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I do, however, remember a time when the Democrats were on the side of the working people and weren't made up of a bunch of college brainwashed Leftists that think they're better than everybody else and wouldn't use burger flipping as a personal insult.

You've never won a single argument against me because it's impossible to do so from your vantage point. Hypocrisy makes for a very poor cornerstone.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It matters because he's only the 2nd Hollywood douche bag who's made good on all of those countless promises that they were going to leave the country when things didn't go their way.

And in this case, he did it preemptively.

Maybe he knows something about the election that you don't.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
That didn't take long. Did you lose your job, again?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It matters because he's only the 2nd Hollywood douche bag who's made good on all of those countless promises that they were going to leave the country when things didn't go their way.

And in this case, he did it preemptively.

Maybe he knows something about the election that you don't.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Who was the first?
Not Kim Basinger, she renegged.
Not Alec Baldwin, he renegged.

Long list of renegging douchebags.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Johnny Depp.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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manufacturing jobs have gone overseas and middle-class jobs are harder to come by for people without college degrees. ... what goes on in the lives of real people when the industrial economy goes south. It’s about reacting to bad circumstances in the worst way possible ...

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Originally posted by second:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Johnny Depp.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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You're bitter because you can't go anywhere since you have no money.

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manufacturing jobs have gone overseas and middle-class jobs are harder to come by for people without college degrees. ... what goes on in the lives of real people when the industrial economy goes south. It’s about reacting to bad circumstances in the worst way possible ...

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Gosh, the author sounds awfully self-righteous (and self-congratulatory).

HIS experience was a backbreaking job that hardly paid anything that he was working at ... during summer on his way to Yale Law School.

I grew up in an economy very similar to his. And I worked the same kind of shitty no-account jobs he writes about, during summers, between semesters. They were 'dirty' assembly line work in stifling conditions doing physical work, gas station attendant, waitressing (twice), housecleaning (twice) ... and so on.

I was the only college kid in those jobs.

In those jobs there were kids my age, out of high schools a few years. There were men and women in their 20's and 30's, some single, some married, some with children. There were middle-aged people. There were older people. But what they all had in common was that for various reasons, college, or a trade school, or any meaningful advancement, were out of reach. They were almost certainly not going to go anywhere beyond those miserable - but most importantly low-paying - jobs, or jobs very much like them.

So while it's true that anybody can 'make it', it's not true that everybody can make it. And the economy is such that the vast majority won't. There just aren't that many opportunities.

I have not a whole lot of sympathy for people who believe that just because their daddy was a steel worker, or miner, or fisherman, or lumberjack, or autoworker, that they too have an inalienable right to the exact same kind of job. Industries come and go.

But for those vast majority of people who do the bulk of the work in our economy, the economy should have some kind of secure living-wage job for everybody who is willing to work.

And we don't have that.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol @ vox-approved books.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Lives in a dumpy little shit town full of other rednecks, has never been anywhere else, and thinks that, because he doesn't know anyone smarter than he is, that everyone is just as dumb and uninformed as he is.

And where he is, that's probably true. White racist rednecks are not a majority. They just think they are.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Dude. I've lived within a half hour of Chicago my entire life except for when I lived 3 minutes from Milwaukee.

Are you smoking meth again?

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Lives in a dumpy little shit town full of other rednecks, has never been anywhere else, and thinks that, because he doesn't know anyone smarter than he is, that everyone is just as dumb and uninformed as he is.

And where he is, that's probably true. White racist rednecks are not a majority. They just think they are.

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Described the scene so well.... by looking out the window

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manufacturing jobs have gone overseas and middle-class jobs are harder to come by for people without college degrees. ... what goes on in the lives of real people when the industrial economy goes south. It’s about reacting to bad circumstances in the worst way possible ...

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Gosh, the author sounds awfully self-righteous (and self-congratulatory).

HIS experience was a backbreaking job that hardly paid anything that he was working at ... during summer on his way to Yale Law School.

I grew up in an economy very similar to his. And I worked the same kind of shitty no-account jobs he writes about, during summers, between semesters. They were 'dirty' assembly line work in stifling conditions doing physical work, gas station attendant, waitressing (twice), housecleaning (twice) ... and so on.

I was the only college kid in those jobs.

In those jobs there were kids my age, out of high schools a few years. There were men and women in their 20's and 30's, some single, some married, some with children. There were middle-aged people. There were older people. But what they all had in common was that for various reasons, college, or a trade school, or any meaningful advancement, were out of reach. They were almost certainly not going to go anywhere beyond those miserable - but most importantly low-paying - jobs, or jobs very much like them.

So while it's true that anybody can 'make it', it's not true that everybody can make it. And the economy is such that the vast majority won't. There just aren't that many opportunities.

I have not a whole lot of sympathy for people who believe that just because their daddy was a steel worker, or miner, or fisherman, or lumberjack, or autoworker, that they too have an inalienable right to the exact same kind of job. Industries come and go.

But for those vast majority of people who do the bulk of the work in our economy, the economy should have some kind of secure living-wage job for everybody who is willing to work.

And we don't have that.

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And why don't we have jobs paying a living-wage in America? Republicans won't raise the minimum wage and Democrats, if they could get around the filibuster, are stingy about money for other people who work for them in menial jobs.

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