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Russia wants to upend Western democracy

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THGRRI

Tuesday, January 31, 2017 4:10 AM

Former Ukraine finance minister:

Russia's interference in the U.S. election was but the latest and most audacious episode in Moscow's ongoing effort to destroy liberal democracy and the Trans-Atlantic partnership, says a top Ukrainian leader. "The information attacks, the propaganda, the cyberattacks. We've lived through all the things they tested first in Ukraine," Natalie Jaresko, the country's former finance minister told David Axelrod on The Axe Files podcast, a joint production of CNN and the University of Chicago's Institute of Politics.

"It's shocking that they would take the risk of doing that in the United States. And now it appears -- I've seen reports -- Germany, France and elsewhere. "

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/natalie-jaresko-axe-files/index
.html

And Trump is his best ally in this.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:56 AM

I also want to upend ' liberal democracy '.

Too much honesty about our leaders and their corruption!! Oh no!!

Spare me.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

THGRRI

Tuesday, January 31, 2017 5:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I also want to upend ' liberal democracy '.

Too much honesty about our leaders and their corruption!! Oh no!!

Spare me.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I have issues with extreme points of view myself rap. Many of those points of view come from you. However, Patton would roll over in his grave if he saw what you posted instead of coming together to push Putin back. What he represents in not democracy.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, January 31, 2017 7:23 PM

What you represent isn't Democracy either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THGRRI

Thursday, February 2, 2017 3:29 AM

Democracy is all encompassing rap or it's not a democracy. What you describe is hate.

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THGRRI

Sunday, February 12, 2017 8:29 PM

NATO: Russian Propaganda Up Since Crimea Offensive

NATO and EU officials are increasingly worried about Russia's ability to spread disinformation via TV and internet.

By Reuters On 2/11/17

NATO accused Russia of escalating a disinformation campaign since the Kremlin's 2014 seizure of Ukraine's Crimea region, saying Russian websites such as Sputnik and RT had posted false stories, the alliance's spokeswoman said on Saturday.

There is increasing concern among senior NATO and European Union officials over Russia's ability to use television and the Internet to spread what they say is fake news.

The defense alliance of 28 democracies says it has recorded more than a score of Russian myths in the last two years which it has attempted to knock down with factsheets, interviews, rebuttals and videos.

http://europe.newsweek.com/nato-russian-propaganda-crimea-offensive-55
5724

Video below opens up in your media player. If you don't wish that then don't click on the link.

http://ps.ibt.com/2016/12/12/top-tips-1481539254.mp4

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1KIKI

Tuesday, February 14, 2017 4:47 AM

Now I know you're not supposed to feed trolls - but maybe baiting them is OK. HEY THUGGER! I just called you a troll over here! http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61366

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

THGRRI

Tuesday, February 14, 2017 5:03 AM

Gone fishing, back later.

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1KIKI

Tuesday, February 14, 2017 5:35 AM

Too humiliated to deny being a troll? Well - I guess that proves it! By his own inability to say he's not a troll, THUGGER has called himself one!

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

THGRRI

Tuesday, February 14, 2017 8:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Too humiliated to deny being a troll? Well - I guess that proves it! By his own inability to say he's not a troll, THUGGER has called himself one!

Speaking of Russia Trolls. See ya, bye

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THGRRI

Tuesday, February 14, 2017 9:02 PM

This is only the pulling of the first string. His top advisors are a joke and a danger to this country's well being. It only took three weeks. You guys loved to kill Hillary for not taking national security seriously. So now I want to hear you give Trump equal time. Besides the Flynn scandal, he had an open air security briefing at his key largo golf course. He was surrounded by the general public as he was being briefed on his cell phone ( his cell phone ) about North Korea. Big mistake, big mistake.

Lets hear it SIG. Your guy is turning out to be a disaster. Come on 1kiki, SIG. let's hear the outrage.

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THGRRI

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:30 AM

ISIS Doesn't Stand A Chance, Unless America 'Engages' Russia

The proposal that America engage Russia to fight Islamic terrorism is beyond folly. Russia’s recent intrusion into America’s electoral process may flag caution. But that is woefully insufficient. The proposal is either willed ignorance or studied reality reversal.

First, the proposal dismisses Russia as the overarching existential threat to our existence, both as a free democratic society and physically. For all its savagery, ISIS is not an existential threat, whether to the U.S. or to Europe. ISIS beheads individuals. The Kremlin decapitates entire democratic processes. Russia has and is everything ISIS does not and is not. Russia remains, as was the Soviet Union, the largest country on earth, including an entire third of Asia. It seamlessly projects its power across 11 times zones, from Europe to the Sea of Japan to miles within the U.S. border. Its combined nuclear/conventional/chemical/biological arsenal transcends anything we can muster.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2017/02/14/isis-doesnt-stand-a-ch
ance-unless-america-engages-russia/#2a74b13f5fc1

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DREAMTROVE

Monday, February 27, 2017 6:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I also want to upend ' liberal democracy '.

Too much honesty about our leaders and their corruption!! Oh no!!

Spare me.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

Rap,

Would be ironic if Russia upended our own socialism by telling the truth about it.

THGRRI

Monday, February 27, 2017 7:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I also want to upend ' liberal democracy '.

Too much honesty about our leaders and their corruption!! Oh no!!

Spare me.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

Rap,

Would be ironic if Russia upended our own socialism by telling the truth about it.

Ok, I see. Where you from dreamtrove?

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DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, February 28, 2017 11:16 AM

New York, you?

SIGNYM

Tuesday, February 28, 2017 12:19 PM

Just a couple of comments

Quote:
I have issues with extreme points of view myself rap. Many of those points of view come from you. However, Patton would roll over in his grave if he saw what you posted instead of coming together to push Putin back. - THUGR

"Back" to where? Russia? That's where he is!

Quote:
This is only the pulling of the first string. His top advisors are a joke and a danger to this country's well being. It only took three weeks. You guys loved to kill Hillary for not taking national security seriously- THUGR

No, I was busting Hillary's chops for being more invested in representing Saudi Arabia's interests than ours.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

THGRRI

Saturday, March 11, 2017 6:44 AM

Julian Assange and Russia

During the press conference, Assange tried to back away from accusations linking him to Russia and said the WikiLeaks operation was “a neutral, digital Switzerland.”

However, some experts question the organization’s motives, pointing to alleged ties between WikiLeaks and Russia.

"Everything they have done over the last few months suggests they are operating as a front for a different leaker [Russia],” Ryan Kalember, SVP of Cybersecurity Strategy at Proofpoint, told the Guardian .

Kalember added the apparent ties to the Kremlin and WikiLeaks’ record of publishing identifying information about individuals has dwindled trust in the organization.

“No one in the information security community really trusts him and his motives,” he said. “I think at this point Assange is effectively acting in the service of the Russian government, whether intentionally or not,” said Kalember.

Assange has been viewed as favoring Trump after WikiLeaks released hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman John Podesta last year. Top U.S. intel officials believe Russia hacked Democrats to help President Donald Trump win the election last November. A Russian state-backed group called Cozy Bear is believed to be behind the DNC hacks last year. The release of hacked documents had a major impact on Clinton’s presidency bid, leading her to lose the election to Trump.

http://www.ibtimes.com/wikileaks-cia-news-tech-companies-question-assa
nges-help-ties-russia-2506445

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THGRRI

Tuesday, March 14, 2017 8:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

Now I know you're not supposed to feed trolls - but maybe baiting them is OK. HEY THUGGER! I just called you a troll over here! http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61366

He speaks about flooding a country with fake news. To play on peoples emotions. To feed what they perceive is wrong and incite them into destroying something rather than fixing it. That's you and SIG, 1kiki.

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6STRINGJOKER

Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
He speaks about flooding a country with fake news. To play on peoples emotions. To feed what they perceive is wrong and incite them into destroying something rather than fixing it.

THGRRI

Thursday, March 16, 2017 6:49 AM

Tell it to McCain and Graham. Or are they trolling as well when they say the same thing?

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6STRINGJOKER

Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:11 AM

I've seen a lot of destruction in the last year or two.

THGRRI

Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I also want to upend ' liberal democracy '.

Too much honesty about our leaders and their corruption!! Oh no!!
Spare me.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

Rap,

Would be ironic if Russia upended our own socialism by telling the truth about it.

It would be impossible.

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SIG says I'm a deep state troll.

oh me, oh my.

THGRRI

Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:08 PM

NATO is "no longer obsolete," President Trump declares

President Donald Trump said NATO is “no longer obsolete,” in a joint news conference Wednesday with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg after their first face-to-face meeting at the White House.

“I said it was obsolete,” Mr. Trump said. “It’s no longer obsolete.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-nato-secretary-general-meet-hold-new
s-conference-live-updates/

THGRRI

Friday, April 14, 2017 1:35 AM

I'm from New York as well dreamtorve. A state where we hunt down Russian trolls and feed them to the rats.

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, April 14, 2017 3:44 AM

You sure get a lot done from Mom's basement.

DREAMTROVE

Friday, April 14, 2017 4:15 AM

Huh. Where in NY? We have a lot of Russians here in NY, we don't hunt them down, we ask their hackers to start companies and then we give them all our money, and our private personal information.

So do you live in Trump City or Trumpland?

THGRRI

Thursday, April 20, 2017 5:58 AM

Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - documents

It recommended the Kremlin launch a propaganda campaign on social media and Russian state-backed global news outlets to encourage U.S. voters to elect a president who would take a softer line toward Russia than the administration of then-President Barack Obama, the seven officials said.

A second institute document, drafted in October and distributed in the same way, warned that Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton was likely to win the election. For that reason, it argued, it was better for Russia to end its pro-Trump propaganda and instead intensify its messaging about voter fraud to undermine the U.S. electoral system’s legitimacy and damage Clinton’s reputation in an effort to undermine her presidency, the seven officials said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-election-exclusive-idUSKB
N17L2N3

SECOND

Thursday, April 20, 2017 3:54 PM

According to Reuters, there's no evidence that the Trump campaign colluded in this. It was purely a Russian operation. Nor did the RISS plans say anything about the release of hacked emails. "The officials said the hacking was a covert intelligence operation run separately out of the Kremlin."

1) So we have the RISS plan.
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-election-exclusive-idUSKBN17L2N3

2) We have the RT cable network and the Sputnik news agency, which specialized in anti-Clinton stories. Trump knows ‘nothing about Russia,’ He just repeats their propaganda.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/10/trump-knows-nothing-about
-russia-repeats-their-propaganda.html

3) We have the email hacks, which were far more extensive than initially reported.
www.nytimes.com/2016/08/11/us/politics/democratic-party-russia-hack-cy
berattack.html

4) We have the Russian troll factory in St. Petersburg writing pro-Trump tweets under hundreds of aliases.
www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html?_r=0

5) We have thousands of Russian Twitter bots to make sure the tweets went viral.
www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/04/03/522503844/how-russia
n-twitter-bots-pumped-out-fake-news-during-the-2016-election

6) We have Fancy Bear and Cozy Bear and dozens of other covert Russian operations.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/12/new-report-says-russian-hacking
-came-russia

7) We have Guccifer 2.0.
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/dnc-hacker-guccifer-20-inte
rview

8) We have DCLeaks.com.
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-11/russian-hackers-of-dnc-said
-to-scoop-up-secrets-from-nato-soros

9) And finally, Russia appears to have used Wikileaks for maximum exposure of all its hacks.
www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/top-russians-celebrated-when-trump-won-in
tel-report-says-source-n703741

That's a pretty big operation. Did it work? We'll never know, but given how close the election was, the answer is probably yes. Probably Trump will loosen financial regulation along the same lines as Bush, then the USA can probably have another 2008 style financial collapse. Then it is kudos to Putin for his farsighted understanding of American Capitalism! You can know as much as Putin’s best advisers about how Capitalism can repeat big mistakes by watching The Big Short. www.metacritic.com/movie/the-big-short

The following video is not a spoiler because you already lived through this -- you just didn’t understand it while the crash was happening in 2008:
The Big Short and its short message summarizing the movie

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, April 21, 2017 12:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Probably Trump will loosen financial regulation along the same lines as Bush, then the USA can probably have another 2008 style financial collapse. Then it is kudos to Putin for his farsighted understanding of American Capitalism!

But we'll just overlook the quantitative easing that has been happening in 2009 that was the largest contributor to Obama doubling the national debt in 8 years while the quality of life for the average American fell.

We're already part of a major financial collapse. Those of us who don't understand how money works just don't know it yet.

SECOND

Friday, April 21, 2017 12:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

But we'll just overlook the quantitative easing that has been happening in 2009 that was the largest contributor to Obama doubling the national debt in 8 years while the quality of life for the average American fell.

We're already part of a major financial collapse. Those of us who don't understand how money works just don't know it yet.

History suggests there is a way to let the poor get richer, the rich get poorer. But you’re not going to like it
www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/04/19/history-suggests-there-
is-a-way-to-lower-inequality-but-youre-not-going-to-like-it/

Rising economic inequality in the United States has been a major animating force on both the political left and the right. Whether it is Sen. Bernie Sanders promising to rebuild blue-collar communities or President Trump pledging to "make America great again," today's political platforms often revolve around a return to the perceived "normal" of a vibrant middle class and more equitable distribution of wealth that America experienced in the 1950s, ’60s and ’70s.

Yet with a broader look at history, it's clear that period of falling inequality was the exception, and that today's increasing inequality is more a return to the norm. And when inequality did fall throughout history, Stanford University professor Walter Scheidel argues in a new book, it tended to do so for very unpleasant reasons.

In “The Great Leveler: Violence and the History of Inequality from the Stone Age to the Twenty-First Century,” Scheidel examines societies from ancient history to the present. He finds that most societies gradually grew more unequal over time, and where those inequalities were leveled out, they were almost always done so by violent forces — war, revolution or plague. The work contains some shocking lessons about the nature of inequality and what that might mean for our future.

This interview has been edited for length and clarity.

Question: We saw an unusually large drop in inequality during World War I and World War II. Has that shaped people’s perceptions of what inequality should look like?

It has. The postwar period, the ’50s, ’60s and ’70s, has become the reference point. In that period, economic growth was strong, the middle class was expanding, and inequality was low by current standards. But since the 1980s, growth has slowed, and what growth we have disproportionately benefits the famous 1 percent, at the very top at the income distribution.

That marks a real change from the postwar period, and that is understandably perceived as undesirable. But if you look at history more broadly, it’s the postwar period that was anomalous.

When Trump said, “Make America great again,” that implies there was once a period where things were better, and in people’s consciousness it is the postwar period, where you had strong economic growth, a strong middle class and low inequality. But that’s an unusual combination, and it’s difficult to see how we would get back on that track.

Question: Your book goes far back in history to study inequality. How do you study inequality in ancient societies? What can things like burials and archaeology tell us?

If you go back in time to societies that don’t even have writing, basically all you have are graves. Some people were buried with much more lavish goods than other people, suggesting that they were better off in life and held positions of power and authority.

Question: Is it possible this time could be different?

Everything’s possible. It’s just I reckon people after World War II had the same idea. They had industrialized economies for the first time, full democracy, mass education. It was a reasonable assumption that high inequality would never return. And it turned out to be untrue, because other forces reasserted themselves. Inasmuch as there are trends visible now, like technology, globalization, aging, they actually point toward greater, rather than diminished

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, April 21, 2017 1:31 AM

Things are much different this time around. We have now spent the second half of my lifetime in wars and rather than being good for the economy it is one of the largest things destroying it.

There also has never been a Central Bank system like we have today that makes losers out of all of us. And in 2009, under the Obama Administration and a new FED chief, quantitative easing was like giving the FED a booster shot of trenbolone.

Did you watch the video Second? It is pretty fascinating. It's also a non-partisan look at what our monetary system has become. I have no doubt that quantitative easing would have happened whether it was Obama or McCain in office. Doesn't matter.

JO753

Friday, April 21, 2017 2:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:He finds that most societies gradually grew more unequal over time, and where those inequalities were leveled out, they were almost always done so by violent forces — war, revolution or plague.

I suspect thats wuts going to happen.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

SECOND

Friday, April 21, 2017 4:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

I have no doubt that quantitative easing would have happened whether it was Obama or McCain in office. Doesn't matter.

If the Republicans could have their way, "easing" would not have been done because, well, you’d have to read two articles about how "easing" works and how a certain kind of economist's mind, always a Republican mind, works:
https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/20/fiscal-aspects-of-quantit
ative-easing-wonkish/
https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/02/26/quantitative-easing-and-m
onetary-aggregates/?_r=0

You know, a successful prediction is supposed to change peoples’ minds: if you’re wrong about how an experiment turned out, and someone else made a prediction you considered foolish but turned out completely right, you’re supposed to concede that just maybe, possibly, they were on to something.

The fact that essentially nobody on the Republican side of the debate has budged in the slightest tells us that whatever it is they’ve been doing, it’s not scientific research.

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, April 21, 2017 5:25 AM

I'll quote Michael, who posted on the 2nd article back in February of 2015.

Quote:
Why does the chart end in September 2007? I hate it when Krugman cherry picks his data to support his theories...

AURAPTOR

Friday, April 21, 2017 5:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:

Would be ironic if Russia upended our own socialism by telling the truth about it.

Regardless of how it happened, the Truth about the Dems and who they are has come out. And it didn't stop on election night either.

Funny thing is, by denying the Left, who ever compromised them, made the US a tougher player at the bargaining table w/ Trump than they would have had w/ Hillary. So, I have to really wonder...

If not the Russians, and not Soros, who's the puppet master behind all this ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

THGRRI

Friday, April 28, 2017 4:27 AM

Russian naval intelligence ship sinks off Turkey's Black Sea coast

ISTANBUL - A Russian naval intelligence ship sank off Turkey's Black Sea coast on Thursday after colliding with a vessel carrying livestock, and all 78 personnel on board the navy ship were evacuated, Turkish officials said.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-naval-intelligence-ship-si
nks-off-turkeys-black-sea-coast/ar-BBArkrR?ocid=BHEA000

THGRRI

Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:42 PM

Putin wants to show his citizenry that democracy is no better than what they have. It's what keeps most Russians from taking to the streets to protest for something better.

Well, as this shit plays out with Trump the checks and balances of our democracy, are showing the Russian people our system and our rule of law is much better than what Putin offers. What he offers is no better than what is offered in the Middle East; bad and corrupt government.

THGRRI

Tuesday, July 11, 2017 11:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Former Ukraine finance minister:

Russia's interference in the U.S. election was but the latest and most audacious episode in Moscow's ongoing effort to destroy liberal democracy and the Trans-Atlantic partnership, says a top Ukrainian leader. "The information attacks, the propaganda, the cyberattacks. We've lived through all the things they tested first in Ukraine," Natalie Jaresko, the country's former finance minister told David Axelrod on The Axe Files podcast, a joint production of CNN and the University of Chicago's Institute of Politics.

"It's shocking that they would take the risk of doing that in the United States. And now it appears -- I've seen reports -- Germany, France and elsewhere. "

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/natalie-jaresko-axe-files/index
.html

And Trump is his best ally in this.

I just want to keep our eye on the ball. Russia has an end game and we need to protect our way of life, and the hope of all free thinking people.

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, July 12, 2017 12:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:

Putin wants to show his citizenry that democracy is no better than what they have. It's what keeps most Russians from taking to the streets to protest for something better.

Well, as this shit plays out with Trump the checks and balances of our democracy, are showing the Russian people our system and our rule of law is much better than what Putin offers. What he offers is no better than what is offered in the Middle East; bad and corrupt government.

lol.... and the emails that Clinton had back and forth with Middle Easterners about things like the million dollar birthday president to Bill didn't bother you at all......

THGRRI

Wednesday, July 12, 2017 1:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:

Putin wants to show his citizenry that democracy is no better than what they have. It's what keeps most Russians from taking to the streets to protest for something better.

Well, as this shit plays out with Trump the checks and balances of our democracy, are showing the Russian people our system and our rule of law is much better than what Putin offers. What he offers is no better than what is offered in the Middle East; bad and corrupt government.

lol.... and the emails that Clinton had back and forth with Middle Easterners about things like the million dollar birthday president to Bill didn't bother you at all......

I should get a stamp made that allows me to stamp your responses to facts about Trumps indiscretions, fallacy of relative privation. You constantly dredge up indiscretions from the past to address harmful facts posted about Trump today. It's not only ridiculous, but you make false claims that those whom you are conversing with, finds those past indiscretions acceptable.

THGRRI

Wednesday, July 12, 2017 4:02 AM

Russia’s Bolshoi Scraps Ballet Three Days Before Premiere

MOSCOW — Russia’s Bolshoi Theater has canceled a much-anticipated ballet about dancer Rudolf Nureyev just three days before the opening night, a development that got many in Moscow’s art scene to speak of a return to censorship.

The Russian Culture Ministry on Monday confirmed reports that the decision was announced after the minister had a chat with the theater’s director but denied exerting any pressure on Russia’s legendary institution.

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/russia-s-bolshoi-scraps-ballet-
three-days-premiere-n781541

THGRRI

Saturday, July 15, 2017 3:22 AM

Kim Jong Un sends North Korean slaves to Russia to earn cash for regime

Brutal North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un is shipping tens of thousands of impoverished citizens to Russia for the hard currency his cash-strapped regime desperately needs, Fox News has found.

Alarmed human rights groups say the North Korea workers in Russia are little more than slaves, subjected to everything from cruel and violent acts to ruthless exploitation at the hands of corrupt officials, while being forced to turn over large chunks of their pay to the North Korean government.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/14/kim-jong-un-sends-north-korean
-laborers-to-russia-to-earn-cash-for-regime.html

THGRRI

Friday, July 28, 2017 10:52 PM

A Putin advisor warns Russia could face decades of low growth under US sanctions

Russia risks being saddled with U.S. sanctions for decades, curbing economic growth and preventing it from regaining its status as a leading economic power, an adviser to President Vladimir Putin said in an interview.

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-russia-risks-decades-of-low-growth-un
der-us-sanctions-putin-adviser-2017-7

THGRRI

Saturday, July 29, 2017 3:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
A Putin advisor warns Russia could face decades of low growth under US sanctions

Russia risks being saddled with U.S. sanctions for decades, curbing economic growth and preventing it from regaining its status as a leading economic power, an adviser to President Vladimir Putin said in an interview.

I believe that the future of the planet is: people who think alike about the role of government. It's a matter of time. Maybe hundreds of years though. Sad!

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The position seems to agree with the widespread impression that things are not going well in the paradigmatic liberal democracies. Generally, he endorses the claim made famous by Winston Churchill, that “democracy is the worst system of government, except for all the others.” He claims that Russia and China, and other authoritarian systems, in contrast, have little soft-power appeal. Most people wouldn't want to go and live there. The U.S. Has been the paradigm example of a large democracy in the post-WWII world, but it shows signs of wear and decay—as with some other larger-scale democracies. Fukuyama complains of “vetocracy,” not only in the U.S., but also other countries such as Greece, India and Ukraine. The idea is that power in western democracies has been “captured by elites” who can veto anything which crosses their interests; and it will take some shock to the system to get needed reforms.

Is liberal democracy in decline?. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/post/Is_liberal_democracy_in_decline/1 [accessed Jul 28, 2017].

1KIKI

Sunday, July 30, 2017 12:50 AM

The claim:

Russia wants to upend Western democracy

Or, more specifically, according to THUGGER:

Quote:
Originally posted by THUGGER:
Former Ukraine finance minister:

Russia's interference in the U.S. election was but the latest and most audacious episode in Moscow's ongoing effort to destroy liberal democracy and the Trans-Atlantic partnership, says a top Ukrainian leader. "The information attacks, the propaganda, the cyberattacks. We've lived through all the things they tested first in Ukraine," Natalie Jaresko, the country's former finance minister told David Axelrod on The Axe Files podcast, a joint production of CNN and the University of Chicago's Institute of Politics.

"It's shocking that they would take the risk of doing that in the United States. And now it appears -- I've seen reports -- Germany, France and elsewhere. "

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/natalie-jaresko-axe-files/index
.html

Addressing the innuendo that perhaps French and German elections were hacked - as usual no evidence was provided. However, since Germany's federal elections haven't been held yet (they're scheduled for 24 September 2017) it's premature to say they've 'been' hacked. As for France's elections, the NSA claims Russia hacked them. French intelligence says it doesn't appear to be a state actor, and refuses to assign it to anyone or any country. The Latest: France says no trace of Russian hacking Macron https://www.apnews.com/fc570e4b400f4c7db3b0d739e9dc5d4d

Looking into whether or not Russia 'hacked' the US election, the two major claims were based on the notion that Russia 'hacked' the DNC; and also 'hacked' Podesta's emails. However, US intelligence was never allowed to look at the DNC servers. All information came from whatever CrowdStrike released to them, and its comments made about them. And 'all' 17 US intelligence agencies didn't conclude Russia 'hacked' the servers, only 4 did, and only three with 'high confidence'. Less has been made of the Podesta emails. Buy they too weren't directly investigated by US intelligence agencies. Instead "Researchers from the Atlanta-based cybersecurity firm Dell SecureWorks" came to that conclusion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podesta_emails So both 'hacks' were attributed to Russia by private security firms; and US intelligence never directly investigated any evidence - it merely echoed both the data and conclusions it was given.

To date, there's been no public agency investigation of either server. All claims are based on second-hand (and highly selected) information provided by private cybersecurity firms.

Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

THGRRI

Friday, November 17, 2017 4:51 AM

U.K. Agency Reports Russian Hacking Across Industries

LONDON—Russia has launched cyberattacks against the U.K. media, telecommunications and energy sectors, the British government’s top cybersecurity official said, underscoring the possibility that Russian attacks on U.K. computer networks are more extensive than the government previously said.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-k-agency-reports-russian-hacking-across
-industries-1510761855?mod=rss_europe_whats_news

THGRRI

Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:06 AM

It says to protect form those who try to undermine our democracy. As I've been saying and kiki and sig have been denying. It looks like Facebook agrees with me.

T

Facebook Will Tell You Whether You Saw Russian Propaganda During The 2016 Election

The social media behemoth announced on its blog today that it is in the process of building a tool to allow users to see which posts from the Russian Internet Research Agency—now the Federal News Agency, or FAN—appeared in their feeds during the 20-month period between January 2015 and August 2016.

The move is part of the company’s “ongoing effort to protect our platforms and the people who use them from bad actors who try to undermine our democracy,” wrote a Facebook spokesperson in an un-bylined post.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/facebook-will-tell-you-whether
-you-saw-russian-propaganda-during-the-2016-election/ar-BBFvOSN

SIGNYM

Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:30 AM

THUGR wants to upend freedom of speech.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THGRRI

Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THUGR wants to upend freedom of speech.

T

You mean Facebook don't you? That is hilarious coming from a Russian troll. Someone who is trying to delegitimize the main stream media in America by claiming they are all fake news.

Yep hilarious too, because it's your guy Trump who's trying to do that as well.

THGRRI

Thursday, December 28, 2017 9:52 PM

Hey sig,Troll. When Trump is gone the bill for this will come due.

THGRRI

Monday, January 8, 2018 1:36 AM

THGRRI

Monday, January 8, 2018 3:12 AM

Russia meddling in Mexican election: White House aide McMaster

MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - The Russian government has launched a sophisticated campaign to influence Mexico's 2018 presidential election and stir up division, a senior White House official said in a video clip published by Mexican newspaper Reforma.
U.S. National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster said in a speech last month to the Washington-based Jamestown Foundation that there was already evidence of Russian meddling in Mexican elections set for July.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-meddling-mexican-election-white-hous
e-aide-mcmaster-212207196.html

T

1KIKI

Monday, January 8, 2018 3:19 AM

Yes, let's believe the CIA and the WH. It's not like they've ever lied to us in the past.

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

THGRRI

Monday, January 8, 2018 3:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Yes, let's believe the CIA and the WH. It's not like they've ever lied to us in the past.

Yep quick, Yep, 1kiki's fast defense of russia. No surprise here.

T

1KIKI

Monday, January 8, 2018 4:00 AM

I just dislike propagandized liar trolls - like you.

So, after a brief vaycay, did you decide you needed to do more to bring propaganda to the masses for 2018?

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

1KIKI

Monday, January 8, 2018 4:07 AM

CIA's Pompeo says Russia and others trying to undermine U.S. elections

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The head of the Central Intelligence Agency said on Sunday that Russia and others are trying to undermine elections in the United States, the next major one being in November when Republicans will try to keep control of Congress.

U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election to try to help President Donald Trump win, in part by hacking and releasing emails embarrassing to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, and spreading social media propaganda.

CIA Director Mike Pompeo told CBS that the Russian interference is longstanding, and continues. Asked on “Face the Nation” if Moscow is currently trying to undermine U.S. elections, Pompeo responded: “Yes sir, have been for decades.”

“Yes, I continue to be concerned, not only about the Russians, but about others’ efforts as well,” Pompeo said, without giving details. “We have many foes who want to undermine Western democracy.”

Moscow denies any meddling in the 2016 elections to help Republican Trump win. U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller is investigating whether any crimes were committed. Two Trump associates, former national security adviser Michael Flynn and campaign aide George Papadopoulos have pleaded guilty to lying to FBI agents in the probe. Trump denies any campaign collusion with Russia.

Trump has at times suggested that he accepts the U.S. intelligence agencies’ assessment that Russia sought to interfere in the election but at other times has said he accepts Russian President Vladimir Putin’s denials that Moscow meddled.

Trump has frequently spoken of wanting to improve relations with Putin, even though Russia has frustrated U.S. policy in Syria and Ukraine and done little to help Washington in its standoff with North Korea.

Pompeo told CBS that the CIA had an important function as a part of the national security team to keep U.S. elections secure and democratic. “We are working diligently to do that. So we’re going to work against the Russians or any others who threaten that very outcome,” he said.

Trump said on Saturday that he planned an active year on the campaign trail on behalf of Republican candidates running in the mid-term elections, in which all of the House of Representatives and one-third of the Senate will be up for election. Republicans hold majorities in both.

Reporting by Susan Cornwell; editing by Grant McCool
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-election/cias-pompeo-say
s-russia-and-others-trying-to-undermine-u-s-elections-idUSKBN1EW0TA

Notice anything missing from this story? (answer: What's missing is EVIDENCE.)

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

1KIKI

Monday, January 8, 2018 4:20 AM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-meddling-mexican-election-white-hous
e-aide-mcmaster-212207196.html

Russia meddling in Mexican election: White House aide McMaster

By David Alire Garcia and Noe Torres

MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - The Russian government has launched a sophisticated campaign to influence Mexico's 2018 presidential election and stir up division, a senior White House official said in a video clip published by Mexican newspaper Reforma.

U.S. National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster said in a speech last month to the Washington-based Jamestown Foundation that there was already evidence of Russian meddling in Mexican elections set for July.

"We've seen that this is really a sophisticated effort to polarize democratic societies and pit communities within those societies against each other," said McMaster in a previously unreported video clip from Dec. 15 that was posted on Twitter by a reporter with Mexican daily newspaper Reforma on Saturday.

"You've seen, actually, initial signs of it in the Mexican presidential campaign already," said McMaster, a former Army general. He did not elaborate in the clip on how Russia was seeking to influence the election.

Reforma published a story on Saturday on the comments, which have since been shared many times on social media.

President Donald Trump's senior national security aide added in the clip that the U.S. government was concerned by Russia's use of advanced cyber tools to push propaganda and disinformation.

A request for comment sent to McMaster's office at the White House and a request for comment from the Russian government in Moscow were not immediately returned on Sunday.

The Kremlin has repeatedly denied accusations by U.S. intelligence officials and others of interfering in foreign elections.

In July, Mexico will elect a new president to succeed Enrique Pena Nieto, who is barred by law from seeking a second six-year term. Congressional seats plus some governors' races will also be up for grabs.

According to opinion polls, the frontrunner in the presidential contest is the leftist former mayor of Mexico City, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, who is running on an anti-corruption platform.

Lopez Obrador, a two-time runner-up for the presidency and a divisive figure in Mexican politics for over a decade, is seen by some analysts as the Kremlin's favorite, given the positive coverage he has received from government-funded media outlets like Sputnik and Russia Today.

Both China and Russia are taking an increasing interest in Latin America as the United States, under Trump, has adopted a more protectionist stance and the future of the North America Free Trade Agreement looks uncertain.

Lopez Obrador has been a fierce critic of Pena Nieto's sweeping energy overhaul, which was favored by U.S. officials and oil companies. He has said he would seek friendly relations with the U.S. government but would demand respect.

In 2016, Russia Today's Spanish-language YouTube channel began running a weekly video blog entitled "The Battle for Mexico," hosted by a prominent supporter of Lopez Obrador, according to David Salvo at the German Marshall Fund of the United States, who has written about Russian attempts to influence politics in Latin America.

Pena Nieto's office and the foreign ministry did not immediately respond to a request for comment on McMaster's statement.

Some Mexican political commentators said that there was little reason yet to fear Russian involvement in the election.

SIGNYM

Monday, January 8, 2018 6:34 AM

Quote:
Russia wants to upend Western democracy...

... but western oligarchs got to it before the Russians did.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

AURAPTOR

Monday, January 8, 2018 5:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:

I have issues with extreme points of view myself rap. Many of those points of view come from you. However, Patton would roll over in his grave if he saw what you posted instead of coming together to push Putin back. What he represents in not democracy.

I ignored your silly post for a year, and now looking back, what have we found ?

What ' interference ' did the Russians actually do to our election ? To date, nothing. Oh, they " may have " tried , but functionally , there's nothing to show that their actions had 1 iotas worth of impact on who voted for either candidate.

Nothing.

Patton wanted to drive through Berlin and not stop until he reached Moscow. He never trusted the Russian govt. So how is it a shock to anyone that a former KGB man like Putin would change his spots ? Point is, this is nothing new ! Been going on for 70+ years.

She LOST. Get over it.

THGRRI

Monday, January 8, 2018 5:55 PM

SIGNYM

Monday, January 8, 2018 6:34 PM

The book on Trump has been rated as GOSSIP. Even people who are "quoted" in the book dispute their "quotations".

Much like the "dossier", it seems to be mostly fiction. Until people come forth, OFFICIALLY, with comments, it's a fart in an empty pair of pants.

BTW, I read an interesting comment elsewhere, about the deep state's response to Trump. Considering that I read it six months ago, I think it's prescient.

1) Russia-gate
2) If that fails, "fitness for office"
3) If that fails, assassination.

Meanwhile, "the people" STILL haven't had their concerns addressed. Yes, we have "the vote", but do we have "democracy"? (see below) What I find interesting is how you can claim to support "democracy" and still foment "regime change" of a properly-elected administration in America.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

THGRRI

Monday, January 8, 2018 11:42 PM

Johnson clashes with Russian minister over Moscow ’interference’ in UK polls

Boris Johnson has clashed publicly with his Russian counterpart over Crimea and Moscow’s alleged cyber attacks on the West, as the two men met in Moscow.

Sergey Lavrov denied claims the Kremlin had interfered in democratic elections online and accused Mr Johnson of being a "hostage" of untrue Western narratives on the issue.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/johnson-clashes-with-r
ussian-minister-over-moscow-rsquointerferencersquo-in-uk-polls-819997.html

T

THGRRI

Tuesday, January 9, 2018 3:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:

I have issues with extreme points of view myself rap. Many of those points of view come from you. However, Patton would roll over in his grave if he saw what you posted instead of coming together to push Putin back. What he represents in not democracy.

I ignored your silly post for a year, and now looking back, what have we found ?

What ' interference ' did the Russians actually do to our election ? To date, nothing. Oh, they " may have " tried , but functionally , there's nothing to show that their actions had 1 iotas worth of impact on who voted for either candidate.

Nothing.

Patton wanted to drive through Berlin and not stop until he reached Moscow. He never trusted the Russian govt. So how is it a shock to anyone that a former KGB man like Putin would change his spots ? Point is, this is nothing new ! Been going on for 70+ years.

She LOST. Get over it.

Funny, you haven't posted here but a handful of times in the last year. And that's because you constantly got your clock cleaned. You're like Jack. All ignorant opinion and no substance or facts. I see you haven't grown much.

T

1KIKI

Tuesday, January 9, 2018 7:44 AM

" You're like Jack. All ignorant opinion and no substance or facts. I see you haven't grown much. " Too funny! It's like you're talking about the troll in the mirror!

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, January 9, 2018 4:57 PM

lol... I love it when T insults me. I kind of missed it. I think it's been a week or two. The Christmas spirit must have worn off.

Thanks buddy. I knew I could count on you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, January 9, 2018 11:05 PM

Quote:
Funny, you haven't posted here but a handful of times in the last year. And that's because you constantly got your clock cleaned. You're like Jack. All ignorant opinion and no substance or facts. I see you haven't grown much.

Haven't really felt the need to post here much because Trump won. I was doing some of you snowflakes a favor by not rubbing it in your faces. It's called class. Might want to look that up in the dictionary. I find it funny that you ignore what I actually said, and then you go on to yap about facts & stuff. You know, things you totally omit in your posts?

Also, your memory of past events is truly imaginary. The likes of you were at the wrong end of the beat stick, I was the one swinging it.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

THGRRI

Wednesday, January 17, 2018 3:31 AM

Trump fueling assault on democracy, report says

President Donald Trump often claims that he has achieved unprecedented levels of success during his first year in office but a damning assessment from one non-partisan group warns that the administration's attacks on the press and brash foreign policy approach have intensified the ongoing global assault on democracy.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-fueling-assault-on-democ
racy-report-says/ar-AAuKwqJ?li=AA5a8k&ocid=spartanntp

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, January 17, 2018 6:49 AM

There has been no global assault on Democracy. There is a global assault on Globalism and the Democratic party. Huge difference.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THGRRI

Wednesday, January 17, 2018 8:26 AM

THGRRI

Thursday, January 18, 2018 1:39 AM

Sen. Jeff Flake delivers a searing indictment of Trump's war on the press

Republican Sen. Jeff Flake delivered a searing condemnation of President Donald Trump on Wednesday, specifically the way he has employed the term "fake news" to dismiss objective reality and undermine the credibility of the free press.

The Arizona Republican described how Trump had borrowed a phrase from Stalin, when he called the press "the enemy of the people." The phrase was so dangerous, Flake said, that the Soviet dictator's successor prohibited people from using it.

"So fraught with malice was the phrase 'enemy of the people,' that even Nikita Khrushchev forbade its use, telling the Soviet Communist Party that the phrase had been introduced by Stalin for the purpose of "annihilating such individuals" who disagreed with the supreme leader, the retiring lawmaker said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/17/jeff-flake-delivers-searing-condemnati
on-of-trumps-war-on-the-press.html

T

THGRRI

Thursday, January 18, 2018 1:39 AM

John McCain takes President Trump to task for his attacks on the media

Sen. John McCain has used the press to take aim at President Donald Trump's attacks on the media.

The Republican senator from Arizona penned an op-ed for The Washington Post, condemning what he views as Trump's attempts to discredit the free press.

The piece, which was published Tuesday night, was timed to coincide with the president's previously disclosed plans to hold his "Fake News Awards" on Wednesday, though it is unclear if those alleged awards will take place today or ever.

McCain specifically mentioned Trump's use of the term "fake news" and the mock awards he has touted.

"Whether Trump knows it or not, these efforts are being closely watched by foreign leaders who are already using his words as cover as they silence and shutter one of the key pillars of democracy," McCain wrote.

McCain cited statistics about violence against journalists and the 262 cases of reporters being imprisoned worldwide, as reported by the Committee to Protect Journalists.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/john-mccain-takes-president-trump-task-
attacks-media/story?id=52404580

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:35 AM

I've said it before and I will say it again. The 24 hour news stations should either voluntarily shut themselves down or completely change their format (Including FOX news). As they are right now, they are only out for ratings and are sensational garbage. Very little "reporting" that takes place on any given day can actually be called such. It is 80-90% editorializing and speculation. John Stewart knew this and I considered him a hero many years ago for how he handled it. He did "fake news" for a living and resented the hell out of people who were supposedly doing real news and making a mockery out of it.

The reason why Trump's message of "Fake News" is so resounding obviously isn't because he's a great orator or because the people like or trust him, as is evidenced by the many polls cited here all the time that talk about how low his approval ratings are.

What does that say about the state of the providers of News when overall the belief in them is at an all time low during such a presidency?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THGRRI

Thursday, January 25, 2018 8:06 PM

THGRRI

Thursday, January 25, 2018 11:57 PM

Stop with the FBI conspiracy theories Morning Joe

THGRRI

Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:19 AM

Russia 'will target US mid-term election

The director of the CIA expects that Russia will target the US mid-term elections later this year.

Mike Pompeo told the BBC there had been no significant diminishing of Russian attempts at subversion in Europe and the US.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/russia-will-target-us-mid-term
-election/ar-BBIq0f3?li=AA5a8k&ocid=spartanntp

T

THGRRI

Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:08 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:23 PM

In Soviet Russia, trail of dead Russians follow you!

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THGRRI

Thursday, February 1, 2018 8:35 PM

It's easy to spot a troll. They're always wrong

T

THGRRI

Monday, April 2, 2018 12:07 AM

Been a long time since anyone mentioned Putin so I'm bumping this thread.

T

THG

Monday, August 6, 2018 9:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:

NATO: Russian Propaganda Up Since Crimea Offensive

NATO and EU officials are increasingly worried about Russia's ability to spread disinformation via TV and internet.

By Reuters On 2/11/17

NATO accused Russia of escalating a disinformation campaign since the Kremlin's 2014 seizure of Ukraine's Crimea region, saying Russian websites such as Sputnik and RT had posted false stories, the alliance's spokeswoman said on Saturday.

There is increasing concern among senior NATO and European Union officials over Russia's ability to use television and the Internet to spread what they say is fake news.

The defense alliance of 28 democracies says it has recorded more than a score of Russian myths in the last two years which it has attempted to knock down with factsheets, interviews, rebuttals and videos.

http://europe.newsweek.com/nato-russian-propaganda-crimea-offensive-55
5724

Video below opens up in your media player. If you don't wish that then don't click on the link.

http://ps.ibt.com/2016/12/12/top-tips-1481539254.mp4

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Our allies at the time had no idea that our American president is going to give aid and comfort to the enemy, i.e. russia by attacking MATO.

T

REAVERFAN

Monday, August 6, 2018 9:39 PM

As any Trump flunky will tell you: It's easier to constantly lie than it is to have to constantly debunk your lies.

THG

Monday, August 6, 2018 9:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

Now I know you're not supposed to feed trolls - but maybe baiting them is OK.

Sure it is. I bait you all the time comrade, when I'm not ignoring you. Now, it's time to start reminding people of all the russian ties. Not just the Trump Tower meeting.

Jared Kushner gave a confusing explanation for his alleged 'back channel' plan with Russia

President Donald Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, denied in a statement Monday that he suggested setting up a "back channel" communication line to the Kremlin that would bypass US intelligence agencies and persist after Trump was inaugurated.

https://www.businessinsider.com/jared-kushner-russia-back-channel-test
imony-2017-7

T

THG

Thursday, August 9, 2018 12:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:

I have issues with extreme points of view myself rap. Many of those points of view come from you. However, Patton would roll over in his grave if he saw what you posted instead of coming together to push Putin back. What he represents in not democracy.

I ignored your silly post for a year, and now looking back, what have we found ?

What ' interference ' did the Russians actually do to our election ? To date, nothing. Oh, they " may have " tried , but functionally , there's nothing to show that their actions had 1 iotas worth of impact on who voted for either candidate.

Nothing.

Patton wanted to drive through Berlin and not stop until he reached Moscow. He never trusted the Russian govt. So how is it a shock to anyone that a former KGB man like Putin would change his spots ? Point is, this is nothing new ! Been going on for 70+ years.

She LOST. Get over it.

Special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. election between President Donald Trump and Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton has led to the indictments of 31 people and three companies — that we know of so far.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a13122012/robert-mueller-russia-
investigation-charges/

That group is composed of four former Trump advisers, 26 Russian nationals rappy with much more to come. Still think it's much ado about nothing? As I've said, Patton would roll over in his grave reading what your opinion of all this is.

T

THG

Thursday, August 9, 2018 12:53 AM

WikiLeaks: Senate Intelligence Committee wants to interview Julian Assange

According to a WikiLeaks tweet shared on Wednesday, the Senate Intelligence Committee requested founder Julian Assange agree to be interviewed as part of its 2016 election interference investigation.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/aug/8/wikileaks-senate-intel
ligence-committee-wants-inte/?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation&spotim_referrer=recirculation

How many think Assange will seek a plea deal?

T

THG

Tuesday, September 18, 2018 5:00 AM

New leak reveals that Julian Assange sought Russian visa in 2010

LONDON – A new cache of internal WikiLeaks files shows the radical transparency organization’s staffers discussed having founder Julian Assange skip bail and escape from Britain as authorities closed in on him in 2010.
One of the documents obtained by The Associated Press captures supporters considering a potential Brazilian asylum claim; another has Assange discreetly seeking a Russian visa in London.

The files provide both an intimate look at WikiLeaks and an early hint of Assange’s budding relationship with Moscow.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/09/17/julian-assange-so
ught-russian-visa-2010-new-leak-reveals/1333041002/

T

REAVERFAN

Tuesday, September 18, 2018 7:13 AM

Saw that. No wonder Trump loves him.

REAVERFAN

Thursday, September 20, 2018 7:57 AM

We Now Know More About the Apparent Poisoning of the Pussy Riot Member Pyotr Verzilov

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/we-now-know-more-about-t
he-apparent-poisoning-of-the-pussy-riot-member-pyotr-verzilov

New details have emerged in the apparent poisoning of Russian activist Pyotr Verzilov, a member of the protest-art group Pussy Riot, and they may shed light on the deaths of three Russian journalists who were shot in the Central African Republic in July. Verzilov had apparently been working with the journalists before they travelled to Africa, and before he fell ill he’d been investigating their deaths, which the Russian government said had occurred as a result of a robbery.

Verzilov, who is thirty, fell ill on September 11th. In the course of several hours, he lost his eyesight and his ability to speak, became delirious, and lost consciousness. He was hospitalized in Moscow in critical condition. Four days later, after he had stabilized, Verzilov was flown to Berlin, where he is now being treated at Charité hospital. On Tuesday, members of his German medical team held a press conference, during which they confirmed that Verzilov had probably been poisoned. He is recovering, but still hallucinating."

Ol' Pooty. Such a great guy!

I hope all the GOPniks who have pledged their allegiance to Dear Leader Putin look at this and see their own futures.

SIGNYM

Friday, September 21, 2018 12:57 PM

Russia can't "upend" Western democracy because our very own oligarchy and security state got to it first.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

THG

Sunday, September 23, 2018 4:33 AM

tick tock and then it's pay back.

T

SIGNYM

Sunday, September 23, 2018 6:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
tick tock and then it's pay back.

Oh, you gonna round up everyone that disagrees with you and stand 'em up against the wall?

Nuke Russia?

You're a bigger threat to democracy than Russia ever will be.

Here's a hint, THUGR: Russia can't "upend" our democracy, but we can manage to do for them if we react like idiots. YOU definitely seem to be heading in that direction!

What a stupid shit.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

1KIKI

Sunday, September 23, 2018 1:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
tick tock and then it's pay back.

THUGGER

You keep posting tick tock as if you think something will happen in the future.

What EXACTLY do you predict? I'm just curious to see if even you know.

As for your va-JJ persona ... How many log-in names do you have by now? Let's see ... there's your original, then there's T, then there's JJ, then there's THG ... am I missing any? Did you get all confused about your trolling IDs and which ones went where with which passwords, and have to keep inventing more?

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, September 23, 2018 5:27 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by THG:
tick tock and then it's pay back.
Oh, you gonna round up everyone that disagrees with you and stand 'em up against the wall?

Nuke Russia?

You're a bigger threat to democracy than Russia ever will be.

Here's a hint, THUGR: Russia can't "upend" our democracy, but we can manage to do for them if we react like idiots. YOU definitely seem to be heading in that direction!

What a stupid shit.

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Payback for what, is what I'm wondering.

Va-JJ seems to take everything that is happening so personally. I think that's because he's devoted the last 2 years of his life to politics and as long as things aren't going his way then he's a loser because of it. He can't even separate the core of his being from news headlines anymore.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Sunday, September 23, 2018 10:59 PM

I'm just going to add a point here: Osama bin Laden, the presumed mastermind of 9-11, had a very simple goal.

He knew that he couldn't take down the USA with his band of merrie men. But, what he COULD do is provoke us, and if we reacted stupidly.... AS WE DID ... throwing more and more (borrowed) money at the military and shredding our own Constitution ("Patriot Act") ... we could take down the USA all by ourselves.

This RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! hysteria is seeming to work out the same way: Getting people so "ideologically possessed" that they can't even listen to each other, and making censorship in the name of "freedom"(!) acceptable. Stampeding cows will run over a cliff, and so will stampeding people.

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REAVERFAN

Sunday, September 23, 2018 11:09 PM

There is no hysteria. Russian meddling worldwide is a known fact.

SIGNYM

Sunday, September 23, 2018 11:18 PM

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
There is no hysteria. Russian meddling worldwide is a known fact.

Meddling may be a "known fact" (according to you) but YOUR reaction to is - in a word- hysterical. It's YOUR hysteria that's the problem, not the meddling.

"Russia" can't do to us what we don't allow them to do.

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THG

Monday, September 24, 2018 12:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:

There is no hysteria. Russian meddling worldwide is a known fact.

Seems as though we've upset the Russians again reaverfan. And jack, jack can't even remember what the fuck we're talking about.

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, September 24, 2018 12:19 AM

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Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:

There is no hysteria. Russian meddling worldwide is a known fact.

Seems as though we've upset the Russians again reaverfan. And jack, jack can't even remember what the fuck we're talking about.

T

You're not talking about anything. You're running around like a chicken with your head cut off, constantly bitching that the sky is falling.

Tick Tock.

The elections are coming and they're not going to turn out the way that you want them to.

I think I'll quite enjoy watching you descend into madness when that happens.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Monday, September 24, 2018 12:33 AM

T

tick tock

SIGNYM
Monday, September 24, 2018 4:35 AM

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I think I'll quite enjoy watching you descend into madness when that happens. -SIX

tick tock= THUGR
Too late SIX! THUGR's already there. Apparently he's only capable of making clock noises now.

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SIGNYM
Monday, September 24, 2018 6:17 AM

This says pretty much what I was trying to say: that our own hysterical reactions will do more to destroy us than anyone from the outside can do ...

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