Impeachment Investigation Is Underway, Judiciary Committee Says

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, November 11, 2019 4:21 AM (P)

Boring.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Monday, November 11, 2019 5:05 AM (P)

Back in September 21, 2016, Fortune magazine calculated how much taxes Trump cheated the government out of with his "charity". Fortune guessed $700,000. Three years passed before a judge offers Trump's lawyers a $2 million deal -- if Trump pays, and shuts down his "charity", the judge will call it even.
https://fortune.com/2016/09/21/donald-trump-foundation-irs/

Fortune magazine was only able to look at Trump's "charity" tax returns because those returns must be made public. Trump claims to be worth $10 billion. The tax returns for those $billions are completely unknown at the moment, but someday the secret will be known. Even then it will possibly take three years, as it did with Trump's "charity", to discover how much Trump really owes.

For several more years there will be much to impeach Trump for, even into his second term. Only last month there was this article: "Never-Before-Seen Trump Tax Documents Show Major Inconsistencies"
www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-never-before-seen-trump-t
ax-documents-show-major-inconsistencies

If Trump is reelected, and he continues with keeping secrets, by the time his term ends in 2025, he will have 8 tax returns that he refused to share with the public, not even sharing the two pages showing total income and total taxes owed. I am expecting huge battles between Congress and Trump over those tax returns. Trump's buddies in the Senate won't be able to protect him from paying what he owes, even when they can protect him from Ukrainegate and abandoning the Kurds of Syria to save his Trump Towers Istanbul. Eventually, Trump will get punished for lying about his money. The punishment will be fair -- he pays what he owes.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Monday, November 11, 2019 5:59 AM (P)

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Originally posted by THG:
Let's just say I served when Nixon was president comrade. He was my commander and chief. Figure it out.

And yet, you can't figure out which country's interests you represent. I know that because you can't answer this simple question: (in gold ... just so you don't miss it) - explain to me EXACTLY how US national security is threatened by anything that happens in Ukraine.

This simple question is one you've avoided answering in a dozen posts --- with propaganda, lies, trolling, LIBEL, and diversions.

Your inability to answer is very telling about where your loyalties lie.

A billion flies eat shit.

And BTW, I seriously doubt you've been in this country since Nixon was president, if at all. You're/your English and important military phrases - yanno, like the president's military title - would be better by now if that was true.

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Originally posted by THG:
Let's just say I served when Nixon was president missing comma comrade. He was my commander ~~and~~ IN chief. Figure it out.

THG

Monday, November 11, 2019 6:13 AM (P)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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You STILL can't answer the question THUGGER? You know, it's an important question. Everyone says the reason what Trump did with Zelensky was bad was because it jeopardized national security.
So here is my question again, in gold ... just so you don't miss it: - explain to me EXACTLY how US national security is threatened by anything that happens in Ukraine. -KIKI

Better kiki. Not great but better.

Encouraged a foreign nation to interfere with U.S. elections.
Baloney. Asked a foreign nation to cooperate with an ongoing investigation.

But if you think what Trump did was bad, how about ... asking Britain, Ukraine, and Australia to cooperate with an illegal counterintelligence operation against a candidate? Making shit up about that candidate (called the "steele dossier") and leaking it to the press?

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Opened up the President of the United States to blackmail.
How? There was no crime, so ... no blackmail. Hard as you try to turn this event into something that it wasn't (Did you read the transcript?) there's no "there" there.

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Helps Russia,
How?

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Stopped substantial military aid the U.S. Congress determined to be in America’s national interest from reaching its intended recipient (restored only after the scandal became public).
Jeezus, are you saying that Ukraine is a vital ally in our fight against Russia?

Hmmm... are we at war with Russia? Is Ukraine an ally?

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Ukraine is a buffer between Putin’s aggressive Russia and four NATO allies the U.S. is sworn to defend if attacked.
Ukraine is NOT an ally, theefore we are not "sworn" to defend it if it is attacked. Up until the USA-engineered coup in 2016, Ukraine was in fact a part of the Russian economic bloc. If Ukraine reverts to the Russian economic bloc, not much will have changed.

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If Russia takes over Ukraine due to an inability to defend themselves as a result of U.S. military aid not reaching them, the U.S. is more likely to either go to war, or have to invest substantially more in proactive defense. Russian troops just over the border from four more NATO members is dangerous.
well, maybe WE xhould have thought of that before we expanded NATO eastward.

[qoute]Makes other countries less likely to take American promises of military aid seriously.

Good. We promise too much military aid to too many nations. It might help them remember that aid is VOLUNTARY ... it can be started AND STOPPED based on our interests.

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Ukraine is vulnerable, in part, because the U.S. convinced them to give up their nuclear weapons, in exchange for assurance that we would help them defend themselves from Russia.
More baloney from THUGR!

The USA, Russia and Britain agreed not to attack Ukraine or to threaten its economic or political integrity. We broke that promise when we engineered a coup in Ukraine. our agreement with Ukraine was NOT a defense agreement.

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Weakening a vulnerable nation under attack makes the world less stable and makes it more likely the U.S. will suffer negative reverberations.
Maybe we should have thought of that before we engineered a coup and destroyed the Ukrainian economy.

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If Ukraine’s anti-Russia, anti-corruption leader ...
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who presumably would have an interest in investigating the corruption within Ukraine .. loses political power because the United States undermined him, his replacement may be more Putin-friendly and expand Putin’s influence against U.S. interests.
OUR interests? Where? In Ukraine?

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Improperly using the highest national security secrecy systems to hide political secrets and misconduct weakens them.
Obama used the same server for the same purpose. But since the content of he phone call was revaled, it seems there was no "there" there.

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Discourages other potential whistleblowers

1KIKI

Monday, November 11, 2019 6:32 AM (P)

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Originally posted by THG:
Wrong sig. Everything you post is wrong comrade.

REALLY?

Are we to take your disloyal / foreign / ignorant / libelous word for it?

Or do you have actual - yanno - FACTS at your disposal?

A billion flies eat shit.

SECOND

Monday, November 11, 2019 7:22 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Or do you have actual - yanno - FACTS at your disposal?

A lawyer for Rudy Giuliani's indicted associate Lev Parnas said Giuliani directed Parnas to issue an ultimatum earlier this year to a representative of incoming Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, warning him that if the new government didn't announce an investigation into Joe Biden, the US would freeze military aid and Vice President Mike Pence would not attend Zelensky's inauguration.

There being no punishment for lying while NOT under oath, Giuliani denied everything. There is also no punishment for lying while under oath, if you lie during an impeachment trial in the GOP controlled Senate.

More at www.cnn.com/2019/11/10/politics/trump-ukraine-lev-parnas-igor-fruman-r
udy-giuliani/index.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, November 11, 2019 7:27 AM (P)

Yawn...

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Monday, November 11, 2019 10:43 AM (P)

The reason why I'm here Jack, replying to the useful idiots, is because their 'thinking' only goes as deep as the last unsupported statement mouth-breathed by the m$m.

When I hear 'Trump endangered national security', my first response is to question - HOW exactly did he do that?

Did he - yanno - spill intelligence secrets? Give Putin the launch codes for the day? Or what?

It's like the Iraq / WMD scam that was run on Americans (that shamefully, many believed, because to them, it was unthinkable that their government would lie to them. And to them, it was even more unthinkable their government would put soldiers at risk of being killed for completely venal reasons.). In that scam, the government asserted unsupported statements about Iraq's WMDs over and over, the media amplified them ad nauseam, and the Iraq disaster was born.

So when I hear and see, over and over and over, that Trump somehow-or-other put US national security at risk, and it floats around unattached to any evidence given by anyone, it looks like a reprise of the WMD scam. That's why I keep asking EXACTLY HOW is US national security threatened by anything that happens in Ukraine?

Anyway, since I can't pinpoint exactly HOW this is supposed to be a problem to US national security, I have to assume people are in a dither because "weapons, training, and advisers" were briefly held up. So ASSUMING this is all about military aid to Ukraine, I can't find even one reason to connect it to US national security. But even IF it was a US national security issue, then Obama was far worse. "By March 2015, the US had committed more than $120 million in security assistance for Ukraine and had pledged an additional $75 million worth of equipment including UAVs, counter-mortar radars, night vision devices and medical supplies, according to the Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency." As opposed to, say, the Javelins now going to Ukraine, courtesy of Trump.

So I'm left to conclude that the useful idiots here have no facts, and no thoughts, and are simply parroting the most recent propaganda that's been poured into their short-term memories.

And the level of propaganda pisses me off, as well as their intolerant personal attacks for not being the zombies they are.

I understand that at this point they're beyond reality. And they're not going to suddenly become sane because (by some miracle) they realize that facts are incompatible with their beliefs. But I can't be silent on it either.

So ON THIS TOPIC, I've made my point and if needed I'll continue to make my point. No US national security was put at risk by delaying military aid to Ukraine.

And there were no WMDs in Iraq, either.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, November 11, 2019 10:55 AM (P)

I know this. It isn't rocket science.

It's just strange how some people accept an entirely fabricated version of reality. Especially those I hold in esteem. It's baffling.

My boredom with it these days is that no matter what the story is, nothing ever changes. I've been coming to this forum for three years sober now and not a single thing has changed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Monday, November 11, 2019 12:11 PM (P)

You know, in the Iraq days there was only one person on this board who TRULY believed that Iraq had WMD. He shall remain nameless, but the idea of Iraq having WMD rattled him to his bones, and left him with a case of PTSD that didn'tgo away for ... years, as far as I can tell.

Today, there is only one person on this board... JO ... who TRULY believes that Russia is the evil behind all distasteful events. Everyone else is just using it as a rationalization for "Why I hate Trump". And since Russia/racism/Ukraine/whatever are just rationalization, well, one rationalization is just as good as another and they can be easily interchanged.

It would e useful TO THESE PEOPLE if they did a little soul-searching as to why they TRULY hate Trump. I'm sure there are reasons, mostly emotional ones having nothing to do with current events, Trump, Russia, or anything else that's outside of their own personal demons. I have my own idea on why they feel the way they do (for example, THUGR is still trying to live down his dishonorable discharge by proving over and over again how loyal he is. As Frem said, we spend our adult lives fighting the battles we lost as children) but until they reach clarity about their own motivations I'm afarid their thinking will be all screwed up.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

THG

Monday, November 11, 2019 9:38 PM (P)

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THG

Monday, November 11, 2019 9:39 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You know, in the Iraq days there was only one person on this board who TRULY believed that Iraq had WMD. He shall remain nameless, but the idea of Iraq having WMD rattled him to his bones, and left him with a case of PTSD that didn'tgo away for ... years, as far as I can tell.

Today, there is only one person on this board... JO ... who TRULY believes that Russia is the evil behind all distasteful events. Everyone else is just using it as a rationalization for "Why I hate Trump". And since Russia/racism/Ukraine/whatever are just rationalization, well, one rationalization is just as good as another and they can be easily interchanged.

It would e useful TO THESE PEOPLE if they did a little soul-searching as to why they TRULY hate Trump. I'm sure there are reasons, mostly emotional ones having nothing to do with current events, Trump, Russia, or anything else that's outside of their own personal demons. I have my own idea on why they feel the way they do (for example, THUGR is still trying to live down his dishonorable discharge by proving over and over again how loyal he is. As Frem said, we spend our adult lives fighting the battles we lost as children) but until they reach clarity about their own motivations I'm afarid their thinking will be all screwed up.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

Sorry sig but its afraid not afarid. It should be didn't go not didn'tgo. It should be, be useful not e useful. You kiki and Jack insist upon perfection in writing when it suits you. So...
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THG

Monday, November 11, 2019 9:52 PM (P)

What's coming in impeachment: The inquiry goes public

LIGHTS, CAMERAS, HEARINGS

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/whats-coming-in-impeachment-th
e-inquiry-goes-public/ar-BBWzT2q?ocid=spartandhp

tick tock

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1KIKI

Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:07 AM (P)

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry-testified-co
ngress/story?id=66763043

A billion flies eat shit.

THG

Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:14 AM (P)

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

A billion flies eat shit.

And so must you...I say that because you seem to be fascinated by it. It shows up in all your posts. I guess it's a birds of a feather thing aye kiki?

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THG

Tuesday, November 12, 2019 2:08 AM (P)

Oh no, it's that damn Mueller report again.
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How Trump's Ukraine Conspiracy Backfired In The Impeachment Probe

Newly-released documents from the Mueller probe reveal Paul Manafort began pushing the debunked Ukraine conspiracy theory at the heart of Trump’s bribery plot as far back as 2016. Buzzfeed reporter Anthony Cormier joins Ari Melber to discuss how Trump and his allies tried to weaponize the debunked conspiracy and how it’s backfired on them.

THG

Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:36 AM (P)

2 White House officials say Mulvaney helped coordinate Ukraine pressure campaign

Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney helped to coordinate a pressure campaign against Ukraine, two top White House officials said they were told, according to testimony released Friday based on closed-door depositions.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/2-white-house-officials-say-mu
lvaney-helped-coordinate-ukraine-pressure-campaign/ar-BBWtwWN?ocid=spartanntp

tick tock tick tock

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THG

Tuesday, November 12, 2019 8:13 AM (P)

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Trump Aide Caves In Impeachment Suit Against Trump

Trump’s acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney withdraws his motion to intervene in the John Bolton’s deputy’s lawsuit. Mulvaney will file his own lawsuit as a separate case.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:32 AM (P)

lol

Nobody cares.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Tuesday, November 12, 2019 8:52 PM (P)

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Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

THG

Thursday, November 14, 2019 5:08 AM (P)

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Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, November 14, 2019 5:14 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:

Try again...

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Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

TEST 2

Still the same problem but might be residual from the original post.

EDIT: Trying again without the old post.

I dunno. Probably good now. Why don't you just post something random here and I'll quote it again and see.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JO753

Thursday, November 14, 2019 6:26 PM (P)

Its 70-30 that Trump will kik the buket befor Nov 3 2020. He iz showing all the sinez uv hypertension and with hiz wate, bad diet, aje, and the pressure uv being The Prez under impeachment (likely impeached by then), he iz ticking all the boxez for a major chest grabber.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, November 14, 2019 7:16 PM (P)

Nah. He's cool. But feel free to add that delusion to the whole basket of deplorable things that swim around in your guys and gal's minds.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Friday, November 15, 2019 4:34 AM (P)

Pelosi ups the ante on impeachment, accuses Trump of 'bribery'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pelosi-ups-the-ante-on-impeach
ment-accuses-trump-of-bribery/ar-BBWLhTk?ocid=spartandhp

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, November 15, 2019 4:41 AM (P)

lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Friday, November 15, 2019 11:53 PM (P)

What I find interesting is that only Rand Paul is willing to go off the Senate Republican reservation.

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https://summit.news/2019/11/15/rand-paul-to-initiate-senate-vote-to-fo
rce-hunter-biden-impeachment-testimony/

Rand Paul To Initiate Senate Vote To Force Hunter Biden Impeachment Testimony

Senator Rand Paul threatened Thursday to trigger a vote that would force Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, to testify as a witness to the impeachment trial against President Trump.

“I believe very strongly the president should be able to call his own witnesses,” Paul told reporters.

What's behind this, is that in this whole SCHIFFTY process, republicans have been blocked from calling their own witnesses.

1KIKI

Saturday, November 16, 2019 12:10 AM (P)

For lack of a better spot, I'll put this here.

When Did Ukraine Become a ‘Critical Ally’?

“One would think, listening to this,” writes Barbara Boland, the American Conservative columnist, “that the U.S. had always provided arms to Ukraine, and that Ukraine has relied on this aid for years. But this is untrue and the Washington blob knows this.”

Indeed, Ukraine has never been a NATO ally or a “critical ally.”

Despite dramatic depictions of Ukraine as our embattled ally, Ukraine has never been an ally. We are not now nor have we ever been obligated to fight for its sovereignty or territorial integrity. Efforts to bring Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia into NATO have been repeatedly rebuffed in the United States and by our European NATO allies.

https://buchanan.org/blog/when-did-ukraine-become-a-critical-ally-1377
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1KIKI

Saturday, November 16, 2019 12:24 AM (P)

From THE David Stockman (anyone who's too young to remember, google the name).

https://original.antiwar.com/david_stockman/2019/11/12/the-ukrainian-i
nfluence-peddling-rings-a-microcosm-of-how-imperial-washington-rolls/

THG

Saturday, November 16, 2019 2:43 AM (P)

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THG

Saturday, November 16, 2019 3:34 AM (P)

Staffer who overheard Trump call with Sondland testifies in closed hearing

David Holmes, the aide who overheard a phone call between U.S. Ambassador to the EU Gordon Sondland and President Trump, is testifying in a closed hearing with the House committees conducting the impeachment inquiry.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/staffer-who-overheard-trump-ca
ll-with-sondland-testifies-in-closed-hearing/ar-BBWPnui?ocid=spartandhp

Oh no Donnie, oh no...
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1KIKI

Saturday, November 16, 2019 7:26 AM (P)

Anyway, this is a reasonable facsimile of my observations of DAY 1, without the bother of me having to type them out.

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Hearsay, Your Honor!

Watching Day 1 yesterday of the impeachment inquiry that isn’t one, I was thinking about an old children’s game, which is just as useful for adults, in which, in a wide circle of persons, no. 1 tells no. 2 a story, no. 2 tells no. 3, and so forth. If the total numbers of persons in the circle is large enough, it’s certain that the story, if it has enough details, will have changed unrecognizably by, say, no. 20.

That little game is a nice illustration of why you’ve all heard the words “Hearsay, Your Honor” spoken by some lawyer or another in 1000+ movies and TV series. And hearsay was all there was yesterday from “witnesses” Bill Taylor and George Kent. They are both “witnesses” who didn’t witness anything related to the hearing in course and neither ever met or spoke to President Trump, but both claim to know exactly what he was thinking, why he did what he did, and said what he said, based on things they heard from third parties, quite a few of whom remain anonymous.

Little of what they said would therefore be ruled admissible in a court of law. But the House inquiry is not a court of law. It can probably best be compared to a grand jury, a very one-sided format designed to let a prosecutor find and present enough evidence to let a case go to court. If Taylor and Kent had been in a court room, you would have heard “Hearsay, Your Honor” about once in every ten seconds. That gets old fast.

So why do we have this circus going on when it is obvious that round 2 (or 3, if you think the basement hearings were round 1), the Senate trial which must follow if the Dems decide to impeach Trump, has to acquit him because the House based its entire case on hearsay? I don’t know, but perhaps we see some of it in Democrat Rep. Mike Quigley (IL)’s statement: “Hearsay can be much better evidence than direct … and it’s certainly valid in this instance”

Democrat Rep. Mike Quigley (IL) on evidence: “Hearsay can be much better evidence than direct … and it’s certainly valid in this instance” pic.twitter.com/JD0Ui6acxD

— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) November 13, 2019

Note that Quigley in that little video got shut down very rapidly in his enthusiasm for using hearsay by someone (I can’t see who) saying none of the exceptions he seemed to refer to applied to “this testimony”. And that’s the crux here: courts may have in the past, after much deliberation, allowed hearsay in specific cases, but Quigley tries to make it look as if that is now some general rule, and that is certainly not true.

Before I forget, something that struck me at the start yesterday was how both Adam Schiff and Bill Taylor in their openings emphasized their focus on Russia, while this case is not about that, but about Ukraine. And Russia Russia Russia has been shot down along with Robert Muller in his memorably awful “defense” of his failed report a few months ago.

Schiff’s opening words:

In 2014, Russia invaded a United States ally, Ukraine, to reverse that nation’s embrace of the West, and to fulfill Vladimir Putin’s desire to rebuild a Russian empire. In the following years, thirteen thousand Ukrainians died as they battled superior Russian forces.

There is so much wrong and debatable and leading and what not in just those few words, I don’t even know where to start. I guess perhaps I should be shouting out “Hearsay, Your Honor” at the top of my lungs. Then there’s Taylor:

After his opening statement, Taylor answers questions. He tells committee members: “If we withdraw or suspend or threaten to withdraw our security assistance” to Ukraine, it sends a “message to Ukrainians, but its just as important to the Russians who are looking for any sign of weakness”. “That affects us” he adds. It affects the world that we live in; that our children and grandchildren will grow up in,” he adds, appearing to become emotional. “Ukraine is on the front line of that conflict,” he conclud

THG

Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:48 PM (P)

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CAPTAINCRUNCH

Saturday, November 16, 2019 8:27 PM (P)

THG

Saturday, November 16, 2019 9:15 PM (P)

That's way too funny G...

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THG

Saturday, November 16, 2019 9:17 PM (P)

Impeachment witness provides firsthand account of hearing Trump demand ‘investigation’ of Bidens by Ukraine

David Holmes, an embassy staffer in Kyiv, testified that he overheard a July 26 phone call in which Trump pressed U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland about whether Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky would “do the investigation,” according to three people who have read his opening statement and spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe its contents.

“Ambassador Sondland replied that ‘he’s gonna do it,’ adding that President Zelensky will do ‘anything you ask him to,’?” Holmes said, according to these people.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/impeachment-witness-provides-f
irsthand-account-of-hearing-trump-demand-investigation-of-bidens-by-ukraine/ar-BBWOJ1m?ocid=spartanntp

tick tock

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, November 16, 2019 10:54 PM (P)

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

Awwwwwwwww. Too bad.

Try not to get Epstiened while you're in there buddy.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Sunday, November 17, 2019 5:00 AM (P)

Trump’s core impeachment defense suffers a double blow — including a self-inflicted one

The idea that President Trump truly cared about corruption in Ukraine was always far-fetched. The only two investigations he has pushed for were ones in which he had a clear personal interest, and Trump hasn’t shown a similar interest in corruption in many other countries that received U.S. aid — including even more corrupt ones. Yet it’s an argument that Trump’s defenders keep trotting out for his impeachment defense.

Instead, though, the call undermined one of Trump’s chief defenses. It was quickly noted that the transcript didn’t match a public readout of the call provided by the White House, which said Trump told Zelensky that he was committed to working together to “strengthen democracy, increase prosperity, and root out corruption.” There is no mention of any of that on the call.

I then took the opportunity to ask Ambassador Sondland for his candid impression of the President’s views on Ukraine. In particular, I asked Ambassador Sondland if it was true that the President did not “give a s — t about Ukraine.” Ambassador Sondland agreed that the President did not “give a s — t about Ukraine.” I asked why not, and Ambassador Sondland stated that the President only cares about “big stuff.” I noted that there was “big stuff” going on in Ukraine, like a war with Russia, and Ambassador Sondland replied that he meant “big stuff” that benefits the President, like the “Biden investigation” that Mr. Giuliani was pushing. The conversation then moved on to other topics

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-trumps-core-impeachme
nt-defense-suffers-a-double-blow-—-including-a-self-inflicted-one/ar-BBWRyBa?ocid=spartandhp

tick tock

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THG

Sunday, November 17, 2019 7:11 PM (P)

Pence aide testified that Trump’s efforts to pressure Ukraine were 'inappropriate'

A top national security aide to Vice President Mike Pence told House impeachment investigators that President Donald Trump’s efforts to pressure Ukraine to investigate his political opponents were “unusual and inappropriate,” and “shed some light on possible other motivations” for the president’s order to freeze military aid to the U.S. ally.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-aide-testified-that-trum
ps-efforts-to-pressure-ukraine-were-inappropriate/ar-BBWRWIA?ocid=spartandhp

There is no defense for Trump. Only the continued destruction of our Democratic institutions. This time it's the constitution.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:59 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Pence aide testified that Trump’s efforts to pressure Ukraine were 'inappropriate'

A top national security aide to Vice President Mike Pence told House impeachment investigators that President Donald Trump’s efforts to pressure Ukraine to investigate his political opponents were “unusual and inappropriate,” and “shed some light on possible other motivations” for the president’s order to freeze military aid to the U.S. ally.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-aide-testified-that-trum
ps-efforts-to-pressure-ukraine-were-inappropriate/ar-BBWRWIA?ocid=spartandhp

There is no defense for Trump. Only the continued destruction of our Democratic institutions. This time it's the constitution.

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Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

This ought to be good. Explain how it's the constitution this time.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Sunday, November 17, 2019 9:18 PM (P)

The Constitution Says ‘Bribery’ Is Impeachable. What Does That Mean?

The Founders had a broader conception of bribery than what’s in the criminal code. Their understanding was derived from English law, under which bribery was understood as an officeholder’s abuse of the power of an office to obtain a private benefit rather than for the public interest. This definition not only encompasses Trump’s conduct—it practically defines it.

The memorandum released by the White House describing that call—which is consistent with the accounts of the whistleblower complaint that first brought this scandal to light—reads like a classic shakedown.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/constitution-says-bribery-impeachable-what
-does-mean

If in the face of overwhelming evidence the senate fails to convict, then not only have they denied the constitution its due, but changed our concept of fair play in this country forever.

We would now have to allow for all future presidents to bribe, blackmail and extort the rest of the world leaders for personal gain further damaging our national security.

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THG

Sunday, November 17, 2019 9:21 PM (P)

Abuse of power, not criminality, key to Trump impeachment

(Reuters) - Democratic lawmakers have a strong case for impeaching U.S. President Donald Trump if they can prove he abused his power when he asked Ukraine’s president to “look into” an American political rival, several legal experts said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-legal-idUSK
BN1WC10L

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THG

Sunday, November 17, 2019 9:26 PM (P)

Legal Information Institute

Article 11-Section 4

The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, November 17, 2019 9:52 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
The Constitution Says ‘Bribery’ Is Impeachable. What Does That Mean?

The Founders had a broader conception of bribery than what’s in the criminal code. Their understanding was derived from English law, under which bribery was understood as an officeholder’s abuse of the power of an office to obtain a private benefit rather than for the public interest. This definition not only encompasses Trump’s conduct—it practically defines it.

The memorandum released by the White House describing that call—which is consistent with the accounts of the whistleblower complaint that first brought this scandal to light—reads like a classic shakedown.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/constitution-says-bribery-impeachable-what
-does-mean

If in the face of overwhelming evidence the senate fails to convict, then not only have they denied the constitution its due, but changed our concept of fair play in this country forever.

We would now have to allow for all future presidents to bribe, blackmail and extort the rest of the world leaders for personal gain further damaging our national security.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

LOL, you can do better than that brother.

If they can impeach and remove a sitting president for a transcript of a phone call with a foreign nation that was taken wildly out of context, then expect absolutely zero meddling in foreign affairs for perpetuity. (I'm actually fully on board with that, personally, but this is exactly why this particular issue isn't going to get you anywhere).

We bribe foreign leaders with money from our printing presses every single day.

So much so, that Joe Biden very candidly was bragging about it very candidly in the open. That Biden footage wasn't from a closed door meeting.

Let's not even begin to discuss how you're taking a single sentence of the Constitution out of context in your desperate reach here.

They're talking about bribing the rich, bribing public officials, and other such national forms of bribery there, kiddo.

If we were going to be real, most presidents could be impeached and removed by bribing voters with freebies.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Monday, November 18, 2019 7:05 AM (P)

Stop being a complete dick Jack. The call transcript isn't even one-fiftieth of the evidence.

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1KIKI

Monday, November 18, 2019 7:19 AM (P)

I listened to DAY1 and all the other so-called evidence is hearsay, and "I came to the understanding ..." opinion.

THG

Monday, November 18, 2019 11:23 PM (P)

House is investigating whether Trump lied to Mueller, its general counsel told a federal appeals court

The statement came during arguments over Congress’s request to have secret grand jury evidence from the Mueller report released urgently for its impeachment inquiry.

The request followed closely on the heels of Friday’s conviction of longtime Trump friend Roger Stone. Testimony and evidence at his trial appeared to cast doubt on written replies from Trump to Mueller about the president’s knowledge about attempts by his 2016 campaign to learn more about the release of hacked Democratic emails by the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-is-investigating-whether
-trump-lied-to-mueller-its-general-counsel-told-a-federal-appeals-court/ar-BBWWl20?ocid=spartandhp

tick tock

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SIGNYM

Monday, November 18, 2019 11:25 PM (P)

*****

Keeping track here ... so far the House has called George Kent, who has said rather briefly that he didn't see or hear anything directly

Bill Taylor, who took DAYS to say that he didn't see or hear anything directly either, and

Marine Yovanovich, who ALSO didn't see or hear anything but is butt-hurt that she got fired.

The whistleblower, Eric Ciamarella according to Rand Paul, who ALSO didn't see or hear anything directly will not appear.

Is that about it for the first week?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

THG

Tuesday, November 19, 2019 1:24 AM (P)

Sorry comrade sig but if you were paying attention you'd know this week is set up to blow your all second hand, no first had witnesses out of the water. And sig, and, all their credentials are impeccable. Opps...
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The second week of public hearings in the impeachment inquiry begins Tuesday morning with Jennifer Williams, aide to Vice President Mike Pence, and Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, November 19, 2019 1:28 AM (P)

lol

No point arguing about any of this.

I'm just going to sit back and let these knuckleheads compile a whole list of bullshit that doesn't mean anything when the hearings don't go the way they'd like.

It's going to be hilarious. Even better than Russiagate.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Tuesday, November 19, 2019 9:06 PM (P)

Anybody watching the impeachment inquiry? I am, I'm watching the impeachment inquiry. They are very exciting.

tick tock

T

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CAPTAINCRUNCH

Tuesday, November 19, 2019 9:23 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Anybody watching the impeachment inquiry? I am, I'm watching the impeachment inquiry. They are very exciting.

tick tock

T

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On and off. Nunes has more flop sweat than Dan Quail. Not to mention he’s another lying a-hole. GOP needs an enema.

Vindman is solid. Best moment:
Vindman corrects Nunes after he called him "Mr. Vindman":

"Ranking member, it's Lt. Col. Vindman."

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:01 PM (P)

No. No they are not exciting. lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:12 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Sorry comrade sig but if you were paying attention you'd know this week is set up to blow your all second hand, no first had witnesses out of the water. And sig, and, all their credentials are impeccable. Opps...
T

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The second week of public hearings in the impeachment inquiry begins Tuesday morning with Jennifer Williams, aide to Vice President Mike Pence, and Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman.

1KIKI

Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:20 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Keeping track here ... so far the House has called George Kent, who has said rather briefly that he didn't see or hear anything directly

Bill Taylor, who took DAYS to say that he didn't see or hear anything directly either, and

Marine Yovanovich, who ALSO didn't see or hear anything but is butt-hurt that she got fired.

The whistleblower, Eric Ciamarella according to Rand Paul, who ALSO didn't see or hear anything directly will not appear.

Is that about it for the first week?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Sorry comrade sig but if you were paying attention you'd know this week is set up to blow your all second hand, no first had witnesses out of the water. And sig, and, all their credentials are impeccable. Opps...

As to the question about it all being second hand (or third, or fourth ...), I guess THUGGER gave you a 'yes' answer.

And Signy, as far as I know, Yovanovich didn't get fired or even demoted, she merely got reassigned, out of a position she apparently felt very territorial about.

And THUGGER, what's with the OPPS? The correct spelling is OOPS.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, November 19, 2019 11:03 PM (P)

Quote:
Sorry comrade sig but if you were paying attention you'd know this week is set up to blow your all second hand, no first had witnesses out of the water...

So, you can FORGET the entire first week, and all the M$M blowhards who hyperventilated about one "bombshell" after another that turned out to be squibs?

I guess THAT must have been the "show" part of "show trial"! (Yanno, just like the good ol' USSR!)

Quote:
A show trial is a public trial in which the judicial authorities have already determined the guilt of the defendant. The actual trial has as its only goal the presentation of both the accusation and the verdict to the public so they will serve as both an impressive example and a warning to other would-be dissidents or transgressors. Show trials tend to be retributive rather than corrective and they are also conducted for propagandistic purposes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show_trial

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Tuesday, November 19, 2019 11:44 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, you can FORGET the entire first week, and all the M$M blowhards who hyperventilated about one "bombshell" after another that turned out to be squibs?

Certainly not as damning as Trump's own words:

TRUMP: "The other thing, there's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."

Clear abuse of power/bribery/extortion and likely not the first time.

Hey, where have I recently heard someone else use a similar phrase in a completely phony attempt to make the next thing out of their mouth seem popular, or incontrovertible, "...a lot of people ..." "... there's a lot of talk about ...." something to do with Venus? Huh... seems a popular tactic... is it Schopentrumper?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, November 19, 2019 11:47 PM (P)

Obviously he wasn't worried about those words getting out to the public because he put them out there for the public to read.

There's no there there buddy.

You never admitted you were wrong when Russiagate was a hoax. My prediction is that you won't this time either when impeachment goes nowhere.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Wednesday, November 20, 2019 12:28 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Anybody watching the impeachment inquiry? I am, I'm watching the impeachment inquiry. They are very exciting.

tick tock

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

On and off. Nunes has more flop sweat than Dan Quail. Not to mention he’s another lying a-hole. GOP needs an enema.

Vindman is solid. Best moment:
Vindman corrects Nunes after he called him "Mr. Vindman":

"Ranking member, it's Lt. Col. Vindman."

Near the end he was asked a question that when he answered received an ovation. Chilling...Deep State 4 Republicans 0

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SIGNYM

Wednesday, November 20, 2019 12:30 AM (P)

Quote:

So, you can FORGET the entire first week, and all the M$M blowhards who hyperventilated about one "bombshell" after another that turned out to be squibs? - SIGNY

Certainly not as damning as Trump's own words:

TRUMP: "The other thing, there's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."

Clear abuse of power

Huh, the President of the United States asking a foreign government to look into potential malfeasance of a US politician! "Abuse of power" or "constitutional duty"?

Quote:
bribery

What is the thing of value, and what is being offered in return? This was phrased as a favor.

Quote:
extortion

What is Trump "extorting" from Ukraine, and what is the threat that he is holding over them?

Quote:
and likely not for the first time

Even MORE made-up shit from CC!

Quote:
Hey, where have I recently heard someone else use a similar phrase in a completely phony attempt to make the next thing out of their mouth seem popular, or incontrovertible, "...a lot of people ..."

Liar. The phrase I used was
"people" not "a lot of people"... Go look it up yourself, ya maroon
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62952&p=11

I can see why reality confuses you: You insist on reading/hearing things that were never written/said. You just make up shit as you go along.

Jeez, get a grip.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, November 20, 2019 12:58 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Huh, the President of the United States asking a foreign government to look into potential malfeasance of a US politician! "Abuse of power" or "constitutional duty"?

More like extortion. You conveniently forgot to say it was conditional, "but I need you to do me a favor though..."

Your lies are so 1st grade. Try harder!

Quote:
bribery

SIGS: "What is the thing of value, and what is being offered in return? This was phrased as a favor."
- javelins, phony dirt on a political rival

Quote:
extortion

SIGS: "What is Trump "extorting" from Ukraine, and what is the threat that he is holding over them?"
- javelins, phony dirt on a political rival

Quote:
and likely not for the first time

SIGS: "Even MORE made-up shit from CC!"
- Liar. You just made up that I made up something.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Liar. The phrase I used was
"people" not "a lot of people"... Go look it up yourself, ya maroon

Liar or just plain stupid? I said, "a similar phrase." I know exactly what you said because it was so familiar and because you have become such an avid Trump follower. The people fo America? The people of the world? You hoped it would have the same effect as when Dump uses it - "a lot." Gods, you're such a Trump disciple you probably hear his voice in your head when you post! Creepy!

THG

Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:07 AM (P)

We both know G that sig is still asking the same questions she has been asking all along. This despite that they've all been answered many times now. And, all in ways that show Trumps guilt.

T

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:13 AM (P)

Well... there is no guilt, so I can only assume you're talking about your Trump fanfic that you've been co-collaborating on.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Wednesday, November 20, 2019 3:12 AM (P)

Signy, I want to point out that MUSHY misquoted the phrase:

Quote:
"but I need you to do me a favor though..."

And also trolled based on his 'stupid':

Quote:
More like extortion. You conveniently forgot to say it was conditional, "but I need you to do me a favor though..."

Your lies are so 1st grade. Try harder!

So yes, he DOES see/ hear things that never were there. The quote is:

Quote:
I would like you to do us a favor though.

And that puts it as a request, not a demand. (Aside from which, every so called witness says that Zelensky didn't know about any money ties-ins to any investigations at the time of the call. How it could possibly be extortion or even a bribe is beyond me.)

Given that that quote is the basis for his post, MUSHY SHOULD have looked it up! And Mushy COULD have looked it up, but he's too smart for that ... what with his smart phone and all.

SECOND

Wednesday, November 20, 2019 4:10 AM (P)

Americans who do not get all of their information about Ukraine from Fox News have been baffled by the Republican cross-examination of witnesses called to give public testimony in the House impeachment hearings.

There have been frequent, context-free references to something called “the black ledger” and invocations of the supposedly nefarious role of George Soros in supporting Ukrainian anti-corruption activists.

The resulting spectacle has confused viewers unfamiliar with a series of conspiratorial reports about Ukraine from the conservative columnist John Solomon, whose work has been promoted relentlessly on Fox, and caused many to simply tune the proceedings out. Virginia Tilley, a political scientist at Southern Illinois University, suggested on Twitter that making the impeachment hearings nearly incomprehensible might even be the Republican strategy.

This bizarre performance stretched into a second week on Tuesday, as Republicans sought to distract from the testimony of Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, a National Security Council expert on Ukraine, and Jennifer Williams, a Russia adviser for Vice President Mike Pence. In the hearings, the government officials called to testify so far have seemed at a loss when asked by Republicans to comment on claims of Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election presented as fact by the president’s defenders in Congress. But the witnesses don't watch Fox, so they were puzzled by the Republican conspiracy theory that it was only Ukraine, not in the least Russia, interfering.

More at https://theintercept.com/2019/11/19/republicans-use-impeachment-hearin
gs-smear-ukrainian-helped-expose-manafort/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, November 20, 2019 4:27 AM (P)

lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Wednesday, November 20, 2019 5:35 AM (P)

Democrats Seek McGahn Hearing in Next Phase (4:12 p.m.)

Citing an “urgent need” in connection with the House impeachment inquiry, Judiciary Committee Democrats asked a federal judge in Washington to rule quickly on their request to enforce a subpoena issued in April requiring testimony from former White House Counsel Don McGahn.

“Given that the House’s impeachment inquiry is proceeding rapidly, the committee has a finite window of time to effectively obtain and consider McGahn’s testimony,” committee lawyers told U.S. District Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson in a filing on Tuesday.

Jackson heard arguments Oct. 31 on whether lawmakers can compel McGahn to appear before them or whether Trump’s assertion of absolute immunity shields the attorney from being questioned.

McGahn’s testimony originally was sought for May 21 in connection with Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report on Russian interference with the 2016 presidential election and possible obstruction of that probe by Trump. The House sued in August to force him to testify.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/volker-now-recalls-sondland-st
atement-impeachment-update/ar-BBWZXqo?ocid=spartanntp

tick tock

T

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SIGNYM

Wednesday, November 20, 2019 5:47 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Signy, I want to point out that MUSHY misquoted the phrase:
Quote:
"but I need you to do me a favor though..."
And also trolled based on his 'stupid':
Quote:
More like extortion. You conveniently forgot to say it was conditional, "but I need you to do me a favor though..."

Your lies are so 1st grade. Try harder!
So yes, he DOES see/ hear things that never were there. The quote is:
Quote:
I would like you to do us a favor though.
And that puts it as a request, not a demand. (Aside from which, every so called witness says that Zelensky didn't know about any money ties-ins to any investigations at the time of the call. How it could possibly be extortion or even a bribe is beyond me.)

Given that that quote is the basis for his post, MUSHY SHOULD have looked it up! And Mushy COULD have looked it up, but he's too smart for that ... what with his smart phone and all.

Oh, I noticed the "misquote".

GSTRING "misquotes" Trump, he "misquotes" me, he "misquotes" you, and he "misquotes" SIX all the time.

He lies, and lies, and lies, and lies. He'd be a lot farther ahead, both with his own thinking and in discussion, if he'd stop lying so often.

Do you suppose, GSTRING, you could at least stop "misquoting" people and be more careful to refer to what was ACTUALLY SAID/POSTED? A least that little bit would save you from a lot of (ahem) "errors" and make your posts a lot more credible.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:36 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SICKPIGGY:
GSTRING "misquotes" Trump, he "misquotes" me, he "misquotes" you, and he "misquotes" SIX all the time.

Please show specific examples, even 1 - I'll wait.

TRUMP: "Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved."

lol

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:40 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
We both know G that sig is still asking the same questions she has been asking all along. This despite that they've all been answered many times now. And, all in ways that show Trumps guilt.

I wish SIKIKISIX would just confess and tell us who they're working for - that would be much more interesting than this weak sh*t they repost over and over.

1KIKI

Wednesday, November 20, 2019 7:01 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by MUSHY:
Please show specific examples, even 1 - I'll wait.

You really mean JUST ONE? You already have it dood. But because it's pretty obvious you don't (can't) read with comprehension, I'll post it again for your edification. And, well, because it makes you look like a stupid liar, and that's always great fun for me.

WHAT YOU "QUOTED" TRUMP AS SAYING:

Quote:
"but I need you to do me a favor though..."

WHAT TRUMP ACTUALLY SAID:

Quote:
I would like you to do us a favor though.

Flies shit.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, November 20, 2019 7:31 AM (P)

Quote:
7:46 P.M. — Morrison once again confirms he didn’t hear anything unlawful during the Trump-Zelensky call.

7:45 P.M. — Morrison confirms each time Sondland told him he had spoken with President Trump, he checked the call logs to see it occurred.

7:40 P.M. — Volker: “Ambassador Sondland is a big personality and sometimes he says things that might be a bit bigger than life.”

7:35 P.M. — Volker on Sondland: “He cared about Ukraine. He wanted to see U.S. support to Ukraine increased.”

7:30 P.M. — Morrison: “I did not understand [investigating the Biden family] as a policy objective.”

Volker and Morrison both say they have no evidence of quid pro quo, bribery or treason https://t.co/xHzl0V73EQ pic.twitter.com/7eCmuCRRF9
— CBS News (@CBSNews) November 20, 2019

***

6:35 p.m. Morrison on Vindman:

Top official Tim Morrison said Alexander Vindman's bosses had a lot of concerns about him:

-Judgement
-Potential leaker
-Did not keep his bosses in the loop on what he was doing
-Went around his bosses' backs
-Was mad he was cut out of working on Ukraine pic.twitter.com/Z9qgSVs9dt
— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) November 19, 2019

5:35 p.m. Morrison testifies that he heard nothing wrong on the July 25 Trump-Zelensky call. Wanted access restricted to the transcript over leak concerns.

Flies shit

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

THG

Wednesday, November 20, 2019 4:31 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
We both know G that sig is still asking the same questions she has been asking all along. This despite that they've all been answered many times now. And, all in ways that show Trumps guilt.

I wish SIKIKISIX would just confess and tell us who they're working for - that would be much more interesting than this weak sh*t they repost over and over.

We know G. Skinheadsix is well, a skinhead. Sig and kiki are Russian polish decedents who as shown here, hate this country and are loyal to Putin.

T

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THG

Wednesday, November 20, 2019 4:56 PM (P)

This is what it's all about...Deep State at it's best!
T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, November 20, 2019 7:18 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:
Originally posted by MUSHY:
Please show specific examples, even 1 - I'll wait.

You really mean JUST ONE? You already have it dood. But because it's pretty obvious you don't (can't) read with comprehension, I'll post it again for your edification. And, well, because it makes you look like a stupid liar, and that's always great fun for me.

WHAT YOU "QUOTED" TRUMP AS SAYING:
Quote:
"but I need you to do me a favor though..."
WHAT TRUMP ACTUALLY SAID:
Quote:
I would like you to do us a favor though.

Flies shit.

Poor Kiki. So desperate for a "win" she hangs on every little thing hoping to get lucky, hoping someone will misspell a word or drop a comma, like someone on their knees searching the floor of a phone booth looking for loose change. Paraphrasing, summarizing, using quotes to denote spoken word over copied text - totally acceptable. Just ask Hemingway. What's amusing is she makes these tiny claims totally forgetting that everything she posts is against the backdrop of her perpetuating the biggest lie in FFF.Net history.

And here she is again, propping up another big whopper of a lie. She chooses to "believe" a "favor" from the strongest country on the planet - the only one that can help Ukraine defend itself from an invading Russian army - is not "if you want to," (paraphrasing btw - see how that works with the quotes?). It's a demand, it's a fundamental condition of getting those javelins you need to defend your country. Even Repubs are no longer denying QPQ. They're just acting like it's okay.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:57 PM (P)

Look how nasty they're getting.

Their impeachment dreams are falling apart before their eyes, just like I told them they would, and they're bringing the salt.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, November 20, 2019 10:29 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Their impeachment dreams are falling apart before their eyes, just like I told them they would, and they're bringing the salt.

lol

Name a single person here who thought Trump would be removed via Impeachment. No one. I've even said a number of times he would probably win in 2020. Not sure where you're getting your "facks" from.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, November 20, 2019 10:33 PM (P)

So we're in agreement that this is a gross waste of time and taxpayer dollars.

Good.

Be a dear and let Nancy Pelosi know. She didn't get the memo.

https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/111819-1

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, November 20, 2019 10:36 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
We both know G that sig is still asking the same questions she has been asking all along. This despite that they've all been answered many times now. And, all in ways that show Trumps guilt.

I wish SIKIKISIX would just confess and tell us who they're working for - that would be much more interesting than this weak sh*t they repost over and over.

We know G. Skinheadsix is well, a skinhead. Sig and kiki are Russian polish decedents who as shown here, hate this country and are loyal to Putin.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

Dude. Are we still going on about this?

You need to bring evidence to the table that suggests that I'm racist. You haven't yet.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Wednesday, November 20, 2019 11:18 PM (P)

Quote:

Please show specific examples, even 1 - I'll wait.- GTSRING

You really mean JUST ONE? You already have it dood. But because it's pretty obvious you don't (can't) read with comprehension, I'll post it again for your edification. And, well, because it makes you look like a stupid liar, and that's always great fun for me.

WHAT YOU "QUOTED" TRUMP AS SAYING:
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"but I need you to do me a favor though..."
WHAT TRUMP ACTUALLY SAID:
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I would like you to do us a favor though.

Poor Kiki. So desperate for a "win" she hangs on every little thing hoping to get lucky, hoping someone will misspell a word or drop a comma, like someone on their knees searching the floor of a phone booth looking for loose change. Paraphrasing, summarizing, using quotes to denote spoken word over copied text - totally acceptable. Just ask Hemingway. What's amusing is she makes these tiny claims totally forgetting that everything she posts is against the backdrop of her perpetuating the biggest lie in FFF.Net history. - GSTRING

Which "lie" is that? The lie that Saddam had WMD? The lie that Qaddafi was "massacring his own people"? The lie that "Russia invaded Ukraine"? The lie that "Trump colluded with Russia"? That KIKI is a "Russian troll"?

There've been a lot of lies perpetuated here, so help me out and pinpoint which SPECIFIC lie you're refering to.

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And here she is again, propping up another big whopper of a lie. She chooses to "believe" a "favor" from the strongest country on the planet - the only one that can help Ukraine defend itself from an invading Russian army - is not "if you want to," (paraphrasing btw - see how that works with the quotes?). It's a demand, it's a fundamental condition of getting those javelins you need to defend your country. Even Repubs are no longer denying QPQ.

Because they don't have to. Nobody has shown evidence that QPQ was in the works or that Zelenskiy was party to it. Zelenskiy himself denies it. What I'm hearing is that SOME people were very unhappy that Trump was deciding foreign policy because they felt like THEY should be in control.

Yanno what your post tells me GSTRING? That YOU'RE so desperate for a "win" that you're posting about commas and phone booths and loose change(!)

if you were aware of even the slightest firsthand testimony that supported your (skewed) belief, you'd be all over it like white on rice. But you're not. You;re posting just one desperate deflection after another.

The Democrats haven't been able to demonstrate to anyone that QPQ happened, or move the needle on public opinion with their "show trial". They just might destroy their party tho, if we're lucky.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

SECOND

Wednesday, November 20, 2019 11:37 PM (P)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The Democrats haven't been able to demonstrate to anyone that QPQ happened, or move the needle on public opinion with their "show trial". They just might destroy their party tho, if we're lucky.

Gordon Sondland has decided that he doesn’t want to stand trial for perjury after all:

Gordon D. Sondland, the Republican megadonor turned ambassador to the European Union, told the House Intelligence Committee on Wednesday that he and other advisers to President Trump pressured Ukraine to investigate Democrats “because the president directed us to do so.”

“Secretary Perry, Ambassador Volker and I worked with Mr. Rudy Giuliani on Ukraine matters at the express direction of the president of the United States,” Mr. Sondland told the committee. “We did not want to work with Mr. Giuliani. Simply put, we were playing the hand we were dealt.” With no alternative, he said, “we followed the president’s orders.”

Mr. Sondland confirmed what has already been known, that there was a clear “quid pro quo” linking a coveted White House meeting for Ukraine’s president to the investigations Mr. Trump wanted. And he said he was concerned about “a potential quid pro quo” linking $391 million in security aid that Mr. Trump suspended to the investigations he desired.

I’m not sure how many people have to testify about this before it becomes a simple fact, but it’s obviously a simple fact. Donald Trump wanted a public announcement that Burisma and the Bidens were being investigated, and only then would he release Ukraine’s military aid and agree to a White House meeting with Ukraine’s president. He tried to leverage American foreign policy for personal gain, and that’s about as impeachable as it gets.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/11/sondland-yeah-it-was-trump/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Wednesday, November 20, 2019 11:49 PM (P)

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WASHINGTON — U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland made a significant change to his testimony to House impeachment investigators this week: He said he now remembers telling a top aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy that Ukraine would not receive U.S. military assistance until it committed to investigating the 2016 election and former Vice President Joe Biden.

... According to the new sworn declaration, Sondland told Congress that his memory was "refreshed" after reviewing the opening statements given to Congress by Bill Taylor, the acting ambassador to Ukraine, and Tim Morrison, a former adviser to Trump on Russian and European affairs.

As I recall, his explanation as to how this could have happened was I was in meetings but I didn't know what anyone was talking about, but since other people told me what they think was going on, I NOW understand what was happening

Yep, makes sense to me.

Well, let's see how this all sorts out.

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I’m not sure how many people have to testify ...

Well, I think we can junk most of the "testimony" because none of those people actually witnessed anything. It was all, literally, gossip, and they "testified" purely for the "show trial" aspect. So you can have a mountain of people all "testifying" and their "testimony" is worth spit. It seems to me that we need the testimony of the people at each end of the QPQ- the officials who transmitted it, and the officials who received it. Not gossip and heresay.

Also, according to Sondland, this was all about a "coveted meeting with Trump", NOT military aid. So ...??? Waiting to see what else is said, and if it makes any sense.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

SECOND

Thursday, November 21, 2019 12:00 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Well, let's see how this all sorts out.

We already know how this sorts out: Are you believing what Trump said the witnesses said? Or are you believing the witnesses? If you check Trump's twitter, Trump is claiming Sondland said the exact opposite of what Sondland said to Congress, while Sondland was under oath. https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1197221111706128384

What Trump is doing with Sondland's testimony is more sophisticated than usual. His usual is to simply call the witness a liar, a Never Trumper, a Democrat.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Thursday, November 21, 2019 12:17 AM (P)

He said he now remembers telling a top aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy that Ukraine would not receive U.S. military assistance until it committed to investigating the 2016 election and former Vice President Joe Biden.

According to the new sworn declaration, Sondland told Congress that his memory was "refreshed" after reviewing the opening statements given to Congress by Bill Taylor, the acting ambassador to Ukraine, and Tim Morrison, a former adviser to Trump on Russian and European affairs.

ondland said that by the beginning of September, he “presumed that the aid suspension had become linked to the proposed anti-corruption statement.”

Sondland said he also now remembered a Sept. 1 conversation in Warsaw with Andriy Yermak, a top Zelenskiy adviser, in which he told Yermak that "the resumption of U.S. aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks."

At points in his testimony, Sondland had problems recalling key events described by other witnesses.

Asked about a July 10 meeting with White House and Ukrainian officials where Sondland allegedly said he’d worked out a deal with acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney that Zelenskiy could have a meeting with the president if Ukraine opened “investigations,” Sondland said he couldn’t remember.

But maybe he can be induced to "remember" later?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

SIGNYM

Thursday, November 21, 2019 12:18 AM (P)

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He said he now remembers telling a top aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy that Ukraine would not receive U.S. military assistance until it committed to investigating the 2016 election and former Vice President Joe Biden.

According to the new sworn declaration, Sondland told Congress that his memory was "refreshed" after reviewing the opening statements given to Congress by Bill Taylor, the acting ambassador to Ukraine, and Tim Morrison, a former adviser to Trump on Russian and European affairs.

ondland said that by the beginning of September, he “presumed that the aid suspension had become linked to the proposed anti-corruption statement.”

Sondland said he also now remembered a Sept. 1 conversation in Warsaw with Andriy Yermak, a top Zelenskiy adviser, in which he told Yermak that "the resumption of U.S. aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks."

At points in his testimony, Sondland had problems recalling key events described by other witnesses.

Asked about a July 10 meeting with White House and Ukrainian officials where Sondland allegedly said he’d worked out a deal with acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney that Zelenskiy could have a meeting with the president if Ukraine opened “investigations,” Sondland said he couldn’t remember.

But maybe he can be induced to "remember" later?

In any case, I find nothing wrong with politicians trading favors, and I find nothing wrong with Trump asking that investigation into American involvement in Burisma be revived, and Ukrainian involvement in our 2016 election be initiated. I think they SHOULD be looked into.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

SECOND

Thursday, November 21, 2019 12:26 AM (P)

Signym, you are even more sophisticated than Trump, who merely changed the words coming out of Sondland's mouth to the precise words Trump wanted Sondland to say. Instead, Signym, you are calling into question Sondland's memory of what happened. Kudos, Signym, for doing a better job than Trump at saving Trump.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Thursday, November 21, 2019 12:41 AM (P)

What everyone seems to forget is that Trump asked Zelensky to coordinate the investigation THROUGH BARR. He wasn't asking for a conviction, or for the Ukrainian legal system to independently sick itself on Burisma/ Biden - he wanted it coordinated THROUGH BARR. He was doing an intro, the same way he did the intro with Italy and Australia ... ** OBVIOUSLY ** as part of an official investigation with US involvement.

"Well, thank you very much and I appreciate that. I will tell Rudy and Attorney General Barr to call."

SECOND

Thursday, November 21, 2019 12:48 AM (P)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

In any case, I find nothing wrong with politicians trading favors, and I find nothing wrong with Trump asking that investigation into American involvement in Burisma be revived, and Ukrainian involvement in our 2016 election be initiated. I think they SHOULD be looked into.

America needs to hear — under oath — from Pompeo, Perry, Pence, and Bolton about all your concerns, Signym. Remember - under oath. It's okay if those four big shots refuse to answer some questions, but not okay if they refuse to testify at all.

Sondland’s bombshell testimony demands answers from top officials.

Wednesday morning’s testimony from Ambassador Gordon Sondland was full of bombshells, including sworn testimony that he had a conversation with Vice President Mike Pence in Poland about the linkage between the suspension of aid and Trump’s desire for investigations into Biden, the former vice president. “Everyone was in the loop,” according to Sondland — a point he insisted on at several points during his opening statement, asserting that all the top officials in the Trump administration understood what was happening.

Pence, via a spokesman, says this isn’t true. Will Pence repeat that under oath? https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1197191132310114304

Someone is mistaken — or lying — here. And given that scrupulous honesty is not exactly a hallmark of the Trump administration, it’s certainly possible that it could be either of them. The difference is that Sondland has testified, in person, before Congress, while Pence is putting out a statement through a spokesperson.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Thursday, November 21, 2019 1:39 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
“Everyone was in the loop,” according to Sondland

Except Zelensky. OOPS. Who forgot to tell him?

Flies shit.

SECOND

Thursday, November 21, 2019 2:20 AM (P)

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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Originally posted by second:
“Everyone was in the loop,” according to Sondland
Except Zelensky. OOPS. Who forgot to tell him?

Can the President of Ukraine be punished, even theoretically, if he lies to the House? You might as well ask Vladimir Putin to testify before the House about Election 2016. Unfortunately for Putin, he will have to be held inside the US until his statements to the House can be verified or else his testimony under oath would be meaningless because he could lie without consequences. If he won't agree to be held, his testimony is worthless.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JO753

Thursday, November 21, 2019 2:59 AM (P)

99.99% uv Republican sheepl will not woc the hearingz directly. Insted, they will save a bunch uv time and go to their favorit eko chamber outlet to get the edited version.

Several peeps I know in RL are Trump Chumps. I rote this email to them:

>>>
Are you wocing the impeachment hearingz?

No.

I no this bekuz you it wont tell you wut you want to hir.

Insted, you will go to get the reprossessed version found in the eko chamber.

In that version, you will see the best chunks uv the latest episodez uv Devin Nunes'z popular Trump iz the Good Gi seriez. In this seazon The Donald iz battling a massiv attak from the dispicable Democrat Party in wich they are trying to undo the 2016 election and rig the 2020 election. Hiz long time nemesis, Hillary Clinton, iz joined by a powerful new Darth Vaderish henchmen, Adam 'shifty' Schiff. Hold on to your hat az Devin expertly leadz you into an enthralling tale uv swashbuckling dare devil exploits and enthralling political intreeg!
<<<

I'v been wocing. Today I wuz haf expecting Sondland to either break out laffing during Nunes'z fable or wave hiz hand and say "Shut up! I'm going to save my own ass and tell everything."

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

SECOND

Thursday, November 21, 2019 3:03 AM (P)

Republicans voters and politicians aren’t going to agree to remove Trump. Everything that’s happening here is political display for the benefit of the "Independent" voters. And to that end it would be extremely edifying to have extended public discussion of why the White House is stonewalling and why we can’t find out more about exactly who did what when.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Thursday, November 21, 2019 3:24 AM (P)

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Originally posted by second:
“Everyone was in the loop,” according to Sondland

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Except Zelensky. OOPS. Who forgot to tell him?

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Originally posted by second:
Can the President of Ukraine be punished, even theoretically, if he lies to the House?

Well, you certainly are willing to accept second- third- fourth- nth-hand testimony without any evidence ... so why would you gag at accepting the first-hand testimony of people who really know? AND WHY WOULD YOU GAG AT THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE CALL?

A billion flies eat shit.

THG

Thursday, November 21, 2019 3:50 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:

Poor Kiki. So desperate for a "win" she hangs on every little thing hoping to get lucky, hoping someone will misspell a word or drop a comma, like someone on their knees searching the floor of a phone booth looking for loose change. Paraphrasing, summarizing, using quotes to denote spoken word over copied text - totally acceptable. Just ask Hemingway. What's amusing is she makes these tiny claims totally forgetting that everything she posts is against the backdrop of her perpetuating the biggest lie in FFF.Net history.

And here she is again, propping up another big whopper of a lie. She chooses to "believe" a "favor" from the strongest country on the planet - the only one that can help Ukraine defend itself from an invading Russian army - is not "if you want to," (paraphrasing btw - see how that works with the quotes?). It's a demand, it's a fundamental condition of getting those javelins you need to defend your country. Even Repubs are no longer denying QPQ. They're just acting like it's okay.

Yep, dead on G, dead on.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

1KIKI

Thursday, November 21, 2019 5:30 AM (P)

Just to remind everyone what all this frou-frou is about - here's the link to the transcript of the call.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2
019.pdf

But I guess it's just a little thing.

A billion flies eat shit.

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