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"Don’t Make Detroit’s Debate Miami Part II ... This time, don’t fall into the traps that had many of us shaking our heads during the debates in Miami."

"Before our party promises health care coverage to undocumented immigrants — a position not even Ted Kennedy took — let’s help the more than 30 million Americans who are a single illness away from financial ruin. Before we start worrying about whether the Boston Marathon bomber can vote, let’s stop states that are actively trying to curtail voting rights of citizens. And before we promise a guaranteed minimum income to healthy adults who prefer to stay home and play video games, let’s increase the minimum wage and the Earned Income Tax Credit to make work pay for the millions of people who work hard and still live near poverty."

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'll start with illegal immigration.

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At this point, I think most people understand there is a crisis at the border. And perhaps they even understand our asylum process is broken, and that once people enter the US we do an extremely poor job tracking them.

A lot of this sloppiness is historical, some of it is political, but I think it's also significantly intentional as well.

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Of course taken from:
www.nytimes.com/2019/07/23/us/ice-raids-apprehensions.html

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Welfare state and open borders simply don't mix. Many EU nations have discovered that already, and most Americans understand that concept at a gut level.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Yes - I'm hoping to have separate threads titled 'how the Democrats give away votes - xxxxxx'

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https://ccrweb.ca/en/refugees-entering-us-and-safe-third-country-faq
Under the Safe Third Country Agreement, in force since December 2004, Canada and the US designate each other as “safe” for refugees and establish the principle that refugee claimants should generally seek protection in the first of the two countries that they reach. There are some limited exceptions to this principle, including for people with family in the other country.

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https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/ref
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Resettle in Canada as a refugee
Determine your eligibility

To come to Canada as a refugee, you must be referred. The United Nations Refugee Agency (UNHCR), a designated referral organization, or a private sponsorship group can refer you. You cannot apply directly to us as a refugee.

To be referred, you must fall into one of these two refugee classes.
1) Convention refugee abroad class
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Find out if you’re eligible – Refugee status from inside Canada (after an irregular crossing)
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/ref
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The IRB decides who is a Convention refugee or a person in need of protection.

Your refugee claim may not be eligible to be referred to the IRB if you:
have been recognized as a Convention refugee by another country that you can return to.
have already been granted protected person status in Canada.
arrived via the Canada-United States border.
are not admissible to Canada on security grounds, or because of criminal activity or human rights violations.
made a previous refugee claim that was not found eligible.
made a previous refugee claim that was rejected by the IRB.
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5 Ways To Immigrate To Canada | Canadian Immigration
Express Entry
Provincial Nominee Programs
Quebec Immigration
Studying in Canada
Family Sponsorship

Express Entry (permanent residence)
apply to one of the immigration streams governed by Express Entry (Federal Skilled Worker (FSW), Canadian Experience Class (CEC), Federal Skilled Trades Program (FSTP) and some Provincial Nominee Programs (PNPs)

Provincial Nominee Programs (permanent residence)
each province and territory has authority over its own immigration programs and policies. ... ideal candidates for PNP programs usually fall under one of these categories (Have recently worked in Canada, or are currently working on a valid work permit; Are currently in the Express Entry pool and meet the eligibility criteria for one of the Provincial Nominee Programs aligned with Express Entry; Have a connection to the province, in the form of studies, prior work experience, or a formal job offer; ave a family member living in the province in question, which may assist your application for some PNPs)

Quebec Immigration (permanent residence)
Currently, there are no Quebec immigration streams that are aligned with Express Entry. Instead, you may choose to apply directly to the Quebec government for the Quebec Skilled Worker Program, the Quebec Experience Class, or Quebec Business Immigration.

Studying in Canada (permanent residence)
If you’re ineligible for one of the immigration streams mentioned above, the student pathway can be an excellent option for becoming a Canadian permanent resident.

Family Sponsorship (unstated)
If you have a spouse or child that is currently a Canadian permanent resident or citizen, they are allowed to sponsor you to come to Canada.

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As a comparison, please note that Canada has strict requirements for those who seek asylum or permanent residence in Canada.

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Welfare state and open borders simply don't mix. Many EU nations have discovered that already, and most Americans understand that concept at a gut level.

KIKI, are you planning on creating a different thread for each topic?

Because there's another one that the Democrats are focusing on (according to someone who watched the first round of the second debate) which is, if anything, even more unpopular than extending welfare to illegal migrants, and that's "reparations for slavery".

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Welfare state and open borders simply don't mix. Many EU nations have discovered that already, and most Americans understand that concept at a gut level.

KIKI, are you planning on creating a different thread for each topic?

Because there's another one that the Democrats are focusing on (according to someone who watched the first round of the second debate) which is, if anything, even more unpopular than extending welfare to illegal migrants, and that's "reparations for slavery".

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Is kamala Harris the one who supports reparations, and would be one of the heirs of slaveowners who would be paying out the reparations?

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Democratic Presidential Candidates Need to Stop Taking Unpopular Stances

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Democrats Cannot Ignore the Rest of America and Win in 2020
Recent polls have shown that Democratic primary voter positions are not in step with the sentiments of the general electorate. This needs to change for Democrats to defeat Trump in 2020.

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I think there are policies that would rightly represent almost ALL Americans, not just those who see themselves as permanent victims. Good jobs for everyone who can work. Equality of education and opportunity, no discrimination in jobs or pay or housing or banking. Healthcare. No more war. A system that rewards work, not ownership. Seems like it's a plan that almost everyone could get behind, if they believed that the promise was genuine and achievable. So why don't the Dems do it?

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I think there are policies that would rightly represent almost ALL Americans, not just those who see themselves as permanent victims. Good jobs for everyone who can work. Equality of education and opportunity, no discrimination in jobs or pay or housing or banking. Healthcare. No more war. A system that rewards work, not ownership. Seems like it's a plan that almost everyone could get behind, if they believed that the promise was genuine and achievable. So why don't the Dems do it?= SIGNY

That is pure Huey Long: "A Chicken In Every Pot, and Every Man A King."

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Long was way ahead of his time, and that was in 1934. He wanted a cap on extreme wealth, and shift the economy balance to the then barely existing middle class. He also was assassinated.

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Today, the median income is $60,000 per year. The half of the country's voters above the median would oppose strenuously any policy that helped those below the median. For even raising the minimum wage, there is little support. And forget about Healthcare for all when those above the median already have healthcare. And I NEVER see those either above or below the median complaining that our Generals and Admirals are half-ass losers who kill civilians but never win a war. Vietnam? We'd still be fighting there if Congress had not cutoff funding for that specific war. Most Americans won't go to the polls to demand the Pentagon budget be cut in half. Unless the budget is cut, the endless American wars will continue. Instead, American voters want either more spent on "Defense" or maintain the present spending levels.

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Disagree with you there, SECOND. Many of those above the median income make their money by WORKING. Doctors, engineers, chemists, lawyers.... they're above the median but they're not rentier capitalists. They should have no problems with a system that rewards work.

And as far as Americans "wanting" war ... yanno, Americans have to be constantly prodded into it. The peace alternative has to be constantly removed from sight: That's why Tulsi Gabbard is being soft-censored from the picture. The propagnadists wouldn't have to work so hard to stampede us into war if (1) our opinion didn't make a difference and (2) if our opinion wasn't heading in the opposite direction.

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We all know that you don't do anything productive.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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My job when I was in construction was building petrochemical plants. Those plants all burned natural gas so my job was to put CO2 into the atmosphere. Then there was the job of drilling for natural gas, which ultimately is burned into CO2. If that isn't productive, then you are correct. I am responsible for megatons, no, make that gigatons of greenhouse gases. This summer you can thank me for the heatwave. This winter, thank me for an earlier than usual spring.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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... it's not JUST about the welfare state. There are many arenas in the US that don't currently meet the needs of existing citizens that would be overwhelmed by a large influx of immigrants, like schools and medical care. But I'll focus on ... housing.

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