Impeachment Investigation Is Underway, Judiciary Committee Says
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Schiff: Impeachment may be 'only remedy' to Trump keeping whistleblower complaint and Ukraine call private
"If the President is essentially withholding military aid at the same time that he is trying to browbeat a foreign leader into doing something illicit that is providing dirt on his opponent during a presidential campaign, then that may be the only remedy that is coequal to the evil that conduct represents," the California Democrat told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union," stopping short of calling on Congress to immediately launch proceedings.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/schiff-impeachment-may-be-only
-remedy-to-trump-keeping-whistleblower-complaint-and-ukraine-call-private/ar-AAHFQVu?ocid=spartandhp
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Good. Do it already.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Trump confesses: "Sure, I Did It. So What?" If the GOP Senators say it is not a crime for me to commit that crime, what are you going to do about it?
President Trump acknowledged on Sunday that he discussed former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. with Ukraine’s president. While Mr. Trump defended his July phone call with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine as perfectly appropriate, he confirmed that Mr. Biden came up during the discussion.
It’s pretty clear at this point that Trump realizes the truth of what happened is likely to come out. So he’s doing what he usually does: preemptively declaring that there’s nothing wrong with it and getting the entire conservative machine to publicly agree with him. I don’t know if it will work, but if Trump did what we all think he did, then he has to be impeached for one reason, only: Senators have to go on record either approving or disapproving of his conduct. Then the voters will decide if they approve of Republican Senators decriminalizing a crime when the criminal is Trump because Trump is so very loved and very special to the GOP Senators.
In case you can't recognize a crime, it is Trump using Federal money as a bribe for the President of Ukraine, who then takes down Joe Biden, Trump's rival.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/09/trump-sure-i-did-it-so-what/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Good. Do it already.
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Quote:Trump could speed the process by being his own defense lawyer. He asks Senators if an American President can talk to the Ukrainian President. The Senators will say "Yes". Trump's second question is about Foreign aid. Can an American President decide how much to give to the Ukrainian President? The answer is "Yes", again. Then Trump tells the American voters that two legal acts can never add up to one illegal act. Trump rests his case. No more questions. He declares himself innocent.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Good. Do it already.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The GOP Senators will say Trump did not "intend" to bribe Ukraine. Since Trump's heart is pure, no crime was committed, despite appearances. The GOP Senators will not prove the purity of their own hearts, claiming the people already know they are pure and good.
It will be left to voters to decide whether bribery is a crime, or not, when Trump does it to get Ukraine to destroy Trump's political enemy, Joe Biden. If Biden does not get nominated, the voters will be told by the GOP and Trump that bribery doesn't matter. The Democrats will say bribery doesn't become legal just because Trump says it doesn't matter. Around and around we go, with nothing being solved until the election in 2020.
"Reporters Should Stop Helping Donald Trump Spread Lies About Joe Biden and Ukraine"
https://theintercept.com/2019/09/22/reporters-stop-helping-donald-trum
p-spread-lies-joe-biden-ukraine/
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Since the news broke that Trump repeatedly pressed his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky, to open an investigation into Biden, while delaying $250 million in military aid to Ukraine, the president has urged reporters again and again to look instead at the viral conspiracy theory that the former vice president had admitted on camera that he blackmailed Ukraine’s former president. Put simply, there is no evidence to support the conspiracy theory that Trump and his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani want Ukraine to validate.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Fuck you. Talk to Biden about it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/01/us/politics/biden-son-ukraine.html
New York Times, the epitome of lefty trash journalism already covered it in the beginning of May.
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Biden Faces Conflict of Interest Questions That Are Being Promoted by Trump and Allies
WASHINGTON — It was a foreign policy role Joseph R. Biden Jr. enthusiastically embraced during his vice presidency: browbeating Ukraine’s notoriously corrupt government to clean up its act. And one of his most memorable performances came on a trip to Kiev in March 2016, when he threatened to withhold $1 billion in United States loan guarantees if Ukraine’s leaders did not dismiss the country’s top prosecutor, who had been accused of turning a blind eye to corruption in his own office and among the political elite.
The pressure campaign worked. The prosecutor general, long a target of criticism from other Western nations and international lenders, was soon voted out by the Ukrainian Parliament.
Among those who had a stake in the outcome was Hunter Biden, Mr. Biden’s younger son, who at the time was on the board of an energy company owned by a Ukrainian oligarch who had been in the sights of the fired prosecutor general.
Hunter Biden was a Yale-educated lawyer who had served on the boards of Amtrak and a number of nonprofit organizations and think tanks, but lacked any experience in Ukraine and just months earlier had been discharged from the Navy Reserve after testing positive for cocaine. He would be paid as much as $50,000 per month in some months for his work for the company, Burisma Holdings.
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The Wall Street Journal reports President Trump asked Ukraine's president "about eight times" to investigate Joe Biden's son.
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The Wall Street Journal reports that in a July phone call, President Trump repeatedly pressured the president of Ukraine to work with Rudy Giuliani and investigate Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden's son
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Please. On behalf of President Trump, keep talking about impeachment. Keep talking about Ukraine. Keep letting AOC talk out of turn.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_app
roval-6179.html
RCP average has Trump at 44.7% now.
Obama's approval rating on September 23rd, 2011 was 43.3%.
Once again, this is the aggregate of all polls. Not just the singular Rasmussen poll.
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Quote:All you have proved, 6ix, is that 44.7% of Americans deserve to be in the lower 50% of wealth. They are in the bottom half because they make bad decisions all the time and their approval of Trump is just another one of those decisions. As far as I'm concerned, Trump can stay around long enough to become the next Herbert Hoover, who crashed the American economy so badly that the Democrats took control away from the Republicans for the next 30 years. If Trump manages to crash the economy, I will buy foreclosure real estate and the S&P 500 at a HUGE discount and wait for the markets to recover. If there is no crash, that is good for me, too.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Please. On behalf of President Trump, keep talking about impeachment. Keep talking about Ukraine. Keep letting AOC talk out of turn.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_app
roval-6179.html
RCP average has Trump at 44.7% now.
Obama's approval rating on September 23rd, 2011 was 43.3%.
Once again, this is the aggregate of all polls. Not just the singular Rasmussen poll.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:I like this quote because I think Republicans are evolving themselves out of existence with their choices:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
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Jerry Rose, a dental anthropologist and professor emeritus at the University of Arkansas, warned that a whole generation could be impacted if we don’t change course. “In evolution, there are winners and losers,” Rose said. We have to adapt, and adapt quickly, to our changing physiology — or risk the consequences.
“There are groups of people who simply went the wrong way,” Rose said. “And then they’re gone.” In my opinion, it can't happen soon enough with the Trump lovers I know. They are killing themselves faster and faster, but I wish they would hurry it even more.
"Our Skulls Are Out-Evolving Us"
A motley crew of scientists argue that our ever-shrinking skulls are wreaking havoc on our well-being
https://onezero.medium.com/our-skulls-are-out-evolving-us-and-that-cou
ld-mean-a-public-health-crisis-f950faed696d
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Giuliani: Yeah, Maybe Trump Threatened Aid to Ukraine
To no one’s surprise, yet another shoe dropped today in Ukrainegate.
Donald Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani didn’t rule out the possibility that the president threatened to cut off aid to Ukraine over calls for an investigation into largely discredited allegations against former Vice President Joe Biden and his son. Giuliani first said in response to a question on Fox Business Monday that Trump didn’t threaten Ukraine aid, but then added he “can’t say for 100%.”
So here’s where we are:
Phase 1: Nothing happened.
Phase 2: It doesn’t matter what I said.
Phase 3: I may have mentioned Biden.
Phase 4: It’s possible the president threatened to cut off aid to Ukraine.
The goal here is to admit to an impeachable act, but to do it slowly enough that each revelation isn’t quite enough to cause Trump’s supporters to bolt. Then, by the time the whole story is out, they’ve already defended pretty much every detail and have no choice but to stay on his side. And with that, Trump has successfully shot someone on Fifth Avenue and gotten away with it.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/09/giuliani-yeah-maybe-trump-threa
tened-aid-to-ukraine/
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Please put my post in the 'predictions' thread
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62972&p=1
PREDICTIONS THREAD (v.2)
I predict that this teapot-tempest will be quietly swept away by the m$m because of non-conforming evidence, and because pursuing it too vigorously will rip the scab off of the Biden rot, exposing it for all to see.
... the Washington Post quietly reported on Friday evening that a July 25 phone call between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky did not contain an explicit quid pro quo if Ukraine launched an investigation into former Vice President Joe Biden's son as initially reported.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-pressed-ukraini
an-leader-to-investigate-bidens-son-according-to-people-familiar-with-the-matter/2019/09/20/7fa39b20-dbdc-11e9-bfb1-849887369476_story.html
“And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
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Former Ohio Gov. John Kasich got heated over allegations that President Donald Trump is pressuring Ukraine to help him win an election, noting the GOP would freak out if Barack Obama did the same.
“If in fact the president of the United States pressured a leader of another country to investigate his political opponent, if in fact military aid was withheld, now we’ll have to decide where we go from there, but we have to gather all these facts and information,” Kasich told CNN anchor Kate Bolduan on At This Hour. “I don’t want to get ahead of myself but I am very, very, very concerned about what is happening here. If we don’t deal with this, we become like a banana republic. ”
“Where are the Republicans? Are they hiding? If I were you at CNN, I’d be in the hallway asking all of them what are you going to say?” he continued.
Bolduan noted Republicans have been invited on CNN to talk about it and many have declined.
“I guess the Republicans are dismissing it in the House but you got to think about this from a precedent standpoint. Let me ask this question, not ask you but ask our viewers,” Kasich said. “If Barack Obama had made calls like this, people would be going crazy. Now, if the Democrats had done things in the past that were wrong, OK fine, but that doesn’t have anything to do with this. This has to do with where we are today and things are slipping and sliding and I am worried about our country.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/john-kasich-is-livid-about-ukr
aine-if-obama-had-made-calls-like-this-people-would-be-going-crazy/ar-AAHJd2U?ocid=spartandhp
Unfortunately all the Trump supports here are trolls and could care less. After the 2020 elections and Trump is gone, if the democratic president so much as sneezes, they'll be yelling from the rooftops. The rest of us will be laughing at their hypocrisy of course. Even then best we don't acknowledge them but instead do as I do now. Continue to post around them instead of with them.
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Quote:???
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
What was the Resolution number which started this Impeachment Investigation?
The House Resolution number, or the Judiciary Committee Resolution number?
It must have been 26 July or sooner, since this thread announced it on that day.
Crickets??
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Ukraine Minister Denies Trump Put Pressure on Zelinskiy During Call. Reuters. Look it up
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Wow talk about key bounce!
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Former Ohio Gov. John Kasich got heated over allegations that President Donald Trump is pressuring Ukraine to help him win an election, noting the GOP would freak out if Barack Obama did the same.
“If in fact the president of the United States pressured a leader of another country to investigate his political opponent, if in fact military aid was withheld, now we’ll have to decide where we go from there, but we have to gather all these facts and information,” Kasich told CNN anchor Kate Bolduan on At This Hour. “I don’t want to get ahead of myself but I am very, very, very concerned about what is happening here. If we don’t deal with this, we become like a banana republic. ”
“Where are the Republicans? Are they hiding? If I were you at CNN, I’d be in the hallway asking all of them what are you going to say?” he continued.
Bolduan noted Republicans have been invited on CNN to talk about it and many have declined.
“I guess the Republicans are dismissing it in the House but you got to think about this from a precedent standpoint. Let me ask this question, not ask you but ask our viewers,” Kasich said. “If Barack Obama had made calls like this, people would be going crazy. Now, if the Democrats had done things in the past that were wrong, OK fine, but that doesn’t have anything to do with this. This has to do with where we are today and things are slipping and sliding and I am worried about our country.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/john-kasich-is-livid-about-ukr
aine-if-obama-had-made-calls-like-this-people-would-be-going-crazy/ar-AAHJd2U?ocid=spartandhp
Unfortunately all the Trump supports here are trolls and could care less. After the 2020 elections and Trump is gone, if the democratic president so much as sneezes, they'll be yelling from the rooftops. The rest of us will be laughing at their hypocrisy of course. Even then best we don't acknowledge them but instead do as I do now. Continue to post around them instead of with them.
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Originally posted by THG:
allegations
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Meanwhile
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Joe Biden Brags about getting Ukranian Prosecutor Fired
If the prosecutor's not fired you're not getting the money"
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Giuliani can't say 100 percent Trump didn't threaten Ukraine aid
Rudy Giuliani on Monday said that he can't say for certain that Trump didn't threaten Ukraine aid when he spoke to that country's president about an investigation into former Vice President Joe Biden's son.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/giuliani-cant-say-100-percent-
trump-didnt-threaten-ukraine-aid/ar-AAHIRPw?ocid=spartanntp
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Mr. Biden, as vice president, did call for the ouster of the former Ukrainian prosecutor general as part of a broader effort by anticorruption investigators, European diplomats, U.S. allies and the U.S. State Department to overhaul a prosecutor’s office widely viewed as corrupt. A Ukrainian official said this year that he had no evidence of wrongdoing by Joe or Hunter Biden.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-says-he-discussed-biden-in-call-wit
h-ukraines-president-11569177685
In other words folks we and the rest of the world were insisting corrupt officials that Putin put in place had to go and Biden said so. Everybody wanted the prosecutor out.
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Quote:To make Signym's short story long and to remind us that Signym is full of shit:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
MeanwhileQuote:
Joe Biden Brags about getting Ukranian Prosecutor Fired
If the prosecutor's not fired you're not getting the money"
It has become an article of faith among Trump supporters that Biden got the chief prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, dismissed to derail a corruption investigation of a Ukrainian firm his son was paid to advise.
But journalists at leading American news organizations — including CNN, the New York Times, Politico, ABC News, and MSNBC — have helped weaponize this disinformation by repeating the baseless smear over and over, without promptly and accurately conveying that Trump and Giuliani are lying about what the former vice president did in Ukraine. So lies and misinformation have been broadcast nationwide, reaching millions of people who will never read subsequent fact checks debunking them.
This began in May, when Giuliani’s embrace of the conspiracy theory was reported on the front page of the Times, in an article that forced readers to wait until the 19th paragraph to find out that “No evidence has surfaced that the former vice president intentionally tried to help his son by pressing for the prosecutor general’s dismissal.” Even so, the Times politics reporter who interviewed Giuliani, Ken Vogel, claimed on Twitter that this meant “The BIDENS are entangled in a Ukrainian corruption scandal.”
As I reported at the time, the truth is not that hard to determine. There is little doubt that Biden’s son Hunter did benefit from his father’s position by securing a spot on the board of a Ukrainian natural gas company in 2014, a legal but ethically dubious move. But when Joe Biden subsequently conveyed a threat from the Obama administration to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees to Ukraine unless the chief prosecutor was dismissed, his intervention made it more rather than less likely that the oligarch who paid his son would be subject to prosecution for corruption.
That’s because one of the most prominent cases of official corruption that Shokin had failed to pursue was against a former environment and natural resources minister, Mykola Zlochevsky, who had oversight of all Ukrainian energy firms, including the largest independent gas company, Burisma, which he secretly controlled through shell companies in Cyprus. After Zlochevsky was forced from office in 2014 — in the popular uprising that toppled a pro-Russian president, Viktor Yanukovych, and forced his political adviser, Paul Manafort, to look elsewhere for work — Burisma appointed Hunter Biden to its board.
Shokin’s reluctance to pursue Zlochevsky was loudly condemned by the Obama administration shortly before Biden traveled to Ukraine at the end of 2015. In a speech to the Odessa Financial Forum that September, U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt complained that the chief prosecutor’s office had “undermined prosecutors working on legitimate corruption cases,” like, for example, “the case of former Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevsky.”
“Shokin was fired,” the executive director of Ukraine’s Anti-Corruption Action Center, Daria Kaleniuk, told me in May, “because he failed to do investigations of corruption and economic crimes of President Yanukovych and his close associates, including Zlochevsky, and basically it was the big demand within society in Ukraine, including our organization and many other organizations, to get rid of this guy.”
Despite the debunking of this conspiracy theory by The Intercept and other news outlets when Giuliani first raised it in May, the president’s lawyer was invited on CNN this week and allowed, over the course of 20 minutes on national television, to make a series of false claims about Biden and Ukraine, uncorrected by the host, Chris Cuomo, who admitted that he had almost no knowledge of the facts of the case.
https://theintercept.com/2019/09/22/reporters-stop-helping-donald-trum
p-spread-lies-joe-biden-ukraine/
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So Biden bragging that he got the prosecutor fired was just ... a Trumpian tall tale?
Empty words?
Lies?
Hmmm... either way, that's a problem, especially for people who believe that politicians who lie should be impeached.
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How's that impeachment investigation going folks?
I see you're just trying to throw everything against the wall and see if something finally sticks.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So Biden bragging that he got the prosecutor fired was just ... a Trumpian tall tale?
Empty words?
Lies?
Hmmm... either way, that's a problem, especially for people who believe that politicians who lie should be impeached.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY
To be fair to Biden, "We came. We saw. He was fired." is a tad more sane than the last broad that ran for the Democrats.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Nobody believes that, Signym, except babies. But many people believe that politicians who are crooks, idiots, and rapists should be impeached. Trump is all three.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So Biden bragging that he got the prosecutor fired was just ... a Trumpian tall tale?
Empty words?
Lies?
Hmmm... either way, that's a problem, especially for people who believe that politicians who lie should be impeached.
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63004&mid=1073399#
1073399
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Quote:So you say.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So Biden bragging that he got the prosecutor fired was just ... a Trumpian tall tale?
Empty words?
Lies?
Hmmm... either way, that's a problem, especially for people who believe that politicians who lie should be impeached. SIGNY
Nobody believes that, Signym, except babies. But many people believe that politicians who are crooks, idiots, and rapists should be impeached. Trump is all three.- SECOND
I'm with SIX on this- so impeach already. -----------
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SECOND just can't take yes for an answer.
The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/rinse/spin/repeat/ cycle they mistake for reality.
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Quote:It does not work that way. All the GOP Senators have insisted that they won't convict Trump. They are family. If you were a prosecutor, you would not go to trial if the defendant's relatives were on the jury and also the judge, the bailiff, and most of the witnesses. I'll give you an example how that "family" relationship works between Trump and Mitch McConnell, who has already revealed his vote on Trump's innocence :
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:So you say.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So Biden bragging that he got the prosecutor fired was just ... a Trumpian tall tale?
Empty words?
Lies?
Hmmm... either way, that's a problem, especially for people who believe that politicians who lie should be impeached. SIGNY
Nobody believes that, Signym, except babies. But many people believe that politicians who are crooks, idiots, and rapists should be impeached. Trump is all three.- SECOND
President Trump told his acting chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, to hold back almost $400 million in military aid for Ukraine at least a week before a phone call in which Trump is said to have pressured the Ukrainian president to investigate the son of former vice president Joe Biden, according to three senior administration officials.
Administration officials were instructed to tell lawmakers that the delays were part of an “interagency process” but to give them no additional information — a pattern that continued for nearly two months, until the White House released the funds on the night of Sept. 11.
In short: as part of an attempt to extort a foreign country, Trump withheld military aid from them and then lied to Congress about why he was doing it.
Mitch McConnell, naturally, was saddened that Democrats were trying to “politicize” the matter. That is just McConnell sending a message to the voters in Kentucky about how innocent Trump is.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/09/the-timeline-tightens-around-tr
ump/
A trial is foolish unless every single GOP Senator takes a public oath that they would convict Trump and that they have not prejudged him as innocent and unimpeachable. Every Senator needs to swear it AND make it well known to their voters back in their home states. But there will be NO Republican Senator who will swear that oath, because their voters have already decided Trump is perfectly innocent.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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We see again second that sig twists what you've said into another lie. It's what trolls do.
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Trump ordered hold on military aid days before calling Ukrainian president, officials say
Trump told his acting chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, to hold back almost $400 million in military aid for Ukraine at least a week before a phone call in which Trump is said to have pressured the Ukrainian president to investigate the son of former vice president Joe Biden, according to three senior administration officials.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-ordered-hold-on-military
-aid-days-before-calling-ukrainian-president-officials-say/ar-AAHJWJb?ocid=spartandhp
tick tock
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Second: "We need to impeach Trump!"
Also Second: "We can't impeach Trump!"
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:I will tell you an ugly secret of mine: I don't think Trump has, yet, been a bad enough employee to fire. Bad in the way Nixon bombed Cambodia and Laos, secretly. But if Trump keeps believing he can't be fired because he is family for most of the Senate, since most Senators keep telling him they would never fire him, he will never stop being a fat, lazy, rude employee. I'd love to see the Senate scare Trump into losing 50 pounds and actually working a 40 hour week, even if the Senate does not replace Trump with Pence.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Second: "We need to impeach Trump!"
Also Second: "We can't impeach Trump!"
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm with SIX on this- so impeach already.
I'm with Sicks and Smegma - Impeach the POS already! I don't care about senators and "It won't work - the math is against it." Expose all of his crap publicly AGAIN, take your time, "paid off hookers, lied about Russia, campaign finance, fraud, abuse of power, 32,000 lies... on and on" it will be good for Dems to look like they are in a position of dominance over that fwad. Make him sit in a chair, all alone, in front of a camera, and try and defend himself. He will hang himself with his own words. And not being complete pussies for a change will be good for the Dems.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:I will tell you an ugly secret of mine: I don't think Trump has, yet, been a bad enough employee to fire. Bad in the way Nixon bombed Cambodia and Laos, secretly. But if Trump keeps believing he can't be fired because he is family for most of the Senate, since most Senators keep telling him they would never fire him, he will never stop being a fat, lazy, rude employee. I'd love to see the Senate scare Trump into losing 50 pounds and actually working a 40 hour week, even if the Senate does not replace Trump with Pence.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Second: "We need to impeach Trump!"
Also Second: "We can't impeach Trump!"
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He hasn't been a bad enough employee to fire?
The MSM has been telling us for 3 years that he has committed treason.
They've also told us he's a racist that grabs pussy.
You've told us yourself you've fired half of your people because they're not Democrat.
Or have you already forgotten all of that?
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Quote:Very clearly, a majority of voters do not care about those three points, therefore GOP Senators don't care, either. To care would get themselves voted out of office. But one thing GOP Senators should care about is that tax cheating increases the National Debt by $500 billion per year. You might not be aware, but the upper income brackets can cheat all they feel they can get away with. Trump is showing the rich how easy the system is to cheat. The Senate should make an example of Trump, and change how other rich men feel about cheating, by showing that either Trump is a very conscientious tax payer who does not cheat (ha-ha-ha!), or forcing a tax cheating Trump to pay all his taxes. The Senate has to force Trump to reveal his tax returns.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
He hasn't been a bad enough employee to fire?
The MSM has been telling us for 3 years that he has committed treason.
They've also told us he's a racist that grabs pussy.
You've told us yourself you've fired half of your people because they're not Democrat.
Or have you already forgotten all of that?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Oh right. How could I forget. He cheated on his taxes too.
I'm down with going after Trump for his taxes.
So long as we go after every current and prior politician for their taxes as well.
Let the chips fall where they may.
My guess is there wouldn't be anybody left to govern.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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And they don't care about those THREE points?
One of those "points" is how you're an asshole and a terrible boss.
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Quote:Those Trump lovers I fired? One was stealing diesel. One was stealing power tools. One was embezzling. All three claimed moral superiority to any Democrat. Catching them was expensive for me. I could have saved money by simply firing them without all the investigation, since only crooks would loudly defend and praise a crook like Trump. Once they were gone, business runs so much smoother. Trump lovers think they are the salt of the earth, but they are really the sand in the gears.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And they don't care about those THREE points?
One of those "points" is how you're an asshole and a terrible boss.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Getting back to Mister Sand-In-the-Gears: President Trump said Tuesday that he held up American aid to Ukraine because European countries have not paid their fair share to support the Ukraine, and pointed to the fact that the American money was eventually released as evidence that he had done nothing wrong.
Trump is full of shit about "fair share". For the record, the European Union paid more than €15 billion in grants and loans to support the reform process in Ukraine since 2014. This includes €500 million disbursed late last year for 2019. This compares to US aid of about $1.2 billion over the same period plus about $1 billion in military aid. In other words, the EU has already provided Ukraine with about eight times as much aid as the US over the past five years and will provide more than the US in 2019 as well.
Trump has now fessed up to everything: he did hold up the aid to Ukraine and he did ask Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden and his son. But he had reasons! He held up the aid because of the cheapskate Europeans (who are actually very generous) and he asked for the investigation because he was very worried about political corruption in the US (Sure, nothing to do with Trump reelecting Trump).
All the pieces are in place. All we need now is the whistleblower complaint, a transcipt of the phone call, and all the evidence underlying them. Should be a piece of cake since Trump obviously has nothing to hide.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/09/trump-admits-to-holding-up-ukra
ine-aid/
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Originally posted by second:
Trump has now fessed up to everything: he did hold up the aid to Ukraine and he did ask Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden and his son. But he had reasons! He held up the aid because of the cheapskate Europeans (who are actually very generous) and he asked for the investigation because he was very worried about political corruption in the US (Sure, nothing to do with Trump reelecting Trump).
All the pieces are in place. All we need now is the whistleblower complaint, a transcipt of the phone call, and all the evidence underlying them. Should be a piece of cake since Trump obviously has nothing to hide.
I think the GOP approach to Trump is pretty smart: they are essentially ignoring him and what he says and even does. Even they can't find good things to say about him. Instead, they focus their efforts on vilifying Democrats. AOC, Clinton, Obama, the usual tropes and bs. And judging from this place, it's working just great.
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Quote:Poor SECOND. NOBODY listens to his little gems of wisdom.
Originally posted by SECOND:
I will tell you an ugly secret of mine: I don't think Trump has, yet, been a bad enough employee to fire.
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Pelosi to announce formal impeachment inquiry of Trump
The announcement later today from Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) comes amid reports that President Trump may have pressured a foreign leader to investigate former vice president and potential 2020 campaign rival Joe Biden and his family.
By Rachael Bade and Mike DeBonis1 hour ago
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/pelosi-top-democrats-privatel
y-discuss-creation-of-select-committee-for-impeachment/2019/09/24/af6f735a-dedf-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html
The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/rinse/spin/repeat/ cycle they mistake for reality.
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Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm with SIX on this- so impeach already.
I'm with Sicks and Smegma - Impeach the POS already! I don't care about senators and "It won't work - the math is against it." Expose all of his crap publicly AGAIN, take your time, "paid off hookers, lied about Russia, campaign finance, fraud, abuse of power, 32,000 lies... on and on" it will be good for Dems to look like they are in a position of dominance over that fwad. Make him sit in a chair, all alone, in front of a camera, and try and defend himself. He will hang himself with his own words. And not being complete pussies for a change will be good for the Dems.
Don't blink G. I'm pretty sure the impeachment inquiry becomes official today.
tick tock
T
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And despite THUGGER's premature ejaculation of HALLELUJAH! "Impeachment Investigation Is Underway, Judiciary Committee Says" Friday, July 26, 2019 5:52 PM, it will not REALLY start until the House votes on it (and in this case, the dems will carry it).
tic tac
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I'm guessing this will be timed to not implode until after the elections.
tic tac
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Originally posted by THG:
Don't blink G. I'm pretty sure the impeachment inquiry becomes official today.
tick tock
Thank the godz, the old and the new. I think our stock - the USA - just went up in the rest of the world as well (except Russia!).
I really don't care if this goes the way Clinton's did, and he stays in office and Reps win more seats and he wins another 4 years. Nothing grinds my gears like people (Dems) who convince themselves to sit on their hands and do nothing.
Having said that I'd be happy to see him self emulate on national tv.
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Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Don't blink G. I'm pretty sure the impeachment inquiry becomes official today.
tick tock
Thank the godz, the old and the new. I think our stock - the USA - just went up in the rest of the world as well (except Russia!).
I really don't care if this goes the way Clinton's did, and he stays in office and Reps win more seats and he wins another 4 years. Nothing grinds my gears like people (Dems) who convince themselves to sit on their hands and do nothing.
Having said that I'd be happy to see him self emulate on national tv.
They better get results G. No pussy footing around.
T
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Quote:The word you're looking for is "immolate" ... to burn up.
emulate
[/snark]
Actually, I think Trump just sprung a trap.
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Quote:Well, Nancy Pelosi has given us our formal impeachment inquiry. And the Senate has voted unanimously to ask the Director of National Intelligence to hand over the whistleblower complaint. The official response from Donald Trump is “PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT!” The official response from the Trumpbot crowd is that Hunter Biden is the real scandal. The official response from the more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger crowd is that we’d all be taking this a lot more seriously if Democrats hadn’t been so mean to Trump all along.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:Poor SECOND. NOBODY listens to his little gems of wisdom.
Originally posted by SECOND:
I will tell you an ugly secret of mine: I don't think Trump has, yet, been a bad enough employee to fire.Quote:
Pelosi to announce formal impeachment inquiry of Trump
The announcement later today from Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) comes amid reports that President Trump may have pressured a foreign leader to investigate former vice president and potential 2020 campaign rival Joe Biden and his family.
By Rachael Bade and Mike DeBonis1 hour ago
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/pelosi-top-democrats-privatel
y-discuss-creation-of-select-committee-for-impeachment/2019/09/24/af6f735a-dedf-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html
On a side note, this should make it easier for Congress to subpoena Trump’s tax returns, shouldn’t it? The Treasury Department has been arguing that Congress doesn’t really have any legislative purpose behind the request, but an impeachment inquiry is unquestionably a legislative purpose. It’s hard to see how they can hold out much longer, or how a court could rule in their favor.
What will Trump's overdue tax bill eventually be? $5 million? $5 billion? He will have some explaining to do.
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Originally posted by second:
On a side note, this should make it easier for Congress to subpoena Trump’s tax returns, shouldn’t it? The Treasury Department has been arguing that Congress doesn’t really have any legislative purpose behind the request, but an impeachment inquiry is unquestionably a legislative purpose. It’s hard to see how they can hold out much longer, or how a court could rule in their favor.
What will Trump's overdue tax bill eventually be? $5 million? $5 billion? He will have some explaining to do.
This is what I am hoping. So much of his actions can and are being rationalized out to his base as "taking a stand" because they don't understand the implications of the things he's doing. Numbers don't lie. You can only whitewash them for so long until something somewhere doesn't add up. Numbers are hard facts.
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Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
Having said that I'd be happy to see him self emulate on national tv.
Holy shit what a grammatical cluster fuck of a sentence. I won't even get started on that.
Speaking of emulation though, what I'd like to see at least one Democrat candidate in the debates emulate is somebody who isn't mentally deranged and/or a communist.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Holy shit what a grammatical cluster fuck of a sentence. I won't even get started on that.
Shall we discuss all the things that are wrong with YOUR comment, hypocrite??
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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Holy shit what a grammatical cluster fuck of a sentence. I won't even get started on that.
Shall we discuss all the things that are wrong with YOUR comment, hypocrite??
By all means...
I quite enjoy making dummies look like dummies.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Actually, I think Trump just sprung a trap.
Because you are too mind-fucked to understand that blackmailing the leader of another country is an abuse of power??
What am I talking about??? OF COURSE you support abuses of power... Silly me!
Putin IS the new Hitler. Get ready to lock and load!
On August 11, 2019 Signym asked "What have Nazis DONE TO ANYONE?" That question wins first place for the Dumbest Question Ever Asked On The Internet.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Holy shit what a grammatical cluster fuck of a sentence. I won't even get started on that.
Holy shit [COMMA NEEDED] what a grammatical cluster fuck of a sentence [EXCLAMATION MARK NEEDED, AS THE SENTENCE BEGINS WITH AN EXCLAMATION].
"I won't even get started on that" would mean that you did not get started on that when you already have in the previous sentence. Especially when Sig already pointed out the mistake you are just jumping on the bandwagon in a seriously pathetic attempt to look smart, or just to run down CC. That is not necessary, as we are not under any delusions that you HAVE intelligence.
Everyone makes grammatical errors, but jumping all over other people's mistakes only serves to show how insecure and desperate for approval you are.
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What G is saying is that he would like to see Trump be Trump while testifying before congress. Why, because he will commit perjury over and over again.
T
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Quote:Says the woman who just HAS to point out punctuation "errors"!
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Holy shit what a grammatical cluster fuck of a sentence. I won't even get started on that.
Holy shit [COMMA NEEDED] what a grammatical cluster fuck of a sentence [EXCLAMATION MARK NEEDED, AS THE SENTENCE BEGINS WITH AN EXCLAMATION].
"I won't even get started on that" would mean that you did not get started on that when you already have in the previous sentence. Especially when Sig already pointed out the mistake you are just jumping on the bandwagon in a seriously pathetic attempt to look smart, or just to run down CC. That is not necessary, as we are not under any delusions that you HAVE intelligence.
Everyone makes grammatical errors, but jumping all over other people's mistakes only serves to show how insecure and desperate for approval you are.
WISHY, you're nothing if not predictable. You accuse people of being authoritarians while being authoritarian, you accuse people of being racist while being a racist, you accuse people of being haters while being a hater, and now ...
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Holy shit what a grammatical cluster fuck of a sentence. I won't even get started on that.
Holy shit [COMMA NEEDED] what a grammatical cluster fuck of a sentence [EXCLAMATION MARK NEEDED, AS THE SENTENCE BEGINS WITH AN EXCLAMATION].
"I won't even get started on that" would mean that you did not get started on that when you already have in the previous sentence. Especially when Sig already pointed out the mistake you are just jumping on the bandwagon in a seriously pathetic attempt to look smart, or just to run down CC. That is not necessary, as we are not under any delusions that you HAVE intelligence.
Everyone makes grammatical errors, but jumping all over other people's mistakes only serves to show how insecure and desperate for approval you are.
lol. Nah. My sentence was fine. Fuck punctuation.
Captain not only misused emulate, to hilarious effect, but used "him self" for himself, when himself didn't even fit in that sentence in the first place. It looked like a fucking kindergartner wrote that.
It's important to point these things out, because these supposedly college educated smart people who vote Democrat frequently are the ones who can't string a sentence together. T does writes garbage sentences like this all the time too.
Glad to see you back Wishy. See the vacation didn't cure you of The Bitch.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol. Nah. My sentence was fine. Fuck punctuation.
Glad to see you back Wishy. See the vacation didn't cure you of The Bitch.
Yep, you are the living breathing embodiment of a TrumpTard. Punctuation rules are only for other people, covfefe.
I didn't go on vacation, I WAS BUSY.
Got the last of the sheet metal roof on, put the guttering on, and put two support poles and a hammock up. All I have left is putting sealant in the gutter.
How's your porch doing? Still limp?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Says the woman who just HAS to point out punctuation "errors"!
WISHY, you're nothing if not predictable.
Hey, he TOLD ME to bring it. Otherwise, it's a pussy move to whine about spelling or grammar to begin with. A normal person would have just said "Did you mean do say immolate instead of emulate?" You, 6ix, and JSF just can't wait to masturbate over someone else's mistakes, though.
But what do you expect from people who have low E.Q.??
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Quote:He did?
Hey, he TOLD ME to bring it-WISHY
Jeez. WISHY, how old are you? FIVE???
Quote:THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT OF UKRAINE SAYS THAT TRUMP DID NOT PRESSURE THEM.
Actually, I think Trump just sprung a trap.- SIGNY
Because you are too mind-fucked to understand that blackmailing the leader of another country is an abuse of power?? What am I talking about??? OF COURSE you support abuses of power... Silly me!
Did you miss that fact?
OF COURSE YOU, DID!
However, it's very clear that BIDEN bragged that he got the Ukrainian government to fire it's chief prosecutor (who was investigating his son). Bragged about it on video, even, this isn't just an allegation from a biased "whistleblower" who didn't even hear the original conversation. Biden said ... and I quote ...
Quote:
If the prosecutor's not fired you're not getting the money"
Why aren't you howling about THAT?
See? You're so predictable! You're a stupid, authoritrian, racist, sexist, hate-filled hypocrite! Emphasis is on stupid, because if you weren't such a backbirth you might be interested in improving yourself. But you know what they say: The stupider a person is, the smarter they think they are.
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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
How's your porch doing? Still limp?
Nope.
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transcript of call
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MEMORANDUM OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION
SUBJECT: Telephone Conversation with President Zelenskyy of Ukraine
PARTICIPANTS: President Zelenskyy of Ukraine
Notetakers: The White House Situation·Room
DATE, TIME July 25, 2019, 9:03 - 9:33 a.m. EDT
AND PLACE: Residence
The President: Congratulations on a great victory. We all watched from the United States and you did a terrific job. The way you came from behind, somebody who wasn't given much of a chance, and you ended up winning easily. It's a fantastic achievement. Congratulations.
President Zelenskyy: You are absolutely right Mr. President. We did win big and we worked hard for this. We worked a lot but I would like to confess to you that I had an opportunity to learn from you. We used quite a few of your skills and knowledge and were able to use it as an example for our elections and yes it is true that these were unique elections. We were in a unique situation that we were able to achieve a unique success. I'm able to tell you the following; the first time, you called me to congratulate me when I won my presidential election, and the second time you are now calling me when my party won the parliamentary election. I think I should run more often so you can call me more often and we can talk over the phone more often.
The President: [laughter] That's a very good idea. I think your country is very happy about that.
President Zelenskyy: Well yes, to tell you the truth, we are trying to work hard because we wanted to drain the swamp here in our country. We brought in many many new people. Not the old politicians, not the typical politicians, because we want to have a new format and a new type of government. You are a great teacher for us and in that.
The President: Well it's very nice of you to say that. I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine. We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time. Much more than the European countries are doing and they should be helping you more than they are. Germany does almost nothing for you. All they do is talk and I think it's something that you should really ask them about. When I was speaking to Angela Merkel she talks Ukraine, but she doesn't do anything. A lot of the European countries are the same way so I think it's something you want to look at but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine.
President Zelenskyy: Yes you are absolutely right. Not only 100%, but actually 100% and I can tell you the following; I did talk to Angela Merkel and I did meet with her. I also met and talked with Macron and I told them that they are not doing quite as much as they need to be doing on the issues with the sanctions. They are not enforcing the sanctions. They are not working as much as they should work for Ukraine. It turns out that even though logically, the European Union should be our biggest partner but technically the United States is a much bigger partner than the European Union and I'm very grateful to you for that because the United States is doing quite a lot for Ukraine. Much more than the European Union, especially when we are talking about sanctions against the Russian Federation. I would also like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.
The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:The word you're looking for is "immolate" ... to burn up.
emulate
[/snark]
Actually, the word I'm looking for is, "petty." Thanks for reminding me.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
transcript of call...
It's not the transcript we're looking for. It's more of a summary - it even says so, "not a verbatim transcript." Try again.
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DumbAss6 you really should do a youtube channel:
"Holy shit what a grammatical cluster fuck of a sentence."
"My sentence was fine. Fuck punctuation."
Really, ^that is comedy gold. It's as if you meant to make yourself look really stupid.
Then you go one to make yourself looking even worse:
"Captain not only misused emulate, to hilarious effect, but used "him self" for himself, when himself didn't even fit in that sentence in the first place."
You are right and wrong as only you can be. I misspelled immolate, but "him self" was not supposed to be himself as you said. It was as T suggested, self-immolation. Totally my bad though. I left out scraps too easy for you and SIGNY to ignore, like waving glitter in front of children, they just can't resist.
But wait! There's more! Your ability to make yourself look like a complete stooge is unrivaled on this forum. Witness your follow-up as you try and put T's grammar down:
Six: "T does writes garbage sentences [clank!] like this all the time too."
"does writes" ????
Talk about a train wreck of a sentence.
Wish had the last and best word. Sig makes so many spelling mistakes lately it's a wonder if her meds need to be upped. And as you have proven many times, we all make grammar and spelling mistakes. If you stoop to point them out it's because you have nothing worth saying, or are a just complete @sshole.
Maybe it's the Trump setting-himself-on-fire thing that's got you all flustered? Or did you hurt yourself at work again?
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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Holy shit [COMMA NEEDED] what a grammatical cluster fuck of a sentence [EXCLAMATION MARK NEEDED, AS THE SENTENCE BEGINS WITH AN EXCLAMATION].
"I won't even get started on that" would mean that you did not get started on that when you already have in the previous sentence. Especially when Sig already pointed out the mistake you are just jumping on the bandwagon in a seriously pathetic attempt to look smart, or just to run down CC. That is not necessary, as we are not under any delusions that you HAVE intelligence.
Everyone makes grammatical errors, but jumping all over other people's mistakes only serves to show how insecure and desperate for approval you are.
On point and way over their heads. But we both know there's no understanding being attempted by that crew. Or the GOP, or any Trump boot licker.
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Trump is playing you stooges like a fiddle.
I'm doing great on the work I need to do.
You're the one has not evolved in 3 years and continues to blame all of his problems on Trump.
And by "fuck punctuation" I meant to tell Wishy to fuck her comma. She was wrong, but I'm not getting into an English lesson with her. She couldn't be bothered to learn how to write in grade school. I'm not doing the work for free.
Your sentence was stupid, to the point of being entirely unreadable. You misused himself, no matter which way you spin it. You're so far on the spectrum it's hard to even have a legitimate conversation with you.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
MEMORANDUM OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION
There are many flaming red flags in this summary... but real quick, this one catches my eye:
Trump: "...Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved."
Trump using one of his standard, oft repeated fabrications (lies): "A lot of people are talking about that..." total bullsh*t.
The funny thing is he's talking about a Ukrainian prosecutor that was Putin's guy. One that many in the US wanted to get rid of. Lots of people are talking about that.
But even funnier is as Zelensky wastes no time letting Trump know they're going to jettison Putin's puppet:
President Zelensky: "I wanted to tell you about the prosecutor. First of all, I understand and I'm knowledgeable about the situation. Since we have won the absolute majority in our Parliament, the next prosecutor general will be 100% my person, my candidate, who will be approved by the parliament and will start as a new prosecutor in September."
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You're so far on the spectrum it's hard to even have a legitimate conversation with you.
"You're so far on the spectrum...???" Did you leave out a word?
What problems of mine am I blaming on Trump? Unlike you, I rarely ever talk about myself, so I'm stumped as to which problems of mine you think I've said were Trump's fault. Curious.
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Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You're so far on the spectrum it's hard to even have a legitimate conversation with you.
"You're so far on the spectrum...???" Did you leave out a word?
Nope.
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What problems of mine am I blaming on Trump? Unlike you, I rarely ever talk about myself, so I'm stumped as to which problems of mine you think I've said were Trump's fault. Curious.
Then what do you give a fuck?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Zelenskiy, the current President of Ukraine and the main person on the other end of the phone call, said "Nobody can pressure me except my six year old son"
My phone doesn't copy urls but feel free to look it up.
Like I said, I think Trump sprung a trap.
And what makes me think this was all a trap was Trump waffling Maybe I did, maybe I didn't, but if I did it would be OK, leaders talk all the time about all kinds of things ... it was almost as if he was DARING the House to impeach him.
And don't forget, there are still a few more Horowitz reports to come out. Supposedly Horowitz and Barr are going over them right now. If there are major indictments in there and if I were Trump I would dribblethem out over the course of whatever impeachment proceedings were going on. That would serve as a major distraction.
As for my typos, many times I'm on the tablet or phone and not using my glasses and not being a touch typist/ stupid autofill typos get past me.
I don't chivy people for typos but you used an entirely wrong word.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY
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Quote:What I think he meant was
Having said that I'd be happy to see him self emulate on national tv.
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Having said that I'd be happy to see him self-immolate on national tv.
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It does look like Trump played the House dems like a fiddle - AND - got a never-Trumper to out yawnself. And the 'security' apparatus that says this is a 'legitimate' national security issue looks rather - I dunno. Stupid? Partisan? Mendacious?
I'm not looking for another 4 years of Trump, but the democrats better get their act together. If they can at all manage.
The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/rinse/spin/repeat/ cycle they mistake for reality.
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Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
There are many flaming red flags in this summary...
They wouldn't get a red flag if someone beat them in the head with it.
The bare facts are:
$391 million in aid to Ukraine was withheld.
Ukraine called and Trump "just happens" to mention investigating his rival's son.
The money is then released to Ukraine.
OF COURSE the Ukrainian Prez is going to say he wasn't forced because he got the money. It's exactly like when Trump met with Comey and tried to coerce Comey into not charging Flynn. He doesn't do it outright, he does it through insinuation.
"The day after the money was finally released, Senate Republicans said it had been held while the White House assessed whether the newly elected Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was aligned with the US and NATO or with Russia. That reasoning is particularly odd given the money was meant to be used to bolster Ukraine’s military in its current war against Russia"
BS Rethugs got his back again, though.
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Oh, you guys are going to feel stupid. Didn't you learn from Russiagate? It's just dems trying drum up drama, the breathlessness about this is pure Rachel-Maddow-style.
Jeez, relax, willya?
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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
They wouldn't get a red flag if someone beat them in the head with it.
The bare facts are:
$391 million in aid to Ukraine was withheld.
Ukraine called and Trump "just happens" to mention investigating his rival's son.
The money is then released to Ukraine.
lol
Apparently you haven't seen this video footage, or you'd know how hypocritical you sound right now.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I don't know much about Biden or his son or their activities, and if he wasn't running for Prez I wouldn't want to. Like I said, the guy creeps me out.
However, it appears that he was JUST bragging. And he was bragging about having someone who was HINDERING an anti-corruption probe removed. They WANTED the investigation and Shokin was trying to STOP IT.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/24/20881505/donald-trum
p-withhold-aid-ukraine-timeline-whistleblower
At the time, Hunter Biden was on the board of a company, Burisma, whose owner was under investigation for corruption and money laundering. Shokin was believed to be hindering that investigation and anti-corruption investigation in Ukraine more broadly. This was frustrating the Ukrainian executive branch, the US, international finance officials, and some NATO allies — all of which had stakes in a corruption-free Ukraine, given the civil and military aid some were funneling to the country to help it fend off Russian aggression.
So in 2016, Biden told the Ukrainian government that their loan guarantees would be cut off unless they removed Shokin. He told the story at a session at the Council on Foreign Relations in 2018.
“I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours,” Biden said. “I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.’”
The former vice president said after the threat, “Well, son of a bitch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.”
But though Biden may have taken credit for it, this was hardly his unique idea. “Everyone in the Western community wanted Shokin sacked,” Anders Aslund, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, told the Wall Street Journal. “The whole G7, the IMF, the EBRD, everybody was united that Shokin must go, and the spokesman for this was Joe Biden.”
So despite his boast last year, Biden seem to have played a very minor role in Shokin’s firing. Within the Obama administration, the idea to remove him came from the US’s embassy in Ukraine, and the sentiment the prosecutor was hindering anti-corruption efforts was shared by the US’s partners and Ukrainian citizens.
Nevertheless, Trump maintains Biden personally had Shokin fired in order to protect Hunter from criminal liability. This does not make a lot of sense considering the removal of Shokin had the potential to hurt Hunter, given the US hoped to replace the prosecutor with someone more fully committed to pursuing an anti-corruption agenda.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/24/20881505/donald-trum
p-withhold-aid-ukraine-timeline-whistleblower
Apparently, we might hear more in the morning...
The whistleblower who accused Trump of trying to coerce the Ukraine into investigating Joe Biden also raised concerns over the how the White House handled records of the conversation, sources say. The anonymous intelligence officer filed the complaint with the intelligence community inspector last month, claiming that Trump threatened to withhold US military aid unless Ukranian President Volodymyr Zelensky (top left with Trump)agreed to dig up damaging material about ties Biden and his son Hunter (right) had to the country.
If true, it's a felony. And since we already had this discussion after Hillary and Russia, he KNOWINGLY committed a felony this time.
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More anon.
Why always anon?
Aren't there people left and right that have been quitting under the Trump administration? None of them can be bothered to go on the damned record about anything since they're quitting anyways?
P.S. Vox is not a legitimate news source.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63297
In March/April 2014 the British freeze Zlochevsky's (Burisma's owner) accounts and launch an anti-corruption investigation.
During the British investigation, nothing (apparently) happens on the Ukraine side between and March/April 2014 and February 2015 (approximately 12 months), at which point Shokin becomes Ukraine's attorney general.
Some time between February 2015 and March/April 2015 (days minimum to 3 months maximum under Shokin's direction) Britain drops its case.
In March 2016, one year after Britain has already dropped its case, Biden tells Ukraine to get rid of Shokin due to non-performance on the Zlochevsky (Burisma) case.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
P.S. Vox is not a legitimate news source.
Lol. I'd like to see you try and be a journalist. Every single damn article would be a laughingstock.
PS. The article lists this guy as a source of the info.
"Anders Aslund, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, told the Wall Street Journal."
Vox gets their info the same way everyone else does. They are right more often than Faux News. All Faux News can do these days is fight with its own people.
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So, if I understand KIKI's article correctly, the reason why the Obama administration wanted to fire Ukraine's Chief Prosecutor (Shokin) wasn't because he was investigating Burisma *nat gas company, but because he WASN'T, and they were ready to withold loan gurantees over it.
How does this track? The owner of Burisma (Zlochevskiy) was reputed to be an ally of deposed (democratically-elected) Yanukovich, who was reputed to be a friend of Putin. Well, any friend of Putin's, no matter how distant, would be targeted for invesigation by Obama.
So Shokin was supposedly fired because he wasn't diligent enough in pursuing Burisma corruption? What about the Chief Prosecutor afterwards. Did HE do a better job?
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Kaleniuk and AntAC published a detailed timeline of events surrounding the Burisma case, an outline of evidence suggesting that three consecutive chief prosecutors of Ukraine -- first Shokin’s predecessor, then Shokin, and then his successor -- worked to bury it.
https://www.rferl.org/a/why-was-ukraine-top-prosecutor-fired-viktor-sh
okin/30181445.html Clearly there was more at stake than Burisma.
I have more info but busy will post later.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY
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"the reason why the Obama administration wanted to fire Ukraine's Chief Prosecutor (Shokin) wasn't because he was investigating Burisma *nat gas company, but because he WASN'T, and they were ready to withold loan gurantees over it."
The stated reason - Shokin's lack of cooperation with Britain in its Bursima investigation - doesn't add up in the timeline. Shokin was Ukraine's chief prosecutor for AT MOST 3 months before Britain dropped its case, and probably only a few weeks. Before Shokin, the Ukraine efforts to help Britain look to have been zero for roughly a year. And after Britain dropped its case, there may or may not have been any INTERNAL reason for Ukraine to pursue Burisma.
So, Ukraine's top prosecutor before Shokin does absolutely zero to help the British investigation for about a year. Shokin had a few weeks as top prosecutor in which to help Britain, before Britain drops its own investigation due to lack of evidence. After the British case against Burisma goes defunct, Shokin continues to remain in office for somewhat less than a year, before he's ousted for failing to cooperate sufficiently with the British investigation and causing it to fail - an investigation that had already been defunct for over a year.
So why did they punish Shokin for his failure to do in a few weeks what hadn't been done in a year? And why did they 'let' him remain in office for so long after his (apparently) deeply culpable failure? (And sheesh - talk about the US using the power of the purse to interfere in another country's internal affairs!!)
The stated reasons for getting rid of Shokin just don't add up against the timeline. That leads me to suspect the stated reason. I have no alternative theory as to why Shokin was punished supposedly for non-performance specifically re the British Burisma investigation, but the CP before him wasn't. And if it was for general non-performance, I have no idea why Shokin was punished but his successor wasn't.
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I see our commie trolls are still aggerating what's true into what's not. It's to be expected.
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Originally posted by THG: I see our commie trolls are still aggerating what's true into what's not. It's to be expected.
"aggerating"? Yanno, it's one thing to use a word that's close to the word you mean (emulate instead of immolate) it's another thing to use a word that's totally nonsensical/uninterpretable
The Magic Eight ball says ... TRY AGAIN
This time, with a real English word
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY
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Quote:What I wanted to add to the idea, is that I have no idea why they picked on Shokin individually and specifically, but not on any other CP who equally failed to perform. It may have been that he didn't provide the quantity and quality of meaningless lip service they expected from a national-level CP.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
The stated reasons for getting rid of Shokin just don't add up against the timeline. That leads me to suspect the stated reason. I have no alternative theory as to why Shokin was individuality and specifically punished supposedly for non-performance re the British Burisma investigation, but the CP before him wasn't. And if it was for general non-performance, I have no idea why Shokin was individuality and specifically punished but his successor wasn't.
AFAIK most people get individually fired not due to lack of performance, but because they irritate their bosses.
In this case, while we may never know why Shokin was fired, as a bonus piece of information we get to see who the real bosses of Ukraine were at the time, which were the international investors.
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Trump is facing the biggest firestorm of his presidency because his own staffers blew the whistle on him
Donald Trump is weathering the biggest firestorm of his presidency thanks largely to his own staff.
Notably, the whistleblower was not a direct witness to the conduct described in the complaint or Trump's conversation with Zelensky. Instead, they said they learned of it from "multiple White House officials with direct knowledge of the call."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-is-facing-the-biggest-fi
restorm-of-his-presidency-because-his-own-staffers-blew-the-whistle-on-him/ar-AAHTq41?ocid=spartandhp
His own staff say this guy is corrupt and decided to turn him in for the benefit of the country. The trolls here still cover for him. Why, because that's what trolls do.
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It's a scandal a minute here...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7507331/SECOND-whistleblower-
claims-improper-influence-IRS-audit-Trumps-tax-returns.html
Bluster harder, Trump. 
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More anon.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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You'd be anonymous too, if you knew the violent 73% were going to come gunning for you.
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Quote:Jeez, WISHY, all of the threats on this board seem to come from you And SECOND and whats-its-name. You're all just a bunch of haters ... bullies looking to exercise your essential bully=hood. Were you a bully in school too?
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
You'd be anonymous too, if you knew the violent 73% were going to come gunning for you.
Like I said: predictable
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Yup.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by THG: I see our commie trolls are still aggerating what's true into what's not. It's to be expected.
"aggerating"? Yanno, it's one thing to use a word that's close to the word you mean (emulate instead of immolate) it's another thing to use a word that's totally nonsensical/uninterpretable
The Magic Eight ball says ... TRY AGAIN
This time, with a real English word
Does punctuation cost money on your phone? You seem to skip them a lot.
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Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by THG: I see our commie trolls are still aggerating what's true into what's not. It's to be expected.
"aggerating"? Yanno, it's one thing to use a word that's close to the word you mean (emulate instead of immolate) it's another thing to use a word that's totally nonsensical/uninterpretable
The Magic Eight ball says ... TRY AGAIN
This time, with a real English word
Does punctuation cost money on your phone? You seem to skip them a lot.
G, New poll on impeachment. There's a 13 point swing.
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/13-point-swing-in-favor-of-imp
eachment-poll-70062661722
tick tock
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Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by THG: I see our commie trolls are still aggerating what's true into what's not. It's to be expected.
"aggerating"? Yanno, it's one thing to use a word that's close to the word you mean (emulate instead of immolate) it's another thing to use a word that's totally nonsensical/uninterpretable
The Magic Eight ball says ... TRY AGAIN
This time, with a real English word
Does punctuation cost money on your phone? You seem to skip them a lot.
G, New poll on impeachment. There's a 13 point swing.
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/13-point-swing-in-favor-of-imp
eachment-poll-70062661722
tick tock
T
Big Mo (momentum). I see a Republican mayor has said he favors impeachment. You never know. It could be a "The president has no clothes" moment.
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