Countdown Clock, Trumps Removal 'Starts'
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Well then, don't enjoy it. Whatever.
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The heart of the impeachment charges against Trump
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/01/ukrainegate-is-all-about-a-pers
onal-benefit/
There’s the matter of the Ukrainian aid. Republicans perceive Democrats as simply ignoring the long history of administrations using aid to reward or punish foreign governments for their actions.
This is it. The big difference between Trump and Biden — and everyone else — is that Trump used military aid as a way to extort a personal benefit from Ukraine. That’s the start and the finish of the whole thing. If he had used military aid as bait to get Ukraine to fall in line with American interests in one way or another, no one would have blinked. But Republicans pretend that Joe Biden did the same thing, withholding aid to Ukraine in return for firing a prosecutor who was investigating Hunter Biden. This is simply a lie. Biden was publicly carrying out US policy which was supported by the president, the State Department, and virtually all of Europe.
Trump used the aid as bait to get a personal favor from Ukraine: namely an investigation into an opponent in a presidential campaign. That’s as plain an example of abuse of power as you could imagine. And after he was caught, Trump didn’t apologize or promise not to do it again or anything like that. He conducted a scorched-earth attack that left Democrats with no choice but to impeach.
Lots of my fellow liberals have been calling for Trump’s impeachment practically since he was elected. I haven’t. As much as I loathe the man, I didn’t think he had done any single truly impeachable thing, and I also wasn’t sure that impeachment was politically wise anyway. Then came Ukraine. I continued to think that impeachment might be politically unwise, but it took only a few weeks for the question of whether Trump’s actions were impeachable to become obvious. Of course they were. Secretly withholding congressionally approved military aid in return for a personal benefit? Putting responsibility for this in the hands of his personal lawyer instead of US diplomats? Instructing aides to lie to Congress about what was going on? Politically wise or not, of course Trump had to be impeached over this. It would be both cowardly and a mockery of the Constitution to do otherwise.
But this all hangs on the fact that Trump’s price was personal, not national. This is the thing that I suspect hardly anyone really gets. Investigating a campaign opponent is a personal benefit. In an autocracy, campaigns are treated as mere appendages of governing, but in democracies they aren’t. We’re a democracy.
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Mitch McConnell has one goal here: to keep the trial short and the public bored enough not to watch it. Refusing to allow new evidence is part of that: it ensures that nobody bothers turning on their TV in hopes that something new and exciting will happen. With no new testimony, what then is the point of watching?
As long as the trial is short and dull, McConnell wins. Very few people even know who John Bolton and Mick Mulvaney are, let alone whether they avoided having to testify.
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Ratings were already abysmal by the end of the Democrat house sham. No reason to think that anybody is going to tune into them now. Most people have already moved on.
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Ratings were already abysmal by the end of the Democrat house sham. No reason to think that anybody is going to tune into them now. Most people have already moved on.
Probably because most people know he's guilty af and they also know the math is against removing him. So no surprises, no drama - dullsville.
Now, if they could call witnesses and get 'Stache and Harry Potter on the stand... that'd be must see tv.
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Mitch McConnell has one goal here: to keep the trial short and the public bored enough not to watch it. Refusing to allow new evidence is part of that: it ensures that nobody bothers turning on their TV in hopes that something new and exciting will happen. With no new testimony, what then is the point of watching?
As long as the trial is short and dull, McConnell wins. Very few people even know who John Bolton and Mick Mulvaney are, let alone whether they avoided having to testify.
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The Senate itself is on trial
The first question is whether Senate Republicans will hear all the relevant evidence or merely orchestrate a coverup. There are many fact witnesses who have not yet testified, including the president himself, and floods of relevant new documents emerge virtually daily. To actually try the case, the Senate must hear those witnesses and consider those documents. To refuse to do so is to deny the implicit constitutional mandate requiring an honest and good faith proceeding in the Senate to establish the truth.
Those Republicans feel compelled to engage in such transgressions for an imperative political reason. They recognize that they must exclude those witnesses and documents because they would further support the case against Trump. Indeed, their determination to exclude that very evidence testifies to their recognition that, if it is considered fairly, the additional information would almost certainly require that they convict Trump.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-senate-itself-is-on-trial/a
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And here is the second article of impeachment against Richard Nixon:
He misused the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Secret Service, and other executive personnel, in violation or disregard of the constitutional rights of citizens, by directing or authorizing such agencies or personnel to conduct or continue electronic surveillance or other investigations for purposes unrelated to national security, the enforcement of laws, or any other lawful function of his office….
Back in 1974, directing an “investigation” for purposes “unrelated” to lawful functions of the office produced a 27-11 vote in the Judiciary Committee for impeachment. Those 11 votes against impeachment? That was 11 Republicans. If the vote was today, all the Republicans would have been against impeachment of Nixon. Today, extorting an investigation from Ukraine for personal gain produces nothing but sophistry from Republicans.
It is plain to everyone that Trump’s lengthy battering of Ukraine — which went on for months and months — was not a legitimate use of his office. He never asked Ukraine to take action against corruption in general. He asked for only one thing: an investigation of Hunter Biden. That’s it. That’s all he wanted. And it was worth millions of dollars to him, far more than any ordinary illegal campaign contribution delivered in a plain black suitcase.
https://watergate.info/impeachment/articles-of-impeachment
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Stick a fork in him. Shifty Schiff is done.
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The Senate itself is on trial
No. It's not.
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Quote:If the Republican Senators weren't toads, they would rid themselves of Trump over his handling of tariffs:
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The Senate itself is on trial
No. It's not.
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So here’s the story: Donald Trump has abused the powers of his office to threaten a U.S. ally. His threat is probably illegal; his refusal to produce documents about his decision process is definitely illegal. And his claims about the motivation for his actions don’t pass the laugh test.
You probably think that I’m talking about Trump’s attempt to pressure Ukraine into producing political dirt on Joe Biden by withholding aid, and the subsequent cover-up — you know, the stuff for which he has been impeached (and that half the country believes should lead to his removal from office). But there’s another, somewhat similar story: his repeated threats to impose prohibitive tariffs on imports of automobiles from Europe.
Granted, the auto tariff story isn’t as vile as the Ukraine story, and it poses less of a direct threat to a fair election. But it’s recognizably part of the same syndrome: abuse of presidential power, contempt for the rule of law, and dishonesty about motivations.
Some background: U.S. tariffs — taxes on imports — are normally set the same way we set other taxes, through legislation that must pass Congress and then be signed by the president. The law does, however, give the president discretion to impose temporary tariffs under certain circumstances, for example to give U.S. industries a breathing space in the face of sudden import surges, to counter foreign export subsidies or to protect national security (Section 232).
Until Trump, Section 232 cases were rare. He has, however, used the national security justification for tariffs with abandon, and zero regard for plausibility. Canadian aluminum poses a national security risk? Really?
And so it was that in 2018 the Trump administration announced that it was beginning a Section 232 investigation of auto imports, especially from Europe and Japan. Every trade expert I know considered the notion that German or Japanese cars constitute a threat to national security absurd. Nonetheless, in 2019 a report from the Commerce Department concluded that auto imports do, indeed, endanger national security.
What was the basis for this conclusion? Well, we don’t actually know — because the Trump administration has refused to release the report.
This stonewalling is clearly illegal. The statute requires that all portions of the Commerce report that don’t contain classified or proprietary information be published in the Federal Register, and it’s hard to believe that any of the report contains such information, let alone the whole thing. Furthermore, Congress inserted a provision in a spending bill last month specifically requiring that the Trump administration turn over the report.
Why won’t Trump obey the law and hand over the document? My guess is that his people are afraid to let anyone see the Commerce report because it’s embarrassingly thin and incompetent. To be honest, I have some doubts about whether the report even exists.
More at www.nytimes.com/2020/01/23/opinion/trump-auto-tariff.html
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Right Matters...
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About 72% agreed that the trial should allow witnesses with firsthand knowledge of the impeachment charges to testify, including 84% of Democrats and 69% of Republicans. And 70% of the public, including 80% of Democrats and 73% of Republicans, said senators should act as impartial jurors during the trial.
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Originally posted by THG:
The Senate itself is on trial
No. It's not.
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So here’s the story: Donald Trump has abused the powers of his office to threaten a U.S. ally. His threat is probably illegal; his refusal to produce documents about his decision process is definitely illegal. And his claims about the motivation for his actions don’t pass the laugh test.
You probably think that I’m talking about Trump’s attempt to pressure Ukraine into producing political dirt on Joe Biden by withholding aid, and the subsequent cover-up — you know, the stuff for which he has been impeached (and that half the country believes should lead to his removal from office). But there’s another, somewhat similar story: his repeated threats to impose prohibitive tariffs on imports of automobiles from Europe.
Granted, the auto tariff story isn’t as vile as the Ukraine story, and it poses less of a direct threat to a fair election. But it’s recognizably part of the same syndrome: abuse of presidential power, contempt for the rule of law, and dishonesty about motivations.
Some background: U.S. tariffs — taxes on imports — are normally set the same way we set other taxes, through legislation that must pass Congress and then be signed by the president. The law does, however, give the president discretion to impose temporary tariffs under certain circumstances, for example to give U.S. industries a breathing space in the face of sudden import surges, to counter foreign export subsidies or to protect national security (Section 232).
Until Trump, Section 232 cases were rare. He has, however, used the national security justification for tariffs with abandon, and zero regard for plausibility. Canadian aluminum poses a national security risk? Really?
And so it was that in 2018 the Trump administration announced that it was beginning a Section 232 investigation of auto imports, especially from Europe and Japan. Every trade expert I know considered the notion that German or Japanese cars constitute a threat to national security absurd. Nonetheless, in 2019 a report from the Commerce Department concluded that auto imports do, indeed, endanger national security.
What was the basis for this conclusion? Well, we don’t actually know — because the Trump administration has refused to release the report.
This stonewalling is clearly illegal. The statute requires that all portions of the Commerce report that don’t contain classified or proprietary information be published in the Federal Register, and it’s hard to believe that any of the report contains such information, let alone the whole thing. Furthermore, Congress inserted a provision in a spending bill last month specifically requiring that the Trump administration turn over the report.
Why won’t Trump obey the law and hand over the document? My guess is that his people are afraid to let anyone see the Commerce report because it’s embarrassingly thin and incompetent. To be honest, I have some doubts about whether the report even exists.
More at www.nytimes.com/2020/01/23/opinion/trump-auto-tariff.html
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Right Matters
About 72% agreed that the trial should allow witnesses with firsthand knowledge of the impeachment charges to testify, including 84% of Democrats and 69% of Republicans. And 70% of the public, including 80% of Democrats and 73% of Republicans, said senators should act as impartial jurors during the trial.
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So in other words... America wants the Senate to handle this like adults after the children in the house did what children do.
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Right Matters
About 72% agreed that the trial should allow witnesses with firsthand knowledge of the impeachment charges to testify, including 84% of Democrats and 69% of Republicans. And 70% of the public, including 80% of Democrats and 73% of Republicans, said senators should act as impartial jurors during the trial.
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So in other words... America wants the Senate to handle this like adults after the children in the house did what children do.
Rather than sitting in anticipation Jack. Stewing, while awaiting others posts so you can challenge them. You should pay attention to facts that are being posted. Do this, so you don’t appear to be little more than an angry troll; ignorant to the truth.
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Quote:What you mean is you're like every other Trump voter (excluding the rich ones): too slow, too incurious to learn what is happening all around you. Instead, you miss all the opportunities to make life easier that are everywhere in America, but only for those who pay attention, never for those who already know it all and are certain they have all the commonsense they will ever need.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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If you needed a reminder of what’s at stake in President Trump’s impeachment trial currently underway in the Senate, the danger Trump’s pattern of behavior poses for all of us for as long as he is president, Rep. Adam Schiff cut through the moral clutter Thursday during his closing statement. It’s been a long three years, and even if you know Trump committed a crime or simply violated the oath of his office, it’s easy to be lulled into the GOP-induced nihilism that maybe this isn’t such a big deal, maybe it’s normal, and finally maybe it’s too much, too far to remove a president, even Donald Trump, from office for it.
To this ethical fog, created by Republican relativism, Schiff provides a succinct and often stirring rebuttal, reminding reasonable, likeminded Americans, first, to trust themselves. Schiff then makes the case for why Trump is dangerous to America’s national interest and thereby dangerous to Americans themselves.
Quote:More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/01/adam-schiff-stirring-argum
Does anybody really question whether the President is capable of what he’s charged with? No one is really making the argument that Donald Trump would never do such a thing, because of course we know that he would, and of course we know that he did.
It’s a somewhat different question though to ask, okay, it’s pretty obvious, whether we can say it publicly or we can’t say it publicly, we all know what we’re dealing here with this President. But does he really need to be removed? And this is why he needs to be removed: Donald Trump chose Rudy Giuliani over his own intelligence agencies. He chose Rudy Giuliani over his own FBI Director. He chose Rudy Giuliani over his own national security advisers.
When all of them were telling him this Ukraine 2016 stuff is kooky, crazy Russian propaganda. He chose not to believe them. He chose to believe Rudy Giuliani. That makes him dangerous to us, to our country. That was Donald Trump’s choice. Now, why would Donald Trump believe a man like Rudy Giuliani over a man like Christopher Wray? Okay. Why would anyone in their right mind believe Rudy Giuliani over Christopher Wray?
Because he wanted to and because what Rudy was offering him was something that would help him personally. And what Christopher Wray was offering him was merely the truth. What Christopher Wray was offering him was merely the information he needed to protect his country and its elections, but that’s not good enough. What’s in it for him? What’s in it for Donald Trump? This is why he needs to be removed.
Now, you may be asking how much damage can he really do in the next several months until the election? A lot. A lot of damage.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:What you mean is you're like every other Trump voter (excluding the rich ones): too slow, too incurious to learn what is happening all around you. Instead, you miss all the opportunities to make life easier that are everywhere in America, but only for those who pay attention, never for those who already know it all and are certain they have all the commonsense they will ever need.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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No. I just find your inane rambling and daily show of hypocrisy to be extremely boring.
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Quote:A flash from the past - November 29, 2018:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I just find your inane rambling and daily show of hypocrisy to be extremely boring.
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The third remarkable thing about Cohen’s plea was its substance. The president of the United States’ personal lawyer admitted to lying to Congress about the president’s business activities with a hostile foreign power, in order to support the president’s story. In any rational era, that would be earthshaking. Now it’s barely a blip. Over the past two years, we’ve become accustomed to headlines like “President’s Campaign Manager Convicted of Fraud” and “President’s Personal Lawyer Paid for Adult Actress’s Silence.” We’re numb to it all. But these are the sorts of developments that would, under normal circumstances, end a presidency.
www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/11/three-remarkable-things-abou
t-michael-cohens-plea/577015/
Trump, who has followed this drama obsessively, knew that his personal lawyer was lying to Congress about his business activities, and stood by while it happened.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I just find your inane rambling and daily show of hypocrisy to be extremely boring.
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The third remarkable thing about Cohen’s plea was its substance. The president of the United States’ personal lawyer admitted to lying to Congress about the president’s business activities with a hostile foreign power, in order to support the president’s story. In any rational era, that would be earthshaking. Now it’s barely a blip. Over the past two years, we’ve become accustomed to headlines like “President’s Campaign Manager Convicted of Fraud” and “President’s Personal Lawyer Paid for Adult Actress’s Silence.” We’re numb to it all. But these are the sorts of developments that would, under normal circumstances, end a presidency.
www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/11/three-remarkable-things-abou
t-michael-cohens-plea/577015/
Trump, who has followed this drama obsessively, knew that his personal lawyer was lying to Congress about his business activities, and stood by while it happened.
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Yes. We are numb to it all. Maybe the fucking chicken little Legacy Media should not inundate stupid people with stupid bullshit 24/7 so that legitimate gripes aren't washed away by idiocy.
I blame you, stupid.
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Quote:That is exactly like blaming McDonald's, Pizza Hut, and Burger King for serving too much food. Why Are We So Fat?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yes. We are numb to it all. Maybe the fucking chicken little Legacy Media should not inundate stupid people with stupid bullshit 24/7 so that legitimate gripes aren't washed away by idiocy.
I blame you, stupid.
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www.nationalgeographic.com/science/health-and-human-body/human-body/fa
t-costs/
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A blast from the past – the 20th Century:
Year after year, Mr. Trump lost more money than nearly any other individual American taxpayer when his results were compared with detailed information the I.R.S. compiles on an annual sampling of high-income earners. His core business losses in 1990 and 1991 — more than $250 million each year — were more than double those of the nearest taxpayers in the I.R.S. information for those years.
From 1986 through 1988, while his core businesses languished under increasingly unsupportable debt, Mr. Trump made millions of dollars in the stock market by suggesting that he was about to take over companies. But the figures show that he lost most, if not all, of those gains after investors stopped taking his takeover talk seriously.
Trump has filed lawsuits against his banks and accounting firm to prevent them from turning over tax returns and other financial records and therefore we can’t place a number on Trump’s more recent incompetence at running his businesses.
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/07/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.
html
Trump, at 73, is as financial incompetent and fiscally untruthful as he was in his 40’s. How can you know for sure, since he has 3 Supreme Court cases pending to keep his tax returns secret when laws say he is suppose to make his returns public? You only need to look at the accelerating National Debt to know that. If he actually understood money, and his business history says he does not, the debt would decrease during boom times, or at least decelerate the increase.
www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/12/13/donald-trump-tax-finan
cial-data-supreme-court/4410231002/
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A blast from the past – the 20th Century:
Year after year, Mr. Trump lost more money than nearly any other individual American taxpayer when his results were compared with detailed information the I.R.S. compiles on an annual sampling of high-income earners. His core business losses in 1990 and 1991 — more than $250 million each year — were more than double those of the nearest taxpayers in the I.R.S. information for those years.
From 1986 through 1988, while his core businesses languished under increasingly unsupportable debt, Mr. Trump made millions of dollars in the stock market by suggesting that he was about to take over companies. But the figures show that he lost most, if not all, of those gains after investors stopped taking his takeover talk seriously.
Trump has filed lawsuits against his banks and accounting firm to prevent them from turning over tax returns and other financial records and therefore we can’t place a number on Trump’s more recent incompetence at running his businesses.
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/07/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.
html
Trump, at 73, is as financial incompetent and fiscally untruthful as he was in his 40’s. How can you know for sure, since he has 3 Supreme Court cases pending to keep his tax returns secret when laws say he is suppose to make his returns public? You only need to look at the accelerating National Debt to know that. If he actually understood money, and his business history says he does not, the debt would decrease during boom times, or at least decelerate the increase.
www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/12/13/donald-trump-tax-finan
cial-data-supreme-court/4410231002/
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lol
Yanno, given that we've long since moved to a currency beyond money and built on nothing but ones and zeros floating around in the ether that can't even be backed up by the printed monopoly money anymore, the ONLY thing that keeps the US currency value is faith.
That's something that I've heard my entire freakin' life, but it's never been more true than it is today with $22 Trillion+ debt.
That being said, it's not idiots like you that I'm worried about, when stories like these come out. It's the rest of the world that somehow still thinks it's a good idea to base every other currency against ours, and those who would like nothing more than to untie the US dollar from Oil. (Russia IS on that list, BTW)
Because of this, Russ Buettner and Susanne Craig and the NYT in general are putting out propaganda that is tantamount to treason.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:That is exactly like blaming McDonald's, Pizza Hut, and Burger King for serving too much food. Why Are We So Fat?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yes. We are numb to it all. Maybe the fucking chicken little Legacy Media should not inundate stupid people with stupid bullshit 24/7 so that legitimate gripes aren't washed away by idiocy.
I blame you, stupid.
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t-costs/
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I don't know? I'm not fat.
Why is your brain so fat, dude? You're the one who's overindulged with this bullshit and you're still addicted to more.
I abstain from fast food and fake news.
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Quote:If America falls apart, it won't be because of ones and zeros. It will be because too many fat, lazy and stupid Americans dying from the CO2 they dumped into their own air. Fat, lazy, stupid and obnoxious describes Trump. He is the number one dumper of CO2 and proud of it. "The US military is a bigger polluter than more than 100 countries combined":
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
Yanno, given that we've long since moved to a currency beyond money and built on nothing but ones and zeros floating around in the ether that can't even be backed up by the printed monopoly money anymore, the ONLY thing that keeps the US currency value is faith.
That's something that I've heard my entire freakin' life, but it's never been more true than it is today with $22 Trillion+ debt.
That being said, it's not idiots like you that I'm worried about, when stories like these come out. It's the rest of the world that somehow still thinks it's a good idea to base every other currency against ours, and those who would like nothing more than to untie the US dollar from Oil. (Russia IS on that list, BTW)
Because of this, Russ Buettner and Susanne Craig and the NYT in general are putting out propaganda that is tantamount to treason.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
https://qz.com/1655268/us-military-is-a-bigger-polluter-than-140-count
ries-combined/ Trump signed yet another budget increase for the Pentagon, as if more money will make incompetent losers winners.
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Conservative commentator George Will offered a stirring and stark assessment of what Donald Trump's presidency will mean for our politics and our culture:
"I believe that what this president has done to our culture, to our civic discourse ... you cannot unring these bells and you cannot unsay what he has said, and you cannot change that he has now in a very short time made it seem normal for schoolboy taunts and obvious lies to be spun out in a constant stream. I think this will do more lasting damage than Richard Nixon's surreptitious burglaries did."
That's George Will, folks. Not Rachel Maddow.
Will's broader argument is that Nixon's coordinated burglaries at the Democratic National Committee were secret and, once revealed, broadly condemned by the public and the two political parties. What Trump is doing is happening right in front of our faces -- and with the assent of the Republican Party.
www.cnn.com/2019/07/15/politics/donald-trump-george-will-presidency/in
dex.html
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump tweeted about that assent of the Republican Party:
95% Approval Rating in the Republican Party. Thank you! 191 Federal Judges (a record), and two Supreme Court Justices, approved. Best Economy & Employment Numbers EVER. Thank you to our great New, Smart and Nimble REPUBLICAN PARTY. Join now, it’s where people want to be!
10:24 AM · Jan 26, 2020
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1221469014427348992
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Originally posted by second:Quote:If America falls apart, it won't be because of ones and zeros. It will be because too many fat, lazy and stupid Americans dying from the CO2 they dumped into their own air. Fat, lazy, stupid and obnoxious describes Trump. He is the number one dumper of CO2 and proud of it. "The US military is a bigger polluter than more than 100 countries combined":
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
Yanno, given that we've long since moved to a currency beyond money and built on nothing but ones and zeros floating around in the ether that can't even be backed up by the printed monopoly money anymore, the ONLY thing that keeps the US currency value is faith.
That's something that I've heard my entire freakin' life, but it's never been more true than it is today with $22 Trillion+ debt.
That being said, it's not idiots like you that I'm worried about, when stories like these come out. It's the rest of the world that somehow still thinks it's a good idea to base every other currency against ours, and those who would like nothing more than to untie the US dollar from Oil. (Russia IS on that list, BTW)
Because of this, Russ Buettner and Susanne Craig and the NYT in general are putting out propaganda that is tantamount to treason.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
https://qz.com/1655268/us-military-is-a-bigger-polluter-than-140-count
ries-combined/ Trump signed yet another budget increase for the Pentagon, as if more money will make incompetent losers winners.
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Bullshit dude. If fat, lazy, stupid Americans die from the CO2 that we've dumped in the air, than EVERY FUCKING BODY dies from the CO2 that we've dumped in the air.
Stay on point, retard.
If the ONLY thing keeping any value behind the US Dollar is faith, than articles like this serve only to destroy that faith worldwide.
What? Do you believe that Putin didn't read that fucking article, genius?
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump tweeted about that assent of the Republican Party:
95% Approval Rating in the Republican Party. Thank you! 191 Federal Judges (a record), and two Supreme Court Justices, approved. Best Economy & Employment Numbers EVER. Thank you to our great New, Smart and Nimble REPUBLICAN PARTY. Join now, it’s where people want to be!
10:24 AM · Jan 26, 2020
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1221469014427348992
Just wait until November, buddy.
Democrats as we know them are about to go extinct.
That shit-show of a party certainly is due for an enema.
Maybe after they lick their wounds this time they can come crawling back and kiss my ass and beg to have me back. They did this to themselves.
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Quote:It is not faith in the US dollar that gives it value; it is that the US can make the world bend to its will. But once too many Americans get fat, lazy, and stupid (95% of Trump voters have one or more of those qualities) especially in the Pentagon and the White House, America won't be able to bend a wet noodle and dollars will depreciate accordingly.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:If America falls apart, it won't be because of ones and zeros. It will be because too many fat, lazy and stupid Americans dying from the CO2 they dumped into their own air. Fat, lazy, stupid and obnoxious describes Trump. He is the number one dumper of CO2 and proud of it. "The US military is a bigger polluter than more than 100 countries combined":
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
Yanno, given that we've long since moved to a currency beyond money and built on nothing but ones and zeros floating around in the ether that can't even be backed up by the printed monopoly money anymore, the ONLY thing that keeps the US currency value is faith.
That's something that I've heard my entire freakin' life, but it's never been more true than it is today with $22 Trillion+ debt.
That being said, it's not idiots like you that I'm worried about, when stories like these come out. It's the rest of the world that somehow still thinks it's a good idea to base every other currency against ours, and those who would like nothing more than to untie the US dollar from Oil. (Russia IS on that list, BTW)
Because of this, Russ Buettner and Susanne Craig and the NYT in general are putting out propaganda that is tantamount to treason.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
https://qz.com/1655268/us-military-is-a-bigger-polluter-than-140-count
ries-combined/ Trump signed yet another budget increase for the Pentagon, as if more money will make incompetent losers winners.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Bullshit dude. If fat, lazy, stupid Americans die from the CO2 that we've dumped in the air, than EVERY FUCKING BODY dies from the CO2 that we've dumped in the air.
Stay on point, retard.
If the ONLY thing keeping any value behind the US Dollar is faith, than articles like this serve only to destroy that faith worldwide.
What? Do you believe that Putin didn't read that fucking article, genius?
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Quote:You still don't understand that probability of Trump winning is only 50/50. I'm voting for the Democrats, but you are gonna get the enema from the GOP, 6ix, because you are a little bit poor and a whole lot stupid.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump tweeted about that assent of the Republican Party:
95% Approval Rating in the Republican Party. Thank you! 191 Federal Judges (a record), and two Supreme Court Justices, approved. Best Economy & Employment Numbers EVER. Thank you to our great New, Smart and Nimble REPUBLICAN PARTY. Join now, it’s where people want to be!
10:24 AM · Jan 26, 2020
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1221469014427348992
Just wait until November, buddy.
Democrats as we know them are about to go extinct.
That shit-show of a party certainly is due for an enema.
Maybe after they lick their wounds this time they can come crawling back and kiss my ass and beg to have me back. They did this to themselves.
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Trump told his then-national security adviser in August that he wanted to continue freezing $391 million in security aid to Ukraine until officials there helped with investigations into Democrats, including former Vice President Joe Biden. I don't think 20 GOP Senators will vote to remove Trump because of that fact, but millions of voters would. Since Trump only won by 77,744 Votes, that could make a difference.
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-bolton/trump-told-bol
ton-he-wanted-to-hold-ukraine-aid-pending-help-on-biden-probe-nytimes-idUSKBN1ZP0VD
The Election Came Down to 77,744 Votes in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan (Updated)
www.washingtonexaminer.com/weekly-standard/the-election-came-down-to-7
7-744-votes-in-pennsylvania-wisconsin-and-michigan-updated
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Countdown Clock, Trumps Removal 'Starts'
So we all agree - the Senate isn't going to remove Trump.
I think this topic is dead, but just like the Mueller report, there'll be people who just can't accept reality. And this thread will stumble on and on and on, until something else loud and shiny is put in front of them, and they can mercifully let reality fade into oblivion.
I mean, how long did it take for the Mueller threads to die?
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Did they finally agree that the Senate isn't going to remove Trump. I've only been telling them that since day freakin' one.
But, what about the Secret Ballot?!!!!! I thought the Secret Ballot that would require 81 senators to be on board with was going to save the world from Trump!!!!
Guess we'll just have to wait until he's voted out in November....
lol
Oh... wait.
https://www.oddsshark.com/other/2020-usa-presidential-odds-futures
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2020 Presidential Odds: Trump Remains Heavy Favorite as Senate Trial Begins
Oh... BTW...
Did you guys hear the one about how Bernie is going to leave the borders wide open for immigrants when he becomes president?
Oh... There is no punchline to that. It's not a joke. AOC just told everybody that's what Bernie is going to do and that's why Democrats have to vote for him.
Anybody else coming around to my idea that AOC is actually a Trump employee yet?
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Quote:You keep citing Odds Shark without understanding what it is telling you. Maybe if you convert from the 3 methods of stating odds that most bookmakers and websites support into "Implied Probability" you will understand how likely an outcome is.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Oh... wait.
https://www.oddsshark.com/other/2020-usa-presidential-odds-futuresQuote:
2020 Presidential Odds: Trump Remains Heavy Favorite as Senate Trial Begins
www.aceodds.com/bet-calculator/odds-converter.html
Odds To Win 2020 Presidential Electoral College
Option Odds
Donald Trump -130 or Implied Probability 56.5%
The Field +110 or Implied Probability 47.6%
Which Party Will Win The 2020 U.S. Presidential Election?
Party Odds
Democratic Party +115 or Implied Probability 46.5%
Republican Party -150 or Implied Probability 60%
Odds as of January 21 at Bovada
www.oddsshark.com/other/2020-usa-presidential-odds-futures
So the chances of Trump reelection are 56.5% or 60% depending on how you ask the question.
If, only last week, Trump had gone from threatening to overthrow Iran's government to actually bombing Iran's government, his Implied Probability of a second term would have dropped. In his second term, he will actually start bombing Tehran.
www.aljazeera.com/programmes/start-here/2020/01/soleimani-assassinatio
n-200107151743152.html
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Jack equates the odds, how people are betting on how something will turn out as being the truth of Trumps guilt or innocence. How this turns out may not be based on the facts at all SECOND.
John Bolton's book blasts a hole in Trump defense and is more direct evidence sig.
tick tock Bill Barr tick tock
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Jack equates the odds, how people are betting on how something will turn out, as being the same as what the facts are Second.
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John Bolton's book blasts a hole in Trump defense
Second's retort actually has merit. Yours has none.
Don't jump aboard his train with your idiocy.
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Jack equates the odds, how people are betting on how something will turn out as being the truth of Trumps guilt or innocence. How this turns out may not be based on the facts at all SECOND.
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Jack equates the odds, how people are betting on how something will turn out as being the truth of Trumps guilt or innocence.
No I'm not. I already know he's innocent. I'm just extremely confident he wins too, is all.
The fallacy of Second's argument lies in the fact that it's Trump VS. Everybody Else right now. Once there's only one Democrat up there with a stance that varies wildly from the candidate that other people were backing, those odds (which are already very much in Trump's favor) are going to improve for Trump. You have at least two parties within the Democrat party right now.
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How this turns out has may not be based on the facts at all SECOND.
When has anything?
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Trump denies explosive new Bolton allegations
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-denies-explosive-new-bol
ton-allegations/ar-BBZmH4K?ocid=msedgntp
Opps...
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Romney, Collins say Bolton claims strengthen case for witnesses in impeachment trial
Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah, said Monday it is more likely other Republicans will vote to hear witness testimony from former National Security Adviser John Bolton as part of impeachment proceedings following reports on new allegations in his forthcoming book -- as Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, added that the reports strengthened "the case for witnesses."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/romney-collins-say-bolton-clai
ms-boost-call-for-witnesses/ar-BBZnnxp?ocid=msedgntp
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5 Takeaways on Trump and Ukraine From John Bolton’s Book
• Mr. Trump tied his willingness to release aid to Ukraine on investigations he sought.
• Mr. Trump was at odds with his senior national security officials.
• Mr. Bolton says he talked to Mr. Barr and Mr. Pompeo about Mr. Giuliani.
• Mr. Bolton is willing to testify. The White House doesn’t want him to.
• The manuscript introduced a significant twist to the impeachment trial.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-5-takeaways-on-trump-
and-ukraine-from-john-bolton-s-book/ar-BBZlMQD?ocid=msedgntp
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Looks like my earlier predictions were right and T is going to become Bolton's number one fan.
So predictable. So sad.
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Just in case idiot Democrat voters in 2020 don't remember who John Bolton is by his evil mustache, the cartoonist made sure to put his name on the handbag.
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A Confederacy Of Dunces Defends President Donald Trump
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If John Bolton testifies its game over. Let me explain why. Bolton will name others, staff, generals, ambassadors and top intelligence officers who will collaborate his testimony. They then, will have to be called to testify.
No, the democrats don’t have to agree to the Biden’s being called. The republicans not calling Bolton at this point will be seen by the country as a cover-up.
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The independent Quinnipiac University Poll regularly surveys residents in Connecticut, Florida, New York, New Jersey, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and nationwide about political races, state and national elections and issues of public concern.
The January 28 national poll found 75% of voters say allow witnesses in Senate impeachment trial; 53% say President Trump not telling truth about Ukraine.
https://poll.qu.edu/
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lol
Look at T sucking Bolton's dick.
I told you that would happen. 
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The January 28 national poll found 75% of voters say allow witnesses in Senate impeachment trial; 53% say President Trump not telling truth about Ukraine.
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Quote:Democratic Sen. Kyrsten Sinema ended Wednesday’s portion of the impeachment trial with a good question that exposed one of many weaknesses in Trump’s defense: Why was the hold on aid for Ukraine done in secret?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Look at T sucking Bolton's dick.
I told you that would happen.
The administration held up foreign aid to Northern Triangle countries in March 2019 and Afghanistan last September. Sinema, from Arizona, pointed out that in each of those instances, officials followed lawful procedure and notified Congress as well as the affected countries.
“In these instances, the receiving countries knew the funds were being withheld to change behavior, and further publicly stated American policy,” said Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts, reading Sinema’s question. “Why, when the administration withheld the Ukrainian security assistance, did it not notify Congress, or make Ukraine or partner countries publicly aware of the hold and the steps needed to resolve the hold?”
Under federal law, the president is required to notify Congress to change how they’ve appropriated money. In the case of Ukraine, a top government watchdog found that Trump violated the law because he did not.
Democrats want to know: If Trump’s intentions were even somewhat pure, then why did the administration implement the freeze as it did?
A Trump defense team lawyer, Patrick Philbin, could only muster a weak response to Sinema.
More at www.vox.com/2020/1/30/21114971/kyrsten-sinema-impeachment-trial-patric
k-philbin-trump-lawyers-aid-hold
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Yup. And Congress is supposed to make declarations of war too.
How many illegitimate wars are we in since GWB now? It's hard to keep track of them all.
Congress is just really bad at its job.
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Quote:Congress is NOT really bad at its job. Congress correctly sees, in my opinion, its job as getting reelected. Then who is bad? It is the majority of voters who keep reelecting the same old Congressmen: Reelection Rates Over the Years
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yup. And Congress is supposed to make declarations of war too.
How many illegitimate wars are we in since GWB now? It's hard to keep track of them all.
Congress is just really bad at its job.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Few things in life are more predictable than the chances of an incumbent member of the U.S. House of Representatives winning reelection. Senate races still overwhelmingly favor the incumbent, but not by as reliable a margin as House races.
More at www.opensecrets.org/overview/reelect.php
This situation explains everything that is wrong in the Federal government and it is all the fault of the majority of voters. But the majority of Americans cannot see that their problems are caused by their crappy decisions. They keep hoping that somebody else, maybe Congress, will fix the mess the American voters keep perpetuating. But your Congressman failed so many times before so why do Americans keep returning the same failures to office? Because the majority is at or below average in intelligence. I want to get rid of Senator Cruz and Cornyn, but the majority of Texas voters will keep reelecting those two failures forever. Cruz and Cornyn know that, and behave as you'd expect for lazy employees who can't be fired.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Congress is NOT really bad at its job. Congress correctly sees, in my opinion, its job as getting reelected. Then who is bad? It is the majority of voters who keep reelecting the same old Congressmen: Reelection Rates Over the Years
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yup. And Congress is supposed to make declarations of war too.
How many illegitimate wars are we in since GWB now? It's hard to keep track of them all.
Congress is just really bad at its job.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Few things in life are more predictable than the chances of an incumbent member of the U.S. House of Representatives winning reelection. Senate races still overwhelmingly favor the incumbent, but not by as reliable a margin as House races.
More at www.opensecrets.org/overview/reelect.php
This situation explains everything that is wrong in the Federal government and it is all the fault of the majority of voters. But the majority of Americans cannot see that their problems are caused by their crappy decisions. They keep hoping that somebody else, maybe Congress, will fix the mess the American voters keep perpetuating. But your Congressman failed so many times before so why do Americans keep returning the same failures to office? Because the majority is at or below average in intelligence. I want to get rid of Senator Cruz and Cornyn, but the majority of Texas voters will keep reelecting those two failures forever. Cruz and Cornyn know that, and behave as you'd expect for lazy employees who can't be fired.
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Let's just put term limits on Congress. Problem solved.
Oh... wait. That would require a majority vote to put them all out on the street without any skills that are marketable outside of the political realm.
Nevermind.
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Quote:Your solution lets the majority of voters be completely irresponsible for their stupidity in not firing their failure of a Congressman. That makes it a bad solution.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Let's just put term limits on Congress. Problem solved.
Oh... wait. That would require a majority vote to put them all out on the street without any skills that are marketable outside of the political realm.
Nevermind.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Your solution lets the majority of voters be completely irresponsible for their stupidity in not firing their failure of a Congressman. That makes it a bad solution.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Let's just put term limits on Congress. Problem solved.
Oh... wait. That would require a majority vote to put them all out on the street without any skills that are marketable outside of the political realm.
Nevermind.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Well you're not going to fix stupid.
I believe that people who have a lower than 120 IQ shouldn't even be allowed to vote, personally. But, yanno, Democrats claim that's racist.
So. What's your solution?
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Quote:Do you remember this comment of yours?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Your solution lets the majority of voters be completely irresponsible for their stupidity in not firing their failure of a Congressman. That makes it a bad solution.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Let's just put term limits on Congress. Problem solved.
Oh... wait. That would require a majority vote to put them all out on the street without any skills that are marketable outside of the political realm.
Nevermind.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Well you're not going to fix stupid.
I believe that people who have a lower than 120 IQ shouldn't even be allowed to vote, personally. But, yanno, Democrats claim that's racist.
So. What's your solution?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Quote:The voters would force/demand that their Congressman make the decision to go to war if the voters were required to go to the war the President starts.
Yup. And Congress is supposed to make declarations of war too.
How many illegitimate wars are we in since GWB now? It's hard to keep track of them all.
Congress is just really bad at its job.
But you have probably noticed, almost no voters go to war. Instead, mercenaries do the fighting and they do a crappy job, too, losing constantly because they do it mostly for their pay, not for a win. The voters are not at risk themselves, which is why they act irresponsibly about the wars the President starts.
The number of mercenaries is small compared to the number of voters who make money from the jobs created by the defense industries. That is another reason for voters and Congressmen to be irresponsible about going to war. The way to fix the system is to make the voters suffer or die when they make the wrong decision.
Even better idea: if the President loses a war or it is a stalemate, execute the President. That ought to be in the Constitution. It would certainly make Presidents more cautious about going to war.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Do you remember this comment of yours?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Your solution lets the majority of voters be completely irresponsible for their stupidity in not firing their failure of a Congressman. That makes it a bad solution.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Let's just put term limits on Congress. Problem solved.
Oh... wait. That would require a majority vote to put them all out on the street without any skills that are marketable outside of the political realm.
Nevermind.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Well you're not going to fix stupid.
I believe that people who have a lower than 120 IQ shouldn't even be allowed to vote, personally. But, yanno, Democrats claim that's racist.
So. What's your solution?
Do Right, Be Right. :)Quote:
Yup. And Congress is supposed to make declarations of war too.
How many illegitimate wars are we in since GWB now? It's hard to keep track of them all.
Congress is just really bad at its job.
Yup. I remember the comment I made. I don't constantly lie like you do so I don't have to keep a tally of what I've said in the past and worry about it being hypocritical. (Something that you don't even bother doing, because every other post you make contradicts something else you said five minutes beforehand).
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The voters would force/demand that their Congressman make the decision to go to war if the voters were required to go to the war the President starts.
But you have probably noticed, almost no voters go to war. Instead, mercenaries do the fighting and they do a crappy job, too, losing constantly because they do it mostly for their pay, not for a win. The voters are not at risk themselves, which is why they act irresponsibly about the wars the President starts.
The number of mercenaries is small compared to the number of voters who make money from the jobs created by the defense industries. That is another reason for voters and Congressmen to be irresponsible about going to war. The way to fix the system is to make the voters suffer or die when they make the wrong decision.
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Oh. Okay. So fascism is the cure then. Make them suffer or die when they make the wrong decision.
I suppose that you are the arbiter of what makes a right and wrong decision in this scenario too?
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Quote:A wrong decision would be losing the war or the war becomes a stalemate. The punishment? The voters get drafted into the war that is being lost. Throw more bodies at the enemy, like it was WWII. But right now, when America starts losing or is in stalemate, nothing happens other than a few mercenaries get a concussion or killed. Since nothing happens to voters, why would the voters force their Congressman to vote against war? And why would Congress not let the President do whatever he pleases? If the majority of voters don't care, because there is no risk for them, why should Congress care what the President does, since stopping the President will mean the Congressman will lose some votes in the next election?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Oh. Okay. So fascism is the cure then. Make them suffer or die when they make the wrong decision.
I suppose that you are the arbiter of what makes a right and wrong decision in this scenario too?
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Originally posted by second:Quote:A wrong decision would be losing the war or the war becomes a stalemate. The punishment? The voters get drafted into the war that is being lost. Throw more bodies at the enemy, like it was WWII. But right now, when America starts losing or is in stalemate, nothing happens other than a few mercenaries get a concussion or killed. Since nothing happens to voters, why would the voters force their Congressman to vote against war? And why would Congress not let the President do whatever he pleases? If the majority of voters don't care, because there is no risk for them, why should Congress care what the President does, since stopping the President will mean the Congressman will lose some votes in the next election?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Oh. Okay. So fascism is the cure then. Make them suffer or die when they make the wrong decision.
I suppose that you are the arbiter of what makes a right and wrong decision in this scenario too?
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So I'm asking you what your solution is, stupid.
All you're doing is going around in circles and talking bullshit.
Nothing you have said is a better idea than term limits. You didn't like term limits. You want people to die. But people aren't going to die.
So, I'll ask again, what is your solution.
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Quote:Term limits is a crappy solution because it kicks out perfectly good Congressmen and it still does not force them to vote yay or nay on war. What you have not grasped is that tinkering around with the rules won't fix the problem of going to war whenever the President, one person, is in the mood. You'd have to change things either
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Originally posted by second:Quote:A wrong decision would be losing the war or the war becomes a stalemate. The punishment? The voters get drafted into the war that is being lost. Throw more bodies at the enemy, like it was WWII. But right now, when America starts losing or is in stalemate, nothing happens other than a few mercenaries get a concussion or killed. Since nothing happens to voters, why would the voters force their Congressman to vote against war? And why would Congress not let the President do whatever he pleases? If the majority of voters don't care, because there is no risk for them, why should Congress care what the President does, since stopping the President will mean the Congressman will lose some votes in the next election?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Oh. Okay. So fascism is the cure then. Make them suffer or die when they make the wrong decision.
I suppose that you are the arbiter of what makes a right and wrong decision in this scenario too?
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So I'm asking you what your solution is, stupid.
All you're doing is going around in circles and talking bullshit.
Nothing you have said is a better idea than term limits. You didn't like term limits. You want people to die. But people aren't going to die.
So, I'll ask again, what is your solution.
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1) radically -- a national referendum on a Declaration of War
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2) thoughtfully -- the voters act like they give a damn about the Constitution, which requires Congress to declare war.
Placing term limits on Congressmen won't make them want to decide about war. If nobody is supervising/threatening Congress, it will just goof-off, doing only the parts of the job that are easiest.
The choice is really either the voters very slowly making the War decision themselves or the voters forcing Congress to make the decision slightly faster, or to violate the Constitution by letting the President make fast and ridiculous decisions about War. Term limits is not any one of those; it will do nothing.
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Says the guy who only gives a damn about the Constitution when it suits him.
Most people don't care, and they're never going to care. But they still get a vote and are brainwashed by either side to vote to vote for that side.
If I made the rules, the first thing I would do is take away any person's right to vote who has ever once in their lives just pressed the button to vote straight party line.
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Quote:Have you checked around you? Most people don't care about anything but the food in their mouth. The Universe pays them back for their wide-ranging indifference/apathy by not caring about them any more than it cares about squirrels in the trees and deer in the forest.
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Says the guy who only gives a damn about the Constitution when it suits him.
Most people don't care, and they're never going to care. But they still get a vote and are brainwashed by either side to vote to vote for that side.
If I made the rules, the first thing I would do is take away any person's right to vote who has ever once in their lives just pressed the button to vote straight party line.
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"Because the majority is at or below average in intelligence." Statistically speaking, I can see the majority of voters being 'at' normal intelligence. But statistically speaking, I can't see the majority of voters being below normal intelligence.
A statement like that would have to have been made by someone pretty stupid.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Says the guy who only gives a damn about the Constitution when it suits him.
Most people don't care, and they're never going to care. But they still get a vote and are brainwashed by either side to vote to vote for that side.
If I made the rules, the first thing I would do is take away any person's right to vote who has ever once in their lives just pressed the button to vote straight party line.
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You've changed topic so much here today that I'm having a hard time remembering what we were arguing about in the beginning, and an even harder time caring about it at all.
We're agreed that most people are stupid.
I'm of the mind that "average" intelligence means dumb, and those who sit right in the middle shouldn't be happy with where they're sitting.
Add to that a public school system that is designed to cripple our brains and make us stupid laborers and nothing more, and that's why we are where we are at right now.
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Quote:“In 2016, Donald Trump captured 68 percent of the vote in West Virginia, a state hit hard by opioid overdoses,” begins the 2018 NPR story: “Analysis Finds Geographic Overlap In Opioid Use And Trump Support In 2016.”
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"Because the majority is at or below average in intelligence." Statistically speaking, I can see the majority of voters being 'at' normal intelligence. But statistically speaking, I can't see the majority of voters being below normal intelligence.
A statement like that would have to have been made by someone pretty stupid.
The NPR story was about a study published in JAMA Network Open titled “Association of Chronic Opioid Use With Presidential Voting Patterns in US Counties in 2016,” lead authored by physician James Goodwin. In counties with high rates of opioid use, Trump received 60% of the vote; but Trump received only 39% of the vote in counties with low opioid use. Opioid use is prevalent in poor rural counties, as Goodwin reports in his study: “Approximately two-thirds of the association between opioid rates and presidential voting was explained by socioeconomic variables.”
Goodwin told NPR: “It very well may be that if you’re in a county that is dissolving because of opioids, you’re looking around and you’re seeing ruin. That can lead to a sense of despair . . . . You want something different. You want radical change.”
A Hollywood Dem could viscerally communicate in 30 seconds about Trump and Radical Change: “You fantasized that this braggart would be your hero, but you discovered he’s just another rich asshole politician out for himself.” This strategy will not necessarily get Dems the shit-life syndrome vote, but will increase the likelihood that these folks stay home on Election Day and not vote for Trump.
More at www.counterpunch.org/2020/01/03/shit-life-syndrome-trump-voters-and-cl
ueless-dems/
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Ooops.
Looks like you all blew your wad on your Fake Impeachment.
Now you'll need to go back to your Countdown to Impeachment. Maybe you'll try for a non-Fake Impeachment this time. Article 3?
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Quote:Back when Nixon was in Watergate trouble, there weren't enough Republican votes in the Senate to remove him, but for the good of his political party Nixon stepped down to let Gerald Ford, his perfectly satisfactory V.P., run the country and run in the next election. There will never be enough Republican Senators voting for removal of a Republican to be replaced with perfectly satisfactory V.P. Mike Pence. And Trump would never step down to help his party. Besides, once he steps down Congress will get him for income tax evasion. Nixon also got caught cheating on his taxes by Congress. Trump knows the same will happen to him, so he needs another 4 years in the White House to delay the day when he finally pays.
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Ooops.
Looks like you all blew your wad on your Fake Impeachment.
Now you'll need to go back to your Countdown to Impeachment. Maybe you'll try for a non-Fake Impeachment this time. Article 3?
President Nixon's Troublesome Tax Returns
www.taxhistory.org/thp/readings.nsf/cf7c9c870b600b9585256df80075b9dd/f
8723e3606cd79ec85256ff6006f82c3?OpenDocument
What is striking is how little income tax was paid. Nixon's four-year average of tax-to-gross income was only 7 percent. By agreeing to pay $465,000, Nixon's wealth was reduced to half of the previous $988,522. One White House spokesman stated that Nixon was "almost totally wiped out" by the agreement (WSJ, Apr. 5, 1974). However, Nixon was fortunate to have had $433,000 in liquid assets to pay the tax deficiency.
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More than 1,110 former Justice Department officials who served in Republican as well as Democratic administrations posted a statement calling on Attorney General Bill Barr to resign.
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Roger Stone will be sentenced Thursday despite his ongoing bid to overturn conviction
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/stone-sentencing-thursday-desp
ite-bid-for-new-trial/ar-BB107HG1?ocid=msedgntp
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Federal judges' association calls emergency meeting after DOJ intervenes in case of Trump ally Roger Stone
WASHINGTON — A national association of federal judges has called an emergency meeting Tuesday to address growing concerns about the intervention of Justice Department officials and President Donald Trump in politically sensitive cases, the group’s president said Monday.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/federal-judges-call-meet-after
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Doooood.
This thread is OVER. "Countdown Clock, Trumps Removal 'Starts'"
How are they going to remove him? Impeachment? BEEN THERE. DONE THAT. AND FAILED.
Belief is for wimps and mental midgets!
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Why don't you start a new thread more accurately titled: "HOW TRUMP AND THE M$M MADE ME NUTS." ?
Belief is for wimps and mental midgets!
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John Bolton speaks out about his time in the Trump White House and thousands of fmr. DOJ employees say Trump's attorney general William Barr should quit.
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Fuck Bolton and Fuck the corrupt to the core DOJ.
Time to drain the swamp, bitches.
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I personally want Bernie to be the nominee.
It will be hilarious watching Trump get 400 in the Electoral College.
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I personally want Bernie to be the nominee.
It will be hilarious watching Trump get 400 in the Electoral College.
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Putin has more in common with Bernie than anybody who's been in politics in the last 4 decades. So there's that.
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Just barely...
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You can probably add Chief Speaking Bull to the list once it's clear that Bernie isn't going to be the nominee or she gets a REALLY good feeling the Super Delegates are going Biden if nobody is a clear winner.
She is such a filthy whore.
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Trump Is Counting on the Supreme Court to Save Him
The president’s remarkable lawsuit against his own accountants and bankers can succeed only if the conservative majority intervenes on his behalf. Plainly, there is something in Trump’s tax documents that Trump dreads letting the world see.
The issues raised by impeachment in early 2020 come roaring back for the election finale. Trump’s evident corruption, the questions over his thralldom to the Putin regime in Russia, the refusal of the Republican Party to uphold law when inconvenient to Trump—you thought we’d talked them to death during impeachment? There is so much more to come.
Sometime before June 29, 2020, the U.S. Supreme Court will either plunge the United States into the severest constitutional crisis of the Trump years—or save Americans from that crisis.
Three different committees of Congress, as well as New York State prosecutors, have issued subpoenas to President Donald Trump’s accountants and bankers for his tax and business records. Trump has sued to stop the accountants and bankers from complying. He has lost twice at the district-court level and twice at the appeals-court level. Now he is looking to the conservative majority on the Supreme Court to rescue him.
On March 31, the court will hear oral arguments in the cases of Trump v. Mazars and Trump v. Deutsche Bank. The decision will be rendered sometime between then and the court’s summer break.
Although Trump is suing his accountants and his bankers as a private citizen, his case has been joined by the Department of Justice. Solicitor General Noel Francisco has signed an amicus brief on behalf of the United States. It is an astonishing document. It invites the Supreme Court to junk two centuries of precedent—and to substitute an entirely new system of judicial review of congressional subpoenas that involve a president:
Quote:All the requirements in that above paragraph were devised for purposes of this litigation. None of them has ever been enforced—none of them has ever been imagined—in the previous 230 years of skirmishing between Congresses and presidents. Every must and should and cannot was invented in this very brief, for the immediate legal purposes of this president in this dilemma. The solicitor general might as well have said that subpoenas must be delivered by a sled pulled by flying reindeer, for all the connection between these demands and the previous constitutional history of the United States.
A legislative subpoena must therefore satisfy heightened requirements when it seeks information from the President. At the threshold, the full chamber should unequivocally authorize a subpoena against the President. Moreover, the legislative purpose should be set forth with specificity. Courts should not presume that the purpose is legitimate, but instead should scrutinize it with care. And as with information protected by executive privilege, information sought from the President should be demonstrably critical to the legislative purpose. A congressional committee cannot evade these heightened requirements merely by directing the subpoena to third-party custodians, for such agents generally assume the rights and privileges of their principal, as this Court has recognized in analogous cases.
As the House of Representatives noted in the brief it filed, previous Congresses have obtained the bank records of Presidents Andrew Johnson and Jimmy Carter, and the tax records of President Richard Nixon. They have read the diaries of President Ronald Reagan and the law-firm billing records of first lady Hillary Clinton.
It’s never before been the law that a subpoena of the president must be authorized by “the full chamber,” much less that this authorization be “unequivocal”—whatever that means.
It’s never before been the law that the president’s privileges—whatever they are—also extend to his private business agents.
It’s never before been the law that the courts set themselves over Congress as scrutinizers of its subpoenas, approving or disapproving. Until n
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Trump Is Counting on the Supreme Court to Save Him
The president’s remarkable lawsuit against his own accountants and bankers can succeed only if the conservative majority intervenes on his behalf. Plainly, there is something in Trump’s tax documents that Trump dreads letting the world see.
Fraud, wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain. That and the IRS will have its pound of flesh.
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Trump fires acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney
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Dr. Redlener, the director of the National Center for Disaster Preparedness, tells Lawrence O’Donnell that President Trump is leading the country in the wrong direction causing a "complete active melting down of America's health and hospital system."
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Trump!!! You're killing people...
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As the number of coronavirus cases continues to surge across America, Trump took time at his briefing and on Twitter to go after the governors of Michigan and Washington as dire reports pour out of American hospitals.
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Was this the "Tick Tock to 47% Approval" thread?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_app
roval-6179.html
You read that right. 47.3% approval, vs. 49.3% disapproval. The best looking number's he's seen in either category since he was elected, and continuing to trend up.
Even the "experts" have said that Trump is a lock at 47%.
I don't think it's going to stay that high, but after all of this Trump should find a new floor, probably no lower than 46% unless all of this nonsense somehow drags on through the whole summer.
Trump wins in November easily if he is still at 45%.
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