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Saturday, June 10, 2023 11:46 AM

A Destructive Trump Indictment
Do prosecutors understand the forces they are unleashing?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-indictment-classified-docume
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You're just making Trump stronger and waking up more of the sleeping public that is now seeing how certain individuals have privileges that everybody else does not.

If it weren't for Double Standards, Democrats would have no standards at all.

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Saturday, June 10, 2023 1:41 PM

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A Shameful Editorial

The Wall Street Journal failed a key test.

James Joyner · Saturday, June 10, 2023

James Joyner is Professor and Department Head of Security Studies at Marine Corps University's Command and Staff College. He's a former Army officer and Desert Storm veteran. Views expressed here are his own. Follow James on Twitter @DrJJoyner.

https://www.outsidethebeltway.com/a-shameful-editorial/

That the WSJ editorial page tends toward reflexive fealty to Republican causes is no secret. But the Editorial Board should be ashamed of its latest effort.

"A Destructive Trump Indictment
Do prosecutors understand the forces they are unleashing?"

Already, this is ominous. They’re not only insinuating that violence is likely to occur but blaming the decision to indict a person for serious crimes, not the environment created by the individual under indictment.

"Whether you love or hate Donald Trump, his indictment by President Biden’s Justice Department is a fraught moment for American democracy. For the first time in U.S. history, the prosecutorial power of the federal government has been used against a former President who is also running against the sitting President. This is far graver than the previous indictment by a rogue New York prosecutor, and it will roil the 2024 election and U.S. politics for years to come."

The Justice Department is not Joe Biden’s; it’s ours. We have not, in modern history, had a former President run for re-election after having been defeated. Only one recent President, Richard Nixon, has committed crimes so egregious that they would have been worthy of prosecution—and he would likely have been prosecuted if his successor hadn’t decided, probably rightly, that pardoning him was the best way for the country to move on.

"Special counsel Jack Smith announced the indictment in a brief statement on Friday. But no one should be fooled: This is Attorney General Merrick Garland’s responsibility. Mr. Garland appointed Mr. Smith to provide political cover, but Mr. Garland, who reports to Mr. Biden, has the authority to overrule a special counsel’s recommendation."

It’s certainly the case that Garland could have ordered Smith not to file charges. Presumably, he didn’t because he agrees with Smith that the evidence is very strong that Trump committed sufficiently heinous and blatant crimes that prosecution was warranted.

"Americans will inevitably see this as a Garland-Biden indictment, and they are right to think so."

Now, I’ve made a variation of this argument myself for quite some time. It’s absolutely the case that Trump supporters, and even some independents, will see this as a politically-motivated prosecution. There’s just no way around that, given who Trump is and the fact that the Attorney General is a political appointee.

The appointment of a special counsel is the only mechanism we have to create a veil of independence. As I noted at the time, Smith is almost the perfect choice in that regard but it’s not going to mollify Trumpers.

But it’s one thing to acknowledge the political reality of public perception and quite another to argue that the public is “right” to believe this is some authoritarian political repression by Biden and Garland. Faced with a former President who committed crimes, they have to either uphold the rule of law — their sworn duty — or not.

"The indictment levels 37 charges against Mr. Trump that are related to his handling of classified documents, including at his Mar-a-Lago club, since he left the White House. Thirty-one of the counts are for violating the ancient and seldom-enforced Espionage Act for the “willful retention of national defense information.”

It’s true that the Espionage Act of 1917 is pretty old. It’s also true that it’s been amended multiple times over the years. That it’s “seldom-enforced” is simply untrue, unless we’re using sleight of hand to argue that prosecutions for espionage are relatively uncommon compared to those for more frequently-occurring crimes. Indeed, there were several prosecutions (Reality Winner, Daniel Hale, and Julian Assange being the most famous) during Trump’s presidency.

"But it’s striking, and legally notable, that the indictment never mentions the Presidential Records Act (PRA) that allows a President access to documents, both classified and unclassified, once he leaves office. It allows for good-faith negotiation with the National Archives. Yet the indictment assumes that Mr. Trump had no right to take any classified documents.

This doesn’t fit the spirit or letter of the PRA, which was written by Congress to recognize that such documents had previously been the property of former Presidents. If the Espionage Act means Presidents can’t retain any classified documents, then the PRA is all but meaningless. This will be part of Mr. Trump’s defense."

This is simply embarrassing nonsense. The whole point of the PRA was to establish public ownership of all Presidential records. Presidents are allowed to keep purely personal records as defined by law. But literally all official documents held by an incumbent President “automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.”

The notion that former Presidents are allowed to simply take any classified documents—let alone the originals!—home with them is simply laughable.

"The other counts are related to failing to turn over the documents or obstructing the attempts by the Justice Department and FBI to obtain them. One allegation is that during a meeting with a writer and three others, none of whom held security clearances, Mr. Trump “showed and described a ‘plan of attack’” from the Defense Department. “As president I could have declassified it,” he said on audio tape. “Now I can’t, you know, but this is still a secret.”

The feds also say Mr. Trump tried to cover up his classified stash by “suggesting that his attorney hide or destroy documents,” as well as by telling an aide to move boxes to conceal them from his lawyer and the FBI.

As usual, Mr. Trump is his own worst enemy. “This would have gone nowhere,” former Attorney General Bill Barr told CBS recently, “had the President just returned the documents. But he jerked them around for a year and a half.”

Which would rather undercut the notion that this is some political sabotage by Biden and Garland, no?

That being said, if prosecutors think that this will absolve them of the political implications of their decision to charge Mr. Trump, they fail to understand what they’ve unleashed.

In the court of public opinion, the first question will be about two standards of justice. Mr. Biden had old classified files stored in his Delaware garage next to his sports car. When that news came out, he didn’t sound too apologetic. “My Corvette’s in a locked garage, OK? So it’s not like they’re sitting out on the street,” Mr. Biden said. AG Garland appointed another special counsel, Robert Hur, to investigate, but Justice isn’t going to indict Mr. Biden.

As for willful, how about the basement email server that Hillary Clinton used as Secretary of State? FBI director James Comey said in 2016 that she and her colleagues “were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.” According to him, 113 emails included information that was classified when it was sent or received. Eight were Top Secret. About 2,000 others were later “upclassified” to Confidential. This was the statement Mr. Comey ended by declaring Mrs. Clinton free and clear, since “no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.”

Oh, for fuck’s sake.

Should Biden have had classified documents from his days as Vice President in boxes in his private garage? No, he shouldn’t. Did he turn them over the moment they were discovered? Yes, he did.

Do I continue to think Hillary Clinton’s use of a private server in violation of established policy was egregious? Yes, I do. But Comey was absolutely right: while Clinton was sloppy and arrogant, her transgressions weren’t criminal—and certainly not to the level where we would prosecute a high government official.

Not only was Trump’s transgression orders of magnitudes worse he—again, by the Editorial Board’s own concession—would have faced zero chance of indictment had he simply turned the goddamn boxes of stolen secrets over when he was asked rather than stalling for months and forcing them to raid his compound.

This is the inescapable political context of this week’s indictment. The special counsel could have finished his investigation with a report detailing the extent of Mr. Trump’s recklessness and explained what secrets it could have exposed. Instead the Justice Department has taken a perilous path.

The charges are a destructive intervention into the 2024 election, and the potential trial will hang over the race. They also make it more likely that the election will be a referendum on Mr. Trump, rather than on Mr. Biden’s economy and agenda or a GOP alternative. This may be exactly what Democrats intend with their charges.

So, first, not indicting Trump would also have been a political act that impacted the 2020 race.

Second, is the argument that anyone who is a declared candidate for public office can never be charged with a crime?

Third, did the Editorial Board have this position vis-a-vis Hillary Clinton’s emails? Shockingly, no.

Republicans deserve a more competent champion with better character than Mr. Trump. But the indictment might make GOP voters less inclined to provide a democratic verdict on his fitness for a second term. Although the political impact is uncertain, Republicans who are tired of Mr. Trump might rally to his side because they see the prosecution as another unfair Democratic plot to derail him.

That, of course, is a real possibility. But so what? Should DOJ make indictment decisions based on how it’ll impact the Republican primaries? Really?

And what about the precedent? If Republicans win next year’s election, and especially if Mr. Trump does, his supporters will demand that the Biden family be next. Even if Mr. Biden is re-elected, political memories are long.

If Joe Biden commits crimes, he should be prosecuted for them. And, frankly, Republicans were investigating Hunter Biden even before the discovery of the documents at Mar-a-Lago. The notion that a legitimate prosecution justifies illegitimate ones is baffling.

It was once unthinkable in America that the government’s awesome power of prosecution would be turned on a political opponent. That seal has now been broken.

Again, this is simply shameful. Trump committed multiple crimes. He’s been charged with 37 counts! This is not criminalizing politics.

It didn’t need to be. However cavalier he was with classified files, Mr. Trump did not accept a bribe or betray secrets to Russia. The FBI recovered the missing documents when it raided Mar-a-Lago, so presumably there are no more secret attack plans for Mr. Trump to show off.

So, first, we have no idea whether he accepted a bribe or betrayed secrets to Russia. Second, we have no idea whether all the documents were recovered. But, even if we assume that the only crimes he’s committed are those he’s charged with, so what? You’re allowed to commit 37 crimes so long as you don’t commit actual treason?

The greatest irony of the age of Trump is that for all his violating of democratic norms, his frenzied opponents have done and are doing their own considerable damage to democracy.

There’s been zero “frenzy” here. Garland is, if anything, hyper-cautious. And allowing former Presidents to wantonly violate the law isn’t exactly great for democracy, either.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Saturday, June 10, 2023 5:19 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Yet another wall of bullshit via SECOND.
Troll.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

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Saturday, June 10, 2023 5:32 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

yup.

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Saturday, June 10, 2023 7:04 PM

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Yet another wall of bullshit via SECOND.
Troll.

A 44-page indictment that carefully explains the laws Trump broke would be too much for you to read but your reading load would be extremely reduced if you search the document for the word conspiracy.

Here is the indictment:
https://www.scribd.com/document/651864905/US-v-Trump-Nauta-23-80101

Trump got into big trouble by lying to the FBI and by moving documents from Mar-a-Lago to Trump National Golf Club Bedminster in order to trick the FBI into believing he no longer had any documents when he actually still did. An actual sentence from the indictment: Trump claimed to the Department of Justice and FBI that he was “an open book.” Trump said this as he was sitting with his lawyers and lying about the boxes, but a security video showed the boxes being moved to Trump's plane on page 26 of the indictment.

When Hollywood makes the movie, there will be a split screen. On the left half of the screen is Trump lying to the FBI ("I am an open book") about the boxes. On the right half of the screen are the boxes being loaded onto Trump's plane.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, June 10, 2023 7:48 PM

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Trump Uses Democrat Matt Damon’s Voice in Post-Indictment Video

When I read this I thought it was yet another bit of AI fakery. But no. The Trumptards literally lifted a Matt Damon monologue from the movie Air and used it as narration for a campaign video.

I guess they figure that if you can steal top-secret documents and claim it's legal, then stealing someone's voice-over is small potatoes. The chutzpah here is otherworldly. Trumptards are going nuts these days.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-uses-matt-damon-air-monologue-in-f
undraising-video-on-truth-social

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Saturday, June 10, 2023 9:32 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Trump Uses Democrat Matt Damon’s Voice in Post-Indictment Video

When I read this I thought it was yet another bit of AI fakery. But no. The Trumptards literally lifted a Matt Damon monologue from the movie Air and used it as narration for a campaign video.

I guess they figure that if you can steal top-secret documents and claim it's legal, then stealing someone's voice-over is small potatoes. The chutzpah here is otherworldly. Trumptards are going nuts these days.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-uses-matt-damon-air-monologue-in-f
undraising-video-on-truth-social

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65471

Just wow.

Got any pirate links for us today, dickhead?

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Sunday, June 11, 2023 5:38 AM

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Just wow.

Got any pirate links for us today, dickhead?

The “lock her up" crowd is freaking out about "lock him up".
See, pronouns DO matter.

Republicans are called Nazis because they always have a Fuhrer, a Maximum Leader. Once it was Nixon, who could do no wrong because he was their Fuhrer, despite losing Vietnam and Watergate. Then it was Reagan, despite Iran-Contra. The flip side behavior of your basic Nazis in America is that for them Democratic Presidents can do nothing right. Will the Nazis read what a Democrat accomplishes? No, because Democrats can do nothing right in the mind of Nazis. Will the Nazis read the Trump indictment? No need for them to read because Trump can do no wrong:

A 44-page indictment that carefully explains the laws Trump broke would be too much for you to read but your reading load would be extremely reduced if you search the document for the word conspiracy.

Here is the indictment:
https://www.scribd.com/document/651864905/US-v-Trump-Nauta-23-80101

Trump got into big trouble by lying to the FBI and by moving boxes of top-secret documents from Mar-a-Lago to Trump National Golf Club Bedminster in order to trick the FBI into believing he no longer had any documents when he actually still did. A sentence from the indictment: Trump claimed to the Department of Justice and FBI that he was “an open book.” Trump said this as he was sitting with his lawyers and lying about the boxes, but a security video showed the boxes being moved to Trump's plane on page 26 of the indictment.

When Hollywood makes the movie, there will be a split screen. On the left half of the screen is Trump lying to the FBI ("I am an open book") about the boxes. On the right half of the screen are the boxes that Trump is hiding from the FBI being loaded onto Trump's plane.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, June 11, 2023 8:31 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Just wow.

Got any pirate links for us today, dickhead?
The “lock her up" crowd is freaking out about "lock him up".

Nobody is freaking out. Trump will be fine.

My quote was about you bitching and whining about somebody using somebody else's intellectual property. I found that quite laughable considering it was coming from you.

So where's our unsolicited pirate links for today, dickhead?

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See, pronouns DO matter.

You just hit the only two that do. There are only 2 genders.

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Sunday, June 11, 2023 10:38 AM

WHOZIT

Did anyone know that Smiths wife worked for the Obamas?

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Sunday, June 11, 2023 3:07 PM

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Did anyone know that Smiths wife worked for the Obamas?

Smith had been serving as the top prosecutor investigating war crimes in Kosovo in The Hague.

Mr. Smith, 54, has cut an elusive figure since his appointment last November to investigate former President Donald J. Trump. He has granted no interviews, and kept a profile so low that a recent sighting of him emerging from a Subway with lunch was news in the Justice Department headquarters across town.

But on Friday, he made a concise case for his decision to charge Mr. Trump in connection with his retention of classified documents at his residence in Florida.

“Adherence to the rule of law is a bedrock principle of the Department of Justice,” Mr. Smith said. “And our nation’s commitment to the rule of law sets an example for the world. We have one set of laws in this country, and they apply to everyone.”

Former colleagues said he stood out from the start. He was more intense and more focused than many of his peers. He was known for his succinct and effective courtroom style — so much so that senior attorneys in the office would advise junior prosecutors to watch his trials and take notes, according to a person who worked with him in Brooklyn.

During that time, Mr. Smith met Marshall Miller, now the top adviser to Deputy Attorney General Lisa O. Monaco, and the two men worked closely during an investigation into the brutal attack of Abner Louima, a Haitian immigrant who was sexually assaulted by the police with a broomstick inside a Brooklyn precinct in 1997. (The cops went to prison. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima#Criminal_trials )

Mr. Miller — along with Leslie Caldwell, a former department official close to both men — was instrumental in Mr. Smith’s selection as special counsel, telling Ms. Monaco and Mr. Garland that his independence and aggressiveness made him the ideal person for the job, according to several people with knowledge of the situation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/08/us/politics/jack-smith-special-coun
sel-trump-indictment.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Sunday, June 11, 2023 6:23 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

NYT is blowing the guy, obviously.

You people would bend over and take it in the ass from Putin if he came out and said something shitty about Trump.

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Sunday, June 11, 2023 7:19 PM

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NYT is blowing the guy, obviously.

You people would bend over and take it in the ass from Putin if he came out and said something shitty about Trump.

Smith has done the paperwork to put an actual President in prison, before Trump:

In 2015, Mr. Smith left Washington to accept a post in the federal prosecutor’s office in Nashville, in part to be closer to family members who had relocated there. He was appointed as acting U.S. attorney when Mr. Trump fired Obama-appointed attorneys, but left for a job at a private health care company after being passed over for a permanent appointment in the post, according to a law enforcement official who worked with him in Tennessee.

By late 2017, he had grown restless and jumped at the chance to move to The Hague to oversee the prosecution of defendants accused of war crimes in the Kosovo conflict in the late 1990s, after having served a stint there as a junior investigator earlier in his career.

When Mr. Garland’s aides contacted Mr. Smith, he and his team were fresh off the conviction of a high-ranking official in Kosovo and preparing a case against the country’s former president, Hashim Thaci, who has been connected with the killings of 100 Albanians, Roma and Serbs. (How can it be a crime for a President when he didn't personally pull the trigger?)

Mr. Smith expressed regret at not being able to be in The Hague for the trial, but eagerly accepted Mr. Garland’s offer, according to officials, saying he viewed his long-term obligations to the department as his primary professional responsibility.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/08/us/politics/jack-smith-special-coun
sel-trump-indictment.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Sunday, June 11, 2023 7:40 PM

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Yet another wall of bullshit via SECOND.
Troll.

Fox News legal analyst, Jonathan Turley, warns that Trump may spend the rest of his life in prison

Fox News' favorite legal commentator Jonathan Turley: "It is an extremely damning indictment ... this is not an indictment that you can dismiss"

Turley later: "It's really breathtaking. Obviously, this is mishandling, you know, putting classified documents into ballrooms and bathrooms is -- it borders on the bizarre. ... the visual and audio tape evidence is really daunting"

https://twitter.com/LisPower1/status/1667236045811859457

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yet another wall of bullshit via SECOND.
Troll.

Trump's Attorney General Bill Barr says Trump's indictment is 'very damning'

Barr says Trump may be 'toast' and his witch hunt defense won't work

"This idea of presenting Trump as a victim here--the victim of a witch hunt--is ridiculous. Yes, he's been a victim in the past. Yes his adversaries have obsessively pursued him with phony claims, and I've been at his side defending him when he is a victim, but this is much different. He's not a victim here," Barr added. "He was totally wrong that he had the right to have those documents. Those documents are among the most sensitive secrets the country has."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bill-barr-trumps-indictment-very-damn
ing-even-half-true

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Sunday, June 11, 2023 9:18 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Trump will be fine.

Have fun blowing Bill Barr now though dude.

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Sunday, June 11, 2023 9:33 PM

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Trump will be fine.

Have fun blowing Bill Barr now though dude.

Democrats have correctly called Republicans Nazis. This upsets Republicans mightily. They claim that because they don't do the "Heil Hitler!" salutes they can't be Nazis. But Republicans and Nazis are exactly the same in having My Führer -- Trump -- who can do no wrong and reads Mein Kampf before going to sleep. Same as Trumptards' feelings about Trump being fine, now, Nazis felt that Hitler was fine, too, until about 1944.

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Sunday, June 11, 2023 11:56 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Trump will be fine.

Have fun blowing Bill Barr now though dude.
Democrats have correctly called Republicans Nazis. This upsets Republicans mightily.

No it doesn't. Nobody takes any of your insults seriously anymore. Democrats are a joke.

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Monday, June 12, 2023 5:55 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Trump will be fine.

Have fun blowing Bill Barr now though dude.
Democrats have correctly called Republicans Nazis. This upsets Republicans mightily.

No it doesn't. Nobody takes any of your insults seriously anymore. Democrats are a joke.

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In Texas, the Trump voters do get upset when called Nazis. Trump voters get even more upset when Trump is called mentally unstable. Trump voters get really upset when you prove to them that their personal problems are all their own fault: their drunkenness, their divorces, you name it. With Trump voters, everything is not their fault but is, instead, the Democrats' fault. Nazis had the same formula for shifting the blame but Nazis blamed Jews instead of Democrats. Every day I hear Trumptards threatening to kill Democrats. Every day. The Trumptards are going where the Nazis went:

Trump Extremists Demand Civil War, Mass Murder After New Indictment
“Why are we talking about anything but dragging the political elite out of their homes and setting them on fire?”
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-indictment-v
iolence-the-donald-mass-killing-1234768146/

The times Trump has advocated for violence
Trump made statements condoning and encouraging violence throughout his presidency.
https://www.axios.com/2022/05/02/trump-call-violence-presidency
Just in case Signym and 6ix misunderstand simple concepts: violence against "imaginary enemies to your way of life" is the epitome of Nazi, whether it is Russians killing Ukrainians or Trumptards killing Democrats or Confederates killing Abolitionists or Ku Klux Klan killing Blacks or Germans killing Jews. And the reverse, where Ukrainians kill Russians who have a program to wipe out Ukrainians, is the opposite of being a Nazi. Nazis have great mental confusion over the idea that Nazis killing people is a bad thing but killing a Nazis is a good thing. This is because Nazis are convinced they are good people since a Trump or a Hitler or a Putin will rise to power by telling Nazis they are the best people in the world.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Yet another wall of bullshit via SECOND.
Troll.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Trump's "peril is extreme": Former federal prosecutor on the historic Mar-a-Lago indictment

Charges against Trump almost "open and shut," says Dennis Aftergut — and prosecutors will ask for prison time

On Sunday I reached out to another frequent Salon contributor, former federal prosecutor Dennis Aftergut, now of counsel to Lawyers Defending American Democracy, a self-explanatory nonprofit. I wanted Dennis to share not just his legal expertise, although that's extremely important, but also his larger, atmospheric sense of this extraordinary indictment and its historical moment. We held this conversation by email; I have edited Dennis' responses here and there for clarity, but have not altered the substance of his remarks.

Question: I've read a fair number of criminal indictments in 30 years as a journalist, and by any standard this one seems extraordinary. I'd like to ask you, as a former federal prosecutor, how you perceived it in a number of different ways. First of all, what was your general impression of Jack Smith's indictment overall — as a work of legal argument and narrative, and also as an event in legal and political history?

Answer: The narrative here is one of betrayal of a nation and its most precious secrets by a man who was the commander in chief for four years and who seeks that mantle again. There's never been anything remotely like it.

Just think about it. The disregard for the lives, the risk and the individual courage that goes into gathering information vital to our national security and our safety is incomprehensible. There is no way for the brain to wrap itself around what is described in this indictment, the violation of sacred trust, a one-man demolition crew working against the American intelligence system that has been built, brick by brick, over 80 years.

With the kind of conduct alleged in the indictment by the former occupant of the highest office in the land, how is any foreign intelligence service supposed to trust us to keep information confidential, to protect its methods of collecting our enemies' secrets or the identity of its sources?

It could take years, if not decades, to recover from the damage.

Question: In more concrete terms, how does that conclusion emerge from this indictment?

Answer: Put together three basic pieces: 1) The bone-chilling nature of the materials unlawfully taken from the White House; 2) the apparent exposure of those materials at Mar-a-Lago; and 3) what we know from public reporting about security there and our nation's enemies whose agents may have breached it.

Much more at https://www.salon.com/2023/06/12/never-been-anything-like-it-former-pr
osecutor-on-the-historic-indictment/

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Monday, June 12, 2023 7:51 AM

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Trump will be fine.

Have fun blowing Bill Barr now though dude.
Democrats have correctly called Republicans Nazis. This upsets Republicans mightily.

No it doesn't. Nobody takes any of your insults seriously anymore. Democrats are a joke.

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In Texas, the Trump voters do get upset when called Nazis.

No they don't. Nobody takes you seriously and you people have abused the word Nazi so bad it doesn't mean anything anymore.

Shame on you.

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Tuesday, June 13, 2023 7:04 AM

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No they don't. Nobody takes you seriously and you people have abused the word Nazi so bad it doesn't mean anything anymore.

Shame on you.

I should mock you, but Nazis are deaf and blind. The German version of Nazis couldn't see themselves as bad people and neither can the American version, but send this piece of good legal advice to your lawbreaking Fuhrer: ‘If you want to die in jail, keep talking’

If Trump were anyone other than a former president, he would not have been given the luxury of a summons to appear in court. There would be a team of armed FBI agents outside his door at 6:30 in the morning, he would have been arrested and the government would be immediately moving to detain. So the idea that he’s being treated differently is true – but not from the way his supporters seem to be arguing.

Question: If Trump were your client, what would you advise him to do?

Durkin: The first thing I would do is show him a guidelines memo, which we typically create for every client to help them understand the potential consequences of the charges. Under the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines, the consequences for Trump under this indictment are serious. My quick calculations indicate that you’re talking about 51 to 63 months in the best case and in the worst case, which I’m not sure would apply, 210 to 262 months.

Whether he wants to roll heavy dice, that’s up to him. But those are very heavy dice.

Ferguson: I might pull media statements that he has made in the last couple years and explain to him how they have complicated the ability to defend him. I’d put on the table to him that I need to see every statement that he is going to make in the political realm about this before he makes it. I’d tell him he’s otherwise basically hanging himself.

I’d tell him: If you want to die in jail, keep talking. But if you want to try to figure out a way that brings about an acceptable resolution - a plea deal that opens the door to a lighter jail sentence than what the guidelines threaten and, possibly, even no jail time – you need to turn it down or at least have it screened by your lawyers.

Question: Are there specific things he might say between now and a trial that could deepen his trouble?

Ferguson: No question about that. And people should understand that the things that he said already are being used as evidence of intent. From now on, the repetition of them constitutes new admissible evidence. It’s not like, “Oh, I’ve already said it, so I might as well keep saying it.”

That does not mean that he cannot offer the broad brush characterization, “I’m being wronged. This is the weaponization of law enforcement and the justice system against me, and I will be vindicated,” however imprudent I might think that was. But anything that goes beyond that, and into the actual particulars, referencing the documents themselves, will just make it worse.

Question: Trump knows a lot of state secrets. An angry Trump in prison has risks. If he were found guilty, what does incarceration look like for him?

Ferguson: Trump’s insistence on keeping talking about this creates a record that would justify isolation in maximum security on the basis that “We can’t trust this man not to continue to talk. We can’t trust him not to further share these secrets with people who may wish to do harm with them. The only way to avoid that is to put him in isolation in supermax where he doesn’t get to talk with people, except under these extremely closely monitored circumstances, certainly isn’t in a general population situation, gets to take a walk in a courtyard for one hour out of the 24 hours of the day, and the other 23 hours, leaving him mostly without human contact.”

Question: Is there a specific line Trump could cross that would force the government to seek to detain him prior to trial?

Durkin: I predict that if he keeps it up, and especially if he keeps suggesting or threatening violence, that the government will be put in a position where they don’t have a choice but to try to move to detain him. In the real world, that’s what would happen if it was anybody but him. Normally, you can’t be threatening this type of stuff without being put in detention.

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o-national-security-law-experts-discuss-the-special-treatment-for-trump-and-offer-him-some-advice-207482

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Trump scrambles to find lawyer on eve of first federal court appearance

In a familiar predicament, multiple Florida lawyers decline to take Trump’s case, people familiar with the matter say.

After touching down in Miami on Monday, Trump spent the afternoon interviewing prospective lawyers. Several prominent Florida attorneys declined to take Trump on as a client after two of the key lawyers handling the documents matter — Jim Trusty and John Rowley — resigned last week, according to people familiar with the matter.

Trusty and Rowley’s departure was sudden and unexpected, leaving Trump jockeying to identify a lawyer ahead of his Tuesday appearance in federal court in Miami, where rules require practicing attorneys to be a member in good standing of the Florida bar or to be sponsored by one before appearing.

The 11th-hour flurry of action to hire a seasoned trial attorney was a familiar dance for Trump, who has had difficulty hiring and keeping lawyers over the course of numerous federal and state investigations since his 2016 election as president.

Disagreements over legal strategy have hindered the search for new defense attorneys, according to people familiar with the discussions, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

Some on Trump’s team have pushed to pursue an aggressively partisan strategy in which they would accuse the Justice Department of prosecutorial misconduct and weaponizing the legal system against Trump. The other camp, a person briefed on the situation said, is urging the former president to put together a traditional defense team and believes that the case is winnable at trial through careful jury selection — one juror is all a defendant needs to convince to avoid conviction — and that a scorched-earth strategy could alienate a jury and the country.

Jon Sale, a prominent Florida defense attorney who worked on the Watergate prosecution team and turned down the opportunity to join Trump’s defense team last year, said that the pros and cons of representing Trump are obvious.

“Without engaging in hyperbole, it’s arguably the biggest case in the world,” said Sale. “But the cons are illustrated by three of his four lawyers quitting in the last few weeks. He needs a good Florida lawyer with an impeccable reputation who is very experienced in this.”

Trump is known as a difficult client — he eschews legal advice, sometimes issues public threats to engage in illegal activity and frequently skips out on his legal bills.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/06/12/trump-docu
ments-lawyer/

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Tuesday, June 13, 2023 9:49 AM

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No they don't. Nobody takes you seriously and you people have abused the word Nazi so bad it doesn't mean anything anymore.

Shame on you.
I should mock you,

Do your worst, dickless.

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Tuesday, June 13, 2023 10:15 AM

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Do your worst, dickless.

In an earlier iteration of Trump scandals, I would have leapt to the conclusion that his refusal to follow the Pence/Biden model (returning the top-secret documents) is a clear sign that he’s guilty of something darker and more nefarious.

Which he might be. But having seen a few of these scandals play out now, I’m open to the possibility that he’s just stubborn, he doesn’t think the rules apply to him, he doesn’t like other people telling him what to do, and he thinks that being charged helps him stay at the center of attention and neuter his intraparty rivals, so fuck it. Trump simply stands head and shoulders above the average American politician in his willingness to take things to the edge, to flout the law, and to act with reckless disdain for the consequences his actions will have for anyone.

His efforts to supposedly own the libs mostly involve deceiving his own supporters. Trump markets himself as a down-and-dirty fighter who champions the right’s causes through his refusal to play the game with kid gloves. In truth, he’s a sub-par politician who’s not good at winning elections or advancing a legislative agenda or convincing people of conservative ideas.

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Tuesday, June 13, 2023 10:35 AM

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*yawn*

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Tuesday, June 13, 2023 3:31 PM

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Meanwhile Biden walks around the Whitehouse eating ice cream and talking to the paintings...and craping his pants.

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Meanwhile Biden walks around the Whitehouse eating ice cream and talking to the paintings...and craping his pants.

We are now almost exclusively fighting over whether if you are Donald J. Trump, you are allowed to walk around with highly classified documents, to show them to biographers without security clearance, to hide them and to lie about it, because when you are Donald J. Trump, what you feel like doing at any given moment gets to be the very definition of the rule of law. To the extent there is a “legal” debate occurring at all, it’s about whether, per Richard Nixon, when the former/ex/“real” president does it, it’s legal.

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Tuesday, June 13, 2023 6:49 PM

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lol

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Tuesday, June 13, 2023 7:35 PM

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lol

The Department of Justice, far from indicting him for political reasons, actually went easy on him:

In January of last year, in response to a subpoena, Trump returned 197 classified documents to the federal government. Despite his willfully retaining those documents for months, the federal indictment released last week does not charge Trump in connection with any of them — which is to say, the DOJ gave Trump a pass on 197 potential counts of willful retention of national defense information. Instead, it charged him with only 31 counts corresponding with the number of highly classified documents Trump knowingly withheld from the government in January 2022 and the FBI later obtained.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/06/trump-indictment-not-political
ly-motivated-clinton-emails-biden.html

Trump held onto hundred of classified documents for a year after leaving office, even after repeated requests for their return from the National Archives. He gave them back only after a subpoena. Even so, he did give them back, so DOJ let the whole thing slide.

But then Trump practically forced their hand. Even after requests, even after a subpoena, he held on to dozens more classified documents and did everything he possibly could to hide them. The government got them back only after the FBI seized them in a search of Mar-a-Lago months later.

This is the key difference between Trump and Biden/Pence/Hillary Clinton.

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Tuesday, June 13, 2023 9:31 PM

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lol

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Thursday, June 15, 2023 8:55 PM

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If they can indict Trump for stealing classified documents, defying a subpoena, lying to law enforcement, and then admitting to it on tape, they can indict anyone for stealing classified documents, defying a subpoena, lying to law enforcement, and then admitting to it on tape.

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Thursday, June 15, 2023 11:40 PM

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If they can indict Trump for stealing classified documents, defying a subpoena, lying to law enforcement, and then admitting to it on tape, they can indict anyone for stealing classified documents, defying a subpoena, lying to law enforcement, and then admitting to it on tape.

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Trump didn't do anything wrong.

You can indict a ham sandwich.

Trump will be fine.

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Trump didn't do anything wrong.

You can indict a ham sandwich.

Trump will be fine.

How the exposure of highly classified documents could harm US security – and why there are laws against storing them insecurely

When Donald Trump pled not guilty on June 13, 2023, to federal criminal charges related to his alleged illegal retention of classified documents, it was his first opportunity to formally answer charges that he violated the Espionage Act.

The Justice Department alleges that, after his presidency, Trump held, in an unsecure location, documents about some of the nation’s most sensitive secrets, including information about U.S. nuclear programs as well as U.S. and allies’ defense and weapons capabilities and potential vulnerabilities to military attack and that he repeatedly thwarted efforts by the National Archives to retrieve them.

The Conversation asked Gary Ross, a scholar of Intelligence studies, who has investigated cases involving the mishandling and unauthorized disclosure of classified information for multiple U.S. government agencies, to define some of the categories of risk detailed in the indictment and explain how the U.S. and allies may have been harmed.

More at https://theconversation.com/how-the-exposure-of-highly-classified-docu
ments-could-harm-us-security-and-why-there-are-laws-against-storing-them-insecurely-207484

After the 9/11 terrorist attack, a report by the Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction documented two instances in which allied intelligence agencies refused to share sensitive information with the U.S. due to concerns that the U.S. would not protect the information.
https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/GPO-WMD

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Friday, June 16, 2023 10:16 AM

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Trump didn't do anything wrong.

You can indict a ham sandwich.

Trump will be fine.

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Friday, June 16, 2023 1:21 PM

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Trump didn't do anything wrong.

You can indict a ham sandwich.

Trump will be fine.

You have the same behavior disorder as Trump: Irresponsibility. In Trump's situation, irresponsibility is a crime. If you check the synonyms, it is a list of Trump's personality defects: https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/irresponsible

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Friday, June 16, 2023 1:40 PM

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Trump didn't do anything wrong.

You can indict a ham sandwich.

Trump will be fine.

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Pardon me, sir

Trump Demands GOP Rivals Pledge to Pardon Him … or Else

Behind the scenes, the former president has been sending his minions after Ron DeSantis, demanding he bend the knee after Trump's indictment

Trump’s demand is to protect himself from legal consequences if he loses both the GOP primary and his federal court case. But given that Trump is telling allies he’ll trounce DeSantis and all other primary challengers, the demand for a pardon pledge appears to be more of a political move.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/donald-trump-p
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ROBERT COSTA: Would he put the country at risk if he was in the White House again?

FMR. ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR: He will always put his own interests, and gratifying his own ego, ahead of everything else, including the country’s interest, there’s no question about it. This is a perfect example of that. He’s like, you know, he’s like a nine year old, defiant nine year old kid who’s always pushing the glass toward the edge of the table, defying his parents to stop him from doing it. It’s a means of self assertion and exerting his dominance over other people. And he’s a very petty individual who will always put his interests ahead of the country’s, his personal gratification of his, you know, his ego, but our country- our country can’t, you know, can’t be a therapy session for you know, a troubled man like this.

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Sunday, June 18, 2023 11:13 PM

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Fuck Bill Barr and the blowjobs you're giving him in current year.

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For Strongmen like Trump, Holding Office is a Means of Committing Crimes with Impunity

Getting away with crime and becoming untouchable is the essence of authoritarianism

Ruth Ben-Ghiat, Jun 17, 2023

Here is the clip from a great conversation with Jonathan Capehart, which inspired this essay.

“They want to silence me because I will never let them silence you. And I am the only one that can save this nation because you know they’re not coming after me, they’re coming after you. And I just happened to be standing in their way. And I will never be moving.”

And so, another chapter opens of former president Donald Trump's version of the authoritarian playbook. The remarks he made to supporters at his Bedminster, N.J. golf club after his post-indictment arraignment in Miami on June 13 may have seemed spontaneous. Yet they are carefully calibrated. They continue the propaganda points and emotional manipulation that have allowed his leader cult and his bonds with his followers to endure more than two years after leaving office.

Yet Trump is in the middle of the strongman's worst nightmare —an indictment that could lead to a conviction and jail sentence— and his rhetoric has accordingly escalated. Everything he is doing and saying right now has one goal: getting him back into the White House so that he can realize the strongman's dream of committing crimes with impunity and neutralize anyone and anything that can harm him.

The purpose of holding office, for strongmen like Trump, is not governance, but having the power to get away with crime.

More at https://lucid.substack.com/p/for-strongmen-like-trump-holding

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Monday, June 19, 2023 9:18 AM

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Heard it before. *yawn*

Why don't we talk about your guy?

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I wonder why Judge found Trump untrustworthy around top-secret documents?
Answer: Because the Judge believes Trump is an Irresponsible Asshole. The Judge knows Trumptards!

Judge orders Trump not to release evidence in classified documents case

Former President Trump and his legal team cannot keep nor publicly disclose any federal evidence in the classified documents case against him, a federal judge in Florida ruled Monday.

Why it matters: Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart's order against the former president and co-defendant Walt Nauta, a Trump aide, which also limits their access to material, is a victory for special counsel Jack Smith, who requested it to prevent sensitive details being revealed during the discovery process when prosecutors present the defense with evidence.

The order warns any violations could result in criminal contempt charges.

Driving the news: "The Discovery materials, along with any information derived therefrom, shall not be disclosed to the public or the news media, or disseminated on any news or social media platform, without prior notice to and consent of the United States or approval of the Court," states the order issued in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida. Full text of order https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1670792703259320321

"Defendants shall only have access to Discovery Materials under the direct supervision of Defense Counsel or a member of Defense Counsel’s staff. Defendants shall not retain copies of Discovery Material."

The big picture: Trump pleaded not guilty in a Miami court last week to all 37 criminal charges related to retaining classified information and obstruction of justice in the federal documents case.

Trump and his allies have repeatedly criticized Smith, who was formerly a chief prosecutor at The Hague, and called the federal indictment a politically motivated "witch hunt."

https://www.axios.com/2023/06/20/trump-classified-documents-evidence-j
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I wonder why Judge found Trump untrustworthy around top-secret documents?
Answer: Because the Judge believes Trump is an Irresponsible Asshole. The Judge knows Trumptards!

Judge orders Trump not to release evidence in classified documents case

Former President Trump and his legal team cannot keep nor publicly disclose any federal evidence in the classified documents case against him, a federal judge in Florida ruled Monday.

Why it matters: Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart's order against the former president and co-defendant Walt Nauta, a Trump aide, which also limits their access to material, is a victory for special counsel Jack Smith, who requested it to prevent sensitive details being revealed during the discovery process when prosecutors present the defense with evidence.

The order warns any violations could result in criminal contempt charges.

Driving the news: "The Discovery materials, along with any information derived therefrom, shall not be disclosed to the public or the news media, or disseminated on any news or social media platform, without prior notice to and consent of the United States or approval of the Court," states the order issued in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida. Full text of order https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1670792703259320321

"Defendants shall only have access to Discovery Materials under the direct supervision of Defense Counsel or a member of Defense Counsel’s staff. Defendants shall not retain copies of Discovery Material."

The big picture: Trump pleaded not guilty in a Miami court last week to all 37 criminal charges related to retaining classified information and obstruction of justice in the federal documents case.

Trump and his allies have repeatedly criticized Smith, who was formerly a chief prosecutor at The Hague, and called the federal indictment a politically motivated "witch hunt."

https://www.axios.com/2023/06/20/trump-classified-documents-evidence-j
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In other words...

Democrats: Only WE get to leak classified documents!!!!!

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Tuesday, June 20, 2023 2:30 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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I wonder why Judge found Trump untrustworthy around top-secret documents?
Answer: Because the Judge believes Trump is an Irresponsible Asshole. The Judge knows Trumptards!

Judge orders Trump not to release evidence in classified documents case

Former President Trump and his legal team cannot keep nor publicly disclose any federal evidence in the classified documents case against him, a federal judge in Florida ruled Monday.

Why it matters: Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart's order against the former president and co-defendant Walt Nauta, a Trump aide, which also limits their access to material, is a victory for special counsel Jack Smith, who requested it to prevent sensitive details being revealed during the discovery process when prosecutors present the defense with evidence.

The order warns any violations could result in criminal contempt charges.

Driving the news: "The Discovery materials, along with any information derived therefrom, shall not be disclosed to the public or the news media, or disseminated on any news or social media platform, without prior notice to and consent of the United States or approval of the Court," states the order issued in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida. Full text of order https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1670792703259320321

"Defendants shall only have access to Discovery Materials under the direct supervision of Defense Counsel or a member of Defense Counsel’s staff. Defendants shall not retain copies of Discovery Material."

The big picture: Trump pleaded not guilty in a Miami court last week to all 37 criminal charges related to retaining classified information and obstruction of justice in the federal documents case.

Trump and his allies have repeatedly criticized Smith, who was formerly a chief prosecutor at The Hague, and called the federal indictment a politically motivated "witch hunt."

https://www.axios.com/2023/06/20/trump-classified-documents-evidence-j
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

In other words...

Democrats: Only WE get to leak classified documents!!!!!

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Haven't caught all of your threads. Did you make note that, when raiding Mar-a-Lago, no Trump representative was allowed to whatch what the rogue FBI goons stufed into the boxes that they took, and the defense is still not allowed to see what is in them.

Just like your trusty Vice Cop who slips a bag of coke into your purse, just so they can arrest you or strip search the hot babes. Completely legit, been doing it for decades.

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Tuesday, June 20, 2023 3:00 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Haven't caught all of your threads. Did you make note that, when raiding Mar-a-Lago, no Trump representative was allowed to whatch what the rogue FBI goons stufed into the boxes that they took, and the defense is still not allowed to see what is in them.

Just like your trusty Vice Cop who slips a bag of coke into your purse, just so they can arrest you or strip search the hot babes. Completely legit, been doing it for decades.

Read the indictment, which includes many Trump statements that he would prosecute people like himself caught with documents.
"full text of the Trump indictment"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/read-full-text-trump-indictment-pdf-copy-
unsealed-documents-case/

Trump showed the top secrets to anybody who wanted to see them. People did not even have to ask to see the top secrets. Trump lied to the FBI over and over and over about the documents. Then Trump tried and failed to trick the FBI into thinking Trump had returned all the documents. Now Trump is saying that all the documents are still his personal property and he must have them back. He will have the opportunity to make that claim in court. If he loses, and the jury decides Trump is full of baloney, he will go to jail.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, June 20, 2023 10:45 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Haven't caught all of your threads. Did you make note that, when raiding Mar-a-Lago, no Trump representative was allowed to whatch what the rogue FBI goons stufed into the boxes that they took, and the defense is still not allowed to see what is in them.

Just like your trusty Vice Cop who slips a bag of coke into your purse, just so they can arrest you or strip search the hot babes. Completely legit, been doing it for decades.
Read the indictment, which includes many Trump statements that he would prosecute people like himself caught with documents.
"full text of the Trump indictment"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/read-full-text-trump-indictment-pdf-copy-
unsealed-documents-case/

Trump showed the top secrets to anybody who wanted to see them. People did not even have to ask to see the top secrets. Trump lied to the FBI over and over and over about the documents. Then Trump tried and failed to trick the FBI into thinking Trump had returned all the documents. Now Trump is saying that all the documents are still his personal property and he must have them back. He will have the opportunity to make that claim in court. If he loses, and the jury decides Trump is full of baloney, he will go to jail.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Trump's got video of everything.

Looking forward to that coming out when and if he needs it to come out.

Trump will be fine.

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Wednesday, June 21, 2023 7:49 AM

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In another least-surprising surprise of our times, last week Donald Trump expressed his intent, if elected to a second term as president, to utilize his Justice Department to destroy his political opponent. The New York Times reported that Trump had promised, in a speech after his arraignment, to “appoint a real special prosecutor to go after the most corrupt president in the history of the United States of America, Joe Biden, and the entire Biden crime family,” and went on to explain the plan to reinvent a DOJ entirely beholden not to the laws of the land, but the president. As the Times noted in its opening paragraph, such a move would “fully jettison the post-Watergate norm of Justice Department independence.”

It’s interesting that we still refer to the proposition that the White House doesn’t direct the DOJ to go after political rivals as a “norm” — much less a norm the White House has observed since Watergate — when in actual fact, only Democratic administrations have adhered to this standard. Long before the Trump era, George W. Bush deployed theories of a “unitary executive” to make claims about a DOJ that answered to him.

Trump’s own use of his Justice Department during his term as president to go after political enemies and reward sycophants is well documented. Whether it was issuing subpoenas for Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell for investigating Kremlin election meddling, conscripting his attorney general, Bill Barr, to distort the findings of the Mueller investigation, or roping John Durham into investigating the origins of the FBI’s inquiry into Russian election interference, no sane person believes there was a meaningful wall of separation between Trump and his DOJ. And there wasn’t a word of concern from Rep. Kevin McCarthy, Sen. Mitch McConnell, or Rep. Jim Jordan when the Jan. 6 hearings revealed the extent to which Trump had leaned on his Justice Department to support his claim that the 2020 presidential contest had been stolen, including telling acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen to “Just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen.” It was understood that Trump thought his DOJ worked for Trump.

But do you know who has adhered to the norm that walls off the DOJ from the White House? President Joe Biden. And the attorney general he appointed, Merrick Garland. And special counsel Jack Smith. They have taken elaborate care to keep Trump’s criminal investigation at arm’s length from the White House. This is not an aberration for Democratic administrations.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/06/american-values-and-norms-
have-split.html

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Wednesday, June 21, 2023 10:09 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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In another least-surprising surprise of our times, last week Donald Trump expressed his intent, if elected to a second term as president, to utilize his Justice Department to destroy his political opponent. The New York Times reported that Trump had promised, in a speech after his arraignment, to “appoint a real special prosecutor to go after the most corrupt president in the history of the United States of America, Joe Biden, and the entire Biden crime family,” and went on to explain the plan to reinvent a DOJ entirely beholden not to the laws of the land, but the president. As the Times noted in its opening paragraph, such a move would “fully jettison the post-Watergate norm of Justice Department independence.”

Is this shit written by chatGPT?

You're explaining how the DOJ is being run right now under Democrats.

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Wednesday, June 21, 2023 11:52 PM

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Ex-FBI analyst who, like Trump, kept classified documents in her bathroom, receives nearly four-year prison sentence

The Kansas City Star reports:

A former FBI intelligence analyst from Dodge City, Kansas, who kept hundreds of classified documents at her home, including in her bathroom, was sentenced to nearly four years in prison by a federal judge in Kansas City on Wednesday for violating the same part of the Espionage Act that former President Donald Trump is accused of breaking.

The sentencing for willful retention of national defense information was the first since a federal grand jury indicted Trump earlier this month, accusing him of hoarding classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, keeping boxes of documents not only in a storage room but in a ballroom and bathroom as well.

The sentence, handed down by U.S. District Court Judge Stephen R. Bough, offered the first courtroom clue since Trump’s indictment about what the former president can expect if he is found guilty.

“I cannot fathom why you would jeopardize our nation by leaving these types of documents in your bathtub,” Bough said.

Bough, an Obama appointee, ordered the former analyst, Kendra Kingsbury, to spend three years and 10 months in prison followed by three years of supervised release. He ordered her to surrender to federal authorities to begin her prison sentence on July 21.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article276608961.h
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