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Quote:Those train sets were cheap, the most number of track pieces for the least cash. Subsequent purchases could be the same compatible sets of pieces. For their growing imagination, skill.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
When my niece was about 6, I got her a logic puzzle which can be set into different puzzles. She didn't know what to do and asked me how to solve it. I asked her what she thought she should do and how, and once she finished one, she did an entire set in no time. Her dad, my brother is an Engineer, and he couldn't figure out any of the puzzles she had just done. She seemed to have spurred onward in STEM after that.
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Nice.
Do you have any other suggestions? Preferably anything $20 and under. I'd kind of like to build up a good collection of "smart" toys for her when she comes over. She's still at that age where her imagination can make anything a toy, but she'll probably be growing out of that soon.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I noticed they drew stuff with crayons and stuff, but fill the page/sheet quickly. So I got for each those huge oversized drawing tablets, to eliminate limitations of drawing.
I looked for items light on structure/restriction, heavy on repeatability with innovation.
For when she learns words, I recommend Boggle.
Check the results from "Mensa games rating" search, including Mensa Select. They usually break down the list with ages.
Terrace (think 3D Checkers sorta) was an excellent example of a game which you don't have an advantage because you don't already know it like Chess. And simple rules, based on color and size.
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Hasn't rained yet today but pretty soggy yesterday.
Laundry done for another two weeks.
Work yesterday was okay outside of burning my pinky finger on my right hand. Not serious though but it did hurt.
Also seem to be having problems posting more of my story.
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How's this? The lady that I work for and her husband both think that reading the "Mighty Thor" comic book turned his nephew into a pagan.
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Originally posted by Brenda:
How's this? The lady that I work for and her husband both think that reading the "Mighty Thor" comic book turned his nephew into a pagan.
Wow.
Sometimes I just throw up my hands and think It takes all kinds!
But I am curious, tho. Have you ever met this "pagan" nephew? If you have, does he strike you as a "pagan"? Or does this couple just have an unusually restrictive definition of what it means to be Christian?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
How's this? The lady that I work for and her husband both think that reading the "Mighty Thor" comic book turned his nephew into a pagan.
Wow.
Sometimes I just throw up my hands and think It takes all kinds!
But I am curious, tho. Have you ever met this "pagan" nephew? If you have, does he strike you as a "pagan"? Or does this couple just have an unusually restrictive definition of what it means to be Christian?
Maybe the wife got her MD from Trump University.
Even with the husband being Pastor, most Clergy I've known were not terribly dumb.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Those train sets were cheap, the most number of track pieces for the least cash. Subsequent purchases could be the same compatible sets of pieces. For their growing imagination, skill.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
When my niece was about 6, I got her a logic puzzle which can be set into different puzzles. She didn't know what to do and asked me how to solve it. I asked her what she thought she should do and how, and once she finished one, she did an entire set in no time. Her dad, my brother is an Engineer, and he couldn't figure out any of the puzzles she had just done. She seemed to have spurred onward in STEM after that.
You can also look for games endorsed by MENSA.
Nice.
Do you have any other suggestions? Preferably anything $20 and under. I'd kind of like to build up a good collection of "smart" toys for her when she comes over. She's still at that age where her imagination can make anything a toy, but she'll probably be growing out of that soon.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I noticed they drew stuff with crayons and stuff, but fill the page/sheet quickly. So I got for each those huge oversized drawing tablets, to eliminate limitations of drawing.
I looked for items light on structure/restriction, heavy on repeatability with innovation.
For when she learns words, I recommend Boggle.
Check the results from "Mensa games rating" search, including Mensa Select. They usually break down the list with ages.
Terrace (think 3D Checkers sorta) was an excellent example of a game which you don't have an advantage because you don't already know it like Chess. And simple rules, based on color and size.
Thanks. I'll look into them. She's a smart kid and she's going to a good school. I don't think she gets enough training at home though.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
How's this? The lady that I work for and her husband both think that reading the "Mighty Thor" comic book turned his nephew into a pagan.
Wow.
Sometimes I just throw up my hands and think It takes all kinds!
But I am curious, tho. Have you ever met this "pagan" nephew? If you have, does he strike you as a "pagan"? Or does this couple just have an unusually restrictive definition of what it means to be Christian?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
Hey Sig.
No, I have never met this nephew of his. This came about because I was talking about Stan Lee's passing and he was the creator behind the Thor comic. I explained to the lady why I didn't like the movies because they rewrote the comics.
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Quote:When they're young their brain is a sponge. You can't believe what they absorb.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Those train sets were cheap, the most number of track pieces for the least cash. Subsequent purchases could be the same compatible sets of pieces. For their growing imagination, skill.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
When my niece was about 6, I got her a logic puzzle which can be set into different puzzles. She didn't know what to do and asked me how to solve it. I asked her what she thought she should do and how, and once she finished one, she did an entire set in no time. Her dad, my brother is an Engineer, and he couldn't figure out any of the puzzles she had just done. She seemed to have spurred onward in STEM after that.
You can also look for games endorsed by MENSA.
Nice.
Do you have any other suggestions? Preferably anything $20 and under. I'd kind of like to build up a good collection of "smart" toys for her when she comes over. She's still at that age where her imagination can make anything a toy, but she'll probably be growing out of that soon.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I noticed they drew stuff with crayons and stuff, but fill the page/sheet quickly. So I got for each those huge oversized drawing tablets, to eliminate limitations of drawing.
I looked for items light on structure/restriction, heavy on repeatability with innovation.
For when she learns words, I recommend Boggle.
Check the results from "Mensa games rating" search, including Mensa Select. They usually break down the list with ages.
Terrace (think 3D Checkers sorta) was an excellent example of a game which you don't have an advantage because you don't already know it like Chess. And simple rules, based on color and size.
Thanks. I'll look into them. She's a smart kid and she's going to a good school. I don't think she gets enough training at home though.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Get some foreign language tapes, like learning languages. Not Spanish. Like German, Russian, Mandarin, Japanese, Italian. Check out some from the library to get an idea, and play them at your house when she's there. To trick her into playing them, maybe get some with music. Finding the used ones at Goodwill or thrift shops are incredibly cheap.
She doesn't need to actually learn the language or be fluent, but absorbing that now will allow her to pick up languages easy, 15 years from now.
The geometry and math involved in the train tracks will trick them into learning in a fun way. The more pieces total will allow them more variety of geometric designs, and encourage them to come up with new or complicated designs. One time I showed up and my 2 nieces had a track set up, not filling the center of the room, but intertwined with the legs, posts, obstacles on 2 sides of the room. With parallel tracks and inner loops, etc.
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And we are back in the rain.
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You know I honestly don't know why I watch all these holiday baking shows. They just depress me.
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Quote:A quiet ahem ... last year we had about 5" of rain. it was the third driest year on record.
Originally posted by Brenda:
And we are back in the rain.
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Quote:A quiet ahem ... last year we had about 5" of rain. it was the third driest year on record.
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
And we are back in the rain.
I'm sorry that your area was so dry Kiki.
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Quote:A quiet ahem ... last year we had about 5" of rain. it was the third driest year on record.
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
And we are back in the rain.
Your State Laws require that about 4.9" of that freshwater be directly channelled straight to the ocean, right? Without being allowed to be used as irrigation or as water supply.
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Quote:Do you mean "rainfall year" (July 2017 to July 2018)? Or calendar year (2017)?
A quiet ahem ... last year we had about 5" of rain. it was the third driest year on record.- KIKI
I hadn't realized it was so dry. I was so busy, it's like I was a groundhog who popped up in late November and thought "Holy fuck! Where am I?". I KNOW summer was ridiculously hot and quite often humid... but of course, no rain. Can you tell me when the deficit was? Judging by my water-use records, I'm only a little ahead of last year (still in the realm of about 33 CCF per 2 months) - but down overall from several years ago (55 CCF per two months), when I xeriscaped the front yard.
Seems like THIS rainfall year is getting off to a slow start too, no? Somehow October - when I really don't expect rain- blurred into late November, and STILL very little rain!
Two-day rainfall event coming up, if predictions hold up. Last time they predicted 0.25" and I got almost 1". This time they're predicting 1.5". Now that I FINALLY have the insurance issues straightened out from hubby's retirement, I'll be checking our rainfall totals more closely!
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Maybe it's a good thing that I watch so many cooking shows. I just discovered a recipe for pancakes that contains no milk or eggs. They come from Morocco. 
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Quote:Oh, sorry - rainfall year.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Do you mean "rainfall year" (July 2017 to July 2018)? Or calendar year (2017)?
Quote:I don't have a month by month graph, but my recollection was that we had an early November storm, and the not much after that. And the rains completely quit early, late Jan or early Feb.
Can you tell me when the deficit was?
Quote:Sadly ... yes. If we DO get 1.5" it'll put us at normal (It started out behind, and the normal total is going up while we wait for the presumed rain to arrive.)
Seems like THIS rainfall year is getting off to a slow start too, no?
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Quote:What's in it?
Originally posted by Brenda:
Maybe it's a good thing that I watch so many cooking shows. I just discovered a recipe for pancakes that contains no milk or eggs. They come from Morocco.
Do you eat beans? There's a tasty savory Indian pancake made of chickpea flour.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:What's in it?
Originally posted by Brenda:
Maybe it's a good thing that I watch so many cooking shows. I just discovered a recipe for pancakes that contains no milk or eggs. They come from Morocco.
Do you eat beans? There's a tasty savory Indian pancake made of chickpea flour.
They contain regular flour, semolina flour, salt, sugar, warm water and baking powder. You don't flip them while they are cooking.
No, I don't eat beans. I don't like them.
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BRENDA - the role of eggs is to bind things together. (Plus, they're one of the few sources of choline which is a necessary nutrient. If you don't eat eggs you should take a choline supplement, usually made from lecithin. I take phosphatadyl choline.)
Anyway ... in terms of "binding power" a good substitute is flax seed meal. It doesn't take much... a tablespoon in whole whole batch of pancake batter.
KIKI- Hmm... yes, now that I look back at my water bill, I see that while it never went really high, it actually went UP during our so-called "rainy season" because I was watering regularly to mimic the normal rainfall pattern. I think there was only one billing period when it was lower.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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btw Signy - looking at the 20 day forecast, after tonight there's not even a chance of more rain predicted. So far, this looks like it's going to be another really dry year.
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Hey Brenda! These gram-flour pancakes don't taste like beans. Have you had Chinese green onion pancakes? They're savory and dense. Well, the gram flour pancakes are similar - savory and dense - but the flavor is on the curry side.
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SIG- I know what eggs do but I am allergic to them. So I try very hard to avoid eating them. But I do eat a little mayonnaise and little bit of baked goods. Sometimes I allow myself to have French Toast which is one of my most favourite things to eat.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Hey Brenda! These gram-flour pancakes don't taste like beans. Have you had Chinese green onion pancakes? They're savory and dense. Well, the gram flour pancakes are similar - savory and dense - but the flavor is on the curry side.
No Kiki never eaten Chinese green onion pancakes. I know what they are but since I am allergic to onions, I can't eat them.
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I'm allergic to different foods as well. To tell the truth, I'm waiting for them to say I'm now allergic to onions, on top of everything.
Anyway, the take home message (so to speak) is that there are a wondrous variety of pancakes out there that you might enjoy and be able to eat. The curry-savory ones were a very tasty new experience for me.
BTW I support Signy's mention of lecithin supplements (or choline bitartrate). Here's a link I hope your browser can access. https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-436/choline
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'm allergic to different foods as well. To tell the truth, I'm waiting for them to say I'm now allergic to onions, on top of everything.
Anyway, the take home message (so to speak) is that there are a wondrous variety of pancakes out there that you might enjoy and be able to eat. The curry-savory ones were a very tasty new experience for me.
BTW I support Signy's mention of lecithin supplements (or choline bitartrate). Here's a link I hope your browser can access. https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-436/choline
I discovered the onion one on my own. Someone had cut up a bunch of onions and I came back, breathed in the oils and started having a hard time breathing, my eyes were watering and itching. Not pleasant.
Might try some savory ones but when I want pancakes, I want sweet ones. They remind me of my dad who made pancakes for supper once in a while when I was a child.
I looked up what foods lecithin is in and I eat brussel sprouts and broccoli as well as seafood and red meat.
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Well, I think I have you beat, allergy-wise. I finally subjected myself to a thorough allergy test (because of chronic sinusitis) and not only am I allergic to just about everything that can be inhaled, I also showed significant allergic reactions to rice, potato, tomato, beef, chocolate, coffee, lettuce (lettuce???), and orange. (I think I'm forgetting something.) In addition, I'm gluten intolerant.
I joke that the typical hamburger - wheat bun, beef, lettuce, and a slice of tomato - is the epitome of "what I can't eat".
I suspect - but am not sure- that I'm also allergic to peppers and eggplant (part of the potato/ tomato family). I may be tested for peppers next time if they have an FDA-approved extract.
Not a big egg-eater myself ... not because of allergies but just don't care for them a whole lot ... so I make sure to do choline supplements.
One of the things I wonder about is whether the rapidly increasing incidence of autism ... now something like 1:40 children ... is due to some stupid lack of something basic, like choline or sunshine.
The "medical experts" for YEARS have been telling people to avoid eggs because "cholesterol(!)" but ... did you know that the pregnant mother mobilizes choline to the fetus, and that the amniotic fluid has 10X the concentration as maternal blood? So when the fetus grows up (and is female) and has a baby of her own, does SHE have the choline reserves to mobilize for HER fetus? Are we seeing a multi-generational deficiency?
Back in the day, people ate eggs and liver and fish ("fish Friday" if you were Catholic) and walked around in the sunshine. Today, not so much. Just something I think about.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Quote:Have you taught your niece her resonant voice? It should amaze her. Having a whole house makes this easier.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Those train sets were cheap, the most number of track pieces for the least cash. Subsequent purchases could be the same compatible sets of pieces. For their growing imagination, skill.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
When my niece was about 6, I got her a logic puzzle which can be set into different puzzles. She didn't know what to do and asked me how to solve it. I asked her what she thought she should do and how, and once she finished one, she did an entire set in no time. Her dad, my brother is an Engineer, and he couldn't figure out any of the puzzles she had just done. She seemed to have spurred onward in STEM after that.
You can also look for games endorsed by MENSA.
Nice.
Do you have any other suggestions? Preferably anything $20 and under. I'd kind of like to build up a good collection of "smart" toys for her when she comes over. She's still at that age where her imagination can make anything a toy, but she'll probably be growing out of that soon.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I noticed they drew stuff with crayons and stuff, but fill the page/sheet quickly. So I got for each those huge oversized drawing tablets, to eliminate limitations of drawing.
I looked for items light on structure/restriction, heavy on repeatability with innovation.
For when she learns words, I recommend Boggle.
Check the results from "Mensa games rating" search, including Mensa Select. They usually break down the list with ages.
Terrace (think 3D Checkers sorta) was an excellent example of a game which you don't have an advantage because you don't already know it like Chess. And simple rules, based on color and size.
Thanks. I'll look into them. She's a smart kid and she's going to a good school. I don't think she gets enough training at home though.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Allergic to chocolate.
That is harsh.
Sometimes I suspect that many ailments, food conflicts, are a result of lack of exercise, more predominant in older adults.
Peppers, onions, milks, cheeses, not digesting as smoothly as in the past, instead of a developing Intolerance, maybe just a change in activity level.
When I was a kid, couldn't eat tomatoes, cheese without being sick. But cooked enough, like on pizza or spaghetti was OK. Around my majority I decided to train myself to eat what I couldn't, change other dietary habits.
Those ingredients for pancakes look the same except for milk and the special flour. Does that flour stand in for the milk? Or are the proportions vastly different to make the pancake work?
Many folk I know firmly believe the primary purpose of pancakes is to provide a repository for syrup. And optional melted butter. So as long as you have real Canadian Maple Syrup, you should survive the effort.
Is it the chicken part of the egg producing allergy? Can you have other species of egg?
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I still drink coffee .... some days, tea just doesn't have enuf caffeine!
Was told to keep a food diary because there is something in my diet which causes my arthritis to kick up, which is not an allergic reaction per se but still an immune response. Haven't figured out what the offending food is except possibly tomatoes being one; since I dropped tomato from my diet my aches and pains have gotten a little better. Altho I STILL make "old people" noises (ugh/oy) when I stand up.
I think one of MY problems was eating too frequently. long story, but I think that unless you have a blood sugar problem it really helps to go at least 10 hours a day without food every day, and some days even longer. Helps the liver to dump excess glycogen (reduces fatty liver) and helps the intestinal tract to clear (reduces bacterial overgrowth in the small intestine). I walk over a mile every day ... my high-energy puppy sees to that! ... plus I garden something like six hours a week. Not just pinching flowers but digging irrigation systems and pruning down/ digging up large shrubs. So, not terribly intense exercise but still something.
*****
KIKI- we got almost 1.5" from today's storm, which was more than predicted. I looked at the radar map ... this particular storm stretched from the southern Oregon/ northern California border all the way to San Diego. Can you believe it??? A solid line of rain and snow all up and down the state. Woo hoo!!!
My favorite weather site (wunderground) really does tend to under-predict rain, and it's predicting an inch of rain next Wednesday. Of course, many of these storms have a tendency to evaporate or swing just north of LA, but here's MY prediction for this winter (and don't forget: You heard it here first!!!)
According to the bigwig meteorologists, this will be an el Nino winter.
Now, as we know, that doesn't always mean rain for the southwest. In fact, the last ginormous el Nino that we had was a bust, rain-wise, and IMHO that was because the storms were blocked by The Blob, which didn't allow cold air to swing down far enough to loft the warm humid air and wring out rain. However, THIS year we don't have a Blob off the coast, plus the arctic air does seem to be swinging farther south. So THIS winter, my prediction is normal to higher-than-normal rainfall.
So, we get to see how my seat-of-the-pants prediction works out!
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Allergic to chocolate.
That is harsh.
Sometimes I suspect that many ailments, food conflicts, are a result of lack of exercise, more predominant in older adults.
Peppers, onions, milks, cheeses, not digesting as smoothly as in the past, instead of a developing Intolerance, maybe just a change in activity level.
When I was a kid, couldn't eat tomatoes, cheese without being sick. But cooked enough, like on pizza or spaghetti was OK. Around my majority I decided to train myself to eat what I couldn't, change other dietary habits.
Those ingredients for pancakes look the same except for milk and the special flour. Does that flour stand in for the milk? Or are the proportions vastly different to make the pancake work?
Many folk I know firmly believe the primary purpose of pancakes is to provide a repository for syrup. And optional melted butter. So as long as you have real Canadian Maple Syrup, you should survive the effort.
Is it the chicken part of the egg producing allergy? Can you have other species of egg?
It is a cup each of flour and a teaspoon each of salt and sugar and two teaspoons of baking powder.
Never tried eating another species of egg. So all I know is I don't like eggs anyways, but it is akward as I like things that are made from eggs.
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Quote:Are you reactive to milk? Or the Bovine Growth Hormone in milk? What about goat milk? Soy milk, almond milk, etc? Always been this way, or only the last 20-30 years?
Originally posted by Brenda:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Allergic to chocolate.
That is harsh.
Sometimes I suspect that many ailments, food conflicts, are a result of lack of exercise, more predominant in older adults.
Peppers, onions, milks, cheeses, not digesting as smoothly as in the past, instead of a developing Intolerance, maybe just a change in activity level.
When I was a kid, couldn't eat tomatoes, cheese without being sick. But cooked enough, like on pizza or spaghetti was OK. Around my majority I decided to train myself to eat what I couldn't, change other dietary habits.
Those ingredients for pancakes look the same except for milk and the special flour. Does that flour stand in for the milk? Or are the proportions vastly different to make the pancake work?
Many folk I know firmly believe the primary purpose of pancakes is to provide a repository for syrup. And optional melted butter. So as long as you have real Canadian Maple Syrup, you should survive the effort.
Is it the chicken part of the egg producing allergy? Can you have other species of egg?
It is a cup each of flour and a teaspoon each of salt and sugar and two teaspoons of baking powder.
Never tried eating another species of egg. So all I know is I don't like eggs anyways, but it is akward as I like things that are made from eggs.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, I think I have you beat, allergy-wise. I finally subjected myself to a thorough allergy test (because of chronic sinusitis) and not only am I allergic to just about everything that can be inhaled, I also showed significant allergic reactions to rice, potato, tomato, beef, chocolate, coffee, lettuce (lettuce???), and orange. (I think I'm forgetting something.) In addition, I'm gluten intolerant.
I joke that the typical hamburger - wheat bun, beef, lettuce, and a slice of tomato - is the epitome of "what I can't eat".
I suspect - but am not sure- that I'm also allergic to peppers and eggplant (part of the potato/ tomato family). I may be tested for peppers next time if they have an FDA-approved extract.
Not a big egg-eater myself ... not because of allergies but just don't care for them a whole lot ... so I make sure to do choline supplements.
One of the things I wonder about is whether the rapidly increasing incidence of autism ... now something like 1:40 children ... is due to some stupid lack of something basic, like choline or sunshine.
The "medical experts" for YEARS have been telling people to avoid eggs because "cholesterol(!)" but ... did you know that the pregnant mother mobilizes choline to the fetus, and that the amniotic fluid has 10X the concentration as maternal blood? So when the fetus grows up (and is female) and has a baby of her own, does SHE have the choline reserves to mobilize for HER fetus? Are we seeing a multi-generational deficiency?
Back in the day, people ate eggs and liver and fish ("fish Friday" if you were Catholic) and walked around in the sunshine. Today, not so much. Just something I think about.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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I came close to a poke test 8 and a half years ago because my allergies got really bad.
I don't like eggs either which is another why I don't eat them.
I remember when the doctors rolled out the whole eggs are bad because of their cholesterol levels. Think I was in elementary school then.
I hate liver and will not touch it.
S'why people look at me weird when I say that I love walking in the sunshine. Oh the heat and it feels so good.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Are you reactive to milk? Or the Bovine Growth Hormone in milk? What about goat milk? Soy milk, almond milk, etc? Always been this way, or only the last 20-30 years?
Originally posted by Brenda:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Allergic to chocolate.
That is harsh.
Sometimes I suspect that many ailments, food conflicts, are a result of lack of exercise, more predominant in older adults.
Peppers, onions, milks, cheeses, not digesting as smoothly as in the past, instead of a developing Intolerance, maybe just a change in activity level.
When I was a kid, couldn't eat tomatoes, cheese without being sick. But cooked enough, like on pizza or spaghetti was OK. Around my majority I decided to train myself to eat what I couldn't, change other dietary habits.
Those ingredients for pancakes look the same except for milk and the special flour. Does that flour stand in for the milk? Or are the proportions vastly different to make the pancake work?
Many folk I know firmly believe the primary purpose of pancakes is to provide a repository for syrup. And optional melted butter. So as long as you have real Canadian Maple Syrup, you should survive the effort.
Is it the chicken part of the egg producing allergy? Can you have other species of egg?
It is a cup each of flour and a teaspoon each of salt and sugar and two teaspoons of baking powder.
Never tried eating another species of egg. So all I know is I don't like eggs anyways, but it is akward as I like things that are made from eggs.
Yes, I react to milk. I can't tolerate soy milk or nut milks because they contain Vitamin A Palmitate and I react to that. I would say the last 20years or a little better. Never tried goats milk.
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Today in my area there has been heavy rain, thunder and hail. So much hail fell that it almost looks like snow but when you walked on it, it crunched.
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Dry today.
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Quote:I think that means you are reacting to the BGH. About 20 years ago is when it started getting bad, I had to become more selective with my milk brands.
Originally posted by Brenda:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Are you reactive to milk? Or the Bovine Growth Hormone in milk? What about goat milk? Soy milk, almond milk, etc? Always been this way, or only the last 20-30 years?
Originally posted by Brenda:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Allergic to chocolate.
That is harsh.
Sometimes I suspect that many ailments, food conflicts, are a result of lack of exercise, more predominant in older adults.
Peppers, onions, milks, cheeses, not digesting as smoothly as in the past, instead of a developing Intolerance, maybe just a change in activity level.
When I was a kid, couldn't eat tomatoes, cheese without being sick. But cooked enough, like on pizza or spaghetti was OK. Around my majority I decided to train myself to eat what I couldn't, change other dietary habits.
Those ingredients for pancakes look the same except for milk and the special flour. Does that flour stand in for the milk? Or are the proportions vastly different to make the pancake work?
Many folk I know firmly believe the primary purpose of pancakes is to provide a repository for syrup. And optional melted butter. So as long as you have real Canadian Maple Syrup, you should survive the effort.
Is it the chicken part of the egg producing allergy? Can you have other species of egg?
It is a cup each of flour and a teaspoon each of salt and sugar and two teaspoons of baking powder.
Never tried eating another species of egg. So all I know is I don't like eggs anyways, but it is akward as I like things that are made from eggs.
Yes, I react to milk. I can't tolerate soy milk or nut milks because they contain Vitamin A Palmitate and I react to that. I would say the last 20years or a little better. Never tried goats milk.
If your area had a milk which was not BGH, you might be able to try that out.
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I still drink coffee .... some days, tea just doesn't have enuf caffeine!
Was told to keep a food diary because there is something in my diet which causes my arthritis to kick up, which is not an allergic reaction per se but still an immune response. Haven't figured out what the offending food is except possibly tomatoes being one; since I dropped tomato from my diet my aches and pains have gotten a little better. Altho I STILL make "old people" noises (ugh/oy) when I stand up.
I think one of MY problems was eating too frequently. long story, but I think that unless you have a blood sugar problem it really helps to go at least 10 hours a day without food every day, and some days even longer. Helps the liver to dump excess glycogen (reduces fatty liver) and helps the intestinal tract to clear (reduces bacterial overgrowth in the small intestine). I walk over a mile every day ... my high-energy puppy sees to that! ... plus I garden something like six hours a week. Not just pinching flowers but digging irrigation systems and pruning down/ digging up large shrubs. So, not terribly intense exercise but still something.
I live off of coffee these days. I probably drink too much, but that's just how I've always done things... to excess.
I don't know how intermittent fasting would work for everybody. I'm hesitant to tell anybody who doesn't have very close genes to me that any dietary habits I have now would work wonders for them since we're all different. Actually, I can't even say how much the fasting itself is responsible for my overall improvement in health because it was one of quite a few things I've been doing (2 years sober, gluten free, very physical job, etc.).
My suggestion would be for people who think they have any problems related to their eating would be to try out different things, and see if anything sticks. It's not just the biological aspects and how you physically feel after trying something new, but it's also a question of is this something that you can maintain for a long amount of time or will it drive you crazy?
Sadly, winter is back and along with it came some of the aches and pains that I thought were gone. They're nowhere near as bad as they were before I made the dietary changes, but it's a bit disappointing to see them return with the cold weather at all. I know that part of this problem is also the fact that I'm so much less active on my days off when it's cold outside though too, so I'm going to have to do something about that.
I can't remember who the guest was on a recent Joe Rogan podcast was, but it was a very interesting discussion on diets and better eating. He was talking about the benefits of limiting variety in your diet, both in your day to day eating as well as individual meals, and how the huge variety of food available to us today is likely contributing to obesity since that was never a problem back in the hunter/gatherer days.
On an individual meal basis, this makes a lot of sense. He used an example of going to your favorite steakhouse and getting so full that you might not even be able to finish your favorite steak... but when the waitress comes by and asks if you want dessert you suddenly have more room to eat.
Even more interesting though was limiting the variety of food that you eat from day to day. Instead of eating from a huge pool of different types of foods, some of which your body might not be playing nice with, you're only eating from a very limited pool. This makes it much easier to narrow down any food that is a problem for your body to process.
I've pretty much been on an extremely limited diet as far as food sources for around 6 to 8 months now. I've got my first doctor's appointment in ages scheduled, so I'm hoping the news isn't terrible. I'll let the doctor know about my new dietary habits and maybe the blood work will tell me if I need to
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Maybe day-to-day variation is low, but people have studied the diets of modern-day gatherer-hunters, and THEY eat something like 120-200 different foods over the course of a year (because of seasonal availability) while the average American eats something like 20.
So more variety, just not all in one day.
One of the things that both puzzles and frustrates me is the question how I developed so many food allergies in the first place. When hubby had HIS allergies tested - 20 years ago or so - I was given the instructions for a "rotation diet" which means ... don't eat the same thing day after day. Rotate your food at least every three days, so my planned weekly menu would look something like
DAY1 shiratake spaghetti noodles, turkey meatballs, broccoli (turkey, tomato, broccoli, shiratake)
DAY2 beef stew (beef, carrot, lots of celery, onion, potato)
DAY3 yellow curry of chicken, cauliflower, red pepper, coconut milk, large handfuls of basil and mint
I would rotate protein (chicken; beef; pork; turkey; vegetarian [cheese, beans or tofu]) green and non-green vegetable. Hardly ate potatoes and chocolate, almost NEVER ate oranges. So if allergies are bred of constant exposure, how did I become allergic to things I almost never ate?
*****
Anyway, the things I got out of comparing and contrasting the different diets and their supposed health benefits are
1) Everyone is an individual. Some people do better eating a lofat vegetable-based diet, others do better eating locarb
2) The one thing people should NEVER eat together is the one thing most people crave: starch (or sugar) and fat. Bread and butter. Whipped cream. French fries.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:I think that means you are reacting to the BGH. About 20 years ago is when it started getting bad, I had to become more selective with my milk brands.
Originally posted by Brenda:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Are you reactive to milk? Or the Bovine Growth Hormone in milk? What about goat milk? Soy milk, almond milk, etc? Always been this way, or only the last 20-30 years?
Originally posted by Brenda:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Allergic to chocolate.
That is harsh.
Sometimes I suspect that many ailments, food conflicts, are a result of lack of exercise, more predominant in older adults.
Peppers, onions, milks, cheeses, not digesting as smoothly as in the past, instead of a developing Intolerance, maybe just a change in activity level.
When I was a kid, couldn't eat tomatoes, cheese without being sick. But cooked enough, like on pizza or spaghetti was OK. Around my majority I decided to train myself to eat what I couldn't, change other dietary habits.
Those ingredients for pancakes look the same except for milk and the special flour. Does that flour stand in for the milk? Or are the proportions vastly different to make the pancake work?
Many folk I know firmly believe the primary purpose of pancakes is to provide a repository for syrup. And optional melted butter. So as long as you have real Canadian Maple Syrup, you should survive the effort.
Is it the chicken part of the egg producing allergy? Can you have other species of egg?
It is a cup each of flour and a teaspoon each of salt and sugar and two teaspoons of baking powder.
Never tried eating another species of egg. So all I know is I don't like eggs anyways, but it is akward as I like things that are made from eggs.
Yes, I react to milk. I can't tolerate soy milk or nut milks because they contain Vitamin A Palmitate and I react to that. I would say the last 20years or a little better. Never tried goats milk.
If your area had a milk which was not BGH, you might be able to try that out.
I had a mild usage of milk for a month or so during the summer before I found a rice milk that I can tolerate. This milk didn't have that additive in it but after a month I noticed that I started to feel sick again and stopped using it. Someone thought after hearing that I might be slightly lactose intolerant but the thing is I eat cheese though I am not suppose to and I can eat ice cream.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Maybe day-to-day variation is low, but people have studied the diets of modern-day gatherer-hunters, and THEY eat something like 120-200 different foods over the course of a year (because of seasonal availability) while the average American eats something like 20.
So more variety, just not all in one day.
One of the things that both puzzles and frustrates me is the question how I developed so many food allergies in the first place. When hubby had HIS allergies tested - 20 years ago or so - I was given the instructions for a "rotation diet" which means ... don't eat the same thing day after day. Rotate your food at least every three days, so my planned weekly menu would look something like
DAY1 shiratake spaghetti noodles, turkey meatballs, broccoli (turkey, tomato, broccoli, shiratake)
DAY2 beef stew (beef, carrot, lots of celery, onion, potato)
DAY3 yellow curry of chicken, cauliflower, red pepper, coconut milk, large handfuls of basil and mint
I would rotate protein (chicken; beef; pork; turkey; vegetarian [cheese, beans or tofu]) green and non-green vegetable. Hardly ate potatoes and chocolate, almost NEVER ate oranges. So if allergies are bred of constant exposure, how did I become allergic to things I almost never ate?
*****
Anyway, the things I got out of comparing and contrasting the different diets and their supposed health benefits are
1) Everyone is an individual. Some people do better eating a lofat vegetable-based diet, others do better eating locarb
2) The one thing people should NEVER eat together is the one thing most people crave: starch (or sugar) and fat. Bread and butter. Whipped cream. French fries.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
I eat a fairly high protein diet since my cholesterol level went too low while I was looking after my mother. So I started upping my protein but then I have low blood sugar so I am constantly or almost constantly eating through the day.
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cold, cold, cold here. inside and out.
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Being cold is miserable. I think the only thing worse is being wet and cold.
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It is miserable. Especially when you can't do anything about it.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
It is miserable. Especially when you can't do anything about it.
Sorry to hear that Brenda. :(
Usually I'd be right with you there in solidarity, but I decided this year not to live in extreme cold inside the house because all I do is veg out under the covers playing games or watching youtube when I'm not at work. I refuse to let myself fall back into bad habits because it's cold outside, although I fear my heat bill is going to be a majority of what my take home pay is the next few months because of it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Do you have a programmable thermostat? That saved me a bunch.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
It is miserable. Especially when you can't do anything about it.
Sorry to hear that Brenda. :(
Usually I'd be right with you there in solidarity, but I decided this year not to live in extreme cold inside the house because all I do is veg out under the covers playing games or watching youtube when I'm not at work. I refuse to let myself fall back into bad habits because it's cold outside, although I fear my heat bill is going to be a majority of what my take home pay is the next few months because of it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
It is miserable. Especially when you can't do anything about it.
Sorry to hear that Brenda. :(
Usually I'd be right with you there in solidarity, but I decided this year not to live in extreme cold inside the house because all I do is veg out under the covers playing games or watching youtube when I'm not at work. I refuse to let myself fall back into bad habits because it's cold outside, although I fear my heat bill is going to be a majority of what my take home pay is the next few months because of it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I'm glad that you're not Jack. No one should have to put up with the cold. If using the heat in your house keeps you from getting sick this winter then that is money well spent. That is my major worry now.
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Rain today and laundry. Oh the joy.
Went to my local casino yesterday and didn't loose any money but only made a profit of $3 and some change. The machines were really strange.
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Hopefully am going to get some other Christmas stuff going next week. In the rain that is suppose to be coming.
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Originally posted by Brenda:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
It is miserable. Especially when you can't do anything about it.
Sorry to hear that Brenda. :(
Usually I'd be right with you there in solidarity, but I decided this year not to live in extreme cold inside the house because all I do is veg out under the covers playing games or watching youtube when I'm not at work. I refuse to let myself fall back into bad habits because it's cold outside, although I fear my heat bill is going to be a majority of what my take home pay is the next few months because of it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I'm glad that you're not Jack. No one should have to put up with the cold. If using the heat in your house keeps you from getting sick this winter then that is money well spent. That is my major worry now.
Have you ever considered infrared heat? I know that now is a terrible time to bring up the idea since you're not going to find bargains on them when winter is just picking up, but they run on signifigantly less power than older heating technology.
I know that money is an issue for you, but if I remember right it was really your shitty landlady bitching about electricity costs that was keeping you from living in an adequately heated space. Maybe you could find a way to get an infrared heater this year and keep the place warmer without the bitch screaming at you?
A caveat: Though the technology is "perfectly safe", I wouldn't trust that it is until a few decades go by and the real results come in. They sound like reverse microwaves to me. I'm thinking about getting one myself to heat the basement and make the floors on the first floor warm, but I wouldn't put it in the rooms that I use often.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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You might want to look into this one:
https://express.google.com/u/0/product/18406843291619532442_1180819589
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I'm not sure if you'd get the same deals in Canada as it says for me, but it's free shipping from Fry's Electronics, and they've got something on the page saying "Deal: 20% off your first order" which would drop it down to under 50 USD before taxes.
Here were the most meaningful reviews I saw:
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The service is great!!! It came quicker than expected. There is a bit of a smell the first few days, but not a problem after that.The heat is amazing. Warm but not overpowering hot and dry.. warmed the room quickly and pleasantly. I had it mostly on the low setting which was more than efficient for the room. My electric bill was NOT a shock, pleasantly surprise for the use I had given it. the system regulate well, keeping the use of electricity efficient and economical. I love it. It also move so easy from room to room. My nine cats say" Thank you for the extra warmth". If a person needs extra heat it is the way to go. On some day it is all I use. Thank you for a fine product.
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I've used Soleus panel heaters for years to rid myself of the expensive electric heat in the ceilings of 70's era homes. This new model dropped the remote control but other than that it's still the solution for older "all-electric" homes.
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This is my second time buying this heater. I love it. Very quiet because it has no fan. Heats up very quickly. Warms up more than one room. Similar to a furnace but much better.
I'm actually thinking of buying one myself today. My brother is going to be staying here for around 5 days before Christmas and usually when he comes we need to bundle up heavily in the basement where my only flat screen TV is so we can watch TV. My crappy and inefficient heating system has no heat going to the basement of my tri-level home, so the only warmth it sees is the residual from the upstairs. This might be a relatively cheap solution.
At the 750 watts setting, that would cost me about 7 or 8 cents per hour to run it. Double that if the 1,500 watts setting is necessary.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Do you have a programmable thermostat? That saved me a bunch.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
It is miserable. Especially when you can't do anything about it.
Sorry to hear that Brenda. :(
Usually I'd be right with you there in solidarity, but I decided this year not to live in extreme cold inside the house because all I do is veg out under the covers playing games or watching youtube when I'm not at work. I refuse to let myself fall back into bad habits because it's cold outside, although I fear my heat bill is going to be a majority of what my take home pay is the next few months because of it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I don't.
I'm not going to say that it wouldn't help, because it probably would, but my furnace is from the early 60's and is still chugging along. It's in the attic, it's an upflow furnace, it puts the hot air along half of my roof before going down, and only heats from the ceilings in the 1st and 2nd floors, putting no hot air to the basement. There aren't enough returns, so the flow is very poor. You actually have to get up on a chair and feel about a foot 1/2 under the ducts to even feel the hot air coming out.
There is a slab and pipes for a basement furnace in the crawlspace, but until I'm sure I won't be having any flooding issues I'm not going to invest any money into that.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:So all of your heat supply outlet vents are in the ceiling of your 1st & 2nd floors? And your furnace is above the ceiling of the 2nd floor?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:\
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Do you have a programmable thermostat? That saved me a bunch.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Sorry to hear that Brenda. :(
Usually I'd be right with you there in solidarity, but I decided this year not to live in extreme cold inside the house because all I do is veg out under the covers playing games or watching youtube when I'm not at work. I refuse to let myself fall back into bad habits because it's cold outside, although I fear my heat bill is going to be a majority of what my take home pay is the next few months because of it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I don't.
I'm not going to say that it wouldn't help, because it probably would, but my furnace is from the early 60's and is still chugging along. It's in the attic, it's an upflow furnace, it puts the hot air along half of my roof before going down, and only heats from the ceilings in the 1st and 2nd floors, putting no hot air to the basement. There aren't enough returns, so the flow is very poor. You actually have to get up on a chair and feel about a foot 1/2 under the ducts to even feel the hot air coming out.
There is a slab and pipes for a basement furnace in the crawlspace, but until I'm sure I won't be having any flooding issues I'm not going to invest any money into that.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Where are your returns? In the floors, at the bottom of the walls, also in the ceiling? One in each room, one on each floor?
Do you have flow dampers in your ducts? Probably near your furnace, in the attic, but maybe elsewhere. Looks like an "L" lever in the side of the duct, or sometimes a "T"?
Is the ductwork in your attic bare metal, or wrapped in insulation, like a silver solar wrapping?
Have you used a thermometer to measure the temp at your heat vents, so you know what the temp is at each vent?
Do you have an air filter on the intake of the furnace, like before the air return goes into the furnace? Have you replaced it or cleaned/blown it out?
I'd bet your heat issue can be resolved for cheap, you just need to let it work. And I'm including your basement.
After you answer, I'll tell you what to try. But before I forget, the cheap options I'll talk about are at places like Restore, for instance. Plus St. Vincent's, Goodwill, Salvation Army.
Programmable thermostats do not need a new furnace, they just tell the furnace when to be on. So you can program it to be on an hour before you get home, an hour before you wake up, and mostly off the rest of the time. Unless you want it to be working mostly when the Sun is also helping, which saves the most $$. The last one I got was $14 about 8 years ago. The one I got 13 years ago was $30.
Once I tell you how to heat your house for cheap, instead of your roof shingles, you should save $$.
After you post a reply, you can start prep by measuring and writing down the temp at every single vent. You should also have at least one vent and also return which cannot be shut off, closed, etc. Identify which ones are those, if you don't already know. Also rest your thermometer on the main/central duct which comes out of the furnace, and record what that temp is when the furnace has run awhile, long enough for it to get warmed up. And if you can, rest/lean the thermometer against the duct at the attic floor, as it leaves the attic to go down through the house. You might have several of those, so any one is OK to record, or you can record 2: the one with the longest stretch of ductwork, with all twists and turns, from the furnace, and then the one with the shortest stretch of ductwork.
If you didn't know, putting all your heat into your roof shingles will melt the snow off your roof - a
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Hey Signy, here's a (not very readable) chart for the last rain-year that shows when the rain wasn't.
And here's the most recent data they have for this year (they just put this up - only 5 months late).
No rain is in the forecast for the next 20 days.
fwiw if the gifs don't show up in this post (they did at first, now they don't) 'reply with quote' to pick up the urls and access them in your browser.
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Rain and cold here today.
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Tried those pancakes that I talked about and they are good. :)
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Quote:How much water you add to that recipe? Or do you use 7-Up?
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Tried those pancakes that I talked about and they are good. :)
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Quote:Well dang-nab it for you. If you can't stay warm - stay dry!
Originally posted by Brenda:
Rain and cold here today.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:So all of your heat supply outlet vents are in the ceiling of your 1st & 2nd floors? And your furnace is above the ceiling of the 2nd floor?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:\
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Do you have a programmable thermostat? That saved me a bunch.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Sorry to hear that Brenda. :(
Usually I'd be right with you there in solidarity, but I decided this year not to live in extreme cold inside the house because all I do is veg out under the covers playing games or watching youtube when I'm not at work. I refuse to let myself fall back into bad habits because it's cold outside, although I fear my heat bill is going to be a majority of what my take home pay is the next few months because of it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I don't.
I'm not going to say that it wouldn't help, because it probably would, but my furnace is from the early 60's and is still chugging along. It's in the attic, it's an upflow furnace, it puts the hot air along half of my roof before going down, and only heats from the ceilings in the 1st and 2nd floors, putting no hot air to the basement. There aren't enough returns, so the flow is very poor. You actually have to get up on a chair and feel about a foot 1/2 under the ducts to even feel the hot air coming out.
There is a slab and pipes for a basement furnace in the crawlspace, but until I'm sure I won't be having any flooding issues I'm not going to invest any money into that.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Where are your returns? In the floors, at the bottom of the walls, also in the ceiling? One in each room, one on each floor?
Do you have flow dampers in your ducts? Probably near your furnace, in the attic, but maybe elsewhere. Looks like an "L" lever in the side of the duct, or sometimes a "T"?
Is the ductwork in your attic bare metal, or wrapped in insulation, like a silver solar wrapping?
Have you used a thermometer to measure the temp at your heat vents, so you know what the temp is at each vent?
Do you have an air filter on the intake of the furnace, like before the air return goes into the furnace? Have you replaced it or cleaned/blown it out?
I'd bet your heat issue can be resolved for cheap, you just need to let it work. And I'm including your basement.
After you answer, I'll tell you what to try. But before I forget, the cheap options I'll talk about are at places like Restore, for instance. Plus St. Vincent's, Goodwill, Salvation Army.
Programmable thermostats do not need a new furnace, they just tell the furnace when to be on. So you can program it to be on an hour before you get home, an hour before you wake up, and mostly off the rest of the time. Unless you want it to be working mostly when the Sun is also helping, which saves the most $$. The last one I got was $14 about 8 years ago. The one I got 13 years ago was $30.
Once I tell you how to heat your house for cheap, instead of your roof shingles, you should save $$.
After you post a reply, you can start prep by measuring and writing down the temp at every single vent. You should also have at least one vent and also return which cannot be shut off, closed, etc. Identify which ones are those, if you don't already know. Also rest your thermometer on the main/central duct which comes out of the furnace, and record what that temp is when the furnace has run awhile, long enough for it to get warmed up. And if you can, rest/lean the thermometer against the duct at the attic floor, as it leaves the attic to go down through the house. You might have several of those, so any one is OK to record, or you can record 2: the one with the longest stretch of ductwork, with all twists and turns, from the furnace, and then the one with the shortest stretch of ductwork.
If you didn't know, putting all your heat into your ro
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:How much water you add to that recipe? Or do you use 7-Up?
Originally posted by Brenda:
Tried those pancakes that I talked about and they are good. :)
I used water and I don't know. Wasn't measuring anything.
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Quote:Well dang-nab it for you. If you can't stay warm - stay dry!
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Originally posted by Brenda:
Rain and cold here today.
I was dry as I stayed in all day.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:So all of your heat supply outlet vents are in the ceiling of your 1st & 2nd floors? And your furnace is above the ceiling of the 2nd floor?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:\
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Do you have a programmable thermostat? That saved me a bunch.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Sorry to hear that Brenda. :(
Usually I'd be right with you there in solidarity, but I decided this year not to live in extreme cold inside the house because all I do is veg out under the covers playing games or watching youtube when I'm not at work. I refuse to let myself fall back into bad habits because it's cold outside, although I fear my heat bill is going to be a majority of what my take home pay is the next few months because of it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I don't.
I'm not going to say that it wouldn't help, because it probably would, but my furnace is from the early 60's and is still chugging along. It's in the attic, it's an upflow furnace, it puts the hot air along half of my roof before going down, and only heats from the ceilings in the 1st and 2nd floors, putting no hot air to the basement. There aren't enough returns, so the flow is very poor. You actually have to get up on a chair and feel about a foot 1/2 under the ducts to even feel the hot air coming out.
There is a slab and pipes for a basement furnace in the crawlspace, but until I'm sure I won't be having any flooding issues I'm not going to invest any money into that.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Where are your returns? In the floors, at the bottom of the walls, also in the ceiling? One in each room, one on each floor?
Do you have flow dampers in your ducts? Probably near your furnace, in the attic, but maybe elsewhere. Looks like an "L" lever in the side of the duct, or sometimes a "T"?
Is the ductwork in your attic bare metal, or wrapped in insulation, like a silver solar wrapping?
Have you used a thermometer to measure the temp at your heat vents, so you know what the temp is at each vent?
Do you have an air filter on the intake of the furnace, like before the air return goes into the furnace? Have you replaced it or cleaned/blown it out?
I'd bet your heat issue can be resolved for cheap, you just need to let it work. And I'm including your basement.
After you answer, I'll tell you what to try. But before I forget, the cheap options I'll talk about are at places like Restore, for instance. Plus St. Vincent's, Goodwill, Salvation Army.
Programmable thermostats do not need a new furnace, they just tell the furnace when to be on. So you can program it to be on an hour before you get home, an hour before you wake up, and mostly off the rest of the time. Unless you want it to be working mostly when the Sun is also helping, which saves the most $$. The last one I got was $14 about 8 years ago. The one I got 13 years ago was $30.
Once I tell you how to heat your house for cheap, instead of your roof shingles, you should save $$.
After you post a reply, you can start prep by measuring and writing down the temp at every single vent. You should also have at least one vent and also return which cannot be shut off, closed, etc. Identify which ones are those, if you don't already know. Also rest your thermometer on the main/central duct which comes out of the furnace, and record what that temp is when the furnace has run awhile, long enough for it to get warmed up. And if you can, rest/lean the thermometer against the duct at the attic floor, as it leaves the attic to go down through the house. You might have several of those, so any one is OK to record, or you can record 2: the one with the longest stretch of ductwork, with all twists and turns, from the furnace, and then the one with the shortest stretch of ductwork.
If you didn
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Rain and a broken umbrella yesterday. More rain tomorrow.
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My idiot landlady just came down here a while ago and accused me of putting too much strain on the electrical in the house. They have a flickering light in their kitchen and she's worried that when it blows it will knock out the power. I don't think so but I couldn't say that to her.
Also they are just figuring out that this house wasn't designed to handle all the strain. I could only look at her and think, "Well, no bloody duh."
That's what you get for building illegally. Now my worry is that they may try to sell the house.
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Well, I just had a fall in this place. Tripped over something and went down hard on my knees and right hand.
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:(
Hope you're okay Brenda.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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:(
Hope you're okay Brenda.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Hey Jack. Yeah, I'm okay. My knees will be sporting lovely bruises tomorrow and over the next week. Right pinky finger is a little sore still and feeling a little stiff. Have to make sure that I wear gloves tonight in bed, so my hand doesn't seize up.
Got things to do on the morrow. Forgot to pay a bill yesterday(Friday).
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:So all of your heat supply outlet vents are in the ceiling of your 1st & 2nd floors? And your furnace is above the ceiling of the 2nd floor?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:\
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Do you have a programmable thermostat? That saved me a bunch.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Sorry to hear that Brenda. :(
Usually I'd be right with you there in solidarity, but I decided this year not to live in extreme cold inside the house because all I do is veg out under the covers playing games or watching youtube when I'm not at work. I refuse to let myself fall back into bad habits because it's cold outside, although I fear my heat bill is going to be a majority of what my take home pay is the next few months because of it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I don't.
I'm not going to say that it wouldn't help, because it probably would, but my furnace is from the early 60's and is still chugging along. It's in the attic, it's an upflow furnace, it puts the hot air along half of my roof before going down, and only heats from the ceilings in the 1st and 2nd floors, putting no hot air to the basement. There aren't enough returns, so the flow is very poor. You actually have to get up on a chair and feel about a foot 1/2 under the ducts to even feel the hot air coming out.
There is a slab and pipes for a basement furnace in the crawlspace, but until I'm sure I won't be having any flooding issues I'm not going to invest any money into that.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Where are your returns? In the floors, at the bottom of the walls, also in the ceiling? One in each room, one on each floor?
Do you have flow dampers in your ducts? Probably near your furnace, in the attic, but maybe elsewhere. Looks like an "L" lever in the side of the duct, or sometimes a "T"?
Is the ductwork in your attic bare metal, or wrapped in insulation, like a silver solar wrapping?
Have you used a thermometer to measure the temp at your heat vents, so you know what the temp is at each vent?
Do you have an air filter on the intake of the furnace, like before the air return goes into the furnace? Have you replaced it or cleaned/blown it out?
I'd bet your heat issue can be resolved for cheap, you just need to let it work. And I'm including your basement.
After you answer, I'll tell you what to try. But before I forget, the cheap options I'll talk about are at places like Restore, for instance. Plus St. Vincent's, Goodwill, Salvation Army.
Programmable thermostats do not need a new furnace, they just tell the furnace when to be on. So you can program it to be on an hour before you get home, an hour before you wake up, and mostly off the rest of the time. Unless you want it to be working mostly when the Sun is also helping, which saves the most $$. The last one I got was $14 about 8 years ago. The one I got 13 years ago was $30.
Once I tell you how to heat your house for cheap, instead of your roof shingles, you should save $$.
After you post a reply, you can start prep by measuring and writing down the temp at every single vent. You should also have at least one vent and also return which cannot be shut off, closed, etc. Identify which ones are those, if you don't already know. Also rest your thermometer on the main/central duct which comes out of the furnace, and record what that temp is when the furnace has run awhile, long enough for it to get warmed up. And if you can, rest/lean the thermometer against the duct at the attic floor, as it leaves the attic to go down through the house. You might have several of those, so any one is OK to record, or you can record 2: the one with the longest stretch of ductwork, with all twists and turns, from the furnace, and then the one with th
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
When I mentioned ducts in the attic, I was referring to ductwork which comes out of the furnace, to eventually arrive at the vents in the rooms below. Ducts could be circular sheet metal, aka "stovepipe" tubes, or rectangular sheetmetal for larger volumes.
Without looking at it again, I'm going to say that most if not all of the duct work is the rectangular fashion.
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I am assuming you do not have an outlet vent in the attic, only the return which you have now mentioned.
No outlet in the attic, just the return. It's about 2.5 ft from the filter and the blower, so it's probably doing more harm than good even existing since it's pulling cold air from the attic instead of warmer air from the larger return on the first floor living room.
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When I said leaning the thermometer against the duct at the floor of the attic, this means just measuring the temp on the outer surface of the ductwork, at the point the ductwork is leaving the attic space. I can understand that this spot may be not easily accessible.
This would probably not be too hard, actually. It would probably be interesting to see how "warm" that duct work is since it already traveled along the roof before making its way down.
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And I'm not talking about any ductwork that is inside your walls. None of these solutions should mess with any wall interiors.
Cool. I can't really do anything about those without causing a lot of damage anyhow.
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It sounds to me that you have the 2 standard and common issues, which I had assumed were the case, and which have largely inexpensive and fairly simple "bandaids" - unless you tell me something new.
In addition to these 2 common issues, you mention this 2nd unused ductwork system, which can really be useful, assuming it is still intact.
It's not all still intact. I'd say about half of it is. I'd have to plan out how to properly lay it out in the crawl space whenever I get around to putting a furnace down there since I wouldn't want it blocking my entry or making it even harder to get down there when I need to for the extremely necessary sump pump system.
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Your 2 common issues, which often snowball on each other, are (1) system flow and (2) directional heat retention/Integrity.
Not wanting to add strain to the blower fan of the furnace, I would not want to restrict intake flow of the attic return. Instead, you should add some booster fans to refocus the flow.
You can use temporary bandaids until you understand how well your system is capable of working.
1. Put a floor fan on your 1st floor return, right up against it, forcing air into the return. A simple, cheap box fan should work. You didn't specify if the return is in the floor, or ceiling, or wall. Regardless, this will help pull more heated air out of the 1st floor vents.
This could be a problem. The return is very high up... about a foot from the ceiling. I haven't measured it, but I'd guess it's around 10" tall and 24" wide. A box fan probably wouldn't be a good solution.
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2. Put some more smaller fans on the heat vent grates of the 1st floor vents. All of these will also help reduce work and strain on the blower fan of the furnace. Small fans like personal fans, or desk fans can work, whatever you find for cheap. These will be mounted to suck the air out of the vent on 1st floor. A small enough fan can be placed/rested right on top of the vent grate (in the ceiling) with the power cord dangling through the vent slot. You could also mount/strap a lightweight fan directly to the bottom of the vent grate.
Do you know if they make fans specifically for this purpose?
Here's a picture of a similar vent cover for the vents in my ceiling:
Accord Ventilation White Steel Ceiling Diffuser (Rough
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For a treat today I bought $12 in scratch lottery tickets and won about $17.
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Quote:YAY!!
Originally posted by Brenda:
For a treat today I bought $12 in scratch lottery tickets and won about $17.
And, I missed the post way back when where you fell. I hope you're OK.
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Quote:YAY!!
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
For a treat today I bought $12 in scratch lottery tickets and won about $17.
And, I missed the post way back when where you fell. I hope you're OK.
The winning was good. :)
The fall happened after my idiot landlady was down again blaming me for the problems they are having upstairs. I've almost tripped over the object before and last night just wasn't a good evening. But on the flip side I am okay. Right hand feels a little stiff but it works and no major bruising on my knees. So, yeah I am okay Kiki.
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New comic and collectable shop has opened in a local mall. Going to get a couple of back issues of Wolverine and maybe one or two of Gambit and X-Men for a Christmas to me.
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6ix,
1. You had not specified the location of your 1st floor return, until now. I think a box fan should work fine, at least until you have a better understanding of how much heat capacity your furnace has, which you really don't know right now. First, support the weight of the fan - if you cannot put ceiling hooks in, and then hang the fan from them, then any cheap support like a $5 bookcase or other tall furniture can be used to rest the fan weight upon it. After supporting the weight, use wire ties or simple twist ties to mate the fan grille to the return grate. Put that fan on high speed.
2. I assumed you could find cheap mini-fans, which would push the warm air down at least more than the few inches it does now.
I'm sure there are fans made for this. I might try a regular ceiling exhaust/ventilation fan, like for the bathroom, but reversing the motor polarity. But my bathroom fan was about $100, and I'm not going to tell you to do that until you see just how well all of this works. Do you have any spare PC fans laying around - the AC versions?
Embrace the ghetto for the moment, staying cheap. Until you fully understand what does work, and what does not. Then pretty up the factors that you think had the best impact, as time and money allow. I am not imagining you spending a pile of cash on all this.
When you measure the temp on the outer surface of the attic ducting, both at the output of the furnace and at the departure point going into the attic floor, you will know the temperature drop across this span of ductwork. This temp drop really should be 5 degrees or less, but I suspect yours is like 30-50 degrees.
Furnace efficiency. Imagine a furnace sucking in 50-60 degree air, firing on full burn to heat that air up to about 100 degrees on the way out to heating vents. That is efficient, adding 40-50 degrees of heat. Now imagine the same furnace sucking in 80 degree air, heating up to 100-110 degrees. All that burning energy, used up on air that is already warm. There isn't enough temp differential available for the furnace to be as efficient as it would be with cooler air.
So our prime goal here is to add a series of booster fans on 1st floor to improve the flow of air through the furnace blower, as well as through the ductwork and then through the rooms which receive heat.
Maybe the best way to think of this is "for troubleshooting purposes only" so that you only end up throwing money at the things you understand are worth it. If absolutely nothing changes (which I doubt, they work great in my houses), then you didn't waste anything.
So, what is the actual temperature coming out of the heating vents?
And remember to shop at Restore for the used equipment.
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Hit the wrong button. "laugh:
Cold and most likely wet here today. Good thing I am staying in.
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I had my mind on this when I was talking to my folks on the phone the other night, and I remembered that I had a cheapo non-digital thermometer in the basement by the crawl space. It was laying on the cold tile floor and it was right around 55 or 56 degrees.
I took it upstairs to the first floor, about 2-3 feet under the 1st floor return and let it sit for a few minutes and was pretty happy to see that it was reading about 67 degrees, which is only 1 degree less than I have the thermostat on the 2nd floor set to. (Good news, although it has been quite "warm" the last 5 or so days around here, reaching highs in the 40's and lows only in the high 20's, and it hasn't been really windy).
The temp reaches between 71 and 72 in the bathroom and the hallway on the 2nd floor before the heat stops. This means that, at least when it's this warm, the differential between the 2nd floor where the thermostat is and the cold tile floors in the basement is only around 15 degrees at most.
This is also good news, but I know that this differential only grows the colder and windier it gets outside.
It should be noted, however, that at 68 degrees the thermostat is now set 5 degrees higher than I've ever had it set to since I've owned the house. I'm not sure how this alone is going to change my experience this year compared to previous years. I should be getting my first bill with the temp up this high sometime late this week.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
6ix,
1. You had not specified the location of your 1st floor return, until now. I think a box fan should work fine, at least until you have a better understanding of how much heat capacity your furnace has, which you really don't know right now. First, support the weight of the fan - if you cannot put ceiling hooks in, and then hang the fan from them, then any cheap support like a $5 bookcase or other tall furniture can be used to rest the fan weight upon it. After supporting the weight, use wire ties or simple twist ties to mate the fan grille to the return grate. Put that fan on high speed.
I haven't remodeled the living room yet since it was the nicest looking room in the house when I bought it and would only really require a paint job unless I don't end up being lazy and put the extreme effort of adding new conduit through the wall and ceiling to put a junction box for a ceiling fan in there (I have no idea why these old houses so often didn't have any outlets on the ceiling in huge rooms like this)
I still really don't want to be putting hooks up there though. I do have a unique looking little curio/shelving unit that is close to it. I could take all of the stuff off the top shelf and move it underneath the return. I might have to build it up about a half a foot with books or something. Good idea.
Any ideas how I could rig something up so it is somewhat "sealed" and isn't just pushing air around the outside of the hole and a majority of the work it's doing would be going into the return?
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3. I assumed you could find cheap mini-fans, which would push the warm air down at least more than the few inches it does now.
I'm sure there are fans made for this. I might try a regular ceiling exhaust/ventilation fan, like for the bathroom, but reversing the motor polarity. But my bathroom fan was about $100, and I'm not going to tell you to do that until you see just how well all of this works. Do you have any spare PC fans laying around - the AC versions?
Yeah... I'm not going to put 300 bucks into fans for the first floor, even if I find out this ends up working great. :)
I'll have to do a little research and see if I can find something better.
I might have a spare PC fan or two lying around, but I don't believe I have 3 of them right now. Come to think of it though, I do have a 2nd desktop computer that crapped out on me a few years back. I bet there are some in there I could clean up for the task. D
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6ix,
I didn't realize your blower fan was known to be wonky. I had understood that it was not functioning adequately by your list of symptoms, but didn't know it has never been set correctly to function correctly.
Fixing that should fix most of the problems you have. Skip the rest until you get that going.
What is yours currently set at? The settings/pointers/needles should have one in a lower range of numbers, and the other in a higher range of numbers.
Your answer here will tell me what is next.
Regarding your question about booster fan, I don't even have mine mated to the grates. One is within a foot of the output vent which cannot be closed/shut off (there must always be one of these). I leave it on high or medium when I want the house heated up or cooled down, and it cuts that time in half or thirds. The entire house gets temp controlled much better just from that alone. The other booster fan I use is in my bedroom, only used during A/C, and is 1-2 feet from the vent, often on low speed. Works fantastic, making that the coolest room in the house, even though it is on the top floor.
Regarding your thermometers, either should work fine. Use both of them in the same spot, and assuming they have the same reading, there is your proof.
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Tired, tired. Cold, cold, cold.
Also wind and rain here.
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6ix,
I didn't realize your blower fan was known to be wonky. I had understood that it was not functioning adequately by your list of symptoms, but didn't know it has never been set correctly to function correctly.
Well... It's not wonky, per se. When the people who lived here before me got foreclosed on, they took a lot of stuff with them. I'm assuming they screwed the furnace up bad when they took out the A/C unit and all the copper right up to the blower. The wiring was bad and the furnace just didn't work at all. I don't remember all the details all these years later and what all I needed to do to get it to work, but it was pretty detailed.
When I say that it's not wonky, what I mean is it always behaves exactly the same... every time it fires up, and for every winter I've lived here. That's not to say that it's set up correctly, just that it doesn't change behavior.
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Fixing that should fix most of the problems you have. Skip the rest until you get that going.
I don't know about that. There still is the issue of a much less than adequite return system, as well as the blower not putting much force on the hot air by the time it hits the vents, but sure, we'll try this first. :)
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What is yours currently set at? The settings/pointers/needles should have one in a lower range of numbers, and the other in a higher range of numbers.
Your answer here will tell me what is next.
There's actually three settings. (Refer to the picture above to see all three as that picture is very similar to mine). Many years ago I could tell you what they all did, but I've lost that knowledge in the ether without ever having any use for it again.
I just checked it, and the three "needles" are pointed at 100, 130 and 180. (180 seems to be the maximum for the high end. The unit has higher numbers than that, but there is a piece of metal that is there which seems designed to block you from setting it any higher).
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Regarding your question about booster fan, I don't even have mine mated to the grates. One is within a foot of the output vent which cannot be closed/shut off (there must always be one of these). I leave it on high or medium when I want the house heated up or cooled down, and it cuts that time in half or thirds. The entire house gets temp controlled much better just from that alone. The other booster fan I use is in my bedroom, only used during A/C, and is 1-2 feet from the vent, often on low speed. Works fantastic, making that the coolest room in the house, even though it is on the top floor.
Remember... my vents are on my ceilings. I'm going to have to figure out a way to make the fans do something worthwhile up there if it comes to that. They're not going to do me much good on the floor.
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Regarding your thermometers, either should work fine. Use both of them in the same spot, and assuming they have the same reading, there is your proof.
Cool.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
6ix,
I didn't realize your blower fan was known to be wonky. I had understood that it was not functioning adequately by your list of symptoms, but didn't know it has never been set correctly to function correctly.
Well... It's not wonky, per se. When the people who lived here before me got foreclosed on, they took a lot of stuff with them. I'm assuming they screwed the furnace up bad when they took out the A/C unit and all the copper right up to the blower. The wiring was bad and the furnace just didn't work at all. I don't remember all the details all these years later and what all I needed to do to get it to work, but it was pretty detailed.
When I say that it's not wonky... That's not to say that it's set up correctly,Quote:
Fixing that should fix most of the problems you have. Skip the rest until you get that going.
I don't know about that. There still is the issue of a much less than adequite return system, as well as the blower not putting much force on the hot air by the time it hits the vents, but sure, we'll try this first. :)Quote:
What is yours currently set at? The settings/pointers/needles should have one in a lower range of numbers, and the other in a higher range of numbers.
Your answer here will tell me what is next.
There's actually three settings. (Refer to the picture above to see all three as that picture is very similar to mine). Many years ago I could tell you what they all did, but I've lost that knowledge in the ether without ever having any use for it again.
I just checked it, and the three "needles" are pointed at 100, 130 and 180. (180 seems to be the maximum for the high end. The unit has higher numbers than that, but there is a piece of metal that is there which seems designed to block you from setting it any higher).Quote:
Regarding your thermometers, either should work fine. Use both of them in the same spot, and assuming they have the same reading, there is your proof.
Cool.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
This is about what I expected.
Before changing your settings, do the following when you feel up to it. No hurry yet, since it is not cold by you.
Prep for the following steps before actually doing them.
1. Wait until the furnace has been off at least 20 minutes. You can force this situation by turning your thermostat down for this time.
2. Force the thermostat to command the furnace on, and check the time. Best to start this at the top of a minute, unless you have a stopwatch. You can force this command by turning the thermostat up 5-10 degrees above current room temp for this test.
3. Quickly scoot up to your furnace, and listen for when your blower fan turns on. Your furnace will have an combustion fan running while it warms up, and then when warmed up should kick on the blower fan. Notate how many minutes elapsed between Command On and blower fan start. While waiting for this, try to find the warmest surface of the furnace and use a thermometer to measure the temp there. This will not be the actual internal temp that we are looking for, but it will be an indicator. Notate what is the highest temp is at the moment the blower fan turns on.
4. Record these numbers for future comparison, repeat the test to confirm if you choose. Return thermostat to normal.
After that, you can change the needle settings.
I would move your lowest needle down to 90. If like the unit in the picture, be sure to hold the dial assembly from turning or twisting while you move needles. Gently using a fine needlenose might help you adjust them if they are sticky.
The second needle can be left at 130 if you choose, or if room could be nudged to 135 or 140.
Leave the high one alone.
This should be much more efficient. Since you now know your furnace is heating your 1st & 2nd floors to the set temps, now you need to wait until colder weather to find out w
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And we are back.
Now at 8pm, someone has decided to do their washing. Oh joy. That means that my toilet won't flush now.
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Quote:This is about what I expected.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
6ix,
I didn't realize your blower fan was known to be wonky. I had understood that it was not functioning adequately by your list of symptoms, but didn't know it has never been set correctly to function correctly.
Well... It's not wonky, per se. When the people who lived here before me got foreclosed on, they took a lot of stuff with them. I'm assuming they screwed the furnace up bad when they took out the A/C unit and all the copper right up to the blower. The wiring was bad and the furnace just didn't work at all. I don't remember all the details all these years later and what all I needed to do to get it to work, but it was pretty detailed.
When I say that it's not wonky... That's not to say that it's set up correctly,Quote:
Fixing that should fix most of the problems you have. Skip the rest until you get that going.
I don't know about that. There still is the issue of a much less than adequite return system, as well as the blower not putting much force on the hot air by the time it hits the vents, but sure, we'll try this first. :)Quote:
What is yours currently set at? The settings/pointers/needles should have one in a lower range of numbers, and the other in a higher range of numbers.
Your answer here will tell me what is next.
There's actually three settings. (Refer to the picture above to see all three as that picture is very similar to mine). Many years ago I could tell you what they all did, but I've lost that knowledge in the ether without ever having any use for it again.
I just checked it, and the three "needles" are pointed at 100, 130 and 180. (180 seems to be the maximum for the high end. The unit has higher numbers than that, but there is a piece of metal that is there which seems designed to block you from setting it any higher).Quote:
Regarding your thermometers, either should work fine. Use both of them in the same spot, and assuming they have the same reading, there is your proof.
Cool.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Before changing your settings, do the following when you feel up to it. No hurry yet, since it is not cold by you.
Prep for the following steps before actually doing them.
1. Wait until the furnace has been off at least 20 minutes. You can force this situation by turning your thermostat down for this time.
2. Force the thermostat to command the furnace on, and check the time. Best to start this at the top of a minute, unless you have a stopwatch. You can force this command by turning the thermostat up 5-10 degrees above current room temp for this test.
3. Quickly scoot up to your furnace, and listen for when your blower fan turns on. Your furnace will have an combustion fan running while it warms up, and then when warmed up should kick on the blower fan. Notate how many minutes elapsed between Command On and blower fan start. While waiting for this, try to find the warmest surface of the furnace and use a thermometer to measure the temp there. This will not be the actual internal temp that we are looking for, but it will be an indicator. Notate what is the highest temp is at the moment the blower fan turns on.
4. Record these numbers for future comparison, repeat the test to confirm if you choose. Return thermostat to normal.
After that, you can change the needle settings.
I would move your lowest needle down to 90. If like the unit in the picture, be sure to hold the dial assembly from turning or twisting while you move needles. Gently using a fine needlenose might help you adjust them if they are sticky.
The second needle can be left at 130 if you choose, or if room could be nudged to 135 or 140.
Leave the high one alone.
This should be much more efficient. Since you now know your furnace is heating your 1st & 2nd floors to the set temps, now you
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Originally posted by Brenda:
And we are back.
Now at 8pm, someone has decided to do their washing. Oh joy. That means that my toilet won't flush now.
As sorry as I feel for you Brenda, I have to look at the bright side here and think that you're very lucky that this isn't YOUR house. The electrical and plumbing work sound absolutely abysmal. If that house was going to be sold in one of the south Chicago suburbs I was initially looking into, they couldn't even put it on the market until all of that was brought up to code unless they wanted to sell it at a rock bottom price and list it "as is". In that case, the person or entity who bought it would have additional paperwork from the city added to their loan contract stating they had 90 days to fix it themselves and that nobody could even live in the home until it was completed and verified by a code inspector. Of course, all of the work done would have to be completed by a very high priced licensed and bonded union professional as well.
I know it doesn't really help you out at all, but at least you can be happy knowing that when you can finally get out of there you'll be able to wash your hands of the problem entirely.
This also gives me an idea.
If you really want to stick it to them for what they've put you through, you could probably make it pretty hard for them to sell the house just by being a little savvy about it online and make it known how many problems the house has so when somebody does a search on the address they might stumble on that info and hopefully not be screwed by these idiots that are no doubt going to do whatever they can to cover up the problems until after the contracts are iron clad and the money has been transferred.
I'm not sure how different Canada's laws might be, but I don't believe that buyers in the US have much protection after the fact, and that is why it is HIGHLY suggested that you have a reputable home inspector check everything out before signing anything.
Any home inspector worth his or her salt should be able to warn a potential buyer of these issues, but some people try to save money and skip the inspection altogether. You could be saving some poor young naive couple's livelihood and get the satisfaction of making hell for your landlord in the process. :)
I'd recommend caution how you go about putting this info out, obviously, if you're still living there while they try to sell it though.
If you're ever interested in doing this, let me know when the time comes.
I'm a fan of mischief, and have been known from time to time to be quite good at creating it. ;)
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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It bears repeating
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:This is about what I expected.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
6ix,
I didn't realize your blower fan was known to be wonky. I had understood that it was not functioning adequately by your list of symptoms, but didn't know it has never been set correctly to function correctly.
Well... It's not wonky, per se. When the people who lived here before me got foreclosed on, they took a lot of stuff with them. I'm assuming they screwed the furnace up bad when they took out the A/C unit and all the copper right up to the blower. The wiring was bad and the furnace just didn't work at all. I don't remember all the details all these years later and what all I needed to do to get it to work, but it was pretty detailed.
When I say that it's not wonky... That's not to say that it's set up correctly,Quote:
Fixing that should fix most of the problems you have. Skip the rest until you get that going.
I don't know about that. There still is the issue of a much less than adequite return system, as well as the blower not putting much force on the hot air by the time it hits the vents, but sure, we'll try this first. :)Quote:
What is yours currently set at? The settings/pointers/needles should have one in a lower range of numbers, and the other in a higher range of numbers.
Your answer here will tell me what is next.
There's actually three settings. (Refer to the picture above to see all three as that picture is very similar to mine). Many years ago I could tell you what they all did, but I've lost that knowledge in the ether without ever having any use for it again.
I just checked it, and the three "needles" are pointed at 100, 130 and 180. (180 seems to be the maximum for the high end. The unit has higher numbers than that, but there is a piece of metal that is there which seems designed to block you from setting it any higher).Quote:
Regarding your thermometers, either should work fine. Use both of them in the same spot, and assuming they have the same reading, there is your proof.
Cool.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Before changing your settings, do the following when you feel up to it. No hurry yet, since it is not cold by you.
Prep for the following steps before actually doing them.
1. Wait until the furnace has been off at least 20 minutes. You can force this situation by turning your thermostat down for this time.
2. Force the thermostat to command the furnace on, and check the time. Best to start this at the top of a minute, unless you have a stopwatch. You can force this command by turning the thermostat up 5-10 degrees above current room temp for this test.
3. Quickly scoot up to your furnace, and listen for when your blower fan turns on. Your furnace will have an combustion fan running while it warms up, and then when warmed up should kick on the blower fan. Notate how many minutes elapsed between Command On and blower fan start. While waiting for this, try to find the warmest surface of the furnace and use a thermometer to measure the temp there. This will not be the actual internal temp that we are looking for, but it will be an indicator. Notate what is the highest temp is at the moment the blower fan turns on.
4. Record these numbers for future comparison, repeat the test to confirm if you choose. Return thermostat to normal.
After that, you can change the needle settings.
I would move your lowest needle down to 90. If like the unit in the picture, be sure to hold the dial assembly from turning or twisting while you move needles. Gently using a fine needlenose might help you adjust them if they are sticky.
The second needle can be left at 130 if you choose, or if room could be nudged to 135 or 140.
Leave the high one alone.
This should be much more efficient. Since you now know your furnace is heating your
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
And we are back.
Now at 8pm, someone has decided to do their washing. Oh joy. That means that my toilet won't flush now.
As sorry as I feel for you Brenda, I have to look at the bright side here and think that you're very lucky that this isn't YOUR house. The electrical and plumbing work sound absolutely abysmal. If that house was going to be sold in one of the south Chicago suburbs I was initially looking into, they couldn't even put it on the market until all of that was brought up to code unless they wanted to sell it at a rock bottom price and list it "as is". In that case, the person or entity who bought it would have additional paperwork from the city added to their loan contract stating they had 90 days to fix it themselves and that nobody could even live in the home until it was completed and verified by a code inspector. Of course, all of the work done would have to be completed by a very high priced licensed and bonded union professional as well.
I know it doesn't really help you out at all, but at least you can be happy knowing that when you can finally get out of there you'll be able to wash your hands of the problem entirely.
This also gives me an idea.
If you really want to stick it to them for what they've put you through, you could probably make it pretty hard for them to sell the house just by being a little savvy about it online and make it known how many problems the house has so when somebody does a search on the address they might stumble on that info and hopefully not be screwed by these idiots that are no doubt going to do whatever they can to cover up the problems until after the contracts are iron clad and the money has been transferred.
I'm not sure how different Canada's laws might be, but I don't believe that buyers in the US have much protection after the fact, and that is why it is HIGHLY suggested that you have a reputable home inspector check everything out before signing anything.
Any home inspector worth his or her salt should be able to warn a potential buyer of these issues, but some people try to save money and skip the inspection altogether. You could be saving some poor young naive couple's livelihood and get the satisfaction of making hell for your landlord in the process. :)
I'd recommend caution how you go about putting this info out, obviously, if you're still living there while they try to sell it though.
If you're ever interested in doing this, let me know when the time comes.
I'm a fan of mischief, and have been known from time to time to be quite good at creating it. ;)
Do Right, Be Right. :)
If I actually owned the place it wouldn't be in this kind of shape because I wouldn't have been stupid enough to build 2 suites into the place.
I am sure this was a nice little house before they went and did all of this illegal building, which is why the plumbing is going now and the wiring.
The only people I think that would buy this place is a developer and all they would do is pull it all down and then rebuild. That actually has been happening a lot in my city over this year. I can think of 5 spots that's happened in all within walking or busing distance of me.
The only people who know how bad this place is are people that I know and BC Housing.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Those definitions sound more correct. Don't know why that picture shows 125 for the middle pointer.
Most folk are not like you and me, they keep the thermostat much closer to 80. For them the 90 and 100 are fine.
For you, I would say 80 and 90.
Did you time the delay between Command On and blower fan start? This is a real world number, and the rest of this is theoretical troubleshooting.
Think of how much fuel you burned Warming up the furnace and the roof shingles, instead of the house. Most places likely don't care so much, when the furnace is in the basement. But in the attic the heat rises rule didn't help you.
I did a little test this morning before I went to bed and the results weren't good at all. (I didn't think that I just randomly picked numbers...)
I put it at 90 and 120 to start, and the results were not good at all. This might be indicative of other problems with the whole system.
The plenum just isn't hot enough at those numbers. The whole process was longer than usual, and once the temperature got to 72 the blower kept going and I was watching the temp at the thermostat go down to 69 in just a few minutes while it was still on, requiring the next process to start much quicker than it would have.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I recall being told of a problem with my heat exchange many years back when I had signed up for a program to have my local gas/electric company "upgrade" my house to make it more energy efficient. This was a program for people who made under poverty level. I was told at first that I'd be getting a new furnace, but when they saw evidence of the prior flooding in the basement they decided they wouldn't be doing anything... replacing the furnace or otherwise.
I appealed that decision, and the guy had to come back out with his boss a few months later. They reversed their decision at that point, but because of the government shutdown said there was no money and they wouldn't be doing anything. After that, I just said "fuck it" and didn't bother trying to have them back. I think I was just being turned down because I was a white male.
Long story short, after reading an article on a bad heat exchange being a cause of CO2 emissions, and then reading about symptoms of prolonged chronic CO2 exposure, I'm beginning to think this would explain a LOT. From my chronic fatigue and joint pain in the winter, up to and even including my depression and excessive drinking.
This furnace might literally be killing me, and is now at the top of the list of things I need to pay for. In the spring I need to make sure the basement is set up with a second sump well on a battery backup and that everything there works so I won't have any flooding, then I need to get a furnace installed.
Here's the article on CO2 emissions: https://www.whippleplumbing.com/low-exposure-carbon-monoxide-poisoning/
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Hey there 6!
You can pick up CO (carbon monoxide) detectors at your local hardware store for pretty cheap. (Far cheaper than a new furnace.) Here's one example. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Kidde-Plug-In-Carbon-Monoxide-Detector-wit
h-AA-Battery-Backup-21027451/205423758
I got a few for various relatives' homes for x-mas a few years back because they had gas furnaces. (That's the kind of x-mas gift I tend to give. HO HO HO ...)
When it comes to furnaces ... have you looked into ductless heat pumps? They are super efficient as heaters, and then you reverse them and use them as AC in the summer. Here's one example. https://www.mitsubishicomfort.com/technology
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Hey there 6!
You can pick up CO (carbon monoxide) detectors at your local hardware store for pretty cheap. (Far cheaper than a new furnace.) Here's one example. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Kidde-Plug-In-Carbon-Monoxide-Detector-wit
h-AA-Battery-Backup-21027451/205423758
I got a few for various relatives' homes for x-mas a few years back because they had gas furnaces. (That's the kind of x-mas gift I tend to give. HO HO HO ...)
When it comes to furnaces ... have you looked into ductless heat pumps? They are super efficient as heaters, and then you reverse them and use them as AC in the summer. Here's one example. https://www.mitsubishicomfort.com/technology
Yeah. I thought about that while I was at work tonight. I know I have a CO2 detector somewhere, but for some reason it's not where I installed it in the attic many years ago after I "fixed" the furnace. Who knows? Maybe it actually went off one night and I broke it while I was drinking. I have no other explanation, and I have zero memory of where it could have gone.
It occurs to me that the attic might not be the best place for it anyhow. I can see why I would have thought that was a good idea at the time, but it would probably be better to have it in the living area where the vents are actually putting out the air instead of 3 feet away from the furnace.
Those heaters/coolers look pretty sweet. Any idea how much they run? I'm also curious if I could pick them up and install them myself somehow and save a bundle on labor since it probably shouldn't require all of the code enforcement that traditional furnaces would.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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This thread is not about Trump's competence. To bring the discussion back to its OP...
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I always wondered why Hillary gave me a big case of the willies every time she tried to be charming. Now I know why:
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Quote:There was a whole pile of information that I was waiting for, but I don't see yet.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Those definitions sound more correct. Don't know why that picture shows 125 for the middle pointer.
Most folk are not like you and me, they keep the thermostat much closer to 80. For them the 90 and 100 are fine.
For you, I would say 80 and 90.
Did you time the delay between Command On and blower fan start? This is a real world number, and the rest of this is theoretical troubleshooting.
Think of how much fuel you burned Warming up the furnace and the roof shingles, instead of the house. Most places likely don't care so much, when the furnace is in the basement. But in the attic the heat rises rule didn't help you.
I did a little test this morning before I went to bed and the results weren't good at all. (I didn't think that I just randomly picked numbers...)
I put it at 90 and 120 to start, and the results were not good at all. This might be indicative of other problems with the whole system.
The plenum just isn't hot enough at those numbers. The whole process was longer than usual, and once the temperature got to 72 the blower kept going and I was watching the temp at the thermostat go down to 69 in just a few minutes while it was still on, requiring the next process to start much quicker than it would have.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
If your fan cool down is set at 90 and is still running with output below 70, then one of the fears I had may be true. If somebody twisted that blower fan limit switch instead of moving the pointers, the sensing accuracy may be offset. Visual 90 might be actual 70. Then visual 100 might be actual 80.
I cannot tell you the answers without the information.
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Massive wind storm blew through my corner of British Columbia. Damage done, a pier in a city called White Rock was destroyed. Someone was on that pier and had to be rescued by helicopter before he wound up in the drink.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Hey there 6!
You can pick up CO (carbon monoxide) detectors at your local hardware store for pretty cheap. (Far cheaper than a new furnace.) Here's one example. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Kidde-Plug-In-Carbon-Monoxide-Detector-wit
h-AA-Battery-Backup-21027451/205423758
I got a few for various relatives' homes for x-mas a few years back because they had gas furnaces. (That's the kind of x-mas gift I tend to give. HO HO HO ...)
When it comes to furnaces ... have you looked into ductless heat pumps? They are super efficient as heaters, and then you reverse them and use them as AC in the summer. Here's one example. https://www.mitsubishicomfort.com/technology
Quote:Hi Jack
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yeah. I thought about that while I was at work tonight. I know I have a CO2 detector somewhere, but for some reason it's not where I installed it in the attic many years ago after I "fixed" the furnace. Who knows? Maybe it actually went off one night and I broke it while I was drinking. I have no other explanation, and I have zero memory of where it could have gone.
It occurs to me that the attic might not be the best place for it anyhow. I can see why I would have thought that was a good idea at the time, but it would probably be better to have it in the living area where the vents are actually putting out the air instead of 3 feet away from the furnace.
Those heaters/coolers look pretty sweet. Any idea how much they run? I'm also curious if I could pick them up and install them myself somehow and save a bundle on labor since it probably shouldn't require all of the code enforcement that traditional furnaces would.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Just a quick fyi about the monitors - I got the kind you just plug into a wall socket in any space you live in. I think one has a fair bit of leeway between when the alarms sounds (at a continuous 50ppm) and when CO reaches a dangerous level (at a continuous 70ppm). Placement doesn't look that critical.
From the Kidde website:
"For example, an alarm will sound after three and a half hours of continuous exposure at a level of 50 PPM, yet will sound after eight minutes of continuous exposure at a level of 400 PPM. Levels of carbon monoxide exposure range from low to dangerous, as described in the following list: Low level: 50 PPM and less."
"Most people will not experience any symptoms from prolonged exposure to CO levels of approximately 1 to 70 ppm but some heart patients might experience an increase in chest pain. As CO levels increase and remain above 70 ppm, symptoms become more noticeable and can include headache, fatigue and nausea."
As for the heater/AC units, I think cost depends on how many units, how big, and how complicated. When I looked at them last, a single unit that would handle a fairly large room was around $800.
Hey sorry, I'm being pestered so I need to go do something. Honest to god I can't get one post out without having to get up at least once.
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I interrupt this thread, which many reasonable folk traffic, to suggest reading my post today in the Dow thread.
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I interrupt this thread, which many reasonable folk traffic, to suggest reading my post today in the Dow thread.
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I don't really have much time to reply myself. Probably not for another few days.
All I can say is that there is good news. I got my gas/electric combo bill and it was well under $170 for the month, and it's been warm in my house. I mentioned before I feared it might be as much as $225 and was just hoping it would be under $200.
It's not an efficient system by any stretch, but these are numbers that I can live with. This bill was only about $25 more than last year and the average temp outside this month was 3 degrees cooler than it was at the same time last year.
My bro is here now. My other brother dropped him off the other night and stuck around for a while. They both commented on how it's warmer in my house than it is in his house now.
Until I get a furnace installed in the basement system, I think I'm just going to leave this all as is. I might try some fans for extra airflow, but I don't think I'll be making any other modifications. I honestly never tried having the heat up this high before since I imagined the bills would raise exponentially. Turns out that was all in my head and that it's only going to cost me about a half a night's work per month to keep the temperature comfortable around here. :)
I'll look into a CO2 detection solution to see if I'm poisoning myself too.
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Fog rolled in this afternoon and still here.
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Quote:Wow, THAT was dramatic!
Originally posted by Brenda:
Massive wind storm blew through my corner of British Columbia. Damage done, a pier in a city called White Rock was destroyed. Someone was on that pier and had to be rescued by helicopter before he wound up in the drink.
We've had high waves here too, 15 ft and more, which is unusual for the So Cal coast. One of the piers at Zuma beach was damaged, since they're not built for waves higher than 15'.
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It's been foggy here too. We had three rainstorms come in a few weeks ago and a great start to the rainy season, but nothing much lately. Long term forecast says maybe rain nine or ten days from now. It'll be interesting to see if my long term guesstimate (near-normal rainfall for the season) turns out to be good... or not!
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Have been TRYING to clear out "stuff" accumulated over twenty-five years living here, and that's in order to repaint a bunch of rooms. It's been slow going as I've been managing our health insurance transitions when hubby retired, plus his required minimum distributions, and all of the usual household stuff. And for some strange reason have been aching in every joint for the past month ... it's like the "aging clock" went on fast-forward and I turned 90 in five weeks.
But so far have managed to pile up a number of things to give away ... hey, does anyone want wire metal shelving? ... plus a bunch of recycling and SOME stuff to throw out. I just keep chipping way at it as time permits. I hope that some day, after "chipping away" at the mess, I'll look up and think Holy shit! This place looks ...better!
So have been managing with all of the aches and pains ... got the tree up, hobble around with the dog in the morning and doing the best I can.
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Been following the deep discussions of heater systems ... I learned a lot, thanks guys!
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BRENDA, I hope you stay warm.
And to my friends here at FFF.net, I wish you a Merry Christmas. I think of you warmly, and wish all the best for you for the coming year.
Here is an image from my hometown to get us all in the Christmas spirit!
MAY YOU ALL BE HAPPY, HEALTHY, AND PROSPEROUS IN THE COMING NEW YEAR.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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