Bill Maher: We need a better policy for putting out a city on fire than waiting for rain. by 6ixStringJack

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Bill Maher: We need a better policy for putting out a city on fire than waiting for rain.

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UPDATED: Sunday, January 19, 2025 23:42
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Saturday, January 18, 2025 7:21 PM

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/01/18/maher_progressive_p
olicies_identity_politics_led_to_mismanagement_of_wildfires_who_teaches_people_this_bullsht.html

Goddamn right.

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Saturday, January 18, 2025 7:49 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Seriously. Everybody in America should see that video.

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Saturday, January 18, 2025 9:06 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Was the transcript complete?
Couldn't listen, at the vets with a sick dog

So, I would venture to guess that EVEN IF the hydrants had sufficient water pressure, and EVEN IF all of the firefighting equipment was operable and EVEN IF that one reservoir was filled, it wouldn't have made much difference. Maybe 10pct of those homes could have been saved.

Maybe not

Have you ever seen a fully committed firefighting effort against an even modest blaze, like a 10-unit apt complex?

I have.

It's like spitting into an inferno. In most cases, all they're trying to do is keep nearby buildings from catching on fire. But if the wind is blowing embers a half mile or more, that's a different thing altogether, and that kind of firefighting doesn't work.

So, if everything had been done right...

If the owners of the tree filled canyon sides has thinned the trees and brush and if houses had well watered defensible perimeters, and if firefighting had been all up to snuff ... maybe the fire zone could have been reduced by some percent. POSSIBLY ELIMINATED COMPLETELY.

If half of the houses were fire*resistant, that would have allowed firefighters to concentrate on the remaining half and maybe THOSE could have been saved. But seriously?
You need a 0.5- 1-mile defensible perimeter to keep these wind driven fires from spreading.

I think people don't comprehend the SCALE of some disasters. They think that something could be, or should have been, done. And when the scale of disaster exceeds human effort, they lay blame.

But IMHO the best was to mitigate these disasters is mitigation ahead of time. Hurricane-proof, fire- proof, earthquake- proof. Storm cellars. In BIG events, response is always going to fall short

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Saturday, January 18, 2025 10:26 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

What to do about forest fires in the increasingly arid and hot west ...

I read a research paper decades ago and it has stuck with me ever since: How to eliminate mega fires.

IIRC it was out of UC Davis.

They were running an experiment on how to stop crown fires, and they had several acres divided into four parts. In one quarter, nothing was done. In one quarter, vegetation thinning. In one quarter, prescribed burning. And in one quarter, BOTH thinning and prescribed burning.

As it turned out, a "natural experiment" occurred: an intense forest fire swept thru the experiment. The quarter that was the control burned. The quarters that were each managed by a single prevention measure were damaged but recoverable. The quarter that was managed by BOTH techniques was unscathed: a small grass fire swept across the forest floor, the bark of some trees was singed but the trees were undamaged.

What's wrong with that?

IT'S EXPENSIVE.

I'll tell you what fire prevention is NOT:

IT IS NOT ROADWAYS. Roadways are useful for all kinds of reasons, including firefighting. But when embers are being blown 1/4 mile OR MORE, does anyone think a 30-ft roadway is going to help?

IT IS NOT CLEAR-CUTTING. The purpose of fire prevention is to maintain the ecological service that firests provide... not eliminate them completely.

Thinning is expensive work, requiring that trees be marked and removed individually, brush cut down. And THEN proscribed burning.

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Sunday, January 19, 2025 12:17 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Was the transcript complete?

No. He goes on for 6 or 7 minutes. This isn't just a soundbyte thing.

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Sunday, January 19, 2025 5:11 AM

SIGNYM

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Oh, those quotes from the fire chief and deputy fire chief.

Cringeworthy!!!

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Sunday, January 19, 2025 7:54 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

There's just so much that's cringeworthy, Sigs.

And Bill Maher is saying all the same things I'm saying.

The only two things we probably solidly agree on is woke politics is poison and GWB was awful.

He lives there, and he's rich. And he's saying the same things I'm saying. He was saying most of them for years and nobody on the Left was listening to him.

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Sunday, January 19, 2025 9:11 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

so fires burnt the over head electric cables that powered the pumps?

Faults along LA’s power grid surged in the same location where California wildfires ignited: report
https://nypost.com/2025/01/11/us-news/power-surges-began-before-califo
rnia-wildfires-ignited-report/

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Sunday, January 19, 2025 8:05 PM

BRENDA

Maybe California should try a page out of BC's book. Controlled burning. BC has agreements with First Nations to do that. Using First Nations knowledge of the land. BC is spending more on fire mitigation during the winter months.

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Sunday, January 19, 2025 8:13 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Might be a moot point by the time it's done. California might be all desert.

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Sunday, January 19, 2025 11:42 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

"California is not a desert"

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