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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Just spitballing here - Alec Baldwin has a history of losing his temper and lashing out at people. Maybe he got mad and picked up the gun and fired it to "express" his anger, not realizing that even blanks are dangerous?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Wow, that sucks.

Who's responsible for that, ultimately? The producer?

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Originally posted by second:

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Wow, that sucks.

Who's responsible for that, ultimately? The producer?

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The responsible person in charge of overseeing the gun props, known as the armorer, is Hannah Gutierrez Reed, who could not be reached for comment. The 24-year-old is the daughter of veteran armorer Thell Reed and had recently completed her first film as the head armorer for the movie “The Old Way,” with Clint Howard and Nicolas Cage.

https://web.archive.org/web/20211023174509/https://www.latimes.com/ent
ertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Strange events or odd coincidence

Assistant Director worked on the sequel to Crow, a sequal to the original movie where Brandon Lee died
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0132910/

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The other Baldwin guy has spoken out

I take the other actor Adam Baldwin with a pinch of salt, he was a Neo-Con supporter before he did Firefly, did the Alien Invasion Independence Day 1996, starred in Full Metal Jacket as well as the television series and movie Firefly/Serenity and was in a recent tv show in The Last Ship.
The loundmouth Adam Baldwin our Firefly Actor and no relation to those other Baldwin hollywood family

However as hot-headed and Neo-Con as he was, sometimes I do believe he once in a while stumbles upon important stuff to say

his thoughts

https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/1452083940416647168

This weapon has a hair trigger when cocked. It never should have been cocked, let alone unchecked for barrel obstruction, aimed at crewmembers and squeezed.
Negligent homicide.


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Theory:

Producer/Star of movie is highly agitated about time/cost overruns on his film, to the point that key crewmembers protest about safety concerns but are snubbed by Producer/Star… so they walk off.
Pressure builds, corners are cut to save time, e.g., pre-set “hot” guns…

and

'If you’re pointing a weapon at anyone on set without permission from the armorer, director & 1st AD, then you should be reprimanded for the first offense, fired for the second.
If you do so and harm/kill someone, you should be be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.'

https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/1452028687956598785
He re-tweets Imagine it was Mel Gibson who negligently killed someone with a firearm on set. Would the media landscape be the same? Definitely not.
He REPLIES
Or Clint (which of course would never happen)?!

maybe Adam went too far here with these comments? or did he??

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


What was his name? They don't show pictures of crew on IMDB and there was no assistant director listed for Crow 2.

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Originally posted by second:
Hollywood’s love of guns increases the risk of shootings – both on and off the set

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Gun accidents on set like Alec Baldwin’s aren’t new

https://nypost.com/2021/10/24/gun-accidents-on-set-arent-new/

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Wow, that sucks.

Who's responsible for that, ultimately? The producer?

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The responsible person in charge of overseeing the gun props, known as the armorer, is Hannah Gutierrez Reed, who could not be reached for comment. The 24-year-old is the daughter of veteran armorer Thell Reed and had recently completed her first film as the head armorer for the movie “The Old Way,” with Clint Howard and Nicolas Cage.

https://web.archive.org/web/20211023174509/https://www.latimes.com/ent
ertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Yes, but there was another incident on set. Why no investigation? Why not institute a second pair of eyes? Why not fire or demote the armorer? Was this a case of rushing to stay on-schedule? Not ruffle the feelings of the daughter of an industry insider? What gives?
There should never have been a "second time" after the "first time".

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I think the media is using it as a distraction for all the bad shit happening right now.

They wouldn't have talked about it more than half a day if the actor/actress that fired the gun didn't talk politics all the time.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I think the media is using it as a distraction for all the bad shit happening right now.

They wouldn't have talked about it more than half a day if the actor/actress that fired the gun didn't talk politics all the time.

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You don't even own a gun, but you want the right to be asshole: The gun that killed “Rust” cinematographer Halyna Hutchins last Thursday was used by crew members that morning for live-ammunition target practice, an individual with knowledge of the set told TheWrap. A number of crew members had taken prop guns from the New Mexico set of the indie Western — including the gun that killed Hutchins — to go “plinking,” a hobby in which people shoot at beer cans with live ammunition to pass the time, the insider said. The shooting happened just a few hours later.
https://www.yahoo.com/now/rust-shooting-gun-killed-halyna-210815754.ht
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The media needs to find out who those beer can shooting crew members are. Since the crew behaved like assholes, the media should ask them who they voted for. The only guys I know who shoot at beer cans AND are irresponsible are Trumptards.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

You're a fucking idiot, Second.

Do a Google Search with a custom range before 2021 and you'll find a ton of articles explaining to you what a prop gun is and why you can't fire live ammunition out of them unless you convert them first.

Nobody was out plinking beer cans with a prop gun before the incident.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

You're a fucking idiot, Second.

Do a Google Search with a custom range before 2021 and you'll find a ton of articles explaining to you what a prop gun is and why you can't fire live ammunition out of them unless you convert them first.

Nobody was out plinking beer cans with a prop gun before the incident.

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6ix, real guns are far cheaper than so-called "prop guns" especially built to look authentic without functioning. This low-budget movie used real guns to save money.

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Prop guns have been around for a long time. The film industry has been using prop guns of all types for many years. Blank guns were more common back-in-the-day but have been changed out for the replica mechanical or gas blowback airsoft types because of safety concerns.

Feel free to get yourself one if you want to see one for yourself. They are generally cheaper and are not regulated the way normal firearms are. Just be careful where you take it. Most people will not realize that it is a prop gun and not a real gun. The police will not know either.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Once again, you're full of shit.

You need to stop reading what the media is telling you in the last week.

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Originally posted by second:

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Once again, you're full of shit.

You need to stop reading what the media is telling you in the last week.

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I'm talking about money and you are talking just be running your mouth.

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6ix, you know nothing about the price of guns, prop or real, and never owned weapons.

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Originally posted by second:
If you feel more outrage over an accident on a movie set than an attempted overthrow of the U.S. government, you might be a Republican. A simple test to find out if you're a traitor.

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:

I'm still nominally alive, haven't been online for a while.

I saw this story. Looks like someone set up an incident to assassinate someone's career. he's a moron for pointing the gun directly at the camerawoman even if instructed to do so. the prop guy is probably an agent of baphomet, this happens way too often, and there's zero chance of getting live rounds onto a movie set accidentally.

it's possible to kill someone with a blank, like that guy from what was the name of some tv show in the 1990s, my sister was a fan of the show, and the lead shot himself in the head with a blank as a joke.

That said I don't think a blank can go through the heart of one person and wound the person behind them

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I think the media is using it as a distraction for all the bad shit happening right now.

They wouldn't have talked about it more than half a day if the actor/actress that fired the gun didn't talk politics all the time.

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“Is it possible to support survivors of pedophilia and sexual assault/abuse and also believe that Woody Allen is innocent? I think so. The intention is not to dismiss or ignore such complaints. But accusing people of such crimes should be treated carefully. On behalf of the victims, as well.”

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
So... I can't pin a hypocrisy on Baldwin here when I was fully expecting to easily be able to do so.

I just wanted to point that out.




I'm glad that the authorities aren't just dismissing this as an accident and are investigating a murder. Because somebody was murdered here.

But like I said in my first post in the thread, Alec Baldwin wasn't the murderer. He was a tool just like that gun was.

Maybe it didn't matter who it killed if all the murderer wanted to do was put Alec in this position. But if that bullet was intended for somebody specifically it ended up getting the wrong person.

Who was that gun supposed to be pointed at next in the film?

Why is that question still not being asked by anybody?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
did a little Google-Fu

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Alec Baldwin ‘Extremely Interested’ in Limiting Use of Firearms on Film Sets
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/10/31/alec-baldwin-extrem
ely-interested-in-limiting-use-of-firearms-on-film-sets/

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did a little Google-Fu

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Dump that search engine and pick another, startpage, duckduckgo, searchx whatever you find because politics eats the other engine and will soon censor results

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
So... I can't pin a hypocrisy on Baldwin here when I was fully expecting to easily be able to do so.

I just wanted to point that out.




I'm glad that the authorities aren't just dismissing this as an accident and are investigating a murder. Because somebody was murdered here.

But like I said in my first post in the thread, Alec Baldwin wasn't the murderer. He was a tool just like that gun was.

Maybe it didn't matter who it killed if all the murderer wanted to do was put Alec in this position. But if that bullet was intended for somebody specifically it ended up getting the wrong person.

Who was that gun supposed to be pointed at next in the film?

Why is that question still not being asked by anybody?

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Sounds like Baldwin was a producer on the film. And the Safety Crew left the set (earlier in the day) in protest for the lack of safety. 3 prior gun safety incidences occurred ON THIS SET, THIS FILM. The weapon was left unattended during the lunch, right before it was given to Baldwin.
I'm not ready to exonerate him for this accumulation of failures, or the final result.

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Who was that gun supposed to be pointed at next in the film?

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Who was that gun supposed to be pointed at next in the film?

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It was supposed to be aimed at the camera, I presume to show what the target was supposed to be looking at.

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