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In Putin's own words: Munich Security Conference 2007

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Thursday, March 3, 2022 12:07 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


People keep citing this speech. I finally decided to look it up. All of Russia's concerns are here. Recent events shouldn't be a surprise, they are a natural outgrowth of the past.

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Vladimir Putin’s Historical Speech at the
Munich Conference on Security Policy

The Washington Post,
Monday, February 12, 2007; 11:24 AM

Putin (in Russian): Thank you very much dear Madam Federal Chancellor, Mr Teltschik, ladies and gentlemen!

I am truly grateful to be invited to such a representative conference that has assembled politicians, military officials, entrepreneurs and experts from more than 40 nations.

This conference’s structure allows me to avoid excessive politeness and the need to speak in roundabout, pleasant but empty diplomatic terms. This conference’s format will allow me to say what I really think about international security problems. And if my comments seem unduly polemical, pointed or inexact to our colleagues, then I would ask you not to get angry with me. After all, this is only a conference. And I hope that after the first two or three minutes of my speech Mr Teltschik will not turn on the red light over there.

Therefore. It is well known that international security comprises much more than issues relating to military and political stability. It involves the stability of the global economy, overcoming poverty, economic security and developing a dialogue between civilisations.

This universal, indivisible character of security is expressed as the basic principle that “security for one is security for all”. As Franklin D. Roosevelt said during the first few days that the Second World War was breaking out: “When peace has been broken anywhere, the peace of all countries everywhere is in danger.

These words remain topical today. Incidentally, the theme of our conference — global crises, global responsibility — exemplifies this.

Only two decades ago the world was ideologically and economically divided and it was the huge strategic potential of two superpowers that ensured global security.

This global stand-off pushed the sharpest economic and social problems to the margins of the international community’s and the world’s agenda. And, just like any war, the Cold War left us with live ammunition, figuratively speaking. I am referring to ideological stereotypes, double standards and other typical aspects of Cold War bloc thinking.

The unipolar world that had been proposed after the Cold War did not take place either.

The history of humanity certainly has gone through unipolar periods and seen aspirations to world supremacy. And what hasn’t happened in world history?

However, what is a unipolar world? However one might embellish this term, at the end of the day it refers to one type of situation, namely one centre of authority, one centre of force, one centre of decision-making.

It is world in which there is one master, one sovereign. And at the end of the day this is pernicious not only for all those within this system, but also for the sovereign itself because it destroys itself from within.

And this certainly has nothing in common with democracy. Because, as you know, democracy is the power of the majority in light of the interests and opinions of the minority.

Incidentally, Russia – we – are constantly being taught about democracy. But for some reason those who teach us do not want to learn themselves.

I consider that the unipolar model is not only unacceptable but also impossible in today’s world. And this is not only because if there was individual leadership in today’s – and precisely in today’s – world, then the military, political and economic resources would not suffice. What is even more important is that the model itself is flawed because at its basis there is and can be no moral foundations for modern civilisation.

Along with this, what is happening in today’s world – and we just started to discuss this – is a tentative to introduce precisely this concept into international affairs, the concept of a unipolar world.

And with which results?

Unilateral and frequently illegitimate actions have not resolved any problems. Moreover, they have caused new human tragedies and created new centres of tension. Judge for yourselves: wars as well as local and regional conflicts have not diminished. Mr Teltschik mentioned this very gently. And no less people perish in these conflicts – even more are dying than before. Significantly more, significantly more!

Today we are witnessing an almost uncontained hyper use of force – military force – in international relations, force that is plunging the world into an abyss of permanent conflicts. As a result we do not have sufficient strength to find a comprehensive solution to any one of these conflicts. Finding a political settlement also becomes impossible.

We are seeing a greater and greater disdain for the basic principles of international law. And independent legal norms are, as a matter of fact, coming increasingly closer to one state’s legal system. One state and, of course, first and foremost the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way. This is visible in the economic, political, cultural and educational policies it imposes on other nations. Well, who likes this? Who is happy about this?

In international relations we increasingly see the desire to resolve a given question according to so-called issues of political expediency, based on the current political climate.

And of course this is extremely dangerous. It results in the fact that no one feels safe. I want to emphasise this — no one feels safe! Because no one can feel that international law is like a stone wall that will protect them. Of course such a policy stimulates an arms race.

The force’s dominance inevitably encourages a number of countries to acquire weapons of mass destruction. Moreover, significantly new threats – though they were also well-known before – have appeared, and today threats such as terrorism have taken on a global character.

I am convinced that we have reached that decisive moment when we must seriously think about the architecture of global security.

And we must proceed by searching for a reasonable balance between the interests of all participants in the international dialogue. Especially since the international landscape is so varied and changes so quickly – changes in light of the dynamic development in a whole number of countries and regions.

Madam Federal Chancellor already mentioned this. The combined GDP measured in purchasing power parity of countries such as India and China is already greater than that of the United States. And a similar calculation with the GDP of the BRIC countries – Brazil, Russia, India and China – surpasses the cumulative GDP of the EU. And according to experts this gap will only increase in the future.

There is no reason to doubt that the economic potential of the new centres of global economic growth will inevitably be converted into political influence and will strengthen multipolarity.

In connection with this the role of multilateral diplomacy is significantly increasing. The need for principles such as openness, transparency and predictability in politics is uncontested and the use of force should be a really exceptional measure, comparable to using the death penalty in the judicial systems of certain states.

However, today we are witnessing the opposite tendency, namely a situation in which countries that forbid the death penalty even for murderers and other, dangerous criminals are airily participating in military operations that are difficult to consider legitimate. And as a matter of fact, these conflicts are killing people – hundreds and thousands of civilians!

But at the same time the question arises of whether we should be indifferent and aloof to various internal conflicts inside countries, to authoritarian regimes, to tyrants, and to the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction? As a matter of fact, this was also at the centre of the question that our dear colleague Mr Lieberman asked the Federal Chancellor. If I correctly understood your question (addressing Mr Lieberman), then of course it is a serious one! Can we be indifferent observers in view of what is happening? I will try to answer your question as well: of course not.

But do we have the means to counter these threats? Certainly we do. It is sufficient to look at recent history. Did not our country have a peaceful transition to democracy? Indeed, we witnessed a peaceful transformation of the Soviet regime – a peaceful transformation! And what a regime! With what a number of weapons, including nuclear weapons! Why should we start bombing and shooting now at every available opportunity? Is it the case when without the threat of mutual destruction we do not have enough political culture, respect for democratic values and for the law?

I am convinced that the only mechanism that can make decisions about using military force as a last resort is the Charter of the United Nations. And in connection with this, either I did not understand what our colleague, the Italian Defence Minister, just said or what he said was inexact. In any case, I understood that the use of force can only be legitimate when the decision is taken by NATO, the EU, or the UN. If he really does think so, then we have different points of view. Or I didn’t hear correctly. The use of force can only be considered legitimate if the decision is sanctioned by the UN. And we do not need to substitute NATO or the EU for the UN. When the UN will truly unite the forces of the international community and can really react to events in various countries, when we will leave behind this disdain for international law, then the situation will be able to change. Otherwise the situation will simply result in a dead end, and the number of serious mistakes will be multiplied. Along with this, it is necessary to make sure that international law have a universal character both in the conception and application of its norms.

And one must not forget that democratic political actions necessarily go along with discussion and a laborious decision-making process.

Dear ladies and gentlemen!

The potential danger of the destabilisation of international relations is connected with obvious stagnation in the disarmament issue.

Russia supports the renewal of dialogue on this important question.

It is important to conserve the international legal framework relating to weapons destruction and therefore ensure continuity in the process of reducing nuclear weapons.

Together with the United States of America we agreed to reduce our nuclear strategic missile capabilities to up to 1700-2000 nuclear warheads by 31 December 2012. Russia intends to strictly fulfil the obligations it has taken on. We hope that our partners will also act in a transparent way and will refrain from laying aside a couple of hundred superfluous nuclear warheads for a rainy day. And if today the new American Defence Minister declares that the United States will not hide these superfluous weapons in warehouse or, as one might say, under a pillow or under the blanket, then I suggest that we all rise and greet this declaration standing. It would be a very important declaration.

Russia strictly adheres to and intends to further adhere to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as well as the multilateral supervision regime for missile technologies. The principles incorporated in these documents are universal ones.

In connection with this I would like to recall that in the 1980s the USSR and the United States signed an agreement on destroying a whole range of small- and medium-range missiles but these documents do not have a universal character.

Today many other countries have these missiles, including the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, the Republic of Korea, India, Iran, Pakistan and Israel. Many countries are working on these systems and plan to incorporate them as part of their weapons arsenals. And only the United States and Russia bear the responsibility to not create such weapons systems.
It is obvious that in these conditions we must think about ensuring our own security.

At the same time, it is impossible to sanction the appearance of new, destabilising high-tech weapons. Needless to say it refers to measures to prevent a new area of confrontation, especially in outer space. Star wars is no longer a fantasy ¿ it is a reality. In the middle of the 1980s our American partners were already able to intercept their own satellite.

In Russia¿s opinion, the militarisation of outer space could have unpredictable consequences for the international community, and provoke nothing less than the beginning of a nuclear era. And we have come forward more than once with initiatives designed to prevent the use of weapons in outer space.

Today I would like to tell you that we have prepared a project for an agreement on the prevention of deploying weapons in outer space. And in the near future it will be sent to our partners as an official proposal. Let’s work on this together.

Plans to expand certain elements of the anti-missile defence system to Europe cannot help but disturb us. Who needs the next step of what would be, in this case, an inevitable arms race? I deeply doubt that Europeans themselves do.

Missile weapons with a range of about five to eight thousand kilometres that really pose a threat to Europe do not exist in any of the so-called problem countries. And in the near future and prospects, this will not happen and is not even foreseeable. And any hypothetical launch of, for example, a North Korean rocket to American territory through western Europe obviously contradicts the laws of ballistics. As we say in Russia, it would be like using the right hand to reach the left ear.

And here in Germany I cannot help but mention the pitiable condition of the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe.

The Adapted Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe was signed in 1999. It took into account a new geopolitical reality, namely the elimination of the Warsaw bloc. Seven years have passed and only four states have ratified this document, including the Russian Federation.
NATO countries openly declared that they will not ratify this treaty, including the provisions on flank restrictions (on deploying a certain number of armed forces in the flank zones), until Russia removed its military bases from Georgia and Moldova. Our army is leaving Georgia, even according to an accelerated schedule. We resolved the problems we had with our Georgian colleagues, as everybody knows. There are still 1,500 servicemen in Moldova that are carrying out peacekeeping operations and protecting warehouses with ammunition left over from Soviet times. We constantly discuss this issue with Mr Solana and he knows our position. We are ready to further work in this direction.

But what is happening at the same time? Simultaneously the so-called flexible frontline American bases with up to five thousand men in each. It turns out that NATO has put its frontline forces on our borders, and we continue to strictly fulfil the treaty obligations and do not react to these actions at all.

I think it is obvious that NATO expansion does not have any relation with the modernisation of the Alliance itself or with ensuring security in Europe. On the contrary, it represents a serious provocation that reduces the level of mutual trust. And we have the right to ask: against whom is this expansion intended? And what happened to the assurances our western partners made after the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact? Where are those declarations today? No one even remembers them. But I will allow myself to remind this audience what was said. I would like to quote the speech of NATO General Secretary Mr Woerner in Brussels on 17 May 1990. He said at the time that: “the fact that we are ready not to place a NATO army outside of German territory gives the Soviet Union a firm security guarantee”. Where are these guarantees?

The stones and concrete blocks of the Berlin Wall have long been distributed as souvenirs. But we should not forget that the fall of the Berlin Wall was possible thanks to a historic choice – one that was also made by our people, the people of Russia – a choice in favour of democracy, freedom, openness and a sincere partnership with all the members of the big European family.

And now they are trying to impose new dividing lines and walls on us ¿ these walls may be virtual but they are nevertheless dividing, ones that cut through our continent. And is it possible that we will once again require many years and decades, as well as several generations of politicians, to dissemble and dismantle these new walls?

Dear ladies and gentlemen!

We are unequivocally in favour of strengthening the regime of non-proliferation. The present international legal principles allow us to develop technologies to manufacture nuclear fuel for peaceful purposes. And many countries with all good reasons want to create their own nuclear energy as a basis for their energy independence. But we also understand that these technologies can be quickly transformed into nuclear weapons.

This creates serious international tensions. The situation surrounding the Iranian nuclear programme acts as a clear example. And if the international community does not find a reasonable solution for resolving this conflict of interests, the world will continue to suffer similar, destabilising crises because there are more threshold countries than simply Iran. We both know this. We are going to constantly fight against the threat of the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

Last year Russia put forward the initiative to establish international centres for the enrichment of uranium. We are open to the possibility that such centres not only be created in Russia, but also in other countries where there is a legitimate basis for using civil nuclear energy. Countries that want to develop their nuclear energy could guarantee that they will receive fuel through direct participation in these centres. And the centres would, of course, operate under strict IAEA supervision.

The latest initiatives put forward by American President George W. Bush are in conformity with the Russian proposals. I consider that Russia and the USA are objectively and equally interested in strengthening the regime of the non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and their deployment. It is precisely our countries, with leading nuclear and missile capabilities, that must act as leaders in developing new, stricter non-proliferation measures. Russia is ready for such work. We are engaged in consultations with our American friends.

In general, we should talk about establishing a whole system of political incentives and economic stimuli whereby it would not be in states¿ interests to establish their own capabilities in the nuclear fuel cycle but they would still have the opportunity to develop nuclear energy and strengthen their energy capabilities.

In connection with this I shall talk about international energy cooperation in more detail. Madam Federal Chancellor also spoke about this briefly – she mentioned, touched on this theme. In the energy sector Russia intends to create uniform market principles and transparent conditions for all. It is obvious that energy prices must be determined by the market instead of being the subject of political speculation, economic pressure or blackmail.
We are open to cooperation. Foreign companies participate in all our major energy projects. According to different estimates, up to 26 percent of the oil extraction in Russia – and please think about this figure – up to 26 percent of the oil extraction in Russia is done by foreign capital. Try, try to find me a similar example where Russian business participates extensively in key economic sectors in western countries. Such examples do not exist! There are no such examples.

I would also recall the parity of foreign investments in Russia and those Russia makes abroad. The parity is about fifteen to one. And here you have an obvious example of the openness and stability of the Russian economy.
Economic security is the sector in which all must adhere to uniform principles. We are ready to compete fairly.
For that reason more and more opportunities are appearing in the Russian economy. Experts and our western partners are objectively evaluating these changes. As such, Russia’s OECD sovereign credit rating improved and Russia passed from the fourth to the third group. And today in Munich I would like to use this occasion to thank our German colleagues for their help in the above decision.

Furthermore. As you know, the process of Russia joining the WTO has reached its final stages. I would point out that during long, difficult talks we heard words about freedom of speech, free trade, and equal possibilities more than once but, for some reason, exclusively in reference to the Russian market.

And there is still one more important theme that directly affects global security. Today many talk about the struggle against poverty. What is actually happening in this sphere? On the one hand, financial resources are allocated for programmes to help the world’s poorest countries – and at times substantial financial resources. But to be honest — and many here also know this – linked with the development of that same donor country’s companies. And on the other hand, developed countries simultaneously keep their agricultural subsidies and limit some countries’ access to high-tech products.

And let’s say things as they are – one hand distributes charitable help and the other hand not only preserves economic backwardness but also reaps the profits thereof. The increasing social tension in depressed regions inevitably results in the growth of radicalism, extremism, feeds terrorism and local conflicts. And if all this happens in, shall we say, a region such as the Middle East where there is increasingly the sense that the world at large is unfair, then there is the risk of global destabilisation.

It is obvious that the world’s leading countries should see this threat. And that they should therefore build a more democratic, fairer system of global economic relations, a system that would give everyone the chance and the possibility to develop.

Dear ladies and gentlemen, speaking at the Conference on Security Policy, it is impossible not to mention the activities of the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). As is well-known, this organisation was created to examine all – I shall emphasise this – all aspects of security: military, political, economic, humanitarian and, especially, the relations between these spheres.

What do we see happening today? We see that this balance is clearly destroyed. People are trying to transform the OSCE into a vulgar instrument designed to promote the foreign policy interests of one or a group of countries. And this task is also being accomplished by the OSCE’s bureaucratic apparatus which is absolutely not connected with the state founders in any way. Decision-making procedures and the involvement of so-called non-governmental organisations are tailored for this task. These organisations are formally independent but they are purposefully financed and therefore under control.

According to the founding documents, in the humanitarian sphere the OSCE is designed to assist country members in observing international human rights norms at their request. This is an important task. We support this. But this does not mean interfering in the internal affairs of other countries, and especially not imposing a regime that determines how these states should live and develop.

It is obvious that such interference does not promote the development of democratic states at all. On the contrary, it makes them dependent and, as a consequence, politically and economically unstable.

We expect that the OSCE be guided by its primary tasks and build relations with sovereign states based on respect, trust and transparency.

Dear ladies and gentlemen!

In conclusion I would like to note the following. We very often – and personally, I very often – hear appeals by our partners, including our European partners, to the effect that Russia should play an increasingly active role in world affairs.

In connection with this I would allow myself to make one small remark. It is hardly necessary to incite us to do so. Russia is a country with a history that spans more than a thousand years and has practically always used the privilege to carry out an independent foreign policy.

We are not going to change this tradition today. At the same time, we are well aware of how the world has changed and we have a realistic sense of our own opportunities and potential. And of course we would like to interact with responsible and independent partners with whom we could work together in constructing a fair and democratic world order that would ensure security and prosperity not only for a select few, but for all.

Thank you for your attention.

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Thursday, March 3, 2022 11:03 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Fuck Putin and anything he says or ever fucking said. The crimes-against-humanity war criminal sociopath has now put himself into the history books right next to Adolf Hitler. There are already reports of Russian soldiers raping Ukrainian women, and this is just the beginning of the atrocities they'll commit once they control the country. Forced labor, torture, starvation, and murder await the conquered innocents according to the demented historical Russian playbook.

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Thursday, March 3, 2022 12:36 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

This universal, indivisible character of security is expressed as the basic principle that “security for one is security for all”. As Franklin D. Roosevelt said during the first few days that the Second World War was breaking out: “When peace has been broken anywhere, the peace of all countries everywhere is in danger.

These words remain topical today. Incidentally, the theme of our conference — global crises, global responsibility — exemplifies this. . . .

Thank you for your attention.
Putin gets your attention with the basic principle that “security for one is security for all”.

Translation: Putin wants “full control” of Ukraine and he said those words today.

Vladimir Putin dialed up the president of France earlier today to let him know about Russia's plans for Ukraine:

Vladimir Putin has told Emmanuel Macron that Kyiv’s “refusal to accept Russia’s conditions” means “the worst is still to come” in Ukraine, saying Moscow was aiming to take “full control” by diplomatic or military means, according to the Elysée.

....Putin – who initiated the call – repeated that Moscow’s objective was the “neutralisation, demilitarisation and de-nazification” of Ukraine, the official said, adding that Macron had responded that Putin was making a “major mistake” that would cost Russia dearly over the long term.

"Full control." That's clear enough, isn't it, Signym?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/03/ukraine-war-refugee-exod
us-has-reached-a-million-says-un-as-russia-takes-over-kherson

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, March 3, 2022 1:02 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


This war could get very ugly, a long and bloody and insurgency, street by street, fighting from the trench from the abandoned half destroyed building, NATO and France and Germany and others gun running because they fear ist coming their way soon and an event with many years of blood that costs Russia and ties up their military many years. Seems Joe Biden is getting sleepy and Kamala Harris types now lead from behind, they in Europe and the US are still unsure how to keep buying gasoline and how not to turn off natural gas which will damage all economies of the world.


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Recent events shouldn't be a surprise, they are a natural outgrowth of the past.


You know they are banning RT and Pravda and other such news outlets these past days

I'm not saying they should all be censored and banned

However people should be aware of when they are reading propaganda


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Originally posted by second:


Vladimir Putin has told Emmanuel Macron


Honestly I will probably never vist Frogistan ever again, I'm glad I seen it before it died in a chaotic pit of islamic bombs, global homo multi culturalism, yellow vests protests and brutal economic collpase thans to Covid restruictions and Covid lockdowns, Macron's a faggot who has spent the past 5 years crushing the French people mercenary gendarmerie thugs

but Putin's something worse a Tyrant, who also crushes his own, he's an outright psycho bully murdering madman with smaller nations and starts mass murder and wars in other nations


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
The crimes-against-humanity war criminal sociopath has now put himself into the history books right next to Adolf Hitler.


I try to avoid breaking Godwin's Rule or Godwins Law but 20+ years is a long time to be in powers and he would rank up there

I would put Joe Stalin above 'Adolf' in terms of an insane murder madman and I might put moohammad the pedophile jihadi founder of islam somewhere between the two

Naming your kid after a terrorist pedophile is just as insane as calling your kid JoeStalin or AdolfHitler

Putin maybe there is some reason for him being there at the start of a post-Soviet Russian Federation, maybe they have no concept of democracy, they like their strong men and he gave Russians back their 'pride' after the fall of the USSR probably thinks he will go down in history as some great Emperor or Great Communist Supreme Leader in one of their Commie propaganda books or military lead or Tsar, he will probably rank next to the commie dictators the revolutionary madmen and tyrants like Sviatopolk the Accursed, Vladimir Lenin, Leonid Brezhnev, Empress Daria Saltykova, Konstantin Chernenko, Ivan the Terrible.

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Thursday, March 3, 2022 1:12 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Fuck Putin and anything he says or ever fucking said. The crimes-against-humanity war criminal sociopath has now put himself into the history books right next to Adolf Hitler. There are already reports of Russian soldiers raping Ukrainian women, and this is just the beginning of the atrocities they'll commit once they control the country. Forced labor, torture, starvation, and murder await the conquered innocents according to the demented historical Russian playbook.


JONGSSTRAW, Being the cynic that you are, I'm surprised to see you hyperventilate like that.

Hilter killed six million undesirables and 20-30 million Russians.

Hs Putin reached that target yet?

2-3 million were killed in the Vietnam War. We carpet-bombed Cambodia, used napalm and poured Agent Oange all over the landscape which led to birth defects, in an unprovoked war. All war crimes, as far as I can tell.

Has Putin done that either?

We gave Saddam Hussein the technology to make and use chemical weapons on Iranians.

We killed a half-million Iraqi children with our sanctions beginning in 1990 (Madeline Albright said it was "worth it") and killed - directly or indirectly- up to a million Iraqi civilians in our 2003 invasion. Destroyed civilian infrastructure willy-nilly. Used white phosphorous in "shake and bake" missions and left depleted uranium scattered across the landscape. War crimes too, if I understand correctly.

Destroyed Yugoslavia under false pretext.

Bombed Afghanistan further back into the stone age.

Funded and armed "contra" death squads who roamed Nicaragua killing union leaders and reformers, funded and armed jihadists across the Middle East and N Africa (MENA).

Dstroyed Libya, also under false pretexts.

War crime after war crime. I can list many more.

Where are Putin's equivalent "crimes"? If Russia should be investigated, the USA should be investigated 10X over.

Please dial down the emotion, compare facts and figures, and engage perspective.

Not forgivig an war crime that Putin might or might not commit. Not forgiving or forgetting OURS, either.


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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


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Thursday, March 3, 2022 1:32 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

This universal, indivisible character of security is expressed as the basic principle that “security for one is security for all”. As Franklin D. Roosevelt said during the first few days that the Second World War was breaking out: “When peace has been broken anywhere, the peace of all countries everywhere is in danger.

These words remain topical today. Incidentally, the theme of our conference — global crises, global responsibility — exemplifies this. . . .

Thank you for your attention.
Putin gets your attention with the basic principle that “security for one is security for all”.

Translation: Putin wants “full control” of Ukraine and he said those words today.

Vladimir Putin dialed up the president of France earlier today to let him know about Russia's plans for Ukraine:

Vladimir Putin has told Emmanuel Macron that Kyiv’s “refusal to accept Russia’s conditions” means “the worst is still to come” in Ukraine, saying Moscow was aiming to take “full control” by diplomatic or military means, according to the Elysée.

....Putin – who initiated the call – repeated that Moscow’s objective was the “neutralisation, demilitarisation and de-nazification” of Ukraine, the official said, adding that Macron had responded that Putin was making a “major mistake” that would cost Russia dearly over the long term.

"Full control." That's clear enough, isn't it, Signym?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/03/ukraine-war-refugee-exod
us-has-reached-a-million-says-un-as-russia-takes-over-kherson

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


IF Ukraine had been pushed to implement the Minsk Agreement instead of sabotage it, we would not be where we are today. But the IMF (please see my "Fight or die" thread, IMF's message to Ukraine) the USA and the EU have been relentlessly pushing Ukraine to kill its civilians in the east instead of negotiate, and Kiev has so far managed to kill somewhere between 3,000-10,000 civilians thru indiscrimate shelling of farms, villages and civilian infrastructure.

Why isn't anyone complaining about that? (Not that I would accuse anyone here of double standards /wink).

NATO's relentless push to the east, with the stated intention of breaking up Russia (You yourself advocated breaking up Russia, SECOND) ... is that not aggression? Placement of missile bases within minutes of Moscow? Dropping out of almost every treaty that we signed with Russia/Soviet Union?

I think that nobody took Putin seriously when he said it was an existential threat to Russia. Or they figured that he couldn't, or wouldn't, do anything about it. They figured wrong.

Well, Russia takes Russia's security seriously, even if the west didn't. So now we have to take the situation seriously.

Russia has completely broken with the west- economically, militarily, financially, culturally, politically. They no longer give a crap what we say, how we feel, what we think, or even what we do to them.

They understand that we are "not agreement capable". Anything promise we make, any treaty we sign, any international law or war crime definition, we ignore if they don't suit our purpose.

They tried to be our friend, or at least a reliable partner. We made an enemy out of a nation that would have been our friend, had we only given them security guarantees. Now, we have to deal with a military superpower enemy.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


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Thursday, March 3, 2022 1:53 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

IF Ukraine had been pushed to implement the Minsk Agreement instead of sabotage it, we would not be where we are today.
Signym, the first sentence you wrote is false. What's true is Russia insisted that it is not a party to the conflict and therefore is not bound by the terms of the Minsk Agreement.

Signym, please stop writing forever if you're gonna lie so egregiously.

What is the Minsk agreement?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/9/what-is-the-minsk-agreement-an
d-why-is-it-relevant-now

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Thursday, March 3, 2022 1:59 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
This war could get very ugly, a long and bloody and insurgency, street by street, fighting from the trench from the abandoned half destroyed building, NATO and France and Germany and others gun running because they fear ist coming their way soon and an event with many years of blood that costs Russia and ties up their military many years. Seems Joe Biden is getting sleepy and Kamala Harris types now lead from behind, they in Europe and the US are still unsure how to keep buying gasoline and how not to turn off natural gas which will damage all economies of the world.

SIGNYM:
Recent events shouldn't be a surprise, they are a natural outgrowth of the past.

JAYNZE: You know they are banning RT and Pravda and other such news outlets these past days
I'm not saying they should all be censored and banned
However people should be aware of when they are reading propaganda
The transcript was from WaPo, not RT. The speech is historic fact.

AFA "propaganda" ... please read JONGSSTRAW's post: "Reports" ( from who?? ) of soldiers raping women.

Yeah, I've seen "reports" like that before, and they were propaganda.

"Assad gassed his own people".
"Gaddafi gave his troops boner pills to rape prisoners".
"Babies torn from incubators and left to die on the cold tile floor"
"East, west, north, south somewhat of Baghdad"
"Yellowcake"
"Noriega was a major drug runner"
"Trump colluded with Russia"
"Jan 6 was an insurrection"

WE have no problem lying bald-faced and OFTEN, therefore I believe NOTHING that comes from our press. As for Russia - they are saying very little. Informational void. Hard to believe - or disbelieve- a news vacuum.


"In war, the first casualty is truth"- on both sides.


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SECOND:
Vladimir Putin has told Emmanuel Macron

Honestly I will probably never vist Forgistan ever again, I'm glad I seen it before it died in a chaotic pit of islamic bombs, global homo multi culturalism, yellow vests protests and brutal economic collpase thans to Covid restruictions and Covid lockdowns, Macron's a faggot who has spent the past 5 years crushing the French people mercenary gendarmerie thugs
LINKS? Also, you typoed "Frogistan" so I think you just made it up

Quote:
... but Putin's something worse a Tyrant, who also crushes his own, he's an outright psycho bully murdering madman with smaller nations and starts mass murder and wars in other nations
I thnk we can say that description belongs to Clinton, GWB, and Obama.


Quote:
Jongsstraw:
The crimes-against-humanity war criminal sociopath has now put himself into the history books right next to Adolf Hitler.

JAYNZE: I try to avoid breaking Godwin's Rule or Godwins Law but 20+ years is a long time to be in powers and he would rank up there

I would put Joe Stalin above 'Adolf' in terms of an insane murder madman and I might put moohammad the pedophile jihadi founder of islam somewhere between the two

Naming your kid after a terrorist pedophile is just as insane as calling your kid JoeStalin or AdolfHitler

Putin maybe there is some reason for him being there at the start of a post-Soviet Russian Federation, maybe they have no concept of democracy, they like their strong men and he gave Russians back their 'pride'
Also, he took an economy being consumed by western speculators, in which the average male lifespan dropped to 54 years, oligarchs and gangsta culture flourished, and GDP dropped by 30% - the Russian experience with "the Chicago school of western free market capitalism"- and revived it. I'm sure that experience with rapacious capitalism left a sour taste in many Russian's mouths, and the increased living standard earned Putin a lot of brownie points with the people.

Quote:
...after the fall of the USSR probably thinks he will go down in history as some great Emperor or Great Communist Supreme Leader in one of their Commie propaganda books or military lead or Tsar, he will probably rank next to the commie dictators the revolutionary madmen and tyrants like Sviatopolk the Accursed, Vladimir Lenin, Leonid Brezhnev, Empress Daria Saltykova, Konstantin Chernenko, Ivan the Terrible.


Not sure how he will go down in history. It depends on who writes it, no?

Are you sure you know how the USA will look, 20 years from now?

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Thursday, March 3, 2022 2:10 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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SECOND: Signym, the first sentence you wrote is false. What's true is Russia insisted that it is not a party to the conflict and therefore is not bound by the terms of the Minsk Agreement.
The Minsk Agreement has been discussed and dissected ad nauseum. It was signed by Ukraine, which therefore agreed with its provisions, and endorsed by the Security Council - including the USA- making it an intnerational agreement.

There are NO PROVISIONS for Russia to fulfill, except at the very end, after the rupture in Ukraine has been healed, when Russia turns Ukraine/Russia border control back to Kiev.

Since Russia is not obliged to do anything to fix Kiev's problem with its eastern republics ... not required to negotiate with anyone, change its constitution, implement a cease fire, monitor the line of contact, withdraw troops and weapons, etc... and Ukraine agreed to it... Ukraine and the entire UN Security Council have, in fact, agreed that Russia is not party to the conflict.

From your link

Quote:
Ukraine sees the 2015 agreement as an instrument to re-establish control over the rebel territories.

It wants a ceasefire, control of the Russia-Ukraine border, elections in the Donbas, and a limited devolution of power to the separatists – in that order.
But that is not the order that Ukraine agreed to. They were written in specific order with timelines and dates attached. Ukraineis attempting to renegotiate what it had agreed to,.

"Not agreement capable", from the USA playbook. You repeating the same disinfo over and over does not make it true.


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Thursday, March 3, 2022 2:29 PM

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SIG has to go back 15 years to find something she HOPES makes Putin look less than evil. More like, "the text is so long I know no one will read it or check out the veracity of any of the statements or consequences." Total Russian misdirection kind of thinking - so cut-n-paste lazy.

"In Putin's own words..." He lies like a dog, why would anyone believe his own words???

"Ukraine is full of Nazi drug addicts." - Putin. Guy's a fcking loon with nukes - you should be terrified.

Whatever he did in the past "for his people" he has totally overwritten. You can't possibly think "Minsk escuses this!" You can't possibly think the rest of the world is wrong and you are right?


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Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Fuck Putin and anything he says or ever fucking said. The crimes-against-humanity war criminal sociopath has now put himself into the history books right next to Adolf Hitler. There are already reports of Russian soldiers raping Ukrainian women, and this is just the beginning of the atrocities they'll commit once they control the country. Forced labor, torture, starvation, and murder await the conquered innocents according to the demented historical Russian playbook.


Damn straight.

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Thursday, March 3, 2022 3:07 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Thanks for your ignorant bloviation, CAPNCRUNCH. In a couple of months, the psyop will shift focus and you will memory-hole your mendacious cheerleading, and everyone will forget they've been duped and move on to eating the next batch of turds.

That's what happens when you forget that history exists, and believe that memories are meant to be forgotten.


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Thursday, March 3, 2022 3:12 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Thanks for your ignorant bloviation, CAPNCRUNCH. In a couple of months, the psyop will shift focus and you will memory-hole your mendacious cheerleading, and everyone will forget they've been duped and move on to the eating the next batch of turds.

That's what happens when you forget that history exists, and believe that memories are meant to be forgotten.


*cough* Covid *cough*

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Thursday, March 3, 2022 3:13 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Thanks for your ignorant bloviation, CAPNCRUNCH. In a couple of months, the psyop will shift focus and you will memory-hole your mendacious cheerleading, and everyone will forget they've been duped and move on to the eating the next batch of turds.

That's what happens when you forget that history exists, and believe that memories are meant to be forgotten.


*cough* Covid *cough*

--------------------------------------------------

Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"


Indeed.

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Thursday, March 3, 2022 3:27 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Fuck Putin and anything he says or ever fucking said. The crimes-against-humanity war criminal sociopath has now put himself into the history books right next to Adolf Hitler. There are already reports of Russian soldiers raping Ukrainian women, and this is just the beginning of the atrocities they'll commit once they control the country. Forced labor, torture, starvation, and murder await the conquered innocents according to the demented historical Russian playbook.


Damn straight.



A blind man can see what Putin wants he cannot attain. Even if he manages to have successes he could never hold Ukraine long term. It cost money to occupy a country. Especially such a large country.

Even a blind man can see there has already been an exodus of business out of Russia and the world has vowed not to lift sanctions. They won’t recover financially for decades. When all is said and done it will take decades to replace the army and gear that has already been and yet to be, broken. Even a blind man can see that the bond once shared by Russia and Ukraine is not only gone, but has been replaced by hate. A hate that may never heal.

Two of Russia’s oligarch have had 100 million dollar yachts confiscated. Others have managed to get theirs into safe harbors, but I guess they don’t realize they are permanently docked. They are never going to move again. The FBI has been delegated to find and seize all their properties; their fucked. And it's not just the world going after their money, Putin is going to need it. Not only to finance his war but the country at large.

If Russia packed up and went home tomorrow, it would still take forever for Russia to recover.



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Thursday, March 3, 2022 3:29 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Thanks for your ignorant bloviation, CAPNCRUNCH. In a couple of months, the psyop will shift focus and you will memory-hole your mendacious cheerleading, and everyone will forget they've been duped and move on to the eating the next batch of turds.

That's what happens when you forget that history exists, and believe that memories are meant to be forgotten.


*cough* Covid *cough*

--------------------------------------------------

Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"


Indeed.


I should probably make it clear that I was being sarcastic and that those coughs were not actually Covid related.

Yanno... Little boy Ted gets so easily confused.



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Thursday, March 3, 2022 3:51 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
Jongsstraw: Fuck Putin and anything he says or ever fucking said. The crimes-against-humanity war criminal sociopath has now put himself into the history books right next to Adolf Hitler. There are already reports of Russian soldiers raping Ukrainian women, and this is just the beginning of the atrocities they'll commit once they control the country. Forced labor, torture, starvation, and murder await the conquered innocents according to the demented historical Russian playbook.

CAPNCRUNCH: Damn straight.

THUGR: A blind man can see what Putin wants he cannot attain. Even if he manages to have successes he could never hold Ukraine long term. It cost money to occupy a country. Especially such a large country.

Even a blind man can see there has already been an exodus of business out of Russia and the world has vowed not to lift sanctions. They won’t recover financially for decades. When all is said and done it will take decades to replace the army and gear that has already been and yet to be, broken. Even a blind man can see that the bond once shared by Russia and Ukraine is not only gone, but has been replaced by hate. A hate that may never heal.

Two of Russia’s oligarch have had 100 million dollar yachts confiscated. Others have managed to get theirs into safe harbors, but I guess they don’t realize they are permanently docked. There’re never going to move again. The FBI has been delegated to find and seize all their properties; their fucked. And it's not just the world going after their money, Putin is going to need it/ Not only to finance his war but the country at large.

If Russia packed up and went home tomorrow, it would still take forever for Russia to recover. We should put this into the "predictions" thread and revisit this from time to time.


Like a lot of THUGR'S prediction it's open-ended. He'll just keep tick-tocking until he tries to memory-hole his bogus predictions.

Let's put a one-year time limit on it.

Will you admit you were wrong if this prediction- like so many others of yours- fails? Or will you just memory-hole this, too?



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Thursday, March 3, 2022 3:54 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


What I should have posted was ...."memories are meant to be erased"

A lot of people today are busy erasing their memories. They're no better than goldfish.

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Thursday, March 3, 2022 4:20 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What I should have posted was ...."memories are meant to be erased"

A lot of people today are busy erasing their memories. They're no better than goldfish.
Putin is the goldfish. Fiona Hill has a long memory. She said we are already in the middle of a third World War, whether we’ve fully grasped it or not.

“Sadly, we are treading back through old historical patterns that we said that we would never permit to happen again,” Hill said.

“Ukraine has become the front line in a struggle, not just between democracies and autocracies but in a struggle for maintaining a rules-based system in which the things that countries want are not taken by force,” Hill said. “Every country in the world should be paying close attention to this.”

Putin is increasingly operating emotionally and likely to use all the weapons at his disposal, including nuclear ones.

“Every time you think, ’No, he wouldn’t, would he?’ Well, yes, he would,” Hill said. “And he wants us to know that, of course. It’s not that we should be intimidated and scared…. We have to prepare for those contingencies and figure out what is it that we’re going to do to head them off.”

More at https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/28/world-war-iii-alread
y-there-00012340

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Thursday, March 3, 2022 4:31 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
She said we are already in the middle of a third World War, whether we’ve fully grasped it or not.


We started it in 2014.

Dummies like you just heard about it two weeks ago.

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Thursday, March 3, 2022 4:42 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
She said we are already in the middle of a third World War, whether we’ve fully grasped it or not.


We started it in 2014.

Dummies like you just heard about it two weeks ago.
Don't go there, 6ix. This is serious:

Maura Reynolds: You’ve been a Putin watcher for a long time, and you’ve written one of the best biographies of Putin. When you’ve been watching him over the past week, what have you been seeing that other people might be missing?

Fiona Hill: Putin is usually more cynical and calculated than he came across in his most recent speeches. There’s evident visceral emotion in things that he said in the past few weeks justifying the war in Ukraine. The pretext is completely flimsy and almost nonsensical for anybody who’s not in the echo chamber or the bubble of propaganda in Russia itself. I mean, demanding to the Ukrainian military that they essentially overthrow their own government or lay down their arms and surrender because they are being commanded by a bunch of drug-addled Nazi fascists? There’s just no sense to that. It beggars the imagination.

Putin doesn’t even seem like he’s trying to make a convincing case. We saw the same thing in the Russian response at the United Nations. The justification has essentially been “what-about-ism”: ‘You guys have been invading Iraq, Afghanistan. Don’t tell me that I can’t do the same thing in Ukraine.”

This visceral emotion is unhealthy and extraordinarily dangerous because there are few checks and balances around Putin. He spotlighted this during the performance of the National Security Council meeting, where it became very clear that this was his decision. He was in a way taking full responsibility for war, and even the heads of his security and intelligence services looked like they’ve been thrown off guard by how fast things were moving.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/28/world-war-iii-alread
y-there-00012340

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, March 3, 2022 5:10 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh, quoting Fiona Hill, the star attraction if the Trump "quid pro quo" impeachment farce, making up eloquent shit about nothing at all?

Yeah, like I should believe HER?

Or YOU?

You see, unlike you, I do remember what you've posted.

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Thursday, March 3, 2022 5:43 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Oh, quoting Fiona Hill, the star attraction if the Trump "quid pro quo" impeachment farce, making up eloquent shit about nothing at all?

Yeah, like I should believe HER?

Or YOU?

You see, unlike you, I do remember what you've posted.
Fiona Hill has experience you do not have, Signym, and she has no reasons to lie and she does not hide behind a pseudonym such as Signym. She has real knowledge.

Download Fiona Hill’s books for free at https://libgen.unblockit.cam/search.php?req=Fiona+Hill

The Siberian curse: How Communist Planners left Russia Out in the Cold

Mr. Putin: Operative in the Kremlin

There Is Nothing for You Here: Finding Opportunity in the Twenty-First Century

"He's Not The Superman We Think Of" - Fiona Hill On Vladimir Putin



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Thursday, March 3, 2022 6:40 PM

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A man in Moscow buys a newspaper, glances at the front page, and throws it away. He does the same thing every day. Eventually, the seller snaps. "Why DO you do that?"
"I'm just checking for an obituary"
"But obituaries aren't on the front page!"
"The one I'm looking for will be."

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, March 3, 2022 6:51 PM

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TV Rain, the youthful independent television station that calls itself “the optimistic channel” said it would suspend operations indefinitely. Precipitating the outlet’s demise were plans by the Russian Parliament to take up legislation on Friday that would make news considered “fake” about Russia’s war in Ukraine punishable by yearslong prison terms. The Russian authorities have already made it clear that the very act of calling it a “war” — the Kremlin prefers the term “special military operation” — is considered disinformation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/03/world/europe/russia-ukraine-propaga
nda-censorship.html

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Thursday, March 3, 2022 8:10 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


She has every reason to lie.

Just like you.

Bored now.

You're stupid, and you lie.

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Thursday, March 3, 2022 10:07 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Thanks for your ignorant bloviation, CAPNCRUNCH. In a couple of months, the psyop will shift focus and you will memory-hole your mendacious cheerleading, and everyone will forget they've been duped and move on to eating the next batch of turds.
That's what happens when you forget that history exists, and believe that memories are meant to be forgotten.


My memory is fine. You are the same lying Putin loyalist you were in 2012.

Question: How far do you plan on following Putin? Up to the first nuke or after?

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Friday, March 4, 2022 2:10 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Thanks for your ignorant bloviation, CAPNCRUNCH. In a couple of months, the psyop will shift focus and you will memory-hole your mendacious cheerleading, and everyone will forget they've been duped and move on to eating the next batch of turds.
That's what happens when you forget that history exists, and believe that memories are meant to be forgotten.


My memory is fine. You are the same lying Putin loyalist you were in 2012.

Question: How far do you plan on following Putin? Up to the first nuke or after?
How long are you going to be Biden's* cockholster? Can you REALY fit all of them in there?

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Quote:
Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Thanks for your ignorant bloviation, CAPNCRUNCH. In a couple of months, the psyop will shift focus and you will memory-hole your mendacious cheerleading, and everyone will forget they've been duped and move on to eating the next batch of turds.
That's what happens when you forget that history exists, and believe that memories are meant to be forgotten.


My memory is fine. You are the same lying Putin loyalist you were in 2012.

Question: How far do you plan on following Putin? Up to the first nuke or after?



Poor Signym G. Aside from trying to sell the wonders of Russia all these years she has also been desperate to be seen as an intellectual. She has failed miserably on both counts.

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Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Fuck Putin and anything he says or ever fucking said. The crimes-against-humanity war criminal sociopath has now put himself into the history books right next to Adolf Hitler. There are already reports of Russian soldiers raping Ukrainian women, and this is just the beginning of the atrocities they'll commit once they control the country. Forced labor, torture, starvation, and murder await the conquered innocents according to the demented historical Russian playbook.


Damn straight.



T




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Friday, March 4, 2022 6:35 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM: How long are you going to be Biden's* cockholster? Can you REALY fit all of them in there?


Biden has more than one cock? WTF?

Haven't said a single nice word about Biden or Pelosi or AOC or any DEM in the last 5 years, so weak smear from you as always. You're brain is mush.

How far do you plan on making cover for Putin? Up to the first nuke or after?




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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
She has every reason to lie.

Just like you.

Bored now.

You're stupid, and you lie.
Fiona Hill read Putin's "On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians"

Putin's recent essay, "On the historical unity of Russians and Ukrainians," which was published on the Kremlin's website in Russian, English and Ukrainian, elaborates on his frequently stated assertion that Ukrainians and Russians are "one people." Putin posits that Ukraine can only be sovereign in partnership with Russia.

Putin has articulated an idea of there being a “Russky Mir” or a “Russian World.” The recent essay he published about Ukraine and Russia states the Ukrainian and Russian people are “one people,” a “yedinyi narod.” He’s saying Ukrainians and Russians are one and the same. This idea of a Russian World means re-gathering all the Russian-speakers in different places that belonged at some point to the Russian tsardom.

Putin’s been down in the archives of the Kremlin during Covid looking through old maps and treaties and all the different borders that Russia has had over the centuries. He’s said, repeatedly, that Russian and European borders have changed many times.

Putin is reestablishing Russian dominance of what Russia sees as the Russian “Imperium.” The lands of the Soviet Union didn’t cover all of the territories that were once part of the Russian Empire. Parts of the Empire are now parts of the European Union.

What Putin is saying now is that Ukraine doesn’t belong to Ukrainians. It belongs to him and the past. He is going to wipe Ukraine off the map, literally, because it doesn’t belong on his map of the “Russian world.” He’s basically told us that.

https://huri.harvard.edu/news/putin-historical-unity

For some reason, the Kremlin's website is down: http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181

But there are copies of the website:
https://web.archive.org/web/20220201003310/http://en.kremlin.ru/events
/president/news/66181

Signym, it is worth reading to learn what Putin's goals are.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, March 4, 2022 8:09 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
SIGNYM: How long are you going to be Biden's* cockholster? Can you REALLY fit all of them in there?

CAPONMUSH: Biden has more than one cock? WTF?


We all ... even the DNC, even you ... know that Biden the person is no longer a functioning entity. He's just a meat puppet (and not good one. Can't even keep Iran and Ukraine straight.) for the factions pulling his strings. So, seriously, you're gonna need a lot of room in there for all of those people, bud!


Quote:
CAPONMUSH: Haven't said a single nice word about Biden or Pelosi or AOC or any DEM in the last 5 years, so weak smear from you as always. You're brain is mush.
Of course not: There's nothing positive to say. Even the DNC knows that's not a winning tactic. They're going to swing to the center (Fund the Police!) and attack their perceived rivals.

You're the paid attack dog.

Does money lubricate better than Vaseline?



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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


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Friday, March 4, 2022 8:32 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

We all ... even the DNC, even you ... know that Biden the person is no longer a functioning entity. He's just a meat puppet (and not good one. Can't even keep Iran and Ukraine straight.) for the factions pulling his strings. So, seriously, you're gonna need a lot of room in there for all of those people, bud!
Putin is cracking up, on TV, under the pressure of invading Ukraine.
Strange moment in new Putin speech
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/cnn-reporter-identifies-strange-m
oment-in-new-putin-speech/vi-AAUzj7M

Putin had a brainstorm on TV to give out bribes: $65,000 to families of dead soldiers, $40,000 to wounded soldiers, posthumous medals for everybody! You probably don't realize it, but it very odd to make such a huge change in policy with no prior notice. Putin is panicking and is giving away cash to buy support for the war that is only a week old and (according to Putin) going as planned.

Putin promises 'additional payments' of 5 million rubles to Russian soldiers who die in Ukraine – plus money to 'compensate for any injuries' and cash for families. Said those who had to leave military service due to injury would get 2.9 million rubles as 'insurance payouts, plus compensation for any injuries'
Then he dangled additional 3 million ruble payouts to 'staff of the minister of Defense and any injured personnel'.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10575393/Putin-promises-addit
ional-payments-5m-rubles-Russian-soldiers-die-invasion.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, March 4, 2022 9:16 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Does money lubricate better than Vaseline?


You tell me.

How far do you plan on making cover for Putin? Up to the first nuke or after?

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Friday, March 4, 2022 9:20 AM

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Did you ever see the movie Aliens (1986)? A Russian soldier reenacted a scene from that movie when surrounded. Putin gave a medal for heroism to the soldier who killed himself.

The families of the Russian military who died in Ukraine will be paid 7.421 million rubles, Russian President Vladimir Putin promised. He stressed that “Russian soldiers and officers act courageously, like real heroes.” The President awarded officer Nurmagomed Gadzhimagomedov the title of Hero of Russia posthumously. As reported, a serviceman blew himself up with a grenade surrounded by soldiers of the Ukrainian army.

https://hindustannewshub.com/russia-ukraine-news/putin-families-of-rus
sian-soldiers-who-died-in-ukraine-will-be-paid-more-than-7-million-rubles-the-moscow-times/

In this scene, the Ukrainians are the Aliens and the Russians are the Space Marines. The Russians blew themselves up with a grenade.

The script reads: "You always were an asshole, Gorman."
But better would be: "You always were an asshole, PUTIN."



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Friday, March 4, 2022 9:20 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:
Originally posted by second:

Putin had a brainstorm on TV to give out bribes: $65,000 to families of dead soldiers, $40,000 to wounded soldiers, posthumous medals for everybody! You probably don't realize it, but it very odd to make such a huge change in policy with no prior notice. Putin is panicking and is giving away cash to buy support for the war that is only a week old and (according to Putin) going as planned.

Putin promises 'additional payments' of 5 million rubles to Russian soldiers who die in Ukraine – plus money to 'compensate for any injuries' and cash for families. Said those who had to leave military service due to injury would get 2.9 million rubles as 'insurance payouts, plus compensation for any injuries'
Then he dangled additional 3 million ruble payouts to 'staff of the minister of Defense and any injured personnel'.


Putin is giving away rubles.

"Here, young widow, have some mud." - Putin.

Question: Is Putin doing more damage to Ukraine or Russia?

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Friday, March 4, 2022 9:58 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Does money lubricate better than Vaseline?


You tell me.

How far do you plan on making cover for Putin? Up to the first nuke or after?
Neither.

But I ntoiced you've never denied being a DNC stooge.

So I wonder about you, Joe*, and nukes.



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Old News, but relevant to today's Putin: Aug 25, 2015, 05:02pm EDT

Russia May Have Inadvertently Posted Its Casualties In Ukraine: 2,000 Deaths, 3,200 Disabled

Russian president Vladimir Putin has decreed that all Russian casualties “in peacetime” be a state secret. In addition to criminal charges arising from divulging state secrets, families risk losing pensions and lump-sum payments if they reveal that their sons were killed in Ukraine. Mothers of soldiers’ associations have been branded “foreign agents” for collecting data on Russian casualties. Dissident Boris Nemtsov was murdered shortly before completing his study of Russian casualties in Ukraine. Russian civil rights organizations, working against the fog of official resistance, could confirm only several hundred battlefield deaths.

The Delovaya zhizn inadvertent (or deliberate?) revelation of more than two thousand combat deaths in east Ukraine, if authentic, not only destroys the Putin myth of a small number of deaths of Russian patriots defending Russians in Ukraine from neo-Nazi extremists but also demolishes Putin’s cover story that no “active” member of the Russian armed forces is or has been in Ukraine. According to Putin, if there are Russian fighters in Ukraine, they had resigned and gone as volunteers. Note that contract fighters are paid for each day in the combat zone. In Russian military jargon, a contract soldier (kontraktnik) contracts to serve a specific period of time in the military (usually three years) in return for compensation and other benefits. The clause on payment for contract soldiers blows a huge hole through the cover story.

The Russian censors have removed the incriminating information. The Kremlin claims that the webcached material is a forgery. The figures, however, make sense and align with what should be obvious to all: Russian troops are in east Ukraine and are being supplied with heavy weapons by Russia. Deadly battles–such as those at Donetsk Airport and Debaltseve–have resulted in heavy casualties on each side. We also know how the Russian dead are secretly transported back to Russia for furtive burials.

Despite this mass of evidence, only one-quarter of Russians believe that Russia has troops in Ukraine. Will the alleged presence of 3,200 war invalids and more than 2,000 grieving families erode the belief that Russia is not conducting a war with its own troops against Ukraine? It seems that time and events will raise the number of Russians who believe the truth.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2015/08/25/kremlin-ce
nsors-rush-to-erase-inadvertent-release-of-russian-casualties-in-east-ukraine/?sh=1d3b2ab09c58

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Friday, March 4, 2022 10:40 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Did you ever see the movie Aliens (1986)?


Fun Fact: Latino Pvt Vasquez also played John Connors very white looking Foster Mom in Terminator 2. She's a Jewish woman with no Hispanic blood who's family hailed from *drum roll please*............. Russia.



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Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

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Friday, March 4, 2022 10:41 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Is Fiona Hill a dude. Fiona Hill looks like a dude in that screencap.

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Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

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The Russian parliament voted unanimously Friday for a law criminalizing distribution of “fake news” about the Russian military with up to 15 years in prison. Calling for people to attend anti-war protests in Russia will now carry a penalty of up to 5 years in prison.

Repression in Russia accelerating rapidly…

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/russian-lawmakers-approve-prison-fo
r-what-they-deem-to-be-fake-war-reports

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President Zelensky has survived at least three assassination attempts in the past week, The Times has learnt.

If the attempt was successful, Russian President Vladimir Putin would have been able to deny any involvement.  “They would be going in there with a very high-profile mission, something that the Russians would want to be deniable — a decapitation of a head of state is a huge mission,” a source told the Times.

Two different outfits have been sent to kill the Ukrainian president — mercenaries of the Kremlin-backed Wagner group and Chechen special forces. Both have been thwarted by anti-war elements within Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB).

Wagner mercenaries in Kyiv have sustained losses during their attempts and are said to have been alarmed by how accurately the Ukrainians had anticipated their moves. A source close to the group said it was “eerie” how well briefed Zelensky’s security team appeared to be.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10576255/Ukraine-President-Vo
lodymyr-Zelensky-survives-three-assassination-attempts-past-week.html

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Friday, March 4, 2022 3:28 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But I ntoiced you've never denied being a DNC stooge. So I wonder about you, Joe*, and nukes.

Hey - you're not stalling are you? That's right out of old Kookie's playbook.
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
How far do you plan on making cover for Putin? Up to the first nuke or after?

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Neither.


Huh? Has to one or the other. Please explain.




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Friday, March 4, 2022 3:54 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But I ntoiced you've never denied being a DNC stooge. So I wonder about you, Joe*, and nukes.

Hey - you're not stalling are you? That's right out of old Kookie's playbook.
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
How far do you plan on making cover for Putin? Up to the first nuke or after?

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Neither.


Huh? Has to one or the other. Please explain.



When did you stop beating your boyfriend?

You STILL haven't denied being a paid DNC/Dem stooge?

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Friday, March 4, 2022 5:22 PM

THG


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But I ntoiced you've never denied being a DNC stooge. So I wonder about you, Joe*, and nukes.

Hey - you're not stalling are you? That's right out of old Kookie's playbook.
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
How far do you plan on making cover for Putin? Up to the first nuke or after?

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Neither.


Huh? Has to one or the other. Please explain.



When did you stop beating your boyfriend?

You STILL haven't denied being a paid DNC/Dem stooge?



Hey comrade signym I have a question. Is this video just western propaganda?

T









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Friday, March 4, 2022 6:20 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
SIGNYM:
But I ntoiced you've never denied being a DNC stooge. So I wonder about you, Joe*, and nukes.

CAPONCRUNCH: Hey - you're not stalling are you? That's right out of old Kookie's playbook.:
How far do you plan on making cover for Putin? Up to the first nuke or after?

SIGNYM:
Neither.


CAPONCRUNCH: Huh? Has to [be] one or the other. Please explain.

SIGNY: When did you stop beating your boyfriend?
You STILL haven't denied being a paid DNC/Dem stooge?


THUGR: Hey comrade signym I have a question. Is this video just western propaganda?
youtube.com/ watch?
v=MxsAOoTwBMw


Without watching the video, I would say "yes".

I doubt anyone from the west has sat in even once on Russian Security Council deliberations. Nobody I know of... even relatively unbiased western sources... has the faintest clue as to what Russian plans for Ukraine REALLY are, except what has been stated publicly: neutralization and "de-Nazification".

Since Russia has publicly committed to these goals, let's assume those are the goals. How they intend to get there is anyone's guess. MY guess is they will apy the same tactics and strategies applied in Syria fighting jihadist terrorists: humanitarian corridors, and negotiating enemy retreat to concentrated areas (Idlib in Syria, maybe Galicia in Ukraine.) But that's just a guess. I make no claim to knowing Russia's plans, and unless someone is in their Security Council nobody else should either, bc it's all speculation and bullshit.


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Friday, March 4, 2022 6:50 PM

THG


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
SIGNYM:
But I ntoiced you've never denied being a DNC stooge. So I wonder about you, Joe*, and nukes.

CAPONCRUNCH: Hey - you're not stalling are you? That's right out of old Kookie's playbook.:
How far do you plan on making cover for Putin? Up to the first nuke or after?

SIGNYM:
Neither.


CAPONCRUNCH: Huh? Has to [be] one or the other. Please explain.

SIGNY: When did you stop beating your boyfriend?
You STILL haven't denied being a paid DNC/Dem stooge?


THUGR: Hey comrade signym I have a question. Is this video just western propaganda?
youtube.com/ watch?
v=MxsAOoTwBMw


Without watching the video, I would say "yes".




Because you're desperate you say "yes" without watching the video. Well comrade you're wrong. The answer is "no" he's made a complete mess of it. Your hero is a killer who is doing more to destroy Russia then the west has ever done.

T


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Friday, March 4, 2022 7:19 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


two crazies

Biden Joe the sleepy now slammed for saying ‘Iranian people’ in State of the Union speech on Ukraine

Madman Putins actions have seen fire at the Nuclear reactor

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