Trump launches missiles against Syria; more false flags planned?

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SIGNYM

Friday, April 7, 2017 9:02 AM

Trump Unleashes Military Strikes: 59 Tomahawk Missiles Hit Syria - Live Feed

Quote:
As previewed earlier tonight, the United States fired a barrage of cruise missiles into Syria on Friday morning in retaliation for this week's alleged chemical weapons attack against civilians by the Assad regime, U.S. officials said. It was the first direct American assault on the Syrian government and Donald Trump's most dramatic military order since becoming president. According to NBC, only tomahawks missiles fired, no fixed wing aircraft involved, for now.

As AP notes, the surprise strike marked a striking reversal for Trump, who warned as a candidate against the U.S. getting pulled into the Syrian civil war, now in its seventh year. But the president appeared moved by the photos of children killed in the chemical attack, calling it a "disgrace to humanity" that crossed "a lot of lines."

Well, for sure you don't need a "live feed" but you get the point

RIVERLOVE

Friday, April 7, 2017 9:08 AM

And Barry Manilow announced that he's been GAY since forever. What a week!

SIGNYM

Friday, April 7, 2017 9:41 AM

Well, several thoughts comes to mind.

A) The "chemical attack" was precipitated by the Syrian "rebels" keeping stores of Sarin in bunkers ("civil defense areas") which were bombed- and released - by Syrian warplanes. This would NOT be the first time that "Syrian rebels" used chemical weapons, nor the first time that the "Syrian rebels" and their Turkish allies created a "false flag" chemical weapons operation.

The timing is right: Syrian troops are rolling up the al-Qaida/ISIL-affiliated opposition in Idlib pretty handily, and peace is being forced on the "rebels" (mostly foreign extremists) and - as a false flag- this creates a handy breathing space for terrorists everywhere!

B) The "chemical attack" really WAS sourced in the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) and Assad. Assad, believing himself to be above consequence as a result of Tillersons's soft-on-Assad speech, launched an entirely gratuitous and unnecessary chemical weapons attack against a "civil defense" structure (i.e. hardened and weaponized dug-in fortification). Well, it doesn't make a boatload of sense to me, but... stranger things have happened.

Trump was careful to warn Russia ahead of time, so the damage was limited to Syrian troops and the "Syrian side" of the two airbases struck.

So YAY! for the neocons! They got their licks in.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

SIGNYM

Friday, April 7, 2017 9:44 AM

One thing occurs to me: Trump is trying to make headway with Xi Jingping on N Korea. Perhaps this is a warning shot against THEIR bow. Not so much Syria's.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

SIGNYM

Friday, April 7, 2017 9:56 AM

I would feel a lot more reassured if there was at least some regular communication between the Trump admin and Russia. But since "talking to Russia" is a crime equivalent to TREASON! ... at least, according to the assholes on the board ... I guess we'll just have to stumble along blindly.

Are you happy now that you got what you wanted?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

DREAMTROVE

Friday, April 7, 2017 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So YAY! for the neocons! They got their licks in.

Yep. oh well, Trump'll fry. The world will now hate us forever. Seeking citizenship elsewhere.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
One thing occurs to me: Trump is trying to make headway with Xi Jingping on N Korea. Perhaps this is a warning shot against THEIR bow. Not so much Syria's.

Neocons, fourth international. Maybe. Could be chinese targets.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/06/us-military-has-launched-more-50-than-m
issiles-aimed-at-syria-nbc-news.html

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I would feel a lot more reassured if there was at least some regular communication between the Trump admin and Russia.

There is, it's called twitter. we're so screwed.

DREAMTROVE

Friday, April 7, 2017 11:00 AM

Double post.

Good job guys, ya finally got through to Trump. Now he's yours.
In Vlad we trust. Russian trolls. (okay, I kid, but kinda down on Trump at the moment.)

ETA:
https://twitter.com/search?q=trump+russia+syria&ref_src=twsrc^goog
le|twcamp^serp|twgr^search

Lots of false narratives here. I guess stupid is the father of fake news.
And it brought us here. We're going to pay for this. Russia is going to send us the bill. Somewhere. it'll be an explosive one.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Friday, April 7, 2017 2:23 PM

Now things are really interesting

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, April 7, 2017 4:01 PM

Looks like you guys might just get that war with Russia you've been looking for the last 3 months now. Caveat Emptor.

Thanks Bana!

SHINYGOODGUY

Friday, April 7, 2017 4:43 PM

What a week indeed..........LMAO

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
And Barry Manilow announced that he's been GAY since forever. What a week!

SHINYGOODGUY

Friday, April 7, 2017 4:50 PM

Agreed....set up and executed without a hitch.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
One thing occurs to me: Trump is trying to make headway with Xi Jingping on N Korea. Perhaps this is a warning shot against THEIR bow. Not so much Syria's.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

THGRRI

Friday, April 7, 2017 6:21 PM

THGRRI

Friday, April 7, 2017 6:28 PM

It was time to embarrass Russia. We just bombed the shit out of their allie while they were in the room. So, I said, watch what happens next. We did it. I also said, lets see what the big bad Russians do.

Personally I'm terrified.

Iran

Turkey

China

North Korea

DREAMTROVE

Friday, April 7, 2017 8:06 PM

Meh. Nick. I would've gone with the pnac list, Agh, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Dudan, Yemen, Syria, Iran. But seeing as we might have just bombed a Chinese base in Syria, Maybe you're right. I think it was a move to fake out the deep state, and no actual war is coming. Of course Putin will be forced to do something to please his people, who will not be happy if he just twiddles his thumbs.

SECOND

Friday, April 7, 2017 8:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
It was time to embarrass Russia. We just bombed the shit out of their allie while they were in the room. So, I said, watch what happens next. We did it. I also said, lets see what the big bad Russians do.

Personally I'm terrified.

Iran

Turkey

China

North Korea

This is standard stuff for presidents who want to "send a message." Cruise missiles cause some damage but don't endanger any American lives. We'll see if Trump takes things any further.

Marco Rubio is on my TV right now calling this a great thing. "It's not a message, it's an actual degrading of their capabilities." If Obama had done something like this, Rubio would have contemptuously called it a pinprick.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/04/trump-bombs-syria

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Friday, April 7, 2017 8:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Of course Putin will be forced to do something to please his people, who will not be happy if he just twiddles his thumbs.

Fearing the grave risk of killing Russian military personnel on the ground in Syria, the United States military gave Russia advance notice before launching cruise missile strikes overnight on a Syrian air base that is used to store chemical weapons, according to a U.S. intelligence assessment.

Trump Surrenders Element of Surprise by Warning Russia of Planned Strike on Its Ally Syria
https://theintercept.com/2017/04/07/trump-surrenders-element-surprise-
warning-russia-planned-strike-ally-syria/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THGRRI

Friday, April 7, 2017 8:13 PM

It is a pin prick. It does however show how weak Russia is. Their allies, our bombs, they do nothing. Now, guns to the Ukraine would be a next good step.

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
It was time to embarrass Russia. We just bombed the shit out of their allie while they were in the room. So, I said, watch what happens next. We did it. I also said, lets see what the big bad Russians do.

Personally I'm terrified.

Iran

Turkey

China

North Korea
This is standard stuff for presidents who want to "send a message." Cruise missiles cause some damage but don't endanger any American lives. We'll see if Trump takes things any further.

Marco Rubio is on my TV right now calling this a great thing. "It's not a message, it's an actual degrading of their capabilities." If Obama had done something like this, Rubio would have contemptuously called it a pinprick.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/04/trump-bombs-syria

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

DREAMTROVE

Friday, April 7, 2017 8:29 PM

Second,

True, but he still has to respond, or the Russians will be upset with him.

SIGNYM

Friday, April 7, 2017 8:46 PM

Quote:
Fearing the grave risk of killing Russian military personnel on the ground in Syria, the United States military gave Russia advance notice before launching cruise missile strikes overnight on a Syrian air base that is used to store chemical weapons, according to a U.S. intelligence assessment.

"That is used to store chemical weapons, according to US intelligence assessment". I believe them because they've never lied to us before.

Yanno, having worked in a chemical weapons detection project once upon a time, I can tell you a lot about them.

First of all, Sarin, Tabun, and similar compounds are unstable. If you make them under less-than-ideal circumstances and aren't able to purify them sufficiently, not only will you have telltale impurities and side products, which can pinpoint the "batch", but will also cause the CW to degrade.

So military manufacturers add stabilizers, which also help pinpoint who made the CW, since different mfrs use different stabilizers. Also, even with stabilizers they don't have a long shelf life. It's not like Assad could have "held back" CW from the roundup in 2014 and still have them viable three years later.

Also, when investigating what happened and who is to blame, you have to look for the remnants of a delivery system: many rocket tailfins of suitable type and standard manufacture, for example, if this was sourced from the Syrian Army.

So collecting actual samples of CW residues and finding strike points of actual CW missiles would be part of reasonable investigation.

-----------

"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

DREAMTROVE

Friday, April 7, 2017 8:50 PM

Sig, it's an obvious lie, but it shows that the intel community is suddenly on board with Trump. Hmm.

KPO

Friday, April 7, 2017 8:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Meh. Nick. I would've gone with the pnac list, Agh, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Dudan, Yemen, Syria, Iran. But seeing as we might have just bombed a Chinese base in Syria, Maybe you're right. I think it was a move to fake out the deep state, and no actual war is coming. Of course Putin will be forced to do something to please his people, who will not be happy if he just twiddles his thumbs.

Such as?

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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521

KPO

Friday, April 7, 2017 8:58 PM

Trump sends a resolute signal:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-39527554

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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521

DREAMTROVE

Friday, April 7, 2017 8:58 PM

Somewhere it hurt us, an ally in the middle east. I assume the real target will be ISIS, w/o narratives is our ally, and Putin know this, and ISIS actually did the attack, probably under unofficial US orders. He won't attack Israel because it's a Russian ally as well, but he'll do something that sends a public message and one that sends a message to deep state as well, saying "look, i can be really annoying." If Putin got involved on the anti-Saudi side in Yemen, that would be deeply annoying to the PNAC crowd. I'm not sure that would speak to the Russians. Wait and see what Lavrov says, then interperet the subtext.

KPO

Friday, April 7, 2017 9:00 PM

What do people make of the fact that Russia's much-vaunted air defence systems were not even activated to defend against the strikes (despite a US-supplied pre-warning)? I can think of a couple of different reasons...

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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521

1KIKI

Friday, April 7, 2017 9:01 PM

Quote:
Now, guns to the Ukraine would be a next good step.

THUGGER, jonesing for war, extra war, and more war. Total war. Forever war. First it was bin Laden. Then the Taliban. Then Hussein. Then Yanukovych. Then Aristide. Then Gaddafi. BUT PUTIN

They're all Emmanuel Goldstein.

Care to try addressing the facts, again?

Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

DREAMTROVE

Friday, April 7, 2017 9:06 PM

KPO,

An underhanded agreement between Trump and Putin to get rid of the deep state coup. Missile defense systems are not very reliable, they would reduce they number of missiles that hit, but with 59 some would get through. And then the Americans would send more. He knew the attack was coming, if there wasn't an agreement, he would have sunk our ship.

Quote:
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov:

The Kremlin considers the American strikes against Syria an aggression against a sovereign government in violations of the norms of international law, and under a far-fetched pretext. This step by Washington is causing significant damage to Russian-American relations, which are already in a deplorable state.

DREAMTROVE

Friday, April 7, 2017 9:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Now, guns to the Ukraine would be a next good step.
THUGGER, jonesing for war, extra war, and more war. Total war. Against Emmanuel Goldstein.

1kiki,

Yep, we got that. It answers that question. Second too, I'm afraid. So they were only anti-Trump because they were pro-war. Now we've settled that.

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, April 7, 2017 11:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Looks like you guys might just get that war with Russia you've been looking for the last 3 months now. Caveat Emptor.

Do you know what Caveat Emptor means?

And who are "you guys"? Seriously Jack, if you just going to post lies, sorry, "untruths," I'll go back to ignoring your posts - we have too many liars already.

BTW - EVERYONE - it's too early to call this good, nothing, or bad. It's definitely interesting though.

It means let the buyer beware.

"You guys" are exactly what it sounds like.

By all means, go back to ignoring my posts.

THGRRI

Friday, April 7, 2017 11:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Second,

True, but he still has to respond, or the Russians will be upset with him.

russia

THGRRI

Friday, April 7, 2017 11:09 PM

russia

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Now, guns to the Ukraine would be a next good step.
THUGGER, jonesing for war, extra war, and more war. Total war. Against Emmanuel Goldstein.

1kiki,

Yep, we got that. It answers that question. Second too, I'm afraid. So they were only anti-Trump because they were pro-war. Now we've settled that.

THGRRI

Friday, April 7, 2017 11:14 PM

Reduce the number of dreamtrove, not reduce they number of. We are playing the game you started are we not?

Sunk our ship, really, I don't think so. We have troops in Syria, lets see what happens.

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
KPO,

An underhanded agreement between Trump and Putin to get rid of the deep state coup. Missile defense systems are not very reliable, they would reduce they number of missiles that hit, but with 59 some would get through. And then the Americans would send more. He knew the attack was coming, if there wasn't an agreement, he would have sunk our ship.

Quote:
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov:

The Kremlin considers the American strikes against Syria an aggression against a sovereign government in violations of the norms of international law, and under a far-fetched pretext. This step by Washington is causing significant damage to Russian-American relations, which are already in a deplorable state.

THGRRI

Friday, April 7, 2017 11:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Yanno, having worked in a chemical weapons detection project once upon a time, I can tell you a lot about them.

1KIKI

Friday, April 7, 2017 11:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
russia

Care to try addressing the facts, again?

Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

1KIKI

Friday, April 7, 2017 11:26 PM

BTW THUGGER, which idiot hillbilly are you?

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:

Care to try addressing the facts, again?

Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

THGRRI

Friday, April 7, 2017 11:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
russia

Care to try addressing the facts, again?

Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

Sure; The Truth about Russian Trolls: http://bit.ly/2nwoDoz

1KIKI

Friday, April 7, 2017 11:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Now things are really interesting

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61554 The UN investigation on Ghouta 2013 did NOT identify a perpetrator.
http://undocs.org/en/A/67/997

However, UN investigations into multiple potential chemical attacks did reveal that the 'opposition' used chemical weapons.
http://undocs.org/A/68/663

Magons

It appears you can't handle facts. According to the first UN report, there was zero evidence Assad 'gassed his own people' at Ghouta. But there is evidence that the 'opposition', as the UN calls them, had - and probably still has - the ability to manufacture chemical weapons, and has been conclusively shown in the second UN report to have used them in the past.

Now, I'm sure you believed what you were told: Assad is a really bad guy who used chemical weapons on civilians. And you believed that despite decades of experience that western governments routinely propagandize their own citizens (like for example, Hussein's WMDs. You do remember that, don't you?) And yet, DESPITE available evidence that you've been lied to, intensively and deliberately, on multiple occasions, even in the very recent past (Assad 'gassed his own people, a claim made over and over with zero evidence to back it up, and discredited by the UN), you then chose to believe the propaganda about this event as well.

So, now let me point out there is also ZERO evidence Assad did this.

There is ZERO reason for him to have done it.

And there is EVERY reason for the US Deep State to launch a false flag attack to further its agenda.

Now, I'm not going to point out exactly how your belief in the government's portrayal of this event calls into question your memory, intelligence, honesty, and sanity. I'll let you reflect on that yourself.

Care to try addressing the facts, again?

Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, April 8, 2017 1:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Looks like you guys might just get that war with Russia you've been looking for the last 3 months now. Caveat Emptor.

Do you know what Caveat Emptor means?

And who are "you guys"? Seriously Jack, if you just going to post lies, sorry, "untruths," I'll go back to ignoring your posts - we have too many liars already.

BTW - EVERYONE - it's too early to call this good, nothing, or bad. It's definitely interesting though.

It means let the buyer beware.

"You guys" are exactly what it sounds like.

By all means, go back to ignoring my posts.

Ok, so you're going to go with lying. That's definitely the unifying trait amongst you guys.When you're not smart enough to out think someone, you can always fall back on telling the bigger lies.

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The Truth about Russian Trolls: http://bit.ly/2nwoDoz

LOL... There he goes with the intelligence thing again. Where on earth did you get the silly little idea that you were gifted with any large amount of it? That's cute.

I'm still waiting for you to point out whatever lie it is that I'm supposedly telling here.

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, April 8, 2017 3:51 AM

He hasn't been cleared for intelligence, he's only aloud to retweet. And possibly suwwendew.

THGRRI

Saturday, April 8, 2017 4:30 AM

1KIKI

Saturday, April 8, 2017 4:39 AM

Yep. Just like GWB did with Iraq.

And that turned out so well.

Care to try addressing the facts, again?

Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, April 8, 2017 4:49 AM

Putin's response is to beef up his Syrian forces, so if we do more in Syria, he says he's concerned that we might run into one another.

It's curious how quickly everyone switches sides when the shooting starts.

SIGNYM

Saturday, April 8, 2017 9:15 AM

Well, this event DOES let us sort out the sheep from the goats

AGAINST

AMERICAN POLITICIANS
Bernie Sanders "If the last 15 years have shown anything, it’s that such engagements are disastrous for American security, for the American economy, and for the American people."

Tulsi Gabbard former US Army Major ‘reckless’, ‘short-sighted’, "unconstitutional'

Seth Moulton (D-MA), former Marine Corps officer 'So @POTUS cares enough about the Syrian people to launch 50 Tomahawks but not enough to let the victims of Assad find refuge & freedom here.'

Ted Lieu (D-CA), colonel in the Air Force reserves 'this is UNCONSTITUTIONAL'

Rand Paul ‘The United States Was Not Attacked’

Tom Massie "big mistake'

Justin Amash 'departure from Constitution'

Tim Kaine "unlawful"

EU POLITICIANS
Farage ““I am very surprised by this. I think a lot of Trump voters will be waking up this morning and scratching their heads and saying, ‘where will it all end? ... Previous interventions in the Middle East have made things worse rather than better”

Paul Nutall (Farage's successor) “rash, trigger happy, nonsensical and will achieve nothing.”

le Pen "Is it too much to ask to wait for the results of an independent international investigation (into Tuesday's attack) before carrying out this kind of strike?"

FORMER TRUMP SUPPORTERS
Paul Joseph Watson "I guess Trump wasn't "Putin's puppet" after all, he was just another deep state/Neo-Con puppet"

Cernovich "Today over 500,000 people have watched my videos and streams. 90% are @realDonaldTrump supporters, none want war with Syria"

Anne Coulter "The beloved rebels we'll help by intervening in Syria: women forced into veils & posters of Osama hung on the walls."

Laura Ingraham "Missiles flying. Rubio's happy. McCain ecstatic. Hillary's on board. A complete policy change in 48 hrs."

Breitbart supporters "I keep reading these Breitbart comments on Syria. Eight thousand new ones in just a few minutes. They are very angry at Trump." [NO SHIT!]

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

THGRRI

Saturday, April 8, 2017 9:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, April 8, 2017 5:02 PM

Sig,

Yes, I initially thought our liberals were misinformed doves, but now I see that they are fairly well informed hawks, who just try to hide the fact that they are hawks, and that is their primary agenda. They probably have the old liberal standbys like population control.

Tim Kaine is not being insightful here, he's being a douche, because Trump. Rand Paul is actually taking a stand. Against war, rather than against Trump. Rand isn't the sharpest tool in the shed either, but his dad is helping.

SIGNYM

Saturday, April 8, 2017 6:16 PM

Quote:
Yanno, having worked in a chemical weapons detection project once upon a time, I can tell you a lot about them.

First of all, Sarin, Tabun, and similar compounds are unstable. If you make them under less-than-ideal circumstances and aren't able to purify them sufficiently, not only will you have telltale impurities and side products, which can pinpoint the "batch", but will also cause the CW to degrade.

So military manufacturers add stabilizers, which also help pinpoint who made the CW, since different mfrs use different stabilizers. Also, even with stabilizers they don't have a long shelf life. It's not like Assad could have "held back" CW from the roundup in 2014 and still have them viable three years later.

Also, when investigating what happened and who is to blame, you have to look for the remnants of a delivery system: many rocket tailfins of suitable type and standard manufacture, for example, if this was sourced from the Syrian Army.

So collecting actual samples of CW residues and finding strike points of actual CW missiles would be part of reasonable investigation.- SIGNY

Sig, it's an obvious lie, but it shows that the intel community is suddenly on board with Trump. Hmm. - DT

Or Trump suddenly caved in to the deep state.

Did you notice that his sworn enemies- McStain, CNN, NYT, MSNBC, Graham, and the rest of the warhawks are suddenly lauding Trump? No more RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! in the media, NO MORE LEAKS, no more constant-yammering-hysteria? Suddenly, the cone of silence on the topic?

Trump became President last night Oh, not the day he was elected??? Disgusting and sickening of the media. Assholes.

I wonder... will the various "investigations" into "Russia's role" in our elections, and "Trump's ties to Russia" die a quiet death? Will the media faucet of hysteria be shut off for good? Or will the deep state and its complicit press turn on the taps again, if Trump should stray off the path? And will the masses once again believe the press if it should pull a ANOTHER U-turn?

And what does this mean for his other foreign policy measures? Will he cave on future trade deals?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

THGRRI

Saturday, April 8, 2017 6:48 PM

U.S. vows to ramp up pressure on Assad in wake of missile strike

The United States is vowing to keep up the pressure on Syria after the intense nighttime wave of missile strikes from U.S. ships, despite the prospect of escalating Russian ill will that could further inflame one of the world’s most vexing conflicts.

The Trump administration signaled Friday that the U.S. could follow this week’s missile attack with new sanctions against Syria, CBS News senior foreign affairs correspondent Margaret Brennan reports.

Standing firm, the Pentagon was even probing whether Russia itself was involved in the chemical weapons assault that compelled President Trump to action. The attack against a Syrian air base was the first U.S. assault against the government of President Bashar Assad.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-vows-to-ramp-up-pressure-on-assad-in-w
ake-of-missile-strike/

KPO

Saturday, April 8, 2017 6:51 PM

Sig you voted for unpredictability in the form of DJT, and unpredictability is what you got

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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521

THGRRI

Saturday, April 8, 2017 7:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:
Sig you voted for unpredictability in the form of DJT, and unpredictability is what you got

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SIG fought tooth and nail here preaching Trump should be elected president because she believed it would be best for Russia. Trump just said

russia.

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, April 8, 2017 7:48 PM

lol... T spent 3 months trying to convince the RWED that Putin had his hand up Trumps ass.

T doesn't have any idea what his purpose is from day to day.

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, April 8, 2017 8:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Yes, I initially thought our liberals were misinformed doves, but now I see that they are fairly well informed hawks, who just try to hide the fact that they are hawks, and that is their primary agenda.

I asked Jack this same question and he replied with a lie (of course). How 'bout you?

Who are the liberals who are now hawks on this board?
The Truth about Russian Trolls: http://bit.ly/2nwoDoz

What question? Who are the liberals who are now hawks?

What lie did I tell? You're having an imaginary conversation. I have no idea what you're even talking about. Show me where you asked me that question.

EDITED TO ADD:

I've got no reason to lie. Show me the lies that I've said on this board. You might not agree with me, but that doesn't mean I'm lying.

KPO

Saturday, April 8, 2017 9:31 PM

So Trump attacked Assad. What now?

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/trump-strike-syria-what
-next-215003

Quote:

A core dynamic at play here pertains to Russia, which was warned of U.S. plans to attack Al-Shayrat but whose entire presence in Syria is predicated on propping up Assad and covering for his criminal actions. In the immediate aftermath of the chemical attack on Khan Sheikhoun, a humiliated Russia was forced to concoct an illogical story, every facet of which was either swiftly disproved or dismissed as laughable by experts and journalists on the ground. With U.S. intelligence now investigating whether Russia had been involved in the use of chemical weapons in Khan Sheikhoun, Russia’s emphatic rhetoric and talk of threats is almost certainly cover for its lack of options and the fact that it finds itself having to blindly protect a global pariah.

...

Foreign intervention for rapid regime change promises only further chaos, but determined U.S. leadership backed up by the credible and now proven threat of force presents the best opportunity in years to strong-arm actors on the ground into a phase of meaningful de-escalation, out of which eventually, a durable negotiation process may result. This is something Obama never understood: His efforts to broker peace failed because he refused even to consider threatening war. Every feeble threat given from an Obama podium effectively amounted to a further emboldening of the Assad regime’s sense of immunity and its free hand to murder its people en masse.

...

if anything is now clear, it is that the U.S. has more freedom of action in Syria than the Obama administration was ever willing to admit. Opponents of limited U.S. intervention who have long and confidently pronounced the inevitability of conflict with Russia are now faced with the reality that Moscow failed to lift a finger when American missiles careered toward Assad regime targets. For now, that discovery was made through a tactical reaction to a brazen war crime, but a holistic strategy must now be developed that treats all threats emanating from Syria as individual components of a single problem: the Assad regime.

...

But ISIS is the bastard child of Assad’s misrule: Syria will never be stable while he remains in power and the longer he sticks around, the more extremists will reap the rewards of his brutality by escaping from justice and ensuring their narratives thrive among the disenfranchised.

The choice is not and has never been a binary one between Assad and ISIS, as some have tried to claim. Syria remains a country of many communities and many perspectives. Of a population of roughly 23 million people, no more than 20,000 (0.09 percent) have chosen to join Al Qaeda or ISIS, according to privately discussed estimates held by U.S. intelligence officials. Therefore, U.S. policy is best served by securing a future for the remaining 99.91 percent. With newfound leverage and a growing coalition of countries announcing their support for stronger action on Assad, the U.S. has an opportunity now to set Syria on a path toward something better. It will take time and resources, and likely many more risks, but that must surely hold better prospects than leaving the country to war criminals and their blind defenders.

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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521

KPO

Saturday, April 8, 2017 9:43 PM

How Trump's strikes play into Putin's hands:

http://www.politico.eu/article/how-trumps-syria-strikes-play-into-puti
ns-hand/

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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521

KPO

Saturday, April 8, 2017 10:13 PM

A point about the bombing of one of the hospitals treating the victims of the chemical attack:

Quote:

American intelligence officials also suspect that an attempt might have been made to frustrate efforts to gather evidence of a chemical assault. After victims were rushed to a hospital, a small drone appeared overhead before disappearing. About five hours later, the drone returned and another airstrike hit the medical center; American officials do not know if the drone or the second strike was launched by Syria or Russia.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/world/middleeast/american-military-
pentagon.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fmiddleeast

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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521

SIGNYM

Saturday, April 8, 2017 10:28 PM

Quote:
Sig you voted for unpredictability in the form of DJT, and unpredictability is what you got- KRAPO

I voted for Trump for three things. This was NOT one of them.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, April 8, 2017 11:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:
A point about the bombing of one of the hospitals treating the victims of the chemical attack:

Quote:

American intelligence officials also suspect that an attempt might have been made to frustrate efforts to gather evidence of a chemical assault. After victims were rushed to a hospital, a small drone appeared overhead before disappearing. About five hours later, the drone returned and another airstrike hit the medical center; American officials do not know if the drone or the second strike was launched by Syria or Russia.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/world/middleeast/american-military-
pentagon.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fmiddleeast

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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521

KPO,

I'm going to go with Israel. Based on nothing. But here it is.

DT, Zionist jew, yes, is finally blaming Israel for something, out of nowhere. (I know i've done it before, but not in over a decade.)

Israel is knee deep in ISIS, and they have drones. Here's the thing that a lot of conspriacy theories don't get: In order to have a technology in war, you don't just need to know it, you need to have perfected it. I suspect Russia is not there yet, and I know Syria isn't, with drones. Russia can't do anything without us knowing about it, because Russians will talk, to each other, about it.Also, no motive. Russia claimed responsibility for the attack, they didn't have a reason to hide who it was. Neither Russia nor Syria had Sarin on site, so the attack was almost certainly ISIS, so the drone strike had to cover up who it was, and those who did it would need to be involved in the cover up. In the Syria did the gas attack side there's Iran, but it's unlikely that Iran's drones are combat ready.

So, it has to be someone who would cover for ISIS. I'm going to go out on a limb and say ISIS doesn't have combat ready drones. Someone supporting ISIS does. ISIS supporters are Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Israel. Israel has armed drones. Almost no one has armed drones, most drones are surveillance. So, Israel has them because we gave them to Israel. And, Israel is on board with the PNAC plan to get rid of Assad.

Lastly, someone has to fly into this space to do the attack, which means they have to have the tacit okay of someone who is already there. That probably cuts out the Saudis. I definitely cuts out Iran.

Ergo, Motive, Mean and Opportunity leaves me with one suspect: Israel. I think that this logic which has been used to solve crimes for centuries, is pretty solid, and there's not going to be a better answer. Maybe the UN will find something.

And yeah, I know you believe the narrative, but that don't make it so.

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, April 8, 2017 11:41 PM

Okay, I'll bite. Sig, which three?

1KIKI

Saturday, April 8, 2017 11:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
SIG fought tooth and nail here preaching Trump should be elected president because she believed it would be best for Russia. Trump just said russia.

I'm sure you can find a quote to back that up. Or are you lying ... AGAIN?

Care to try addressing the facts, again?

Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

1KIKI

Saturday, April 8, 2017 11:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Here's the thing that a lot of conspriacy theories don't get: In order to have a technology in war, you don't just need to know it, you need to have perfected it. I suspect Russia is not there yet, and I know Syria isn't, with drones. Russia can't do anything without us knowing about it, because Russians will talk, to each other, about it.Also, no motive. Russia claimed responsibility for the attack, they didn't have a reason to hide who it was. Neither Russia nor Syria had Sarin on site, so the attack was almost certainly ISIS, so the drone strike had to cover up who it was, and those who did it would need to be involved in the cover up. In the Syria did the gas attack side there's Iran, but it's unlikely that Iran's drones are combat ready.

So, it has to be someone who would cover for ISIS. I'm going to go out on a limb and say ISIS doesn't have combat ready drones. Someone supporting ISIS does. ISIS supporters are Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Israel. Israel has armed drones. Almost no one has armed drones, most drones are surveillance. So, Israel has them because we gave them to Israel. And, Israel is on board with the PNAC plan to get rid of Assad.

Lastly, someone has to fly into this space to do the attack, which means they have to have the tacit okay of someone who is already there. That probably cuts out the Saudis. I definitely cuts out Iran.

Ergo, Motive, Mean and Opportunity leaves me with one suspect: Israel. I think that this logic which has been used to solve crimes for centuries, is pretty solid, and there's not going to be a better answer. Maybe the UN will find something.

And yeah, I know you believe the narrative, but that don't make it so.

Thanks for the interesting post.

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, April 9, 2017 3:09 AM

That's what I thought G.

Don't go around calling me a liar.

SIGNYM

Sunday, April 9, 2017 7:38 AM

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, April 9, 2017 8:20 AM

I like Stefan. I haven't bought into anarchy yet, and I don't imagine I will anytime soon, but I do agree with some of the points he brings up a lot like the non-aggression principal and I am a fan of much smaller government in general.

I haven't watched this one yet. I'll get back to you.

RIVERLOVE

Sunday, April 9, 2017 9:01 AM

Firing 59 Tomahawks cost almost $100 million dollars. I coulda been set-for-life with just a tiny fraction of that. What a gorram waste.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/heres-firing-59-tomahawk-missiles-035600
272.html

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, April 9, 2017 10:42 AM

Sig,

Yes, alas, I had that thought. If that's true, then yes, the media nonsense faucet will now turn off.

I heard that "Became president last night" after his speech also, so that might be deep state bait. We'll see.

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, April 9, 2017 10:50 AM

I watched it, and the one he made on the 6th. (Well I listened to it while working on one of my projects. I don't really care to stare somebody in the face who isn't really there while they talk at me for 30 minutes).

Seems I wasn't that far off the mark when I was talking about the MSM and using Bana, the 7 year old girl who was telling the world who was responsible for the attacks to start another war.

I recommend everybody just STFU for a couple of days and see what happens and use that time to do some deep thinking about exactly what it is you want and what it is you're fighting against. I really don't think it's each other.

I may be wrong, but I think they just tried to flip the script on us again. The Democrats were the party against war for many decades until the Post GWB world. Obama was President in a time where the Democrats were in wars every day he was in office. This almost seems like they played us and handed those keys to the war machine over to Trump now, all the while we're still fighting like cats and dogs, but even worse now since we're just confused as fuck about all of this.

SIGNYM

Sunday, April 9, 2017 6:35 PM

Quote:
I like Stefan.

Mmmm... can't say that I feel the same. People (THGUR, GSTRING, others) tend to assume that because somebody posts one thing from one source they agree with everything from that source ... What are they- children? They can't distinguish between various discrete opinions of an individual, and the individual him/herself? So let me be clear- I don't agree with everything Stefan says.

Quote:
I haven't bought into anarchy yet, and I don't imagine I will anytime soon, but I do agree with some of the points he brings up a lot like the non-aggression principal and I am a fan of much smaller government in general.

Then we're on the same page.

Stefan in this case expressed my response to the USA missile attack on Syria with the same anger that I feel.

In my opinion, it's a terrible mistake, and an expression of the same war-mongering hubris that got us into the mess we're in.

As far as I can tell, this attack was just as phony as the "Assad gassed his own people in Ghouta" story. One telling point- for those who have not bothered to look into the evidence - is that the "rescuers" were handling the "victims" with bare hands.

If the CW agent were really Sarin, the "rescuers" themselves would have been dead. That is an .incontrovertible. fact. Ergo, everyone who says it was "sarin" is lying or mistaken.

So, shooting missiles at somebody who probably wasn't the perpetrator. There are a few reasons why that might happen, and none of them good:

Trump was overtaken by emotion. I guess I shouldn't have to explain why that's bad.

Trump was fooled by his intelligence staff. I shouldn't have to explain that that's a problem both on the spook side and the Presidential side.

Trump decided to sacrifice a few Syrians and his ability to work with Russia in the future to get the neocons/ deep state/ complicit press off his back. Well, strategically that was another mistake, and ethically corrupt.

The deep state directly threatened Trump or his family. Well, I was hoping that Trump was made of sterner stuff. You shouldn't go into that job without knowing the risks involved. The last President who threatened to take on the deep state was assassinated.

Trump was a warmonger and deep-stater all along, and doesn't represent any different policy than Hillary.

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My impression, and it's just my impression, is that the deep state applies tremendous pressure that WE can't see. Many events in foreign policy seemed to come as a surprise to Obama, and I think Trump is being bent to the MIC/ deep state/ globalist will too. (The Clintons were always on-board.)

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

SIGNYM

Sunday, April 9, 2017 7:16 PM

Quote:
Trump’s ‘Wag the Dog’ Moment

Just two days after news broke of an alleged poison-gas attack in northern Syria, President Trump brushed aside advice from some U.S. intelligence analysts doubting the Syrian regime’s guilt and launched a lethal retaliatory missile strike against a Syrian airfield.

Trump immediately won plaudits from Official Washington, especially from neoconservatives who have been trying to wrestle control of his foreign policy away from his nationalist and personal advisers since the days after his surprise victory on Nov. 8.

There is also an internal dispute over the intelligence. On Thursday night, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said the U.S. intelligence community assessed with a “high degree of confidence” that the Syrian government had dropped a poison gas bomb on civilians in Idlib province.

But a number of intelligence sources have made contradictory assessments, saying the preponderance of evidence suggests that Al Qaeda-affiliated rebels were at fault, either by orchestrating an intentional release of a chemical agent as a provocation or by possessing containers of poison gas that ruptured during a conventional bombing raid.

One intelligence source told me that the most likely scenario was a staged event by the rebels intended to force Trump to reverse a policy, announced only days earlier, that the U.S. government would no longer seek “regime change” in Syria and would focus on attacking the common enemy, Islamic terror groups that represent the core of the rebel forces.

The source said the Trump national security team split between the President’s close personal advisers, such as nationalist firebrand Steve Bannon and son-in-law Jared Kushner, on one side and old-line neocons who have regrouped under National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster, an Army general who was a protégé of neocon favorite Gen. David Petraeus.

In this telling, the earlier ouster of retired Gen. Michael Flynn as national security adviser and this week’s removal of Bannon from the National Security Council were key steps in the reassertion of neocon influence inside the Trump presidency. The strange personalities and ideological extremism of Flynn and Bannon made their ousters easier, but they were obstacles that the neocons wanted removed.

Though Bannon and Kushner are often presented as rivals, the source said, they shared the belief that Trump should tell the truth about Syria, revealing the Obama administration’s CIA analysis that a fatal sarin gas attack in 2013 was a “false-flag” operation intended to sucker President Obama into fully joining the Syrian war on the side of the rebels — and the intelligence analysts’ similar beliefs about Tuesday’s incident.

Instead, Trump went along with the idea of embracing the initial rush to judgment blaming Assad for the Idlib poison-gas event. The source added that Trump saw Thursday night’s missile assault as a way to change the conversation in Washington, where his administration has been under fierce attack from Democrats claiming that his election resulted from a Russian covert operation.

If changing the narrative was Trump’s goal, it achieved some initial success with several of Trump’s fiercest neocon critics, such as neocon Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham, praising the missile strike, as did Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

McStain ... what a storm-crow. Wherever he goes, death and destruction follow in a few weeks. But when all of those assholes line up on your side... maybe you should change sides.

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The neocons and Israel have long sought “regime change” in Damascus even if the ouster of Assad might lead to a victory by Islamic extremists associated with Al Qaeda and/or the Islamic State.

Trump employing a “wag the dog” strategy, in which he highlights his leadership on an international crisis to divert attention from domestic political problems, is reminiscent of President Bill Clinton’s decision to attack Serbia in 1999 as impeachment clouds were building a

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6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, April 9, 2017 7:26 PM

Yeah. I too have been going over all of the reasons why Trump would have done that. None of them are good.

One way or another, we're all being played again. We may never see a time of peace again in my lifetime.

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, April 9, 2017 7:39 PM

I kinda feel like the agenda monkeys are willing to take out anyone who opposes them, including the president, and he'll just drag his heels as he goes down agenda road. But I suspect that's for the best. If they got rid of him all the useful idiots would jump for joy.

THGRRI

Sunday, April 9, 2017 8:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
I kinda feel like the agenda monkeys are willing to take out anyone who opposes them, including the president, and he'll just drag his heels as he goes down agenda road. But I suspect that's for the best. If they got rid of him all the useful idiots would jump for joy.

SIGNYM

Monday, April 10, 2017 2:12 PM

Best analysis so far. I thought this part described the Trump pattern very well:

Both Trump and Tillerson are hard-nosed negotiators who know how operate under pressure. Trump, in particular, is a billionnaire largely by the dint of being an obstinate, almost unreasonable negotiator not afraid of brinksmanship. The same can be said of Tillerson’s tenure at Exxon. These two are not in the business of giving “freebies” to the competitors, and any letting down of the guard in Syria and elsewhere would be just that–a freebie. Setting up an unrealistic set of initial demands is part of Trump’s negotiating style, one that we have also seen in his rhetoric aimed at China and in the “bill” for NATO services given to Angela Merkel. Any concession down from “Assad must go” will therefore have to be paid for with Russian and Syrian concessions elsewhere. ...

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The Shayrat Incident: What is Donald Trump thinking???

By J.Hawk

Given the complexities of both international and domestic US politics, the US cruise missile strike on the Shayrat Airbase in the Homs Province in Syria cannot be subjected to causal reductionism. It is highly unlikely the decision was made on the basis of a single set of considerations. Rather, it was the outcome of several overlapping sets of problems with which the Trump Administration is coping right now. One can clearly argue and disagree over the relative importance of these factors. However, one should not deny all of them are present in the mind of Donald Trump (because yes, he has one) and in the minds of his cabinet and advisers. So, in no particular order:

“Only Nixon could go to China”

That’s because of Nixon’s impeccable McCarthyite credentials which meant that no matter what he did, he would not be treated as an appeaser at home. Even, in effect, giving away all of South Vietnam did not hurt his standing with the conservatives. Trump has no such credentials–he is a “Russian agent”, remember? But now that, in the words of Fareed Zakaria, Trump has become president, that cloud seems to be dissipating. Furthermore, even Nixon felt that before engaging in Vietnam negotiations he needed to escalate the war, which he did with enormous human costs. One of the demands of the US hegemony is the maintenance of the fiction that, no matter what the negotiation is, the US always negotiates from the position of strength. The demonstrated US ability to strike a Syrian military target in spite of Russian objections–though with a warning of several hours which evidently was necessary to avert a Russian retaliation–gives Trump the ability to reclaim that position of strength in the eyes of the US public. This is admittedly a rather optimistic interpretation–we’ll see whether the Trump team uses it in order to actually pursue negotiations in good faith. The calm Russian reaction so far, which after all included non-interference with the US strike, suggests that maybe the Kremlin understands Trump’s predicament.

The reason you don’t generally hit runways is that they are easy and inexpensive to quickly fix (fill in and top)!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 8, 2017

China is watching

With China’s president being in the US even as the cruise missiles were raining on Syria, one can’t help thinking he was also an intended recipient of this message. Let’s not forget the US is placing ABM systems in South Korea and is threatening unilateral military action against North Korea unless China does something to make North Korea behave in accordance with US preferences.

The Swamp drained Trump

It is also unquestionable that Trump has been very effectively “tamed” by the establishment. Nearly every one of his promises is now highly unlikely to be implemented, be it health care reform, tax reform, immigration reform, boosting manufacturing, the trillion dollar infrastructure program…and the end to the war in Syria combined with reconciliation with Russia. While that does not necessarily mean that neoconservatives, neoliberals, and globalists have entirely taken over

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DREAMTROVE

Monday, April 10, 2017 6:56 PM

Sig, I think this is his negotiation with the deep state, much more than with Syria. "I'll do this much" meaning posture against Assad. They'll keep pushing of course.

THGRRI

Tuesday, April 11, 2017 4:37 AM

Yeah Ok, You guys done spinning? May I interrupt? Here is some more reporting on the subject.
Shit, them pesky non-governmentally controlled reporters, huh guys. OK, back to spinning.

Official: Russia knew in advance of Syrian chemical attack

WASHINGTON — The United States has concluded Russia knew in advance of Syria's chemical weapons attack last week, a senior U.S. official said Monday.

The official said a drone operated by Russians was flying over a hospital as victims of the attack were rushing to get treatment. Hours after the drone left, a Russian-made fighter jet bombed the hospital in what American officials believe was an attempt to cover up the usage of chemical weapons.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/official-russia-knew-in-advance-of
-syrian-chemical-attack/ar-BBzFdx8?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=BHEA000

6STRINGJOKER

Tuesday, April 11, 2017 5:02 AM

Seems pretty irresponsible for MSN to title an article "Official: Russia knew Syrian chemical attack was coming" when the official offers no proof of it and hides anonymously. Then the very next paragraph says another (unnamed) official says that no determination about it has been made. lol

The real question is, why would Assad have gassed his citizens? What was there to gain from doing so? He had nothing to gain and everything to lose.

Looks like possibly the MSM/Globalists/Neocon/Neolibs now have control over Trump. He's yours now T. You win!

RIVERLOVE

Tuesday, April 11, 2017 9:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

The real question is, why would Assad have gassed his citizens? What was there to gain from doing so? He had nothing to gain and everything to lose.

Why? Why not? He's a madman, a bloodthirsty brute who used chemical weapons many times before without any consequences. He figured he has his Russian pals there to protect him, and the gutless all-talk West would never act, so there was nothing to lose. His "gain" was that he could do it, and the joy he gets from seeing dead kids. The fact that Russia, Syria, and Iran are criticizing Trump for responding but staying mum on gassing children tells you just how fucked-up these psychotic gangsters are.

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Looks like possibly the MSM/Globalists/Neocon/Neolibs now have control over Trump.

Not at all, but of course you know that.

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, April 11, 2017 10:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

The real question is, why would Assad have gassed his citizens? What was there to gain from doing so? He had nothing to gain and everything to lose.

Why? Why not? He's a madman, a bloodthirsty brute who used chemical weapons many times before without any consequences. He figured he has his Russian pals there to protect him, and the gutless all-talk West would never act, so there was nothing to lose. His "gain" was that he could do it, and the joy he gets from seeing dead kids. The fact that Russia, Syria, and Iran are criticizing Trump for responding but staying mum on gassing children tells you just how fucked-up these psychotic gangsters are.

Quote:
Looks like possibly the MSM/Globalists/Neocon/Neolibs now have control over Trump.

Not at all, but of course you know that.

Ah, River has dipped into the toxic koolaid. Assad is not an American, so does not have human characteristics. Instead, he behaves like the subject of a racist cartoon. He cannot have run a successful country for over a decade, while America with all our brilliants plunged into debt with foreign wars because he is funny looking.

Srsly. Assad is a pretyt mind mannered, intelligent guy who has been running around making alliances with the militias we hire to kill him. That's how he won the war. He talked our hitmen into working for him. And against us. And so we had to hire more. And now we're cornered. So, we bomb a hospital and cover up and investigation so that we can blame Syria, pressure Trump into attacking.

River assuming you've been following this discussion, I take it you're backing Hillary Clinton for her use of ISIS against civilians? That's a logic pothole. If you missed something, I'll fill you in.

6ixString is spot on here.

1KIKI

Tuesday, April 11, 2017 11:31 AM

fwiw I agree. False flag attack for sure.

I'm still puzzled in/ disappointed about Trump. Unless he's got some backchannel communication going on, it looks like he's in this for real. Trump knows how to aggressively negotiate which means come on strong and keep them guessing. But I'm not entirely sure he knows how to play either a long game or a long con. (I take that all back if it turns out he didn't become president by a fluke. In which case - he's brilliant.)

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

OONJERAH

Tuesday, April 11, 2017 1:27 PM

Pardon me for being so off-topic.

Our fleet is now sailing toward North Korea.
Seems like a big deal to me, & perhaps necessary.

Needs its own thread.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

O look! I found a cookie!

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, April 11, 2017 7:31 PM

G,

Not sure where you're getting the idea. Assad is quite popular at home, and there's no evidence that he's a brutal dictator. I used to use Syria when I was arguing against socialists here saying, why do you defend disasters or try to pretend that Europe is socialist, why not use Syria of an example where it worked? Here, like, for years.

So your logic works if CNN et al is right about Assad, but there's really zero evidence that they are. I think they're just obeying their neocon overlords and pumping out the same propaganda they've been milling since 2000.

SECOND

Tuesday, April 11, 2017 8:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
fwiw I agree. False flag attack for sure.

I'm still puzzled in/ disappointed about Trump. Unless he's got some backchannel communication going on, it looks like he's in this for real. Trump knows how to aggressively negotiate which means come on strong and keep them guessing. But I'm not entirely sure he knows how to play either a long game or a long con. (I take that all back if it turns out he didn't become president by a fluke. In which case - he's brilliant.)

What about the simplest explanation? Trump is a standard-issue hawkish, blustering Republican when it comes to war in the Middle East?

There would be absolutely nothing surprising about his cruise missile display against Syria, and nothing to suggest it represents a policy change of any kind. Why do so many people think otherwise?

Maybe because Trump ran as an American Firster, but that was mostly related to trade. When it came to military action, he didn't say much, but when he talked about Iraq and Syria his preferred solution was to "bomb the shit out of ISIS." In a primary debate, he suggested he might send 30,000 ground troops to Iraq. He described himself repeatedly as "the most militaristic person you'll ever meet." He wants to increase the Pentagon's budget by $54 billion, and he recently approved a multibillion arms deal for Bahrain.

Trump's a standard-issue hawkish, blustering Republican when it comes to war in the Middle East.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Tuesday, April 11, 2017 10:45 PM

I don't believe for a second that Assad did it. This isn't a fucking James Bond movie.

But by all means. Let's get rid of all of the secular leaders in the Middle East and let ISIS take over everything.

DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, April 12, 2017 2:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
I don't believe for a second that Assad did it. This isn't a fucking James Bond movie.

But by all means. Let's get rid of all of the secular leaders in the Middle East and let ISIS take over everything.

Of course.

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Huh? Maybe he's popular with the few Syrians left?

"In 2016, the United Nations (UN) identified 13.5 million Syrians requiring humanitarian assistance, of which more than 6 million are internally displaced within Syria, and over 4.8 million are refugees outside of Syria." - the Google

Syrians are fighting Syrians, and a host of multi colored rebel/terrorist groups, along with Russia and the US now bombing their land, as well as ISIS building their caliphate locally.

I'd say considering all that, Syria by almost any measure, is the world's top most cluster f*ck at this time with Assad as it's president.

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G, I said that ten years ago, here, when Syria was doing great. Before we started funding and arming terrorists to overthrow Assad.

Assad's approval rating was 55% before we/HRC et al, created ISIS to stage a color revolution. After early victories against ISIS, it shot up to 90%, now it's backed off somewhat, and is around 70% today. Sure, if you don't like Assad, you probably left. But the converse isn't nec. true, not everyone who left didn't like Assad. They might just dislike ISIS.

So basically, everything you said is true, I don't think the locals are heavily blaming Assad for it. Bear in mind that this isn't a color revolution where we're proposing to overthrow an extremist govt and install a moderate secular reformists. We're proposing to overthrow a left-leaning secular regime and install radical militants. A lot of people would oppose that and fight a war to stop it. A solid but not overwhelming majority of both Russians and Syrians support the Russian intervention in Syria. A slim majority of Americans but only a quarter of Syrians support US intervention in Syria.

Personally, I think the best thing we could do for Syria is get out and back off. Our presents is undoubtedly fueling support for Assad. Also, we're a popular punching bag for terrorist recruitment (join and strike down Great Satan!) and I figure any moderate fighting would be allied to the Assad side, as they could just vote their members into office, and they are, largely. Many of those are very shaky alliances, but still, they know they can be elected to an Assad govt, but not to an extremist govt. It bugs Turkey no end that Assad is considering the idea of a Kurdish state.

It's a mess, sure. And all socialist states are. But at the time it was running quite well, and my point was the fact that I held it up as an example and people accepted that was because they weren't doing a terrible job, even though they had Assad, things were fine until terrorists came along.

SIGNYM

Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:23 PM

Quote:
Russia Slams "Absurd" Trump Demands, Warns Tillerson "Don't Strike Syria Again"

Amid attempts to "clarify areas of sharp difference," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov blasted the Trump administration’s "ambiguous and contradictory" foreign policy at the start of talks with Tillerson in Moscow Wednesday calling the demand for the Kremlin to abandon Assad "absurd." Furthermore, he warned Tillerson that Russia "believes it’s fundamentally important not to let these actions happen again." http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-12/russia-slams-absurb-trump-dem
ands-warns-tillerson-dont-strike-syria-again

Quote:
Lavrov Rejects America's "Hysterical Campaign" Of Interventionism: "We Know All Too Well How This Ends"

On Syria and US Intervention...

"The future of Syria has to be determined by the Syrians themselves," says Lavrov. Sounds like Tillerson didn't convince Russia of his viewpoint that Assad must go.

*U.S., RUSSIA DISCUSSED ASSAD'S FUTURE AT LENGTH: TILLERSON
*U.S. VIEW IS ASSAD FAMILY REIGN COMING TO END: TILLERSON
*LAVROV: RUSSIA SAW NO PROOF SYRIA CARRIED OUT CHEMICAL ATTACK
*RUSSIA BEST PLACED TO HELP ASSAD RECOGNIZE REALITY: TILLERSON
*LAVROV: NO INSURMOUNTABLE DIFFERENCES ON SYRIA, UKRAINE W/ U.S.
*LAVROV CONDEMNS 'HYSTERICAL CAMPAIGN' IN U.S. TO BOMB SYRIA
*RUSSIA WANTS TO FIND TRUTH ON SYRIA CHEMICAL ATTACK: LAVROV
*U.S. HAS NO FIRM EVIDENCE RUSSIA INVOLVED IN ATTACK: TILLERSON

"I recall from the past [America's] fixation on the removal of various foreign authoritarian or totalitarian leaders... we know all too well how this ends..."
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-12/lavrov-rejects-americas-hyste
rical-campaign-interventionism-we-know-all-too-well-how]

Quote:
Putin told Tillerson why U.S.-Russian ties in bad state: Kremlin
Russian President Vladimir Putin used a meeting with visiting U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson on Wednesday to give his views on why U.S.-Russian relations had reached such a low point, a Kremlin spokesman said.

The spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, told a conference call with reporters on Thursday that the tone of the meeting had been "fairly constructive." He said the Russian hope was that Putin's message would be passed on to U.S. President Donald Trump.

He said general agreement was reached at the meeting of the need to keep open lines of communication between Moscow and Washington. Peskov also said Putin had given Tillerson his views on the situation in Syria, and how it was likely to develop.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-tillerson-putin-idUSKBN17
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SIGNYM

Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:32 PM

Quote:
I'd say considering all that, Syria by almost any measure, is the world's top most cluster f*ck at this time with Assad as it's president.

I's like to see Trump as popular as Assad if we had fifty million foreign extremists, allied with a portion of our SJWs and most of our angry gang-bangers fighting - militarily, with 50 mm machine guns, howitzers, antitank missiles, and tanks - and taking over LA, Houston, Minneapolis, and threatening Chicago.

I KNOW Syrian Xtians, who had family in Aleppo. They fled, not because they "hated Assad" but because the Sunni extremists look over.

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THGRRI

Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I KNOW Syrian Xtians, who had family in Aleppo. They fled, not because they "hated Assad" but because the Sunni extremists look over.

"I KNOW Syrian Xtians"

THGRRI

Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:27 PM

Sig is consistent. What ever available spin is out there, she will find it and post it. Stating Assad was popular as though Syria had free and fair elections in laughable. Anyone believing any of that is also laughable. The country was handed to Assad by his and his fathers cronies. Then during protests he began killing everyone, and here we are.

Hey SIG, Putin just got bitch slapped again.

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I's like to see Trump as popular as Assad if we had fifty million foreign extremists, allied with a portion of our SJWs and most of our angry gang-bangers fighting - militarily, with 50 mm machine guns, howitzers, antitank missiles, and tanks - and taking over LA, Houston, Minneapolis, and threatening Chicago.

Just give it another year!

btw - are you suggesting there are 50,000,000 extremists in Syria??

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THGRRI

Friday, April 14, 2017 12:29 AM

THGRRI

Friday, April 14, 2017 12:53 AM

Russia blocks the UN from investigating Syrian chemical attack. So of course they and Assad had nothing to do with it. Come on SIG, gather up your troll friends and spin this.

THGRRI

Friday, April 14, 2017 1:04 AM

RIVERLOVE

Friday, April 14, 2017 3:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

The real question is, why would Assad have gassed his citizens? What was there to gain from doing so? He had nothing to gain and everything to lose.

Why? Why not? He's a madman, a bloodthirsty brute who used chemical weapons many times before without any consequences. He figured he has his Russian pals there to protect him, and the gutless all-talk West would never act, so there was nothing to lose. His "gain" was that he could do it, and the joy he gets from seeing dead kids. The fact that Russia, Syria, and Iran are criticizing Trump for responding but staying mum on gassing children tells you just how fucked-up these psychotic gangsters are.

Standard operating procedure for a brutal dictator completely removed from his people, used to flush out the people/citizens/terrorists/rebels/angry mob who want him dead, from the only safe place they can find to hide: amongst his own people. Since he sees no difference, no biggie. And yes, a big fat middle finger to the US at the same time. "I dare you."
Maybe "dropping chemical bombs" is what DT means by "negotiating?"

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How refreshing to see at least one Liberal who doesn't fantasize conspiracies everywhere. Bravo!

KPO

Friday, April 14, 2017 3:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
How refreshing to see at least one Liberal who doesn't fantasize conspiracies everywhere. Bravo!

Liberal? Every conspiracist here is a Trump voter/supporter. I count 4 of them.

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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521

DREAMTROVE

Friday, April 14, 2017 3:58 AM

The liberal conspiracy theory is to see everyone who disagrees with them as a trump supporter.

G, Assad is a pretty good negotiator. Trump is an excellent one. I'll give him that. I'm dubious about his bombing campaigns. You should take it as some consolation that when I saw someone commenting about a sane liberal that I knew it would be you. (It might've been KPO)

THGRRI

Friday, April 14, 2017 8:16 AM

This post is for the moron.

Analysts identify #SyriaHoax as Russian-fueled propaganda

That hoax story was promoted by a network of Russian social media accounts and ultimately picked up by popular alt-right personalities in the United States, including Mike Cernovich, one of the leading voices in the debunked 'Pizzagate' conspiracy theory. Cernovich popularized its new hashtag -- #SyriaHoax -- and sent it soaring through cyberspace. According to Trends24, within hours of the retaliatory missile strike President Donald Trump launched on Thursday night, #SyriaHoax was the No. 1 trending Twitter topic in the United States.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/analysts-identify-syriahoax-russia
n-fueled-propaganda/story?id=46787674

DREAMTROVE

Friday, April 14, 2017 8:19 AM

Who thought it was a hoax?

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, April 14, 2017 9:39 AM

I'm sure people did die. Doesn't mean that it went down the way they say it went down. They learn from their mistakes. You can't say there are WMDs and rile everyone up and end up not having any WMDs to show for it anymore.

At the end of the day, so what? Not our problem. Why are we supposed to be the World Police. Let them sort it out.

DREAMTROVE

Friday, April 14, 2017 7:58 PM

Just talked with a friend in ENgland. He doesn't support any conspiracy theories, but he said no one he knows in Europe takes this "Assad did it" theory seriously. I think the false narratives have gotten out of control.

THGRRI

Friday, April 14, 2017 8:18 PM

Really, Their European leaders believe they did it, and they've said so. Our leaders have proof, and they bomb Assad for it.

You spoke to someone in England. That's a hoot. It's also a SIG move. Putin's suggested that Assad didn't do it. Therefore, it's no surprise you are trying to make the case you are. To plant the seed of doubt. Go for it comrade.

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Just talked with a friend in ENgland. He doesn't support any conspiracy theories, but he said no one he knows in Europe takes this "Assad did it" theory seriously. I think the false narratives have gotten out of control.

SIGNYM

Friday, April 14, 2017 8:18 PM

Analysis of Sarin-attack evidence by MIT professor emeritus of Science, Technology, and National Security, Theodor Postol Ph.D.

Quote:
Dear Larry,

I am responding to your distribution of what I understand is a White House statement claiming intelligence findings about the nerve agent attack on April 4, 2017 in Khan Shaykhun, Syria. My understanding from your note is that this White House intelligence summary was released to you sometime on April 11, 2017.

I have reviewed the document carefully, and I believe it can be shown, without doubt, that the document does not provide any evidence whatsoever that the US government has concrete knowledge that the government of Syria was the source of the chemical attack in Khan Shaykhun, Syria at roughly 6 to 7 a.m. on April 4, 2017.

In fact, a main piece of evidence that is cited in the document points to an attack that was executed by individuals on the ground, not from an aircraft, on the morning of April 4. This conclusion is based on an assumption made by the White House when it cited the source of the sarin release and the photographs of that source. My own assessment, is that the source was very likely tampered with or staged, so no serious conclusion could be made from the photographs cited by the White House.

However, if one assumes, as does the White House, that the source of the sarin was from this location and that the location was not tampered with, the most plausible conclusion is that the sarin was dispensed by an improvised dispersal device made from a 122 mm section of rocket tube filled with sarin and capped on both sides.

The only undisputable facts stated in the White House report is the claim that a chemical attack using nerve agent occurred in Khan Shaykhun, Syria on that morning. Although the White House statement repeats this point in many places within its report, the report contains absolutely no evidence that this attack was the result of a munition being dropped from an aircraft. In fact, the report contains absolutely no evidence that would indicate who was the perpetrator of this atrocity.

The report instead repeats observations of physical effects suffered by victims that with very little doubt indicate nerve agent poisoning.

The only source the document cites as evidence that the attack was by the Syrian government is the crater it claims to have identified on a road in the North of Khan Shaykhun.

I have located this crater using Google Earth and there is absolutely no evidence that the crater was created by a munition designed to disperse sarin after it is dropped from an aircraft. The Google Earth map shown in Figure 1 at the end of this text section shows the location of that crater on the road in the north of Khan Shaykhun, as described in the White House statement.

...

Analysis of the debris as shown in the photographs cited by the White House clearly indicates that the munition was almost certainly placed on the ground with an external detonating explosive on top of it that crushed the container so as to disperse the alleged load of sarin.

MORE AT
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_Vs2rjE9TdwR2F3NFFVWDExMnc/view

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THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

THGRRI

Friday, April 14, 2017 8:28 PM

He is one person SIG. Besides, there is nothing you post that I trust. I trust General Mattis who said Assad did it more than your liberal professor, who may have outside influences. That said, you wanted Trump and this White House because you believed he would be good for Putin. For more than a year you pushed Trump relentlessly here in these threads. Well, you got him.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Analysis of Sarin-attack evidence by MIT professor emeritus of Science, Technology, and National Security, Theodor Postol Ph.D.

Quote:
Dear Larry,

I am responding to your distribution of what I understand is a White House statement claiming intelligence findings about the nerve agent attack on April 4, 2017 in Khan Shaykhun, Syria. My understanding from your note is that this White House intelligence summary was released to you sometime on April 11, 2017.

I have reviewed the document carefully, and I believe it can be shown, without doubt, that the document does not provide any evidence whatsoever that the US government has concrete knowledge that the government of Syria was the source of the chemical attack in Khan Shaykhun, Syria at roughly 6 to 7 a.m. on April 4, 2017.

In fact, a main piece of evidence that is cited in the document points to an attack that was executed by individuals on the ground, not from an aircraft, on the morning of April 4. This conclusion is based on an assumption made by the White House when it cited the source of the sarin release and the photographs of that source. My own assessment, is that the source was very likely tampered with or staged, so no serious conclusion could be made from the photographs cited by the White House.

However, if one assumes, as does the White House, that the source of the sarin was from this location and that the location was not tampered with, the most plausible conclusion is that the sarin was dispensed by an improvised dispersal device made from a 122 mm section of rocket tube filled with sarin and capped on both sides.

The only undisputable facts stated in the White House report is the claim that a chemical attack using nerve agent occurred in Khan Shaykhun, Syria on that morning. Although the White House statement repeats this point in many places within its report, the report contains absolutely no evidence that this attack was the result of a munition being dropped from an aircraft. In fact, the report contains absolutely no evidence that would indicate who was the perpetrator of this atrocity.

The report instead repeats observations of physical effects suffered by victims that with very little doubt indicate nerve agent poisoning.

The only source the document cites as evidence that the attack was by the Syrian government is the crater it claims to have identified on a road in the North of Khan Shaykhun.

I have located this crater using Google Earth and there is absolutely no evidence that the crater was created by a munition designed to disperse sarin after it is dropped from an aircraft. The Google Earth map shown in Figure 1 at the end of this text section shows the location of that crater on the road in the north of Khan Shaykhun, as described in the White House statement.

...

Analysis of the debris as shown in the photographs cited by the White House clearly indicates that the munition was almost certainly placed on the ground with an external detonating explosive on top of it that crushed the container so as to disperse the alleged load of sarin.
MORE AT
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_Vs2rjE9TdwR2F3NFFVWDExMnc/view

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SIGNYM

Friday, April 14, 2017 8:30 PM

Cernonvich, a loopy-sounding alt-right guy who has been correct in the past, said that this "sarin gas attack" was just set-piece to allow the USA to send a wave of 150,000 troops into Syria, and that this is all being pushed by McMaster.

That concept - if not that number- was echoed (or perhaps repeated) by Bloomberg's Eli Lake

Quote:
Senior White House and administration officials tell me Trump's national security adviser, General H.R. McMaster, has been quietly pressing his colleagues to question the underlying assumptions of a draft war plan against the Islamic State that would maintain only a light U.S. ground troop presence in Syria. McMaster's critics inside the administration say he wants to send tens of thousands of ground troops to the Euphrates River Valley.

... McMaster himself has found resistance to a more robust ground troop presence in Syria. In two meetings since the end of February of Trump's national security cabinet, known as the principals' committee, Trump's top advisers have failed to reach consensus on the Islamic State strategy. The White House and administration officials say Secretary of Defense James Mattis, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Joseph Dunford and General Joseph Votel, who is in charge of U.S. Central Command, oppose sending more conventional forces into Syria. Meanwhile, White House senior strategist Stephen Bannon has derided McMaster to his colleagues as trying to start a new Iraq War, according to these sources. ....

He argued that U.S. forces in Iraq would have been caught up inside a civil war had they stayed.

The cadre of former military advisers to Petraeus took a different view. They argued that America's abandonment of Iraq gave the Shiite majority there a license to pursue a sectarian agenda that provided a political and military opening for the Islamic State. An active U.S. presence in Iraq would have restrained those sectarian forces.

One of those advisers was H.R. McMaster. It's now up to Trump to decide whether to test the Petraeus camp's theory or try to defeat the Islamic State with a light footprint in Syria. Put another way, Trump must decide whether he wants to wage Bush's war or continue Obama's.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-04-13/trump-said-no-to-tr
oops-in-syria-his-aides-aren-t-so-sure

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