decades.

“It almost doesn’t matter that they’re not correct, because they just keep saying it,” said Minnite, the author of The Myth of Voter Fraud. “The political strategy is almost to deliberately produce bad information, and then you go out with it and it’s hard to debunk right away.” By the time that happens, the misinformation is etched into voters’ psyches.

Well, the psyches of stupid voters, anyway.


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Sunday, February 3, 2019 8:10 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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What's with the Liberal use of hyperbole here, Marcos?

Pun intended.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, February 4, 2019 12:44 PM

REAVERFAN


ACLU: We’re suing Texas for rolling out an error-ridden voter purge program that flagged tens of thousands of registered voters for review — despite officials knowing that the list included naturalized citizens who are eligible to vote.
https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/1092461439820972037

You want to know what will be proven?

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Monday, February 4, 2019 1:15 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


OMG!!! They're reviewing voter registrations!!! Isn't that, like, the PURPOSE of the State Secretary? I would be concerned if the review led to actual unfair roll purges, but not a review itself. The ACLU has gone off the deep end.

Of, as libtards like to say ... If you're not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't mind a little review.



BTW, I noticed that you're avoiding the Pennsylvania case like the plague. Is that because the review was done by a Democrat, and found 11,000 non-citizen registrants?




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Monday, February 4, 2019 1:35 PM

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Voter Fraud Proven
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Yep, and it was the republicans

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Monday, February 4, 2019 7:09 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
OMG!!! They're reviewing voter registrations!!! Isn't that, like, the PURPOSE of the State Secretary? I would be concerned if the review led to actual unfair roll purges, but not a review itself. The ACLU has gone off the deep end.

Of, as libtards like to say ... If you're not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't mind a little review.



BTW, I noticed that you're avoiding the Pennsylvania case like the plague. Is that because the review was done by a Democrat, and found 11,000 non-citizen registrants?




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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .



Same shit, different state.

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Monday, February 4, 2019 8:13 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
ACLU: We’re suing Texas for rolling out an error-ridden voter purge program that flagged tens of thousands of registered voters for review — despite officials knowing that the list included naturalized citizens who are eligible to vote.
https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/1092461439820972037

You want to know what will be proven?



They're suing over registered voters being "flagged for review".

I seriously doubt that is the case. What "damages" could they possibly be suing for? If they're all legal citizens, then they wouldn't even know that their under review. This type of thing (supposedly) happens all the time anyway, and it should. Verification and purges of the voter database, in instances where people have died or moved out of state.


What a dumb tweet. Is the ACLU trying to see if they can beat Trump for stupidest tweet of 2019?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, February 4, 2019 8:50 PM

REAVERFAN


Right over your head.

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Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:52 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Just using a little common sense there JSF. "They" would have to get past all those people to get their "fake" ID. Plus the fact that it would be a state problem and not federal, meaning: That each state, as Jack pointed out above,
with their different rules, would have to come up with different ways to put a stop to it. You know, like stopping bribes and the like.

Pretty simple really.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:

It's just a theory,

sure. But...a good one!

Quote:

I think it holds a lot more water than the idea of nearly 100,000 people living here illegally deciding to make an individual decision to potentially throw themselves and their own families into the lion's den by taking a trip to the DMV to illegally obtain voter registration that they had no legal business obtaining.


Again, good point. Let's take it a step further, shall we? They would have to fool the DMV (gather up really good fake documents, like those folks from
Trump's Golf Club. Those poor bastards that Trump hired to oversee his business were surely taken advantage of by those lying scumbag illegals. Didn't they realize that eventually they would be found out?).

They would have to fool the election board, imagine the egg on their faces when the AG/SoS comes a'calling and find that they too (election board) were
flim-flammed by those sneaky illegals. Then, at the voting polls, get past the election officials who are trained to ensure that the voting process runs smooth. Those "non-citizens" are very clever to do all that. But they got caught, so justice prevails.

Here's another state that has had some trouble with voter fraud or voter tampering:



This is terrible, poor North Carolina voters. What, if anything, can be done?


SGG

Not sure if your tongue is welded into your cheek, but at least your brain seems engaged,
as opposed to 6ix.


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Tuesday, February 5, 2019 5:24 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Thanks for posting RF. I posted a video from You Tube of a Texas news cast
revealing, in a short segment, just that very thing - that the Texas AG and SoS completed their analysis and found NOTHING. Of course, our "good buddies"
here in RWED would never admit to the finding, but there you have it. Proven
wrong again...NO COLLUSION...wait, wrong topic...NO VOTER FRAUD! Just silly
wacky good fun by the Orange-in-Chief, getting his base all worked up for
nothing (just part of the red meat feeding frenzy).

I too questioned the method and procedure of the investigation, and a bunch of other stuff, cause I knew this was just a baseless attempt to hijack the vote
in yet another Red State. Texas is awful nervous to pull a stunt like that.
Could it be that the state is leaning toward Purple? O'Rouke must have shaken
some trees around there.

Anyway, thanks once again for posting the article. Of course, you could bash these guys over the head with an anvil and they'll deny that it hurts like heck.


SGG


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