Another series of Mass Shootings... at Las Vegas... 40 + People Dead?
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UPDATED: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 05:43
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A Mass Shooter? Reports of People shot dead after shooting on Las Vegas Strip, at a Concert?
....possibly not terror NOT terrorist related, so the guy is not from the Middle East, didn't log on ISIS websites or say Al Lah Ackbar!? Shooting occurring at the Tropicana, another shooting at luxor in vegas, shooting at Mandalay Bay Resort in Las Vegas. Seems like another Mass Shooting? show with video where you can hear automatic weapon fire. They cut to video where somebody is firing on the crowd. From the video, it looks bad situation. It may have been multiple shooters, it was a lot of burst...Police now say they have one suspect they were looking for, multiple casualties near Mandalay Bay Casino. People were running, hiding behind objects for cover, one of duty police officer shot dead while out with his family? Gunshots and deaths at Jake Owen music, a Country Music concert? in Las Vegas Village, Police Reports say he was shooting from 32nd floor of hotel - the Gunman was then shot dead - Police have found gunman's female companion, Marilou Danley?
https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/lasvegas
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/21038
https://twitter.com/hashtag/vegasshooting
Police Scanner. Absolutely sad hearing about all dead bodies, horrible sick event
something perhaps Similar to the historical Texas Tower Shootings? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman
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Charles Joseph Whitman (June 24, 1941 – August 1, 1966) was an American mass murderer who became infamous as the "Texas Tower Sniper". On August 1, 1966, he murdered his mother and wife in their homes, then went to the University of Texas at Austin where he shot and killed three people inside the university's tower. He then went to the tower's 28th-floor observation deck, where he fired at random for some 96 minutes, killing an additional eleven people and wounding thirty-one before being shot and killed by police. Sixteen people were killed in total; a 17th victim died in 2001 from injuries sustained in the attack.
gunman opens fire on Mandalay Bay crowds
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/route-91-harvest-festival-shooti
ng-footage-captures-terrifying-moment-gunman-opens-fire-on-crowds-a3648046.html
Officers responded to that hotel room and engaged the suspect, killing him, police said. They do not believe at this time that there were any other shooters, despite reports of multiple gunmen. Police said they do not have an accurate number of victims yet.... Mass Murdering Shooter was Possibly Going Through a Divorce & Sued a Las Vegas Strip Casino in 2012. Dan Bilzerian, the professional poker player and businessman, posted a video running from the concert saying, “a girl just got shot in the f*cking head.”
some of the online forums blogs message boards
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number keeps rising. Holy smokes! I just read the same... 20 dead and over 100 injured. So sad. Sending prayers for all involved.
https://texags.com/forums/12/topics/2890728
I just got a notification saying fifty have died.
https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/2245293/mass-shooting-at-the-
mandalay-bay-in-las-vegas/p5
Looks like it was at the Route 91 music festival across from Mandalay Bay, but shots look like they might have come from up in the hotel somewhere.
https://www.vegasmessageboard.com/forums/index.php?threads/the-mass-sh
ooting-near-mandalay-bay.145287/
you can hear massive amounts of automatic gun fire.
http://www.redcafe.net/threads/shooting-in-las-vegas.432868/
I heard at least one report of multiple fatalities.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?351211-Active-shooter-
Mandalay-Bay-Resort-in-Las-Vegas-2-October-2017/page2
Fcking crazy, literally no where to run or hide if he's taking shots from above.
http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/shooting-at-mandalay-bay-res
ort-las-vegas.330825/page-3
Horrific
can hear the bullets.... automatic fire.
more news will be released shortly.
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2311913-Active-shooter-on-Las-Vega
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Two cops dow
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It sounds as if the family had no idea what was going on with the presumed shooter
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The suspected shooter’s brother, Eric Paddock, said the family was stunned by the news.
“We have no idea. We’re horrified. We’re bewildered and our condolences go out to the victims,” Eric Paddock said in a brief telephone interview, his voice trembling. “We have no idea in the world.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-lasvegas-shooting/gunman-kills-a
t-least-50-wounds-200-in-las-vegas-concert-attack-idUSKCN1C70FU
Given the suspect's age, he probably wasn't on social media. He didn't have a criminal record, he wasn't a military vet or retired law enforcement.
It's a little late for schizophrenia to be showing up. Usually begins in late teens and early twenties, and if you've been schizophrenic for a long time, your family probably knows. So ... Somebody with a recent stroke or other neurological event? An ultra-religious person attacking Sodom and Gomorrah? A 2nd amendment fanatic attacking people that he felt didn't walk the talk?
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'They're all around, you're all going to die!' Mystery of woman kicked out of Vegas country music festival after shouting terrifying threat just an hour before gunman opened fire
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4940216/Woman-heard-shouting-t
hreat-massacre-Vegas.html
Brianna Hendricks (left) was attending the concert with mother Shawn (right) and said a woman ran up to them shouting 'you're all going to die' around an hour before the shooting
...
'There was a lady who came running up behind us in the concert and she started to play with people's hair acting crazy and she told us that we're all going to f***ing die.
'She said they're all around us and we were going to die.
so
...was this just some random 'crazy' lady they met in Vegas
or was it connected to the attacks?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Given the suspect's age, he probably wasn't on social media. He didn't have a criminal record, he wasn't a military vet or retired law enforcement.
However I was wondering if you buy a lot of guns, purchase say 10 or 20 or 30 guns does that itself not set off flags...ATF officials sopme federal reactions to one person suddenly having too many guns? I dunno national security, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, NSA they spy on emails etc would they not have known something?
I think he might have already been know for some minor criminal offense according to the online links...but yeah didn't sound too serious a threat and was maybe an old guy living at some retirement camp/village not going to set off any red flags or alarms with Law Enforcement, National Security or FBI
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One clue to whether this was a man who just went off his nut because of a stroke, advancing neurological degeneration, or drug use ... or someone who was honing a longstanding grotch against a particular group of people for ideological reasons .... would be the length of time over which he acquired his (considerable) store of weapons.
If he'd been buying them over the past 10 years, I'd say that this was long in the making. But if he purchased them all in the past six months, I'd look for some medical issue.
I'm a bit wary of what we'll find in the media. EVERYONE is going to want to spin this.
DHS has no reason to admit that there was a longstanding threat that they didn't find, despite the NSA's universal surveillance, even if there was one. And they SURE aren't going to admit that he was in the illegal NSA database, even if he was. Since he apparently had a foreign gf, this would have given the NSA the right to snoop in on their communications. But any info they might have on HIM will have to be reconstructed from other "legal" sources of info, so even if they know all about this guy, it will take a while for anything to come out. In any case, DHS says no credible threat to any other venues. Not sure that DHS has much credibility to say that. I mean .... how would they know? They missed him, didn't they? In fact, despite them looking up everybody's anus, they didn't predict ANY of the recent mass shootings, whether ideologically-inspired or not.
Rightwing will want to say that more guns would have solved the problem. Left-wing will want to say he's right-wing, or that he was a nutcase, or both.
Either way, the predicted media response will be for more government surveillance and more gun control.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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They say the guy was using his girlfriends credit cards to gamble on. I'm gonna guess, since he was in Vegas....That he lost big money.
Testosterone and gambling and guns.. great combination!
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
They say the guy was using his girlfriends credit cards to gamble on. I'm gonna guess, since he was in Vegas....That he lost big money.
Testosterone and gambling and guns.. great combination!
But he had a lot of guns in his room. You don't go to Vegas to gamble with at least ten weapons in your possession just in case you lose. IF that were the case, everyone would visit Las Vegas with an arsenal. There was SOME forethought to this.
The guy was pretty young to be retired. Maybe he just got a bad diagnosis. Maybe he thought his retirement and his health care were going to disappear. But then, why shoot at random people, unless he felt that they were somehow to blame? The thing I hear about NV is that taxes are really low BECAUSE of the gambling and entertainment revenues. Wouldn't he see them as part of the solution, not part of the problem?
Maybe he had a serious gambling problem. Maybe he thought Las Vegas was the source of all of his ills.
I'd be really interested in how any of this makes sense.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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They say he lived in a NEARBY retirement village, could prolly drive home and go get them...
"I'd be really interested in how any of this makes sense."
Ain't never gonna.
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The 10 Deadliest Mass Shootings In The USA
https://en.wikipedia.org
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0–9
49th Street Elementary School shooting
101 California Street shooting
1984 New York City Subway shooting
1998 United States Capitol shooting incident
2008 Skagit County shooting spree
A
2010 ABB plant shootings
Alrosa Villa shootings
Appalachian School of Law shooting
2010 Appomattox shootings
Larry Gene Ashbrook
Atlantis Plastics shooting
1993 Aurora shooting
2012 Aurora shooting
2012 Azana Spa shootings
B
Bard College at Simon's Rock shooting
Mark O. Barton
2016 shooting of Baton Rouge police officers
D.C. sniper attacks
Bethel Regional High School shooting
Binghamton shootings
William Ray Bonner shooting spree
Bronx-Lebanon Hospital attack
Carl Robert Brown
Brown's Chicken massacre
Burnette Chapel shooting
C
California State University, Fullerton massacre
Camden massacre
Capitol Hill massacre
2007 Carnation murders
Carthage nursing home shooting
2016 Cascade Mall shooting
Chardon High School shooting
Charleston church shooting
2015 Chattanooga shootings
1993 shootings at CIA Headquarters
2016 Citronelle homicides
Clackamas Town Center shooting
Cleveland Elementary School shooting (San Diego)
Cleveland Elementary School shooting (Stockton)
2017 Clovis library shooting
2012 College Station, Texas shooting
2009 Collier Township shooting
Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting
2007 Colorado YWAM and New Life shootings
Columbine High School massacre
2017 Congressional baseball shooting
Connecticut Lottery
2011 Copley Township shooting
Covina massacre
Crandon, Wisconsin shooting
Cupertino quarry shooting
D
Daingerfield church shooting
2016 shooting of Dallas police officers
Laurie Dann
Lynwood Drake
E
Edmond post office shooting
1997 Empire State Building shooting
2003 Ennis shooting
ESL shooting
F
1986 FBI Miami shootout
2009 Fort Hood shooting
2014 Fort Hood shooting
2017 Fort Lauderdale airport shooting
Fountain Valley massacre
Freeman High School shooting
FreightCar America shooting
2017 Fresno shootings
Frontier Middle School shooting
G
Geneva County massacre
1946 Georgia lynching
Golden Dragon massacre
Goleta postal facility shootings
2011 Grand Rapids mass murder
H
Hartford Distributors shooting
Heath High School shooting
2016 Hesston shooting
Hi-Fi murders
2013 Hialeah shooting
1965 Highway 101 sniper attack
1996 Honolulu hostage crisis
2015 Harris County, Texas shooting
I
2011 IHOP shooting
Indianapolis mass murder
2014 Isla Vista killings
K
2016 Kalamazoo shootings
Kansas City massacre
Kelayres massacre
Kirkwood City Council shooting
Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting
L
2015 Lafayette shooting
2009 Lakewood shooting
Lane Bryant shooting
Lex Street massacre
Lindhurst High School shooting
Little Rock nightclub shooting
Lockheed Martin shooting
Lorenz-Sirloin Stockade murders
2002 Los Angeles International Airport shooting
2013 Los Angeles International Airport shooting
Los Angeles Jewish Community Center shooting
Luby's shooting
M
Madison High School shooting
Marysville Pilchuck High School shooting
1993 Long Island Rail Road shooting
Saint Valentine's Day Massacre
Utah prisoner of war massacre
2012 Minneapolis workplace shooting
2017 Mississippi shootings
Montgomery County, Pennsylvania shootings
2016 Mukilteo shooting
N
Northern Illinois University shooting
O
Oakland Elementary School shooting
Oikos University shooting
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And Wishy wonders why I don't think people should be watching ultraviolent crap like Kingsmen.
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
And Wishy wonders why I don't think people should be watching ultraviolent crap like Kingsmen.
Yet you've played ultraviolent video games, and are probably one of the ones that say that doesn't mean anything. And I'm pretty sure you've watched your share of ultraviolent movies, you hypocrite. Ever seen ANY of the Die Hard movies? Sin City? Rambo? You're no hippy. (Not to mention, but Firefly isn't exactly free from violence, either!)
The truth is- if you're going to snap, you're going to snap no matter what you've seen and heard, but the games and movies don't help.
What makes more people violent than anything else is THESE kinds of shootings. Guys sit around and fantasize about being the "hero" who stops a shooter, arm themselves to an insane level, and then they have a bad day and do it themselves.
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
0–9
49th Street Elementary School shooting
101 California Street shooting
1984 New York City Subway shooting
1998 United States Capitol shooting incident
2008 Skagit County shooting spree
A
2010 ABB plant shootings
Alrosa Villa shootings
Appalachian School of Law shooting
2010 Appomattox shootings
Larry Gene Ashbrook
Atlantis Plastics shooting
1993 Aurora shooting
2012 Aurora shooting
2012 Azana Spa shootings
B
Bard College at Simon's Rock shooting
Mark O. Barton
2016 shooting of Baton Rouge police officers
D.C. sniper attacks
Bethel Regional High School shooting
Binghamton shootings
William Ray Bonner shooting spree
Bronx-Lebanon Hospital attack
Carl Robert Brown
Brown's Chicken massacre
Burnette Chapel shooting
C
California State University, Fullerton massacre
Camden massacre
Capitol Hill massacre
2007 Carnation murders
Carthage nursing home shooting
2016 Cascade Mall shooting
Chardon High School shooting
Charleston church shooting
2015 Chattanooga shootings
1993 shootings at CIA Headquarters
2016 Citronelle homicides
Clackamas Town Center shooting
Cleveland Elementary School shooting (San Diego)
Cleveland Elementary School shooting (Stockton)
2017 Clovis library shooting
2012 College Station, Texas shooting
2009 Collier Township shooting
Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting
2007 Colorado YWAM and New Life shootings
Columbine High School massacre
2017 Congressional baseball shooting
Connecticut Lottery
2011 Copley Township shooting
Covina massacre
Crandon, Wisconsin shooting
Cupertino quarry shooting
D
Daingerfield church shooting
2016 shooting of Dallas police officers
Laurie Dann
Lynwood Drake
E
Edmond post office shooting
1997 Empire State Building shooting
2003 Ennis shooting
ESL shooting
F
1986 FBI Miami shootout
2009 Fort Hood shooting
2014 Fort Hood shooting
2017 Fort Lauderdale airport shooting
Fountain Valley massacre
Freeman High School shooting
FreightCar America shooting
2017 Fresno shootings
Frontier Middle School shooting
G
Geneva County massacre
1946 Georgia lynching
Golden Dragon massacre
Goleta postal facility shootings
2011 Grand Rapids mass murder
H
Hartford Distributors shooting
Heath High School shooting
2016 Hesston shooting
Hi-Fi murders
2013 Hialeah shooting
1965 Highway 101 sniper attack
1996 Honolulu hostage crisis
2015 Harris County, Texas shooting
I
2011 IHOP shooting
Indianapolis mass murder
2014 Isla Vista killings
K
2016 Kalamazoo shootings
Kansas City massacre
Kelayres massacre
Kirkwood City Council shooting
Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting
L
2015 Lafayette shooting
2009 Lakewood shooting
Lane Bryant shooting
Lex Street massacre
Lindhurst High School shooting
Little Rock nightclub shooting
Lockheed Martin shooting
Lorenz-Sirloin Stockade murders
2002 Los Angeles International Airport shooting
2013 Los Angeles International Airport shooting
Los Angeles Jewish Community Center shooting
Luby's shooting
M
Madison High School shooting
Marysville Pilchuck High School shooting
1993 Long Island Rail Road shooting
Saint Valentine's Day Massacre
Utah prisoner of war massacre
2012 Minneapolis workplace shooting
2017 Mississippi shootings
Montgomery County, Pennsylvania shootings
2016 Mukilteo shooting
N
Northern Illinois University shooting
O
Oakland Elementary School shooting
Oikos University shooting
Old Salisbury Road shooting
Olean High School shooting
Orangeburg massacre
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Updated...515 injured, 58 dead. So far.
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Quote:In other words, he was shooting at people who - up until recently - could have been him.
Before he opened fire late Sunday, gunman Stephen Paddock lived a quiet life for years in a small town outside Las Vegas, the WaPo writes.
A retired man, Paddock often visited Las Vegas to gamble and take in concerts, his relatives said. Public records show he was a licensed pilot, who owned two planes. And he had a hunting license from Alaska ... Family members said that Paddock spent much of his retirement in recent years staying in hotels in Las Vegas and gambling. They said he listened to country music and went to concerts at Vegas hotels.
So there's another avenue to pursue. In addition to trying to find out WHEN he purchased his guns, when was the last time (previous to this time?) that he checked into a hotel or gambled in Las Vegas? When did he have a sudden change of heart?
ISIS, btw, claims credit for this.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
ISIS, btw, claims credit for this.
FBI already said no he wasn't. Isis is trolling.
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My guess is that Paddock was in the grip of powerful delusions. But, we'll see.
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
And Wishy wonders why I don't think people should be watching ultraviolent crap like Kingsmen.
Yet you've played ultraviolent video games, and are probably one of the ones that say that doesn't mean anything. And I'm pretty sure you've watched your share of ultraviolent movies, you hypocrite. Ever seen ANY of the Die Hard movies? Sin City? Rambo? You're no hippy. (Not to mention, but Firefly isn't exactly free from violence, either!)
The truth is- if you're going to snap, you're going to snap no matter what you've seen and heard, but the games and movies don't help.
What makes more people violent than anything else is THESE kinds of shootings. Guys sit around and fantasize about being the "hero" who stops a shooter, arm themselves to an insane level, and then they have a bad day and do it themselves.
No. I don't play ultra violent video games. I already said my piece on that before and I'm not going to repeat myself again here.
I don't watch ultraviolent movies either. I've never seen a Saw movie or anything where there are people hurting other people just for the sake of hurting other people. It's sad that so many people do that they made so many of them.
Die Hard is hardly ultraviolent. I've never watched a Rambo movie, or Sin City either.
Your outright blatant Misandry is showing in full force again in this thread Wishy. Keep that in check.
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/476445/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by
-shooter-s-gender/
Between 1982 and 2017, 2 mass shootings were initiated by female shooters, 87 by male shooters. The mass shooting in San Bernardino on December 2nd 2016 was the only instance in which both a male and female were the shooters.
When it comes to mass shootings, credit needs to go where credit is due.
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Yeah... Just wait until these kids we're pumping full of these movies grow up. Girls behaved a lot differently 20 years ago than they do now. Lots more girls are getting in fights at school today when that almost never happened when I was in school.
You wanted equality, you're going to get it. Expect stats like you just posted to even out in the next 15-20 years. KPO can put that in the predictions thread.
It's a good thing Wishy doesn't like guns. I expect one day she's going to snap and luckily for everyone around all she'll have is a knife or a rock on hand when it happens.
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Las vegas PD radio shooting at Mandalay Bay
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=378_1506956902
25m audio recording. Takes them 17minutes to identify shooter is in room 135 on the 32nd floor.
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Yeah... Just wait until these kids we're pumping full of these movies grow up.
How was this woman created?
CBS fires vice president who said Vegas victims didn't deserve sympathy because country music fans 'often are Republican'
https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/cbs-cans-vice-president-who-said-veg
as-victims-didnt-deserve-sympathy-because-they-were-probably-republicans/ar-AAsNWrx
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CBS has parted ways with one of the company’s top lawyers after she said she is “not even sympathetic” to victims of the Las Vegas shooting because “country music fans often are Republican,” when discussing the tragic mass shooting that occurred in Las Vegas late Sunday night.
“This individual, who was with us for approximately one year, violated the standards of our company and is no longer an employee of CBS. Her views as expressed on social media are deeply unacceptable to all of us at CBS. Our hearts go out to the victims in Las Vegas and their families,” a CBS spokeswoman told Fox News.
Hayley Geftman-Gold, the network's now-former vice president and senior counsel, took to Facebook after a gunman opened fire at the Route 91 Harvest Music Festival in Las Vegas, killing at least 58 people and sending more than 500 others to hospitals.
“If they wouldn’t do anything when children were murdered I have no hope that Repugs [sic] will ever do the right thing,” Geftman-Gold wrote in a now-deleted message that was first reported and captured by The Daily Caller.
Geftman-Gold continued: “I’m actually not even sympathetic bc [sic] country music fans often are Republican gun toters [sic].”
Geftman-Gold is presumably referring to Sandy Hook, which occurred in Newtown, Conn. back in 2012. A 20-year-old gunman, Adam Lanza, killed 20 children and six adults during the tragic event that sparked intense political debates regarding gun control.
Geftman-Gold did not work directly with the network’s news division. According to her LinkedIn bio, Geftman-Gold worked at CBS since September 2016 and graduated from the prestigious Columbia University law school in 2000.
DATED Jan 2015?
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.094982,-115.172864,3a,72.6y,182.43h,53.86t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAF1QipNl_tRYUHT4rSwIvoJwglt-pJ3ai7VTwj8eWbAg!2e10!3e12!7i12000!8i6000
Some claim he had Antifa literature in his room, also reports of more than one shooter, some people say they also heard this on the Police scanners.
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This whole "the world would be better if women were in charge...".
All I have to do is look at Christine Lagarde, or "Mutti" Merkel, or Hillary ("we came, we saw, he died") Clinton ...Women may not instigate as much PERSONAL violence, but they sure don't mind if the guys do their dirty work for them.
By the way, SIX, I doubt that females will catch up to males in terms of interpersonal violence. It can be instigated and increased by society, but I don't think it will ever even out because, across millenia and dozens of societies, it never has. I've never read of a bona fide report of a society of "women warriors". (The Amazons were myth, not reality.) But, we shall see.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Of this entire list of 128 rampage killers in the western hemisphere, going back to 1863, there's only 1 woman (Fugate, a teenager) listed, and she's in tandem with a much older male boyfriend and accomplice (Starkweather). Since that covers a very lengthy timespan and multiple cultures, where the roles of women were vastly different and undergoing active change, it's a pretty solid observation. Men can take credit for 99%+ of rampage killings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_%28Americas%29
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
No. I don't play ultra violent video games.
I don't watch ultraviolent movies either.
Die Hard is hardly ultraviolent. I've never watched a Rambo movie, or Sin City either.
Your outright blatant Misandry is showing in full force again in this thread Wishy. Keep that in check.
You are 100%... completely... FULL OF SHIT.
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Paddock rented one room facing north and another facing east, and was dead by the time police arrived.
Either he planned to be there with his girlfriend and that's what he had two rooms for or he planned the hell out of this thing.
I wonder why 32nd floor, did that have some personal significance, or was it just what they assigned him??
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"I can see that suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it if I please" Johnny Mandel
M*A*S*H theme song
Notes from Wiki: Suicide
Means
Hanging, pesticide poisoning, firearms
Risk factors
Depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, personality disorders, alcoholism, substance misuse
Prevention
Limiting access to methods of suicide, treating mental disorders and substance misuse,
proper media reporting of suicide, improving economic conditions
Deaths [apparently, this figure is world wide.]
828,000 / 1.5% (2015)
Rates of completed suicides are generally higher in men than in women, ranging from
1.5 times as much in the developing world to 3.5 times in the developed world.
Suicide is generally most common among those over the age of 70 ...
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Oonj: Stephen Paddock death: Suicide by Cop, public, in a blaze of glory.
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"Stephen Paddock death: Suicide by Cop, public, in a blaze of glory."
Not by cop. Dead when they broke in. BBC has an audio scanner recording of the event. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41466116 It's pretty clear there was no police shooting.
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Saw this on twitter shortly after 5am EST this morning.
Going to hold comment until folks chill the fuck out and we know more of what happened.
CBS dyke crack whore lawyer already has been fired for what she posted on FB.
People are losing their freaking minds.
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"Stephen Paddock death: Suicide by Cop, public, in a blaze of glory."
Not by cop. Dead when they broke in. BBC has an audio scanner recording of the event. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41466116 It's pretty clear there was no police shooting.
OK. I missed something in the news I read, then.
Thought it said He only stopped shooting people when
the cops were able to nail him during the assault.
... oooOO}{OOooo ...
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For sure, reporting can get chaotic in the middle of things.
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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This whole "the world would be better if women were in charge...". All I have to do is look at Christine Lagarde, or "Mutti" Merkel, or Hillary ("we came, we saw, he died") Clinton ...
Women may not instigate as much PERSONAL violence, but they sure don't mind if the guys do their dirty work for them.
By the way, SIX, I doubt that females will catch up to males in terms of interpersonal violence. It can be instigated and increased by society, but I don't think it will ever even out because, across millenia and dozens of societies, it never has. I've never read of a bona fide report of a society of "women warriors". (The Amazons were myth, not reality.) But, we shall see.
Maybe you're right. None of those history lessons had any societies where both men and women were being more and more desensitized to violence everyday via television though.
I'm done with the identity politics on this thread. I'm sure you can see how Wishy started it again with her blatant misandric posts and then swoops Kiki to the rescue of Feminism when I have anything to say about Wishy's bullshit. Funny how against identity politics Kiki is... except when she's not.
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According to NBC News national correspondent Peter Alexander, Eric Paddock has revealed that their father, Patrick Benjamin Paddock, was a bank robber who used to be on the FBI's Most Wanted list.
The Daily Intelligencerobtained an FBI poster dating back to 1969 that depicts a wanted man by the name of Benjamin Hoskins Paddock, who was "diagnosed as psychopathic, has carried firearms in commission of bank robberies" and "reportedly has suicidal tendencies and should be considered armed and very dangerous."
EDITED TO ADD. They are now saying he had 19 freaking guns with him. 19.
RE-EDITED MAKE THAT 23!
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6string
I posted nothing but facts and clearly identified speculation about what was going wrong with Paddock (I supposed he was in the grip of delusions). I sniped no personal snipes, made no statement supporting Wish, and commented no comments as if they were facts.
I'm sorry you and facts have had such a falling-out that you feel the need to take out your frustration with them on me.
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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"Kiki:I'm sorry you and facts have had such a falling-out that you
feel the need to take your frustration with them out on me."
^ A tendency to Troll much?
Mass Shootings ... Las Vegas ...
... oooOO}{OOooo ...
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I think things went south between Jack and me when he decided I'm a feminist, which makes me the enemy.
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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I think Senior Citizenship has put me beyond all that.
Now I just do what I want when I want, I no one seems
to notice ... Otoh, I don't spend much time with pals.
The Women's Lib movement is really beneficial to gals
like me. Else I never would have thought of sticking up
for myself.
It was like, "O! You mean you can Do that?!!"
... oooOO}{OOooo ...
Hey, I remember now ... When I was new on this board, there was a
member who disagreed with everything I said, & acted as if all my
remarks were aimed directly at her.
She was wrong, but I found it really insulting.
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and through the chaos a more clear picture emerges
Personally I believe there may have been just 'one shooter' I know witness and even police remarked about more than one shooter, but its possible people were mistaken. in the blood, chaos and a streesful situation visual witness testimony can be un-reliable...a clear picture can distort over a few mins of strees and people do sometimes recall stuff incorrectly, the guy was heavily armed, may have quickly reloaded and used other guns or there may have been 'echos' of sound around the streets and buildings giving the illusion of more than one shooter?
Very sad situtaion, RIP to the victims and hopefully any injured have a quick and speedy recovery
the news on forum message boards, news sites and blogs
Patrick Benjamin Paddock - violent bank robber & father of Las Vegas shooter.
https://www.thetruckersreport.com/truckingindustryforum/threads/las-ve
gas-mass-shooting-updated-as-of-this-hour.502798/page-11#post-6447695
The father of the suspect in a deadly mass shooting in Las Vegas on Sunday night was a bank robber who escaped from prison and wound up on the FBI's most-wanted list, the suspect's brother reportedly said.
CBS Fires Lawyer?
https://www.facebook.com/groups/441333919315986/permalink/147710426573
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The Father of the Las Vegas Shooter Was a Notorious Bank Robber Who Escaped From Prison
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/10/02/stephen_paddock_s_fa
ther_patrick_benjamin_paddock_was_a_bank_robber_wanted.html
. His late father, a notorious bank robber who spent eight years on the FBI’s 10 Most Wanted List after escaping from a federal prison in Texas, was a very different kind of criminal. The elder Paddock, whose nicknames included “Big Daddy” and “Chrome Dome,” was charged in 1960 with stealing about $25,000 from three separate bank branches in Phoenix, Arizona. Paddock was 34 at the time, and had already been to prison twice for his role in what the Arizona Republic called “confidence games.”
Who is Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock?
https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2017/10/02/who-is-las-vegas-shooter-s
tephen-paddock/
Born on April 9, 1953, Stephen Paddock was 64 years old, a retired accountant with a taste for high-stakes poker who had moved to Nevada just a couple of years earlier. He lived in an upscale retirement community, Sun City Mesquite, at 1372 Babbling Brook Ct, Mesquite, NV 89034, 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas. Police is currently searching his home.
He had working ties to Goddard? NASA and Lockheed?
Stephen Paddock had worked for Lockheed Martin for three years in the 1980s. A Lockheed spokesman said:
“Stephen Paddock worked for a predecessor company of Lockheed Martin from 1985 until 1988. We’re cooperating with authorities to answer questions they may have about Mr. Paddock and his time with the company.”
Stephen Paddock had the number 13 tattooed on his neck.
There’s video footage showing someone who looks like Stephen Paddock in a pink NASA t-shirt wearing a pink pussy hat, at an anti-Trump protest in August 2017 in Reno, NV. (Recall that Paddock had another home in Reno, and had worked for Lockheed Martin, a defense/NASA contractor). The video was uploaded to IndivisibleKara’s Twitter account on August 23, 2017.
Steven Haffley found and uploaded to YouTube a video that better shows the guy in the pink pussy hat, who was standing next to a woman who looks like Marilou Danley.
Father Psychological Disorder
https://everipedia.org/wiki/benjamin-hoskins-paddock/
Paddock was diagnosed as psychopathic?. He reportedly had suicidal tendencies, as well.
Palmer M. Baker Jr., an agent in charge of the Phoenix FBI office, described him as "A glib, smooth-talking man who is egotistical and arrogant." He also made the following statement after he escaped from prison:
Since he has utilized firearms in previous crimes, has employed violence in attempting to evade arrest and has been diagnosed as being psychopathic, Paddock should be
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BINGO.
The shooters who left digital trails have made it clear that their actions were prompted by their perceived loss of power and status in society. They felt slighted by women who do not obey them and their desires, by people of color and queer folks who have fought for, earned, and defended their civil rights, and by a society that doesn’t afford them the respect and place they believe they deserve by accident of their race and gender. They are the product of a changed and ever-changing social context in which historic forms of power and domination are being slowly but loudly destabilized, and of a society that socializes them to believe that this is wrong, and that they deserve to be in positions of power.
https://www.thoughtco.com/the-sociology-of-white-male-shooters-3026218
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Whatever justifies your misandry and self loathing Wishy.
Don't think anybody here is going to bother clicking on that link, but thanks for sharing.
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The average American's response to mass shootings, from what I can tell:
1. Feel horrified. Pray for the families of the victims.
2. Read and share stories about individuals' heroism. Feel a little bit uplifted.
3. Shrug shoulders and say nothing can possibly be done.
4. Repeat.
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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."
Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Syrian regime collusion with ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521
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Originally posted by kpo:
The average American's response to mass shootings, from what I can tell:
1. Feel horrified. Pray for the families of the victims.
2. Read and share stories about individuals' heroism. Feel a little bit uplifted.
3. Shrug shoulders and say nothing can possibly be done.
4. Repeat.
I skip right to 3 and be done with it.
Then again, I don't do facebook and I don't waste time virtue signaling like some other people on this board do.
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Most mass-shooters turn out to be merely a white American man with a non-immigrant-sounding name, from Charles Whitman at the University of Texas tower back in 1966 onward. And from Whitman onward, killers of this sort are described as “deranged” or “disturbed” or “resentful,” their crimes a reflection of their own torment rather than any larger trend or force. They are “troubled” youths, like the white teenaged boy who shot up classmates in West Paducah, Kentucky, in 1997, or the two white teenaged boys who shot up classmates in Columbine, Colorado, two years later, or the white teenaged boy who carried out the atrocity in Newtown, Connecticut. Or “troubled” older people, like the white man in his 60s who shot up the congressional baseball game this summer. A report on the congressional-baseball shooter described his “descent into rage.”
If the killers are not whites with “normal” names, the responsibility for their crime would not be assigned solely to themselves and their tortured psyches.
If killers have Arab-sounding names, it's a new episode of jihad. How often has Donald Trump invoked “San Bernardino” in his speeches, as shorthand for the terrorist threat in our heartland?
If killers are Mexican, they would demonstrate the perils of immigration, and that Mexico is “not sending its best people.”
If killers are illegal immigrants, they’d dramatize the need to crack down harder, right now.
And if killers are black, I shudder to imagine the consequences.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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I can't recall any black mass murderers that didn't have Muslim names.
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Originally posted by G:
hold on until The Change comes.
What change? You had 8 years of hope and change and it didn't get done.
I'd just put that on the long list of other things that still won't get done when Democrats run the show again, along with things like taking care of the Electoral College and getting out of Middle Eastern wars.
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Quote:I see you missed the point about how the news covers these stories: If the killer is white, he is just another troubled man. If the killer is black, he is part of an international Muslim terrorist conspiracy to kill all Christians. That is how FOX News covers these stories.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I can't recall any black mass murderers that didn't have Muslim names.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by SECOND:Quote:I see you missed the point about how the news covers these stories: If the killer is white, he is just another troubled man. If the killer is black, he is part of an international Muslim terrorist conspiracy to kill all Christians. That is how FOX News covers these stories.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I can't recall any black mass murderers that didn't have Muslim names.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
So is it how "The News" covers these stories or how "Fox News" covers these stories. Which is it? There's a big difference between the two statements.
I didn't miss the point. I was purposefully ignoring it.
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So NOW the live in g/f is a " person of interest ", but not before ?
Gee, I'm glad the FBI guys are all over this one.
/sarcasm
@second - for decades, the explanation for excessive black violence has been any number of the following - economically disadvantaged , living in a overtly racist country, broken homes and disintegrating family structure, constant reminders of being inferior by media and news reports of ... well, blacks committing crimes , poor education, etc...
These are LEFT WING excuses, which get amplified over and over again in a broken , agenda driven education system as well as the MSM echo chamber.
So when a OLD WHITE GUY, who seemingly had every known advantage there is... wealth, tall stature ( apparently guys who are tall get laid more and make more $ ) , why would he have any reason to strike out at society ???
It runs completely counter to what we're SUPPOSE to believe, unless...
It has zero do to w/ race at all. Hmmm...
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It has zero do to w/ race at all. Hmmm...
I think I mentioned it's a gender issue, but you made record time in absolving white men for their part. Black males only make up 16% of mass shooters (meaning more than two at a setting). I expected you to make the same tired comment about "How many shootings in Chicago every weekend?" that white men make EVERY TIME gun control is brought up.
So far I've noticed this pattern among white men that they don't want to admit they have irrational anger issues. Deep-level denial is partially why this crap keeps happening.
"WHAAAAHHHHH, I'm not powerful and universally loved, I think I'll go shoot some things..."
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Yeah, because overgeneralizing everything to fit her agenda is Wishy's thing.
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Of this entire list of 128 rampage killers in the western hemisphere, going back to 1863, there's only 1 woman (Fugate, a teenager) listed, and she's in tandem with a much older male boyfriend and accomplice (Starkweather). Since that covers a very lengthy timespan and multiple cultures, where the roles of women were vastly different and undergoing active change, it's a pretty solid observation. Men can take credit for 99%+ of rampage killings.
Per Kiki's quote here, there have been 127 rampage killers in the western hemisphere going back to 1863. Somebody want to take a guess at how many men have lived in the western hemisphere since 1863? A billion? Two billion? Ten billion?
Assuming only 1 billion, 0.000000127% of men who have lived in the western hemisphere since 1863 have become rampage killers.
Lookout women. You're in BIG trouble. They're EVERYWHERE!!!
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Data from earlier reports suggest a far smaller percentage of men—around 5 to 7 percent—were killed by intimate partners.
The CDC analyzed the murders of women in 18 states from 2003 to 2014, finding a total of 10,018 deaths. Of those, 55 percent were intimate partner violence-related, meaning they occurred at the hands of a former or current partner.
Take out the two percent for lesbian relationships, Men are GREAT. 
How many spree killings is ENOUGH? How many domestic violence murders is ENOUGH to see that women AREN'T the problem?
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Then again, I don't do facebook
What's the difference between that and HERE?
I even know your name.
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Religion is irrational. Political motivation is irrational. And lord knows, women sure as hell are irrational as well.
Wish - your comments are truly worthless on this matter. You want to bash white men for the actions of Steven Paddock ? By all means, make an ass of yourself and go for it. No skin off my noes. You're just missing - everything.
BTW - Paddock seems to be the very opposite of what you claim as motivation for such violent temper tantrums. Wealthy, tall, white, no wife, but with a live in g/f... by many standards, he's living the dream. So why isn't the MSM getting the full story here ?
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You're just missing - everything.
It's called FACTS. You might wanna try them some time.
Men are more violent, including murdering more....FACT
White men go on murder rampages more ....FACT
Men murder the people they live with more in every category except under one year of age...FACT.
Men do dugs more...FACT
Men are alcoholics more...FACT
Men even rape other men more than they rape women...FACT
Even male children are unintentionally violent more...FACT
Men commit road rage more...FACT
The 2013 National Survey on Drug Use and Health indicated that close to 12 percent of American males age 12 and older were currently using illegal drugs, compared with just over 7.3 percent of females in the same age group. Multi-drug use was also more common in males than in females.
Data from the Office for National Statistics suggest men drink an average of 18.7 units a week, compared with 9.0 units for women.
More men are raped in the U.S. than woman, according to figures that include sexual abuse in prisons.
In 2008, it was estimated 216,000 inmates were sexually assaulted while serving time, according to the Department of Justice figures.
That is compared to 90,479 rape cases outside of prison.
Boys were killed in unintentional shootings more than three times as often as girls. And boys were more than 10 times as likely as girls to pull the trigger in an unintentional shooting
The person who is most susceptible to road rage is a male under the age of 19.
Seriously, I could do this all night.
The point I am trying to make is... bitching at women or even feminists is pretty goddamn stupid when you compare the things that men do.
I am NEVER gonna see 6ix complain that men should be more civil. I am never going to see him say men have serious and deadly mental health issues or speculate at why that is. I am only going to see him complain about people who are pretty harmless on the spectrum of things, and mainly because he is impotent to make them what HE wants. And he is just one of MANY MANY men I have seen online who are just as fixated on the things WOMEN do when they need to fixate on themselves.
Take a look at the MAN IN THE MIRROR. If you can.
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The man in the mirror is looking pretty good, princess.
You realize that everybody here knows that you're the most angry and irrational person on this board, don't you?
You're so full of hate and anger I wonder if you're actually one of the men you hate so much and you get to go online and pretend that you're a woman and make a whole back story for yourself. We already know you hate yourself because you're white. It would be no surprise to anybody if you were a man as well.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you don't actually know what my name is.
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:
The average American's response to mass shootings, from what I can tell:
1. Feel horrified. Pray for the families of the victims.
2. Read and share stories about individuals' heroism. Feel a little bit uplifted.
3. Shrug shoulders and say nothing can possibly be done.
4. Repeat.
I skip right to 3 and be done with it.
Indeed. The Onion captures this perfectly:
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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."
Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Syrian regime collusion with ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521
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Quote:If only Stephen Paddock had been a Muslim, or if he had been a member of ISIS, or if we had a picture of him posing with a Quran in one hand and his semiautomatic rifle in another, no one would be telling us not to dishonor the victims and “politicize” Paddock’s mass murder by talking about preventive remedies.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
@second - for decades, the explanation for excessive black violence has been any number of the following - economically disadvantaged , living in a overtly racist country, broken homes and disintegrating family structure, constant reminders of being inferior by media and news reports of ... well, blacks committing crimes , poor education, etc...
These are LEFT WING excuses, which get amplified over and over again in a broken , agenda driven education system as well as the MSM echo chamber.
So when a OLD WHITE GUY, who seemingly had every known advantage there is... wealth, tall stature ( apparently guys who are tall get laid more and make more $ ) , why would he have any reason to strike out at society ???
It runs completely counter to what we're SUPPOSE to believe, unless...
It has zero do to w/ race at all. Hmmm...
We’d be scheduling immediate hearings in Congress about the worst domestic terrorism event since 9/11. Then President Donald Trump would be tweeting every hour “I told you so,” as he does minutes after every terror attack in Europe, precisely to immediately politicize them. Then there would be immediate calls for a commission of inquiry to see what new laws we need to put in place to make sure this doesn’t happen again.
We will turn the world upside down to track down the last Islamic State fighter in Syria. And how many Americans has the Islamic State killed in the Middle East? I forget. Is it 15 or 20? Fewer than 59 killed in Las Vegas. And our president never stops telling us that when it comes to ISIS, defeat is not an option.
But when fighting the NRA — the National Rifle Association, which more than any other group has prevented the imposition of common-sense gun-control laws — victory is never an option.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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WISHY
While men constitute the majority of those convicted of a violent crime, the majority of men aren't violent. Although I can't find the simple statistic "What percent of men have been convicted of a violent crime?" a full 97% of white men and 80% of black men have never been jailed. http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/000312240406900201 And unless you're willing to say that there is a racial component of violence, it's clear from the disparate stats on blacks versus whites that part of that disparity is social, and not related to sex.
So while it is fair to say that the majority of violent criminals are men, it's NOT fair to say that the majority of men are violent criminals.
Men are also more likely to be autistic https://molecularautism.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13229-015-
0019-y,
more likely to be both less and MORE intelligent than women https://qz.com/441905/men-are-both-dumber-and-smarter-than-women/
and more likely to be sociopaths https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23544428
It's almost as if there are more genetic controls on female brain development/behavior than on male brain development/behavior. From an evolutionary standpoint, that would make sense since females are the primary caregivers and females are also the rate-limiting step in human reproduction.
Well. In any case, back to violence. Men in all cultures are on the average more violent than women in that culture, but the rate varies widely by culture: We Americans would rate men in highly conformist cultures (Japan, Denmark) to be virtually non-violent by our standards. And most men are, as a whole, non violent in ANY culture.
Like any trait that exists on a distribution, it's impossible to castigate an entire sex for the deviance of a percentage of its members.
I guess the real question is whether this male/female discrepancy in violence is consequential to the greatest discrepancy in our current society, which is the huge WEALTH GAP in which a tiny fraction of society has commandeered the majority of wealth.
My guess is that today, the real critical sex difference is sociopathy, not interpersonal violence, since violent people tend to be poorer and therefore more often victims of successful sociopaths. IF we were to make a difference in society, we would be arresting sociopaths of either sex, not the violent.
In other words, as headline-grabbing as the mass shooter is, the overwhelming majority of people will never encounter one. OTOH, the sociopathic practices of the CEOs of Equifax, Wells Fargo, Microsoft, and Facebook, and the sociopathic policies of our fearless leaders affect almost everyone.
Hard to do, but we should be looking at successful sociopaths, not the criminally violent, no matter how splashy their actions. While I'm as guilty as anyone with a "traffic accident" attention focus, it's not the Stephen Paddocks who are driving society.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
The man in the mirror is looking pretty good, princess.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you don't actually know what my name is.
Sure. Ya look great. If your only accomplishment in life goals is owning a house.
BTW, that minion's name is Kevin. You told everyone your name back when you were drunk. I was trying to be tactful, but... oh well.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
While men constitute the majority of those convicted of a violent crime, the majority of men aren't violent.
Men are also more likely to be autistic
...and more likely to be sociopaths
It's almost as if there are more genetic controls on female brain development/behavior than on male brain development/behavior.
Sorry, I dispute that. Violence isn't JUST in criminal convictions. It's the whole picture. Which was MY point. Every man I've ever met is violent in some way. Whether it's beating the kids, the wife, sport shooting, violent games, self-harm, punching walls, OR going to jail for something.
We pretty much agree that men are more mentally broken, then. I just didn't take pages to say it.
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But this is a white man's problem. According to an analysis by Mother Jones, out of 62 cases between 1982 and 2012 (a time period that would not include the actions of Dylann Roof or Stephen Paddock, among others), 44 of the killers were white men and only one was a woman. Since 1982, mass shootings in the United States have been committed by white men who are often labeled "lone wolves" or "psychologically impaired." As a result, the government that would otherwise be mobilizing its institutions to bring about reform remains a stalwart of the Second Amendment and mass shootings' greatest ally. An over-affinity for guns among white men, dangerous against any other backdrop, gets defended as patriotism by many conservatives or even as white pride by those on the alt-right.
In fact, according to a 2014 poll conducted by Fox News, nearly seven in 10 Republicans believed that gun ownership is patriotic. If espoused by other groups, this sentiment and this number might be considered threatening. Instead, it is welcomed in a way that many believe gives tacit encouragement to potential mass shooters.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/opinions/mass-shootings-white-male-rage-
modan-opinion/index.html
THIS ARTICLE HITS IT RIGHT ON THE NOSE.
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Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
The man in the mirror is looking pretty good, princess.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you don't actually know what my name is.
Sure. Ya look great. If your only accomplishment in life goals is owning a house.
BTW, that minion's name is Kevin. You told everyone your name back when you were drunk. I was trying to be tactful, but... oh well.
See what I mean, everyone.
This is Wishy.
Angry. Hateful. Spiteful. Petty. Pathetic.
Tactful is not in your repertoire.
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And no. If I told you my name was Kevin when I was drunk, I was lying. I can't tell if you found that picture and you're saying his name is Kevin or what you're trying to say.
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Honestly don't understand this violent savage mass mudering crazy fuck, he doesn't seem to have any political or religious motivation...maybe a motivation to beat the media's last body count...this is a spirt of evil and murder and its hard to understand this wicked insanity and evil, perhaps we never will?
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Wealthy, tall, white, no wife, but with a live in g/f... by many standards, he's living the dream. So why isn't the MSM getting the full story here ?
I agree this guy would have been very difficult to see coming, what else can Police or FBI do? Maybe scanners at the Hotel but if someone is determined to kill and get past the security nets then how can they be stopped? perhaps only in some kind of massive Big Brother Joe Stalin society where everyone's movement tracked, every phone call, every mail there might have been one or two more clues....but who the hell wants to a society where the collective population face collective punishment entirely because of the actions of one criminal
His father did have a violent history thourgh and was diagosed psycho and wanted by the FBI, perhaps this had some kind of influece on his stupid, violent, selfish life? but then he chose to become a criminal mass muderer while the brother did not?
I'm not American, but I do know many Americans and lived and worked in America a while and I have a good feeling Americans would rather have their laws much like they are and don't want to live in some kind of giant big brother society where people are investigated for 'thought crimes'
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We pretty much agree that men are more mentally broken, then. I just didn't take pages to say it.
LMAO, I disagree right now in Europe...some of the bigger threats to European stability would be the legacy of idiots like Hillary Clinton and her friends at NATO, who absolutely Destroyed a more or less stable dictaorship turning it into an ISIS islamist hellhole and it now floods Europe with illegal invaders
Tell me if you had a choice who would you side with... the Chameleon Angela Merkel, one second she's Conservative then next Leftist Socialist, then she's a Federal Germany Republican, next she's acting like an insane Communist....this 'do-gooder' a childless greedy power mongering woman wants to Flood Germany, Europe and Flood the West with illegals and invaders from all parts of the world
...now you can chose to side with this woman because of her saggy tits and stand along side her because of her Female German Vagina
or you could side with the Border Police in Europe, the so-called Far-Right Leaders like Viktor Orbán the nations different Army and national Cops....who want to continue working with otehr nations, people who continue commerce and business but people who want to 'Protect' their borders...if that makes people Violent or Far-Right in Your Mind then so be it
It is true that Males are the more violent sex but let's also take history and biology into context....it was not to long ago where a Man was out ranching in America...he could expect his horse or family or cattle to come under attack by say a Wild Cougar, maybe unhappy Native Americans, or a Boar or a Bear or a Wild Wolf or something, America itself was born through violence a violent, born first as the Rapper ICe-T would describe by way of the gun, old Dutch, English, Spainsh and other invaders shot and killed Natives, ICE T would remark how America was born by the gun and lands of Indian America 'WAS stolen' from the Native American Indian, the Civil War and the freeing of Southern Slaves was resolved through violence, the War Independence a war to break away from the British Empire, the battles of American Revolutionary War again this independence was won through canon fire and guns, this need to fight to secure American land, against Wolves, against the poor Indian Native, it is in the DNA and it was not too long ago not too many generations that
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Wait...weren't we just told over the last few years that there's ZERO difference between men and women, we're basically the exact same, equal and damn near interchangeable ? I could identify as a man for my entire adult life, but hey, if on next Tuesday, I changed my mind and wanted to identify as a woman, that's OK !
But one mass shooting, and it's suddenly MEN SUCK ! MEN ARE VIOLENT ! MEN DO DRUGS !!! ...
Fair enough. But speaking of DRUGS, does anyone want to address the elephant in the room that every mass shooter was on some form of psychotropic medication ??
Or is that a FACT we just want to gloss over , hmmmm ??
And I'm sure it's TOTALLY unrelated, but while Hillary and the usual suspects are bashing the NRA for something a drugged up shooter did, yet again, let's not forget this nugget of information...
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I think the whole more than one shooter or two shooters thing is largely debunked, as people won't remember and recall everything correctly with all the chaos, blood and gunfire, also sounds of gunfire could have echoed off buildings giving a false sense or illusion of more than one shotter
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I see you missed the point about how the news covers these stories: If the killer is white, he is just another troubled man.
LT Col Tony Shaffer talks about the rise in extremism on the left, uses the word Terrorism, talked about Leftwing Extremism and how Las Vegas is shaping up to be deliberate act of terror?
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Fair enough. But speaking of DRUGS, does anyone want to address the elephant in the room that every mass shooter was on some form of psychotropic medication ??
Or is that a FACT we just want to gloss over , hmmmm ??
That's an interesting point you made, I wonder if this also applied overseas, many shooting happened in the USA but I know there are a few mass murder rampage killers that also occured in Canada, France, Australia, England, Switzerland.... I wonder if in these cases too the person or people were on some kind of psycological medications...
...if the BigPharma are making some kind of drugs which are damaging and warping people's mind, chemically changing and disturbing people enough to lead them on a path to kill that would be a big story
Could they cover it up? BigPharma would have to buy out a lot of politicians and world news media
...the conspiracy seems a bit too far-fetched to me
However I do remember seeing the faces of some of these arrested killers, some of the school shooters and that Batman theatre guy looked out of their minds, even weird almost demon-possessed like? maybe some of them are on drugs?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/james-holmes-trial-batman-cine
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One guy James Holmes took haunting selfies of himself posing the black contact lenses in the days before the 'Batman' massacre.
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...now you can chose to side with this woman because of her saggy tits and stand along side her because of her Female German Vagina
Why do matriarchal society and culture always find a destiny to implode and collapse?
I'm going to say something which may even hurt or offend my American friends...but this is what I think
America has FAILED TO EVOLVE and needs to Evolve
Was there a question in there or are you just typing with your saggy dick?
Nevermind. We know yer an idiot.
When you explain why KINGDOMS fail, I'll explain why QUEENDOMS fail.
England has been doing pretty well, despite saggy boobs. Lots of queens there...
I agree, we've failed to evolve to rid ourselves of religion and political parties fast enough, we've failed to give mandatory mental health screenings (of which you would fail COMPLETELY) and limit the amount of weapons you can own and NOT be a dealer. We've failed to elect sane and competent leadership, and sponsor comprehensive education and health plans.
We have also failed to get white males to see they have smaller penises than black males, which is causing many problems. They buy guns to compensate, then shoot people when they can no longer get it up, It's VERY sad.
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Wait...weren't we just told over the last few years that there's ZERO difference between men and women,
NO, no one ever said men and women are exactly the same, they were trying to get *geniuses* such as yourself to understand that in THIS country, if you want to do a traditional guys job and you are female, you can try for that. If you wanted to a traditional woman's job and you are male, you can go for that. Think about all the stay-at-home dads....Woman aren't the only ones to benefit from role reversal. Unless the job is penis model or vagina model, we're all humans and pretty interchangeable.
Like acting. No one should care of a women is doing a part or a man is doing the part BECAUSE IT IS *ACTING*. It's not REAL, anyhow.
And they were on drugs probably because they had mental issues. Would you rather they HADN'T taken anything and maybe shot people SOONER.
Hubby is on drugs, and I wouldn't want to go back to NO drugs. It doesn't work.
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Rampage killers, USA, since 1900 ... actual list is too long.
those with minimum of 10 deaths ... eliminates the majority of them.
Year Deaths Place
1903 10 Winfield, KS
Gilbert Twigg
1949 13 Camden, NJ
Howard Barton Unruh
1958 10 Nebraska to Wyoming
Charles Starkweather & Caril Fugate
1964 43 Danville, CA
Francisco Gonzales
1984 21 San Diego, CA
James Huberty
1987 42 San Luis Obispo, CA
David Burke
1990 11 Jacksonville, FL
James Pough
1991 23 Killeen, TX
George Hennard
2002 11 Baton Rouge LA-Maryland VA-Washington DC
John Muhammad & Lee Malvo
2009, 13 Binghampton, NY
Jiverly Wong
2009, 10 Kinston, Samson & Geneva, Alabama
Michael McLendon
2012 12 Aurora, CO
James E Holmes
2017 60+ Paradise, NV
Stephen Paddock
I did think about Bonnie & Clyde ... but they "rampaged" for profit.
Probably the only way this list could teach us anything ...
who are these guys? what are they like? how do we spot 'em? ...
is if it were analyzed by psychologists & psychiatrists.
My guess is that all of these killers were born with broken/abnormal
brain chemistry. Probably, bad nurture also a key element.
As such, they could be spotted ahead of time.
... oooOO}{OOooo ...
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Wow. Just.... wow.
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Probably the only way this list could teach us anything ...
who are these guys? what are they like? how do we spot 'em? ...
is if it were analyzed by psychologists & psychiatrists.
My guess is that all of these killers were born with broken/abnormal
brain chemistry. Probably, bad nurture also a key element.
As such, they could be spotted ahead of time.
... oooOO}{OOooo ...
Maybe. By what means though?
I can't imagine any scenario where active steps would be taken that wouldn't be both very expensive to implement as well as being a great invasion of privacy of every American citizen.
I guess it all depends on where you land with your thoughts on Orwellian/Huxleyan lore.
Personally, I'm getting too old to care about any of this shit and I don't imagine I'd be around long enough to see the day that actually implement the necessary programs. I guess it's a question of what kind of future you want to leave for your kids if you have any.
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Probably the only way this list could teach us anything ...
who are these guys? what are they like? how do we spot 'em? ...
is if it were analyzed by psychologists & psychiatrists.
My guess is that all of these killers were born with broken/abnormal
brain chemistry. Probably, bad nurture also a key element.
As such, they could be spotted ahead of time.
That's what we were talking about on page one. The overwhelming majority of spree killers are white males. And if you say that around white males they just deflect about black men shooting more people individually, like it matters, or they are in a twisted blame game competition...
Then I pointed out males are more violent then women, and they get defensive again. I think I hit a nerve.
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lol...
repeat yourself much, Princess?
Everybody has been here for the show you're putting on.
Hell... you're doing such a bang up job convincing everybody you're right that even Kiki has all but flat out denied that she's a feminist earlier in this thread.
Keep going. Show everybody what I'm talking about when I say that the feminist movement has been co-opted by extremists and lunatics.
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Quote:... yelling at people on the internet ...
While men constitute the majority of those convicted of a violent crime, the majority of men aren't violent.
Men are also more likely to be autistic
...and more likely to be sociopaths
It's almost as if there are more genetic controls on female brain development/behavior than on male brain development/behavior. - SIGNY
Sorry, I dispute that. Violence isn't JUST in criminal convictions. It's the whole picture. Which was MY point. Every man I've ever met is violent in some way. Whether it's beating the kids, the wife, sport shooting, violent games, self-harm, punching walls ...
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... OR going to jail for something. - WISHY
Yanno WISHY, you're one of the angriest people here. Now, you may have your reasons, but I wouldn't be going around telling people that all men are violent and angry if I were you, otherwise someone might mistake you for a man.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Goin' back to the PRE-Civilization caveman days with Alley Oop
(& Oola) by V.T. Hamlin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V._T._Hamlin
Back in those days, it was just "natural" & inevitable.
Men were strong & adventurous; women were beautiful &
liked to? stay home cleaning the Cave.
It's true, too: Men are built for running, hunting & combat;
women are built for babies.
In my youth, it seemed very unfair to let the men have all the fun.
But when I watch boxing or football ... Let George do it.
Men & Women are different because it took both sets of
skills to maintain a community in the old days. Even now,
as I see it, vive la difference.
I no longer worry about the very unfairness of it.
... oooOO}{OOooo ...
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I have a feeling there is some sort of deception or lies going on, I don't know where it is coming from but something is not adding up
He planned this, maybe even wanted to shoot up a ?Life is Beautiful Festival? before this event? He is or was rich, can send money, wire hundred thousand dollars? He has a safe the size of a fridge? Some clips say he had no training but clearly he has training and some sort of weapons experience. Now there is talk of a Secret Life? He possibly once worked for the government, maybe NASA or worked in Defense? He had Explosives in Rooms or Cars? Possible Domestic Terrorism?
Will we ever get the full truth?
There’s no way to report many of the fastest-spreading Las Vegas conspiracy theories on Facebook
https://qz.com/1094282/las-vegas-shooting-theres-no-way-to-report-many
-of-the-fastest-spreading-las-vegas-conspiracy-theories-on-facebook/
It is possible the NRA is itself part of this crazy media industry, the film mkaer Moore who did an interview/ambush on that old actor, Bowling for Columbines famous Charlton Heston Clips....Does it suit the NRA and other groups to politicall bunker down and sell a conspiracy that somthing is up? there are second shooters, something false, people lying or acting...who wins and can profit from dis-information? Are Facebook and Google now blocking links to 4Chan, Blogs and Facebook itself?... Would this be false and conspiracy or some tinfoil plot sold by fanatic gun owners?
https://8ch.net/pol/index.html
...the Paranoid Gun Loving Redneck Conspiracy?
Four Seasons Hotel Las Vegas is not a stand-alone structure. It is located on the top five floors of Mandalay Bay
'....need to explore the angle of...'
but what are the facts???
...on Vegas...We know the City was Described Many Times as 'Sin City' and Historically Built by the Mob
Are the Facts on all this Man's Actions Adding Up?
Next
His room....
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which goes for $590 US a night, was free for Paddock because he was a good customer who wagered tens of thousands of dollars each time he visited the casino
items confiscated from Paddock included 1,600 rounds of ammunition and several containers of an explosive commonly used in target shooting that totaled 50 pounds. But it wasn't clear what, if anything, Paddock planned to do with the explosives, the sheriff said.
Las Vegas sheriff says gunman's 'secret life' slowing search for motive
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/las-vegas-shooting-motive-1.4333737
'He had to have help at some point': Las Vegas gunman's level of planning, firearms and ammo point to an ACCOMPLICE, police say - as they search for mystery woman he was seen with in his last days
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4950426/Las-Vegas-shooter-ESCA
PE-planned-police-reveal.html#
Google said in a statement that a link to the "Politically Incorrect" message board on 4chan.org appeared for several hours in its "Top Stories" search results before its search algorithm replaced it with more relevant results. The 4chan result only appeared "for a small number of queries," Google said.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/las-vegas-latest-officials-update-number-o
f-firearms-found-1.3614896
Facebook said its security team removed results from the conservative political website "The Gateway Pundit" and other similar posts.
Writer Walter Kirn says, I fear the #LasVegasShooter acted out of that most chilling & empty of all-American motives. To set a record. To be number one. That's it
Chilling indeed, and chillingly plausible.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/10/03/las_vegas_shooting_q
uestions_still_unanswered.html
Las Vegas gunman targeted aviation fuel tanks during shooting spree, report says
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/05/las-vegas-gunman-targeted-aviatio
n-fuel-tanks-during-shooting-spree-report-says.html
We are getting answers from the mainstream media and facts on the crime sc
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@ wishi - apparently you've been in a deep coma for the past 10 years. Yes, many have been saying that men and women are exactly the same, and that gender is a false social construct. And the issue here is not "jobs". My God, we're talking about the physiology and biological differences of men and women. Our bodies are different, our brains to work differently. That is undeniable.
I know for damn sure that I am wasting my time trying to explain this to a person who is dead set on trying to steer the conversation into uncharted, unrelated matters.
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I don't mean to derail the thread from the shooting event, there's a lot of new and puzzling information coming out about it this. For example, when I first heard that Paddock had 10 guns in his hotel room, I wondered how he could have gotten all of them past hotel security. Now that I read that he had "over 20" guns in his room, plus who-knows-how-many magazines of ammo ... it's not that a 64 year-old man couldn't carry all that stuff up to his room, but it would require MANY trips .... with heavy bags ... up the elevator. So, what is Mandalay Bay .... the Equifax of hotel security??
But to get back to the issue of men and women ... WISHY, if you insist that "men" are more violent than "women", and you make this an issue of sex, then you're opening yourself up to the argument that "men" are also SMARTER than women because of their sex. Discrimination based on genetics cuts both ways.
I think YOUR problem, WISHY, and a problem that a LOT of people have, is that they deal with people categorically instead of individually. We get used to talking about "men" and "women" and "old people" and "they" as if every single member meets the characteristics that we've assigned to the category. "Men" are more violent than women, "men" are taller than women, "men" are smarter than women. IN REALITY, there is a huge overlap between men and women. Yes, men ON THE AVERAGE are taller than women, but does that mean that all men are taller than all women? Yes, men on the average have a slightly higher IQ than women, but did you know that Emmy Noether, a female mathematician in pre-WWII Europe and contemporary of Einstein, solved a mathematical conundrum at the heart of Einstein's theory by forwarding a theorem now called "Noether's Theorem", and that Einstein called her a "genius"? Yes, "men" are ON THE AVERAGE more violent than women, but there are plenty of peaceable men, and plenty of violent women. Instead of dealing with people categorically, maybe we should assess them individually? Statistics do indeed tell us something about the associations of one thing to another .... blacks are interpersonally more violent than whites, but whites are mass murderers ... but instead treating everyone as if they're the inevitable outcome of their genes, we should probably look at them as individuals instead. That overcomes the problem of both positive and negative prejudice.
Back to our regularly scheduled topic ....
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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wow... nicely stated.
I have no response to that.
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I'm not meaning to target you specifically Sig, yours was just the post that finally jolted me to join in this discussion:
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it's not that a 64 year-old man couldn't carry all that stuff up to his room, but it would require MANY trips .... with heavy bags ... up the elevator. So, what is Mandalay Bay .... the Equifax of hotel security??
Are you suggesting there's something wrong with an American citizen carrying his arsenal of 20 guns around with him? Is that not his constitutional right?
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WISHY, if you insist that "men" are more violent than "women",
Just skimming through this thread, but is the idea that men are statistically more violent than women supposed to be controversial?
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then you're opening yourself up to the argument that "men" are also SMARTER than women because of their sex.
More 'violent' and more 'intelligent' - to me that sounds contradictory.
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Yes, men on the average have a slightly higher IQ than women,
There are many different types of intelligence, IQ is the male scientists' who invented it idea of intelligence. Naturally it skews towards male brains, one could argue.
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Instead of dealing with people categorically, maybe we should assess them individually?
I think we can all agree that it's bad to stereotype. Can we not also agree that statistics can teach us profound things about ourselves and our societies - things that, maybe, we ought to confront? Being able to mentally hold both of these truths at once is the key to grown up debate.
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lol
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I no longer worry about the very unfairness of it.
It may not bug you as much, because you may not have not been affected by it as much?
I'm a woodworker. Have been since I was old enough to swing a hammer. In Jr High, I was put in a group with other males who would not let me touch a single tool for a group project. I went and did my own project and got an D on it because I!!! didn't work in the group when there was NO working with them.
Took woodshop and tech crew in high school when all the other girls -except one- didn't. I have seen how incredibly assholic a male can be to a female when she holds power tools... dozens of times. The other girl was injured because of a guy in the class that just could not leave her alone. Had to have plastic surgery on her face.
I even worked at a veneer plant with all guys who tried to get me fired when I suggested to the boss he have a talk with one of the pricks that could not shut up about "T and A" ALL DAY LONG. I didn't go above anyone's head, I didn't file anything, I tried to be civil and they tried to fire me for it! I had to threaten to sue. The plant closed a couple weeks later, thankfully.
I have three family members who work construction. Had I been born with a penis, I would have been invited to join the family business, but because I have tits instead, two of them cannot even look me in the eye when they speak to me.
When I was a night manager at a gas station, one of the people I was in charge of was infatuated with me. Used to call me at home and tell me he loved me (he was 46, black, a drunk, and a foot shorter than me
). I finally had to tell him off, and he decided that after that he wasn't going to do anything I asked him to do, so I ended up doing BOTH our jobs, until I could find another.The ONLY males I have found that have half of brain one are on the Autism Spectrum, and it's because they are smart enough to know gender doesn't really matter. They get put down because they are different, so they know what that means. Have not met one neuro-typical male who could put the gender crap down long enough to just get the damn work done.
I have many many more stories, but because I am the only female living near my grandmother (as she had three sons and my mother lives in Texas) I spent all day driving her around and doing ridiculous nonsensical errands (today was picking up an old carpet remnant so she could put it in the garage??) and I am tired.
Men SUCK.
Even my dad, who was fairly smart...raped mom because he thought he could. Violently beat us because his dad did. Told me I couldn't have his truck, because girls shouldn't drive trucks. Not the first idiot I've heard THAT from...
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@ wishi - apparently you've been in a deep coma for the past 10 years. Yes, many have been saying that men and women are exactly the same, and that gender is a false social construct.
Just AVENS and Non-binary say that, but of course you would think if one person on the opposing side says it they all must.
Normal people just want normal job rights. That's what it's ALWAYS been about, since Rosie the Riveter...
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Normal people have normal job rights.
You've got two jobs Wishy. Whatever your day job is and professional victim.
You've lived your entire life being the victim. If you acknowledged the fact that everybody has equal opportunity in 2017, it would strip you of your very identity so you cling onto false logic and skewed statistics to validate your hatred and misandry.
I had a hard childhood too. Wasn't easy being the shortest boy in class and having glasses and braces at the same time. Kids are shitty. Both boys and girls. Men don't automatically have everything handed to them because they're in the penis club. There all in competition with each other from the moment we're in grade school.
You're a mom with a child. It's time for you to grow up and start acting like one or she's going to grow up to be a scared little man hating woman like you one day.
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6 has a point.
I am a LOL, a sweet little old lady ... who drives a truck.
It sort of picked me: My brother wanted to get rid of it,
& I could afford it.
I like my truck.
My family was the opposite of yours in one way. My Mom beat
my Dad up all the time; but it wasn't physical; it was verbal,
emotional, almost endless.
See, they both were the youngest in their families, the babies.
Not Adults.
I'll be 75 in November. I've worked thru a big pile of emotional
garbage in my life, both in & out of therapy. Read a few books
on it, too. I'm better now. Did the lessons kick in or did the
traumas fade? Some of the earliest ones still nag at me.
None of the changes came fast enough for me ... until they were done.
What I mainly work on now is a bit of mental control: meditation for peace.
The Men? Some/Lots of them really are gentle, caring Princes.
But the Nasties kick up a storm, threaten & draw more attention to themselves.
Now I can choose which ones will have my attention.
... oooOO}{OOooo ...
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Just AVENS and Non-binary say that, but of course you would think if one person on the opposing side says it they all must.
Normal people just want normal job rights. That's what it's ALWAYS been about, since Rosie the Riveter...
Don't know what AVENS or Non-binary has to do w/ anything, but in a thread about a mass shooter where you try to lay blame on MALES , I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy and nonsense that is you.
have a nice day.
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Quote:Oh goodies. You've decided to follow me from thread to thread, trolling.
KRAPO:I'm not meaning to target you specifically Sig, yours was just the post that finally jolted me to join in this discussion:
Quote:Hotels have the right to limit what you can bring onto their property, and - in a city awash with cash and alcohol - guns are not welcome.
SIG: it's not that a 64 year-old man couldn't carry all that stuff up to his room, but it would require MANY trips .... with heavy bags ... up the elevator. So, what is Mandalay Bay .... the Equifax of hotel security??
KRAPO: Are you suggesting there's something wrong with an American citizen carrying his arsenal of 20 guns around with him? Is that not his constitutional right?
Quote:No, but that's not what WISHY wrote. What she posted was that ALL MEN ARE VIOLENT. And she posted it more than once. Learn to read, willya?
SIGNY: WISHY, if you insist that "men" are more violent than "women"
KRAPO: Just skimming through this thread, but is the idea that men are statistically more violent than women supposed to be controversial?
Quote:You're confusing intelligence with ethics. Violence is one tool in the toolkit of manipulating your environment. Those who are willing to, and who know how to employ violence have more options than others. For example, some sociopaths are scary smart, scary effective, and also just plain scary.
SIGNY: then you're opening yourself up to the argument that "men" are also SMARTER than women because of their sex.
KRAPO: More 'violent' and more 'intelligent' - to me that sounds contradictory.
Quote:True. But however measured, male IQ definitely has a different distribution than female: higher standard deviation, and skewed somewhat more towards visualization.
SIGNY: Yes, men on the average have a slightly higher IQ than women
KRAPO: There are many different types of intelligence, IQ is the male scientists' who invented it idea of intelligence. Naturally it skews towards male brains, one could argue.
Quote:Isn't that what I said? "Statistics do indeed tell us something about the associations of one thing to another" There are two problems with the way people use statistics, though, which I'm sure you're aware of: (1) Statistics don't tell us about causality. For example, stats tell us that blacks are more interpersonally violent than whites. However, unless you've also gathered data on education, unemployment, exposure to lead, family structure etc. you might be tempted to follow the stats to say that being black is the CAUSE of interpersonal violence. When two things are correlated, it could be that A causes B, B causes A, A and B are caused by C, or coincidence. (2) People don't understand that populations have a distribution. They assume that all members of a population are like the average.
SIGNY: Instead of dealing with people categorically, maybe we should assess them individually?
KRAPO: I think we can all agree that it's bad to stereotype. Can we not also agree that statistics can teach us profound things about ourselves and our societies - things that, maybe, we ought to confront? Being able to mentally hold both of these truths at once is the key to grown up debate.
I hope that puts your misunderstandings, and your trolling, to rest.
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Mass Killings: An Evolutionary Perspective
Some aspects of mass killings are clearer—especially those by older men.
Posted Oct 04, 2017
www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hive-mind/201710/mass-killings-evolutiona
ry-perspective
Male humans swim in worlds of status like trout swim in complex currents of water. Anyone who is not aware of this (or in denial about it) finds things like the high rates of male suicide or the fact that males are massively over-represented in apparently senseless crimes, utterly baffling. (2) Glib talk of “toxic masculinity” barely scratches the surface of what is going on. (3) “Toxic” does not explain the half of it, and it is worth noting that even the most toxic of masculinity does not put off all possible sexual partners. As Ogas and Gaddam (2012) note “It turns out that killing people is an effective way to elicit the attention of many women: virtually every serial killer, including Ted Bundy, Charles Manson, and David Berkowitz, has received love letters from large numbers of female fans” (p. 98). (4)
Remember — we have done the genetic analysis and most males (60 percent) do not reproduce. Status is exquisitely linked to male reproductive success, and males who were blind to its ups and downs have simply not had descendants. Call it “face”; call it “honor”; call it “status” or call it “prestige”. We are all descended from men who cared about it. (5)
We might have tamed it somewhat in modern society. We give it useful outlets. Sport. Awards at work. Elaborate rituals where we show that a person has so much status to spare, that they can even survive being roasted by professional comedians. Sometimes, in some individuals, and for reasons that we still do not understand, this pressure to value status can go very badly awry.
This has happened across time and space. There is even a Malay word, “Amok” which has passed into the language as “running amok”. Young (usually) Malay men would, for reasons unknown, attack innocent bystanders, usually with knives, sometimes with grenades. We used to think that this was what was called a “culture bound syndrome”, but we know better now. Indeed, “amok” has been dropped from the current DSM-5. Instead, we have “rampage” or “spree” killers. For simplicity sake I shall group all these together as “mass” killings — where five or more people, often unknown to the perpetrator, are killed — sometimes in multiple locations. (6)
Data Gathering
We carried out an archival study of seventy mass killers going back nearly a hundred years. Our methodology was highly conservative. We relied on only using archival accounts where we could double (or triple) up on the independent corroboration of details. Media tends to get highly speculative (and often political) about these events, and we did not want to get taken down any garden paths. In addition, we restricted the search to North America—for a couple of interesting reasons.
More at www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hive-mind/201710/mass-killings-evolutiona
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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It may not bug you as much, because you may not have not been affected by it as much?- WISHY
Follows is a list of discriminatory incidents from the family, school, and on the job...
WISHY, I think you ought to move to another state. With broader experience, you might look back and realize that "the problem" is that your home town has a higher-than-average percentage of troglodytes.
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Ok, here's the problem as I see it:
There really is interpersonal prejudice. Prejudice against women, against people of color, against short men with glasses. Against the disabled, against old people, against people with mental disabilities. SOME white males are willing and able to enforce this prejudice through violence and keep the system going. And because you feel it in your day-to-day, it's what you focus on. It's not right and it's not fair; and it causes our economy to run poorly when people can't express their best talents but get forced into roles they perhaps do less well. Because if you would not have been hindered from developing your talents, who knows what you might have achieved? Heck, you might have become an out-of-work CNC operator! Or a woodworker making custom furniture for a nonexistent customer base! Or - much less probably- perhaps even a successful architect.
But who said this was a meritocracy anyway?
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ONE OF THE THINGS I FIND DISGUSTING ABOUT YOU, WISHY, IS THAT ALL YOU DO IS WHINE ABOUT YOUR LOT IN LIFE. You have ZERO empathy for other people, for the sacrifices they may have had to make to achieve their success, NO appreciation of the role of luck in success, and NO insight at all into what it takes to be a success. Is is possible that what's holding YOU back is a medical condition? One which prevents you from committing the time and energy it takes to be a star in your career path?
YOU REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE DONE TO ACHIEVE WHATEVER SUCCESS THEY WERE ALLOWED BY TPTB, AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELF WHETHER YOU WERE WILLING OR ABLE TO MAKE THOSE KINDS OF SACRIFICES.
Me? NOT SO MUCH. I COULD have gone to medical school, but I just couldn't stomach the thought of eight more years of training! I COULD have advanced into upper management, but I just couldn't put in 60-hour weeks. I COULD have become a computer phenom like hubby, but I just wasn't ready to study ten hours a day. I candidly allow that I could have done more and been more, if I had made different choices.
I also freely allow that there are people with better mental and physical capabilities than me. I'm not as quick, or as strong, or as tall, or as smart, as some. There's nothing I can do about that. But I'm old enough and hopefully wise enough not to spend the rest of my life bitching about what I was born with. There are people much worse off .... our daughter, for instance.
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There is a greater prejudice at work, the one which allows some people to garner huge rewards for (in essence) parasitism and theft. It's the one that consigns 99.9% of the people to making shit wages, and 99.9999% to powerlessness, and cause the VAST MAJORITY OF INEQUALITY IN THE USA. But because the wealthy are pretty good at hiding out from the rest of us, minimizing their wealth and power from public perception, it doesn't get shoved in our faces every day, and consequently we lose focus in the GREATEST source of inequity in our lives. OR we somehow feel that they have "earned" their status, and they we could, too, if only we applied ourselves like the 0.0001%.
So, with the agreement that prejudice should be eliminated whenever possible .... and I would start out with "blinded" applications for everything under the sun ... can we make that NOT our burning issue, but focus instead on the numerically more important inequities in our society? Specifically, the one that rewards thievery and punishes working for a living?
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SECOND- I think that while living in the same physical environment, women and men live in different worlds. Most women don't automatically scan a room of people when they first enter to estimate who can "take on" whom and win. This is a mostly male perspective. I don't know how common it is among men, but it's only been expressed to me by men.
I honestly think that mass killings are almost alway triggered by a failed development of some other part of the brain. Maybe the killers are sociopaths, or maybe the killer is schizophrenic, and the "limiter" on behavior simply never developed. So rather than a particular behavior being over-expressed, perhaps the problem is in some OTHER area of the brain. The brain IMHO is a complex ecology of parts, and it's probably a failure elsewhere that causes this behavior to be over-expressed.
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You've got two jobs Wishy. Whatever your day job is and professional victim.
SAYS THE GUY WHO IS LITERALLY A PROFESSIONAL VICTIM.
Agoraphobic?? Nope. Just a lazy pussy. Been lazy and useless so long you don't know how to do anything else.
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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
6 has a point.
What I mainly work on now is a bit of mental control: meditation for peace.
The Men? Some/Lots of them really are gentle, caring Princes.
But the Nasties kick up a storm, threaten & draw more attention to themselves.
Now I can choose which ones will have my attention.
HE REALLY DOESN'T.
I'm sorry your mom was a witch, but it really is NOTHING compared to the scale of damage that men do every day. Your generation tends to idolize men and not see their faults, because my grandma is just like that.
I've LITERALLY never met a "prince" as you call them. Meditation does NOTHING to acknowledge or stop the problem that is the reason of this thread. You've stopped caring, but I got a daughter I don't want victimized by obliviousness. She knows never to trust a man, she will be much better off.
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Originally posted by second:
Male humans swim in worlds of status like trout swim in complex currents of water. Anyone who is not aware of this (or in denial about it) finds things like the high rates of male suicide or the fact that males are massively over-represented in apparently senseless crimes, utterly baffling. (2) Glib talk of “toxic masculinity” barely scratches the surface of what is going on. (3) “Toxic” does not explain the half of it, and it is worth noting that even the most toxic of masculinity does not put off all possible sexual partners. As Ogas and Gaddam (2012) note “It turns out that killing people is an effective way to elicit the attention of many women: virtually every serial killer, including Ted Bundy, Charles Manson, and David Berkowitz, has received love letters from large numbers of female fans” (p. 98). (4)
VERY GOOD POINT. I see toxic masculinity culture EVERY DAY here.
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Quote:From the footnotes of the article about mass murderers: "There were three female killers in our sample but this was too small a group for proper analysis."
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND- I think that while living in the same physical environment, women and men live in different worlds. Most women don't automatically scan a room of people when they first enter to estimate who can "take on" whom and win. This is a mostly male perspective. I don't know how common it is among men, but it's only been expressed to me by men.
The younger group of mass murderer males (average age 23) tended to have been in trouble with the law, they were more likely to have had mental illness. In other words — at the age where young men are acquiring status, and the skills and abilities that will enable them to do so — they were, in fact, acquiring signs that they were on a fast track to reproductive oblivion. In ancestral times — times without highly trained and equipped SWAT teams — a “Hail Mary” attempt to attract female attention and make ‘them’ take you seriously might (just might) have worked. Follow-up work we are doing suggests that many of this type do attract a significant amount of female attention when in prison. (7)
The older group of mass murderer males (average age 41) were much more likely to be married, and maybe have families. They were less likely to have had prior signs of legal issues or of mental illness. But a peek into their personal details (so far as we were able) revealed that they had a pattern of recent status loss — or threat of same. A job. A relationship. Custody battles. A looming scandal. These older guys were not so much trying to acquire status, their actions looked more like a highly pathological attempt to not lose it. No more rational than the desperate “If I cannot have you then no-one can” actions of a jealous murderer, the role of status possibly sheds some light on their final act.
www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hive-mind/201710/mass-killings-evolutiona
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock planned to live, ‘plotted more mayhem’ and had an escape route
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/gunman-stephen-paddock-book
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HE died in the room where he launched his deadly shooting spree but it’s emerged the Las Vegas killer had an escape plan — and more mayhem to unleash.
here's one floating around conspiracy circles and the people who vist those blogs and forums, David Icke, Steven M. Greer, Jim Marrs, Mike Rivero, Rense Radio, Jordan Maxwell, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, Adam Kokesh, Stefan Molyneux, Lew Rockwell, Mike Adams, Drudge Report, Alex Jones type news emails
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I knew I recognized the name of Stephen Paddock.
He was the DOD Auditor at Morton Thiokol from 1985-1988
when the Challenger disaster occurred in 1986.
Paddock as DOD Auditor was the SOB that was supposed to be auditing that DOD Protocols were in compliance before approving Invoices.
In other words, Paddock should have certified there existed the proper storage space, Class A clean lab and that low temperature facility was being used or contracted. None of this was done by Paddock in retrospect. In other words,
it appears this man was a possible plant to sabotage the Thiokol Space Shuttle program which resulted in Lockheed Martin picking up all the prime aerospace contracts. This happened 32 years ago. Who placed Paddock as the DOD Auditor and which Thiokol Execs interfaced with Paddock?
Did Paddock also purchase guns from any Utah gun store during late 1980s? Probably all the relevant documentation was mislabeled or hit the Deep Six and cannot be recovered.
Paddock owned two planes, multiple rental properties, lived in 27 different locations, bought weapons that could be converted to full auto for decades and visited numerous large cities.
The old CIA business model says they hired “disgruntled” IRS employees, who had a foreign wife to launder funds overseas, operate from multiple locations, hired to setup sting ops originally for drug buys and later auto gun sales.
One FBI stated that Paddock was a CIA operative for sting operations acting as the high roller gun sales.
His wife was CIA from 1999. One of his planes with N5343 tracks back and co-owned by a CIA contractor in Roanoke, VA.
Paddock did not become a millionaire in “real estate”, these were payoffs or kickbacks from some Gov Agency.
You cannot wire $100K to any foreign bank without it being traced - nothing said or done in her case. ISIL may
have been the buyer for guns and explosives found in room. They may have killed Paddock and turned the guns on the Concert which is why they are taking credit. Numerous videos show multiple shooters. Gov story was
almost immediately a “single shooter” and nothing more to see here-move on.
The whole Gov story is falling apart.
Who the hell is Stephen Paddock really? Far more than what the Public is being told.
LV was a total screw up as a sting operation by somebody.
or just a tinfoil headed conspiracy
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
You've got two jobs Wishy. Whatever your day job is and professional victim.
SAYS THE GUY WHO IS LITERALLY A PROFESSIONAL VICTIM.
Agoraphobic?? Nope. Just a lazy pussy. Been lazy and useless so long you don't know how to do anything else.
LOL
I admit my issues and my flaws.
I've done exceedingly well in some areas and not so great in other areas.
I don't look at my life and say "poor me. I'm so victimized." on a daily basis and blame my problems on other people.
OONJ gives me a potential out in the other thread, basically telling me that there are genetic identifiers that could likely have picked up right after I was born that I would have a lot of these issues. You are the type of person who would glom on to this data and use it as an excuse for your behavior and your position in life. I, on the other hand, take full responsibility for my actions.
I'm trying to make life better for myself. I'm trying to live without anger and hatered. I don't hold on to that anger anymore.
A year ago, deep in my alcoholism, I probably would have been very angry at you for all of the terrible stuff you say about me here on a nearly daily basis.
I just feel nothing but pity for you now. Pretty much everybody here sees what is going on.
You have some severe mental and emotional issues, and I feel that you're doing nothing to even attempt ridding yourself of them because you have yet to admit that you even have a problem.
I really do hope the best for you.
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SECOND: Your article is bullshit. "Evolution" isn't propelled by only one trait.
Here's how I see it: Females reproduction is, for mammals, the rate-limiting step. Males can scatter their sperm here, there, and elsewhere, but unless those offspring actually reach reproductive age themselves, it's a "legacy" dead end.
Since human babies are helpless for such long periods of time relative to other mammals ... not even able to walk for the first year but needing to be hand-carried fer chrissake, and only primitively self-sufficient MAYBE at the age of ten, it takes far more effort than can be supplied by one human (mom) to raise at least two children up to reproductive age.
Birds share a similar problem (demanding young) and have solved the problem by devoting BOTH parents to raising the young. The male's ongoing contribution to the youngsters is critical to species survival. Similar situation among humans ... it takes ... well, maybe not a village, but a tribe, or at least an extended family, to raise a child.
So from the offspring's side, cooperation is built into the human genome, because without it, we would not have survived as a species. (Please read "The Descent of Woman" https://www.amazon.com/Descent-Woman-Classic-Study-Evolution/dp/028562
7007 which makes this logic abundantly clear)
Now, from the MALE GENE standpoint, he will be the most reproductively successful if he rapes a huge number of women who live in (other) viable societies. HE spreads his genes far and wide, but doesn't have to expend any energy raising the young .... that's left for other men and women to do for him. Which explains why 1 in 200 men are direct descendants of Genghis Khan. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/08/1-in-200-men-direct-des
cendants-of-genghis-khan/
But that reproductive success depends on a number of social factors: The presence of many other viable societies which can be (in effect) parasitized, and the definition of "success" as being able to physically dominate women.
When you look at somebody like Stephen Paddock, he's the inverse of the successful reproducer. In fact, the most successful men of today either have no children or very few. It seems to me like the traits that are evolutionarily favored are disconnected from the traits of individual success (desire to stand out, willingness to tolerate risk, ability to find the nexus of social control for personal power). So I still come back to the idea that the problem with people like Paddock is that some controlling function in their brain just went haywire, and allowed dysfunctional behaviors to emerge.
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Conspiracy about other shooters or operation Gladio B, where do all these conspiracy come from?
misinformation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_Strip_shooting
In the hours after the shooting, false information about the shooter's identity and motive went viral on social media. The fake news was circulated by political fringe websites and Internet forums such as 4chan. The right-wing website The Gateway Pundit misidentified the shooter, naming a different man and describing him as a registered Democrat. The 4chan thread on which this misinformation was based was briefly featured in the "Top Stories" section of a Google search for the man's name.The fake news website YourNewsWire spread false information about a second gunman shooting from the fourth floor of the hotel.[80] Two of Facebook's top trending pages were items from Sputnik, a Russian government news agency that has been described by Foreign Policy magazine and the Center for European Policy Analysis as being a "Russian propaganda" outlet. These included one story that falsely claimed the FBI had linked the shooter to a terrorist group. The stories were later removed with an apology. Stories linking the shooter to Antifa have also been discredited.
Google and Facebook were criticized for prominently displaying such false news stories in some of their search results. The two companies were said to have failed in their responsibility of keeping false stories from reaching the public. Facebook later said its algorithms were designed to detect and remove false stories, but failed to work adequately in this instance.
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In a possible sign he was contemplating massacres at other sites, he also booked rooms overlooking the Lollapalooza festival in Chicago in August and the Life Is Beautiful show near the Vegas Strip in late September, according to authorities reconstructing his movements leading up to the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.
Frustrated Police Appeal For Public’s Help in Shooting Case
http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2017/10/06/slain-vegas-officer-hartfield-
mourned-shooting-probe-continues/
After five days of scouring the life of Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock and chasing 1,000 leads, investigators confessed Friday they still don’t know what drove him to mass murder, and they announced plans to put up billboards appealing for the public’s help.
Investigators have examined Paddock’s politics, his finances, any possible radicalization and his social behavior — typical investigative avenues that have helped uncover the motive in past shootings.
“We still do not have a clear motive or reason why,” Undersheriff Kevin McMahill said. “We have looked at literally everything.”
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“We still do not have a clear motive or reason why,” Undersheriff Kevin McMahill said. “We have looked at literally everything.”
Because when something as so horrible and senseless as this happens, and our ' authorities ' can't give any answer, comedy.
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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
6 has a point.
What I mainly work on now is a bit of mental control: meditation for peace.
I'm sorry your mom was a witch, but it really is NOTHING compared to the scale of damage that men do every day. Your generation tends to idolize men and not see their faults, because my grandma is just like that.
I've LITERALLY never met a "prince" as you call them. Meditation does NOTHING to acknowledge or stop the problem that is the reason of this thread. You've stopped caring, but I got a daughter I don't want victimized by obliviousness. She knows never to trust a man, she will be much better off.
Meditation is a fine treatment for stress, fear, anger, thus restoring One's objectivity.
I recommend it.
Mom often had good cause to be a witch. Problem was, like half my family, Mom was OCD.
Once the Witch got loose, she couldn't shut it up.
My generation did idolize Men. There was no women's lib back then that got any attention.
MEN were the Leaders, Doers, Heroes, both in Real Life and for sure in the Movies. Don't
think I ever heard of women like Madame Curry until I was full growed.
As for "the scale of damage that men do every day," the majority are doing more good
than harm as a matter of course, but not getting any publicity for it.
If no one takes you seriously, Wishy, it's 'cause you're stuck in a non-objective rant ...
just like my Mom was.
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Are white males responsible for more mass shootings than any other group?
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/oct/06/newsweek/a
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Oonj: As the stats reported in the article are just White Males in the USA,
I wonder how we compare to White Males in Europe & Canada?
Assuming EU & CAN have many white males equally as unstable & dangerous
as those in my homeland(USA), Why don't we hear of their mass shootings? ??
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I would assume that stricter gun laws have something to do with it.
Once again though, I find the headlines that the MSM use in their articles to be misleading and careless.
51% is a Majority, but most people don't think of a majority in those terms. When numbers aren't presented along with that word, most people tend to think of a majority as much closer to "all" than "half".
So unless you've got an underlying motivation other than enlightening people, to say that a majority of mass shootings is done by white males when the number is 54 to 63% depending on the source is not really a great title of an article. It's obviously politically motivated by identity politics of the left as another opportunity to paint white men in general as demons.
That's not even considering what we've already discussed that out of every white male that ever lived in America, something like 0.000000127% of them were mass murderers.
Even though the link you posted here finishes up with "Mostly True", I think the one of the two most important quotes in the article comes right before that verdict.
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Newsweek's claim is literally accurate. But it's worth noting the imprecision of this data, and the percentage of mass shootings by white men is lower than their share of the male population, according to Mother Jones.
The other one was about halfway through the article.
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We should note that some experts expressed concern that if the public debate around gun violence focuses too much on mass shootings, there’s a risk of overlooking the fact that gun murders disproportionately affect minorities, especially African-Americans.
Note that the direction of that statement is about how it negatively impacts minorities, especially African-Americans, while it doesn't clearly state that a disproportionate amount of gun murders are committed by minorities, especially African-Americans.
It's possible to lie when using the truth to do it. People need to stop letting the media manipulate them.
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