Some Covid-19 thoughts

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‘Bullhorn lady’ openly mocked a judge’s order to wear a mask in public. Then a judge found out
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/4/17/2026234/--Bullhorn-lady-ope
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Dumb trumptard gets a taste of karma.

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Corona denier Ted Nugent catches the Corona virus?

https://dissenter.com/discussion/begin?url=https://globalnews.ca/news/
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Corona denier Ted Nugent catches the Corona virus?

https://dissenter.com/discussion/begin?url=https://globalnews.ca/news/
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How loaded is that statement? I don't know or care to know Nugent's thoughts on the issue.

I don't deny that the virus they call Covid-19 exists. It just hasn't directly killed a single person yet.

I'm going to bet that's Nugent's position too, and if that's the case and he ultimately doesn't die from it (which he won't) than this is a complete non story. But the media lies about everything and half the country is full of people who just love eating those shit sandwiches.



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Ex-White House aide reveals 'inside story' of what happened when Trump claimed injecting disinfectant could cure COVID-19

Trump famously touted injecting disinfectant as a cure for COVID-19 during a press briefing. Olivia Troye, a former aide, said that the White House Coronavirus Task Force was "in shock."

The task force then had to discuss how to mitigate people actually ingesting bleach, Troye said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-white-house-aide-reveals-in
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Deaths

576,265

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You need to go find another thread to troll.

Any further posts from you here will go ignored.

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6ix, yesterday you wrote: "I don't deny that the virus they call Covid-19 exists. It just hasn't directly killed a single person yet."
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63571&mid=11317
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6ix, if you truly believe Covid-19 hasn't "directly" killed a single person (not sure why you added the superfluous word "directly") then everything you have written about Covid-19 finally makes sense. Crazy sense, but logical. I can now see why you've been such a retard about Covid-19 and vaccines and passports for a year.

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How loaded is that statement? I don't know or care to know Nugent's thoughts on the issue.

I don't deny that the virus they call Covid-19 exists. It just hasn't directly killed a single person yet.

I'm going to bet that's Nugent's position too, and if that's the case and he ultimately doesn't die from it (which he won't) than this is a complete non story. But the media lies about everything and half the country is full of people who just love eating those shit sandwiches.

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I've never once wavered from this point of view.

The fact that it comes as a surprise to you now is puzzling, since I know you actively seek out my posts everywhere.

"Directly" is not superfluous. These were all people who were about to die and Covid hastened their end game along.

CDC numbers will show that I was always right about this when they come out in a few years.

Much ado over nothing.

If they didn't make this last year happen, fake mail-in fraud election wouldn't have been possible and Trump would be president right now.






Keep your bullshit here. It will not be answered in my thread.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

I've never once wavered from this point of view.

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I had a conversation at work with a Trumptard on Friday about reality. It has always been clear to me that the mental models of reality Trumptards have in their minds are not well matched to physical reality. The conversation I had was about the meaning of the simple word "counterclockwise". The Trumptard actually broke equipment because he followed instructions but he turned a knob the wrong way. It turns out, amusingly to me, that this 20 year old Trumptard can't read an analog clock, which explains why the word "counterclockwise" confused him. Not to get too philosophical, but I don't think 6ix, who is smart, has a correct mental model of Covid-19 just as this other Trumptard didn't have a correct mental model of clocks. Both Covid-19 and clocks reinforce my belief that Trumptards, deep down inside, are fundamentally silly.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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I've never once wavered from this point of view.

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I had a conversation at work with a Trumptard on Friday about reality.

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Don't care. I wholly reject your version of reality.



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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Don't care. I wholly reject your version of reality.

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Reality confuses Trumptards because it doesn't align closely with their understanding, which is why they have difficulty staying in the middle class. Trumptards are children who never matured, although all of 'em in Texas see themselves as responsible, adult, and dependable. So laughable to watch an overgrown child, with gray hair or balding, going through the motions, and failing, at being a grownup.

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Yeah. Heard it already... Whatever.

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Trust in J&J's vaccine is low, yet overall intent to get inoculated rises

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trust-in-j-j-s-vaccine-is-low-
yet-overall-intent-to-get-inoculated-rises-poll/ar-BB1g3A6r?ocid=msedgntp

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Deaths

577,224

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People on the ground say the official numbers are far higher that the government is saying. This is very sad, horrifying.

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Medical vs Environmental Deaths

The first thought experiment considers causes of death of two different kinds, and at first glance it may appear to be an entirely outrageous question to ask:

If the 1.8 million deaths globally attributed to the SARS-CoV2 coronavirus in 2020 required and continue to require extreme measures, why do the 1.4 million global road fatalities every year not require anything but tiny incremental actions? What principle of action warrants immediate extreme action with significant unpredictable side effects in the case of (say) lockdowns, but no action at all in the case of the most deadly environmental health risks? Or to put this another way, why do medical causes of death utterly overshadow environmental health causes of death? Should they? If so, what principle is it that informs us that environmental causes of death don’t matter, while medical causes of death require action, even in cases with severe health (and mental health) consequences?

Lung cancer could be substituted for the novel coronavirus, as it causes 2 million deaths annually and this prompts a variety of interventions in most nations; air pollution could be substituted for cars; it contributes to the deaths of some 7 million people... although cars are, of course, a major contributor to this.

More at https://onlyagame.typepad.com/only_a_game/2021/04/which-deaths-matter.
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by second:
Medical vs Environmental Deaths

The first thought experiment considers causes of death of two different kinds, and at first glance it may appear to be an entirely outrageous question to ask:

If the 1.8 million deaths globally attributed to the SARS-CoV2 coronavirus in 2020 required and continue to require extreme measures, why do the 1.4 million global road fatalities every year not require anything but tiny incremental actions? What principle of action warrants immediate extreme action with significant unpredictable side effects in the case of (say) lockdowns, but no action at all in the case of the most deadly environmental health risks? Or to put this another way, why do medical causes of death utterly overshadow environmental health causes of death? Should they? If so, what principle is it that informs us that environmental causes of death don’t matter, while medical causes of death require action, even in cases with severe health (and mental health) consequences?

Lung cancer could be substituted for the novel coronavirus, as it causes 2 million deaths annually and this prompts a variety of interventions in most nations; air pollution could be substituted for cars; it contributes to the deaths of some 7 million people... although cars are, of course, a major contributor to this.

More at https://onlyagame.typepad.com/only_a_game/2021/04/which-deaths-matter.
html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/04/18/understand-dangers-cov
id-passports-simply-imagine-obesity-equivalent/

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To understand the dangers of Covid passports, simply imagine an obesity equivalent

Being overweight is a public health epidemic, so why is it that we don't restrict the freedoms and choices of the obese?

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Second just wants to make everything illegal, or at least let Democrats do what Democrats do best and tax behavior they don't like out of existence.

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Second just wants to make everything illegal, or at least let Democrats do what Democrats do best and tax behavior they don't like out of existence.

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I vote Democrat because I'm a Consequentialist.
www.google.com/search?q=consequentialist

No Trumptards that I know and less than half of Democrats think in a cool-headed manner about consequences. Most wealthy people who didn't inherit money (Trump inherited a billion) clearly think ahead everyday about the consequences of what they do.

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Covid-19 appears perfectly engineered to destroy the houses of sand built by populist leaders. Narendra Modi poured scorn on experts and scientists who warned his country faced a "tsunami" of infection. Now the Indian Prime Minister is being harshly criticized for premature triumphalism amid a terrible surge that has people dying in the streets. Former US President Donald Trump's denialism appears to have cost tens of thousands of lives. Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro fueled a disaster by rejecting Covid-19 countermeasures in favor of crank cures. UK PM Boris Johnson paid a heavy personal and political price for ignoring the threat of the pandemic early on.

The pandemic is guaranteed to expose leaders who undermine truth, create alternative realities, ostracize experts and scientists and refuse to take precautions to keep the public safe. Earlier this month for instance, Modi boasted of huge rally crowds ahead of elections in West Bengal. His hubris in the face of the virus recalls Trump's refusal to give up rallies last year at which he boasted the virus was being driven out -- even as his crowds contributed to a building wave of lethal infections that winter.

www.cnn.com/2021/04/26/world/meanwhile-in-america-populism/index.html


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You vote Democrat because you're an authoritarian fascist.

The other people who vote Democrat are either exactly like you, or they are stupid.

There is no third option.



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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You vote Democrat because you're an authoritarian fascist.

The other people who vote Democrat are either exactly like you, or they are stupid.

There is no third option.

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Sorry, I'm a much worse person than that. I don't fit the description of authoritarian fascist. I prefer to think of myself as Jayne, if he had fought in the Unification War for Alliance, lost, gone to college, got married, started a business. But I'm probably more like Badger -- a low life businessman with roots in the community. I don't soar the level of Adelai Niska. That guy is a 26th Century NAZI. He is probably meant to symbolize an authoritarian fascist who tortures Space Jews/Gypsies to death, for profit.
https://firefly.fandom.com/wiki/Adelai_Niska

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You vote Democrat because you're an authoritarian fascist.

The other people who vote Democrat are either exactly like you, or they are stupid.

There is no third option.

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Sorry, I'm a much worse person than that.

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I believe that.

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Sorry, I'm a much worse person than that.

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I believe that.

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Indeed a pleasant change from you calling me a liar.

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Sorry, I'm a much worse person than that.

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I believe that.

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Indeed a pleasant change from you calling me a liar.

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Maybe you've finally grown tired of lying all the time?

That's nice.



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Originally posted by second: He is probably meant to symbolize an authoritarian fascist who tortures Space Jews/Gypsies to death, for profit.

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I think it wuz clear that he did it for fun. The profit he made wuz frum the biz, but it enabled hiz hobby by providing the power & excuse.

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Covid-19 appears perfectly engineered to destroy the houses of sand built by populist leaders. Narendra Modi poured scorn on experts and scientists who warned his country faced a "tsunami" of infection. Now the Indian Prime Minister is being harshly criticized for premature triumphalism amid a terrible surge that has people dying in the streets. Former US President Donald Trump's denialism appears to have cost tens of thousands of lives. Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro fueled a disaster by rejecting Covid-19 countermeasures in favor of crank cures. UK PM Boris Johnson paid a heavy personal and political price for ignoring the threat of the pandemic early on.

The pandemic is guaranteed to expose leaders who undermine truth, create alternative realities, ostracize experts and scientists and refuse to take precautions to keep the public safe. Earlier this month for instance, Modi boasted of huge rally crowds ahead of elections in West Bengal. His hubris in the face of the virus recalls Trump's refusal to give up rallies last year at which he boasted the virus was being driven out -- even as his crowds contributed to a building wave of lethal infections that winter.

www.cnn.com/2021/04/26/world/meanwhile-in-america-populism/index.html


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U.S. Aims to Shape New Phase of WHO-Led Probe Into Origin of Covid-19

The U.S. is moving to assert greater influence over a scientific investigation led by the World Health Organization into the origins of Covid-19, with plans to submit recommendations to the agency for a new phase of studies.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u-s-aims-to-shape-new-phase-of-who-l
ed-probe-into-origin-of-covid-19/ar-BB1g7cI8?ocid=msedgntp

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Originally posted by second: He is probably meant to symbolize an authoritarian fascist who tortures Space Jews/Gypsies to death, for profit.

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I think it wuz clear that he did it for fun. The profit he made wuz frum the biz, but it enabled hiz hobby by providing the power & excuse.

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"Now for you, my reputation is not from gossip… my reputation is fact. Is solid." - Adelai Niska

I think Niska tortures/kills to maintain his fierce reputation. If he was gentle, instead, his employees and contractors, such as the crew of Serenity, would steal from him, cutting into his profits. Niska didn't include in his calculations the cost of retaliation when he goes too far at maintaining his reputation. If Niska had been more magnanimous, by releasing Mal and Wash rather than just Wash, Niska could have avoided some unnecessary expenses and deaths.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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The crazy fringe discussions?



'Fake Covid Vaccine card'?
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/fake-covid-vaccine-card/9
6119438/page-2/


Famous Indian singer dies of Covid after efforts to secure ventilator fail. For flat earthers who still believe Covid is fake.
https://poal.co/s/News/353640
Poal.co is described as 'A free speech based link and comment aggregation platform'.
Poal dot co for the crazy
The site Poal: Say what you want.
Poal its like miserable Botshithole reddit but only worse, it seems to have Conspiracy community, an America First community, Nationalist community, Anti-Vax community, Q-Anon community, a tinfoil headed UFO community and other fringe groups that reddit banned rolled into one giant big mess
the sites https://tildes.net/ , https://lobste.rs/ seems similar but less crazy


“Vaccidents” now wrecking roadways with stroked-out vaccine takers who lose brain function behind the wheel
http://www.lunaticoutpost.com/thread-244487.html

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Originally posted by second: He is probably meant to symbolize an authoritarian fascist who tortures Space Jews/Gypsies to death, for profit.

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I think it wuz clear that he did it for fun. The profit he made wuz frum the biz, but it enabled hiz hobby by providing the power & excuse.

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"Now for you, my reputation is not from gossip… my reputation is fact. Is solid." - Adelai Niska

I think Niska tortures/kills to maintain his fierce reputation. If he was gentle, instead, his employees and contractors, such as the crew of Serenity, would steal from him, cutting into his profits. Niska didn't include in his calculations the cost of retaliation when he goes too far at maintaining his reputation. If Niska had been more magnanimous, by releasing Mal and Wash rather than just Wash, Niska could have avoided some unnecessary expenses and deaths.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Deaths

579,162

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U.S. Tells Citizens to Leave India as Covid Crisis Deepens

(Bloomberg) -- The U.S. told its citizens to get out of India as soon as possible as the country’s Covid-19 crisis worsens at an astonishing pace.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/u-s-tells-citizens-to-leave-india
-as-covid-crisis-deepens/ar-BB1ga78S?ocid=msedgntp

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U.S. Tells Citizens to Leave India as Covid Crisis Deepens

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Not that they will be safe here. The advise shoud be get out uv India and go to New Zealand or Australia.

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A sorta mile marker wuz passed today.

The United States iz no longer ahed uv the next 2 nationz combined in infectionz or fatalityz.

For most uv the pandemic, we were ahed uv the next 3, 4, 5 and maybe 6 nationz combined, but with Brazil and now India picking up their pase drasticly, it looks like it's numericly impossible for us to ever regain such a big lead. We just don't hav the population.

At the current pase, Brazil will pass us in fatalityz in 2 or 3 months. India'z infection rate iz akselerating so it coud overtake us in a few months on both measurez.

This iz going by the official numberz, wich are sertainly far below the actual numberz.

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Smeed’s Law defines the number of deaths that we find psychologically tolerable. Obviously, Covid-19 has exceeded tolerable limits, which are different for each country, in almost every country.

Reuben Smeed had a fatalistic view of traffic accidents. He collected statistics on traffic deaths from many countries, all the way back to the invention of the automobile. He found that under an enormous range of conditions, the number of deaths in a country per year is given by a simple formula: number of deaths equals .0003 times the two-thirds power of the number of people times the one-third power of the number of cars. This formula is known as Smeed’s Law. He published it in 1949, and it is still valid. It is, of course, not exact, but it holds within a factor of two for almost all countries at almost all times. It is remarkable that the number of deaths does not depend strongly on the size of the country, the quality of the roads, the rules and regulations governing traffic, or the safety equipment installed in cars. Smeed interpreted his law as a law of human nature. The number of deaths is determined mainly by psychological factors that are independent of material circumstances. People will drive recklessly until the number of deaths reaches the maximum they can tolerate. When the number exceeds that limit, they drive more carefully. Smeed’s Law merely defines the number of deaths that we find psychologically tolerable.

www.technologyreview.com/2006/11/01/227625/a-failure-of-intelligence/

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Half as many people die every single year from Tuberculosis as the fake Covid numbers claim to have taken in more than the last 12 months, and TB and its complications are the single cause of death that aren't just "borrowing" from other death pools.

Smeed's law says that Americans don't give a single shit about that one because only about 500 of those deaths happen here.

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Half as many people die every single year from Tuberculosis as the fake Covid numbers claim to have taken in more than the last 12 months, and TB and its complications are the single cause of death that aren't just "borrowing" from other death pools.

Smeed's law says that Americans don't give a single shit about that one because only about 500 of those deaths happen here.

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I find how people think moronic AND amoral, especially about the subject of death. There is a direct connection to the moronic AND amoral thinking about building H-bombs to kill everybody on Earth a hundred times, but that is a subject for another thread. From the same MIT article about bombing Germany during WWII:

The British mostly supported Sir Arthur’s ruthless bombing of cities, not because they believed that it was militarily necessary, but because they felt it was teaching German civilians a good lesson. This time, the German civilians were finally feeling the pain of war on their own skins.

I remember arguing about the morality of city bombing with the wife of a senior air force officer, after we heard the results of the Dresden attack. She was a well-educated and intelligent woman who worked part-time for the ORS. I asked her whether she really believed that it was right to kill German women and babies in large numbers at that late stage of the War. She answered, “Oh yes. It is good to kill the babies especially. I am not thinking of this war but of the next one, 20 years from now. The next time the Germans start a war and we have to fight them, those babies will be the soldiers.” After fighting Germans for ten years, four in the first war and six in the second, we had become almost as bloody-minded as Sir Arthur.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210308134049/https://www.technologyrevie
w.com/2006/11/01/227625/a-failure-of-intelligence/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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I agree on the moronic part. A moron is a moron is a moron.

Morals, however, are subjective in many cases.

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Pfizer developing COVID-19 treatment

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Deaths

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Biden set to ban most travel to U.S. from India to limit COVID-19 spread
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-biden-set-ban-most-travel-u
s-india-limit-covid-19-spread-2021-04-30/

numbers?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_by_country_and_territo
ry#Cases_and_deaths_by_region

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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Brazil, South African: A Virologist Describes Each COVID Variant
https://robologiclab.com/the-uk-brazilian-south-african-a-virologist-d
escribes-each-covid-variant/
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India's daily COVID-19 cases pass 400,000 for first time as second wave worsens
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/india-posts-record-daily-ri
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I agree on the moronic part. A moron is a moron is a moron.

Morals, however, are subjective in many cases.

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Let me point you to part of that quote: "It is good to kill the babies especially. I am not thinking of this war but of the next one, 20 years from now. The next time the Germans start a war and we have to fight them, those babies will be the soldiers.” The UK has NOT been at war with Germany since 1945, so it was completely amoral to kill babies in preparation for a war that didn't happen.

Derek Parfit put a bullet into the brain of people who mindlessly chirp "Morals, however, are subjective in many cases." Mammals and most every human will only have subjective feelings to guide them (and their subjectivity sure as hell shows in how ineffectively they live, work and die) but if you are a tiny bit smarter than a house cat or more mindful than the average person, you will have Parfit to show you that what feels right isn't notably right.
https://libgen.unblockit.onl/search.php?req=Derek+Parfit

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Like my cat, I often simply do what I want to do. I am then not using an ability that only persons have. We know that there are reasons for acting, and that some reasons are better or stronger than others. One of the main subjects of this book is a set of questions about what we have reason to do. I shall discuss several theories. Some of these are moral theories, others are theories about rationality.

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I agree on the moronic part. A moron is a moron is a moron.

Morals, however, are subjective in many cases.

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Let me point you to part of that quote: "It is good to kill the babies especially. I am not thinking of this war but of the next one, 20 years from now. The next time the Germans start a war and we have to fight them, those babies will be the soldiers.” The UK has NOT been at war with Germany since 1945, so it was completely amoral to kill babies in preparation for a war that didn't happen.

Derek Parfit put a bullet into the brain of people who mindlessly chirp "Morals, however, are subjective in many cases." Mammals and most every human will only have subjective feelings to guide them (and their subjectivity sure as hell shows in how ineffectively they live, work and die) but if you are a tiny bit smarter than a house cat or more mindful than the average person, you will have Parfit to show you that what feels right isn't notably right.
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Like my cat, I often simply do what I want to do. I am then not using an ability that only persons have. We know that there are reasons for acting, and that some reasons are better or stronger than others. One of the main subjects of this book is a set of questions about what we have reason to do. I shall discuss several theories. Some of these are moral theories, others are theories about rationality.

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-- Derek Parfit from the Introduction to Reasons and Persons.


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Don't talk to me about that when you're fine with your state forcibly injecting everyone with god knows what, including all the kids.

I find your morals to be repulsive.

It's subjective.

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Don't talk to me about that when you're fine with your state forcibly injecting everyone with god knows what, including all the kids.

I find your morals to be repulsive.

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You "feel" it is repulsive. Derek Parfit, by mentioning cats do what they want made me remember when I was a child I heard the phrase "morals of an alley cat." Alley cats are solely guided by their "feelings". I knew as a child that alley cats were fearful, suspicious, secretive and often angry creatures, but I didn't think much of parental wisdom. When I went to war, and later in engineering construction and business, I found that most people I dealt with were being guided all day long by the "morals of an alley cat". Disillusioning experience about most people. The sad and funny part was those people couldn't rise for more than minutes at time above the level of alley cats -- fearful, suspicious, secretive and often angry -- but they keep telling me their low behavior was the absolute pentacle of morality. No, they were no better than alley cats and it showed.

It is too much trouble for Biden to capture and vaccinate all the alley cats of America. He won't try that. Imagine the caterwauling from Trumptards if he did. Trumptards are already making angry noises about what won't happen.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Europe (and the US) Have a COVID-19 Mortality Rate 14x Higher Than Asia

This is the result of both a higher case rate (8x higher) and a higher case mortality rate (70% higher). We still don't have a good explanation for what's going on. There is, obviously, something very, very different going on in Asia, and I doubt that better quarantine and masking rules can truly account for a 14x difference.

https://jabberwocking.com/europe-and-the-us-have-a-covid-19-mortality-
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The media in Europe and the States were totally obsessed with Trump, Biden and Brexit that's all they talked about and if you look at the mud slinging in the political threads on firefly that's mostly what happened here.

The focus should have been on the virus instead the focus was about what Trump or Biden said and the media were constantly talking Brexit deals or no deals to leave the EU. In East Europe I believe due to their history they have a very skeptical view on Government and are anti-Restrictions because they remember Communism and the older generation does not fondly remember their past experience with a Soviet governments. Parts of South America are rising, I believe Mexico and Brazil numbers are not good one part of South America can look good and then you get a sudden hot spot in Bolivia for example, I also believe the borders in these countries can be fluid, cross border movement and black market trade happens and borders on South American maps lack security.
Aus might be one of the Western countries that got things right.

Asia and the Pacific region seems to have done well perhaps due to an experience with SARs and MERs, I believe some of these countries are less democratically free so can respond with more restriction and military style response during a pandemic. Australia and NZ got praise but its possible Aussie lockdowns while good for stopping a virus they might have hurt mental health and hurt jobs. It's reported that sunshine and UV radiation can help kill COVID-19 maybe this is helping African nations, also in some African nations they have many others risks and diseases and civil wars to worry about, life expectancy is lower so compared to the West covid might not be such a big killer.
The situation is still fluid with new mutations and evolution of the virus showing up, Japan and India have yet to fully report in, I believe thanks to Olympic sports ceremony numbers are rising again in Japan
Perhaps 3,000 to 4,000 are dying in India now, some blame the rise due to India festivals and political elites doing their election stuff in each city and town. Right now I believe India has +390,000 new cases.
The USA has the most who defeated Covid 25 Million survivors although they might live with their own complications after the virus.

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Morals are preferences and by their very nature are entirely subjective. Some people even call them 'values' - ie we really really prefer, or 'value', one behavior over another - which only highlights their subjective nature even further. There are no objective morals. Because every moral can be questioned with 'why'. And every 'why' answer is a feeling of preference.

Even the theoretical Vulcan value "the greatest good for the greatest number" begs the question 'What is good?'. Some might consider life to be the greatest good. Others might consider meaningful sacrifice to be the greatest good. Greeks and Romans thought bravery in the face of death being meted out by fate was the greatest good.



And btw, your rejection of others' moral failings doesn't seem to have kept you from being an even bigger moral failure (and hypocrite). For example, even as you claim to abhor the mendacity of republicans, you come here and lie with every post. So what does that make you? A better republicans than the rank and file republicans?

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Don't talk to me about that when you're fine with your state forcibly injecting everyone with god knows what, including all the kids.

I find your morals to be repulsive.

It's subjective.

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Yes. Exactly.

Thank you for making my point.



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Oh. And I agree with Kiki's perspective on the issue.

It's easy to sit in judgment on your high horse Tweeting what people should and shouldn't be doing all day long like the idiots do, but every single one of them lack the empathy gene and have never once tried walking a mile in somebody else's shoes.

"Let he who is free from sin cast the first stone."

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GOP doctors in Congress are targeting vaccine hesitancy with a video that says the shot will help 'end the government's restrictions on our freedoms'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-doctors-in-congress-are-ta
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Too funny. Now it's get the shot but not because it will save your ass. It's obvious they need a way to explain how come they and their loved ones got the shot while telling everyone else there was no need to. Yep, too funny...

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I wonder if those here who dispute the death toll in American due to the virus, would care to post at least once proof it's wrong, with their source of course, and what they believe the correct number is?

Do they have the balls to expose themselves further as being morons, easily duped by fake news and trolls?

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I wonder if those here who dispute the death toll in American due to the virus, would care to post at least once proof it's wrong, with their source of course, and what they believe the correct number is?

Do they have the balls to expose themselves further as being morons, easily duped by fake news and trolls?



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Nope.

Your numbers are lies. Use your brain.

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Derek Parfit put a bullet into the brain of people who mindlessly chirp "Morals, however, are subjective in many cases." Mammals and most every human will only have subjective feelings to guide them (and their subjectivity sure as hell shows in how ineffectively they live, work and die) but if you are a tiny bit smarter than a house cat or more mindful than the average person, you will have Parfit to show you that what feels right isn't notably right.

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Morals are preferences and by their very nature are entirely subjective. Some people even call them 'values' - ie we really really prefer, or 'value', one behavior over another - which only highlights their subjective nature even further. There are no objective morals. Because every moral can be questioned with 'why'. And every 'why' answer is a feeling of preference.

Even the theoretical Vulcan value "the greatest good for the greatest number" begs the question 'What is good?'. Some might consider life to be the greatest good. Others might consider meaningful sacrifice to be the greatest good. Greeks and Romans thought bravery in the face of death being meted out by fate was the greatest good.



And btw, your rejection of others' moral failings doesn't seem to have kept you from being an even bigger moral failure (and hypocrite). For example, even as you claim to abhor the mendacity of republicans, you come here and lie with every post. So what does that make you? A better republicans than the rank and file republicans?

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I know all about Trumptards' actual morals. Those real morals don't match up to what Trumptards profess for themselves. It's not hypocrisy. It's that they can't. With a little temptation, they fail moral tests. I'm not sure if they notice they failed. Must be some protective psychological mechanism that blinds them, makes them insensitive. Maybe because on the inside they are robots. Maybe they are the philosopher's zombies pretending to be people, but without consciousness. I don't know, but I can see that people who go through life without consciousness have a hard time staying in the middle class. They, when white, vote for Trump -- the man who never had a moral in life. That is a dead giveaway that little Trumptards are almost as hollow inside as big Trump.
A Short List of Mr. Trump’s History:
www.gcrr.org/addendum-b

Trump fed our worst instincts:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/27/trump-fed-our-wo
rst-instincts-his-global-legacy-is-toxic-and-immoral

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The Biggest Remaining Challenge in Stopping the Coronavirus: Miscreants and freeloaders are holding up the rest of us.

On April 15, at a hearing on the coronavirus pandemic, Rep. Jim Jordan harangued Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. Jordan, an outspoken critic of mask mandates, demanded to know when Americans would “get their liberties back and be able to move on with their lives.” Fauci explained that the answer depended on progress in vaccination, which in turn depended on how many people were willing to roll up their sleeves. Jordan, who had passed up an invitation to get vaccinated in December—and had reiterated in March that he was in “no hurry” to get his shot—ignored Fauci’s point and went on with his tirade.

This is the paradox we’re dealing with as we try to get control of the virus: People who won’t get vaccinated—in many cases, the same people who defy mask orders and other public health measures—are holding us back from resuming normal life. In many cases, they’re deliberate freeloaders. They’re counting on the rest of us to suppress the pandemic—and thereby protect them—by getting vaccinated, while they refuse to do the same.

Millions of people won’t wear masks, won’t respect social distance, won’t quarantine when they’re exposed to the virus, won’t take recommended precautions to protect the vulnerable—and won’t get vaccinated when it’s their turn, either. A nation of Anthony Faucis is trapped in a nation of Jim Jordans.

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20210503105049/https://slate.com/news-and-
politics/2021/05/coronavirus-challenge-vaccine-refusers.html

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Fuck your guilt tactics.

I predicted long ago you would be using them. Long before your Media Masters planted that seed into your pea brain.

Fuck Fauchi. Fuck the CDC. Fuck the WHO. Fuck the vaccine. Fuck the masks. Fuck the Legacy Media. Fuck the fear. Fuck the guilt.

Fuck you.

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SLOPPY, you come here and lie with every post - then you criticize republicans for being liars. The only lesson I think you learned in Vietnam is that once you got scammed, it made you free to scam everyone else.

And the only problem you have with Trump is that he was far more successful at it than you.

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SLOPPY, you come here and lie with every post - then you criticize republicans for being liars. The only lesson I think you learned in Vietnam is that once you got scammed, it made you free to scam everyone else.

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A story from what Trump calls "The Failing New York Times": How Humanity Gave Itself an Extra Life

Between 1920 and 2020, the average human life span doubled. How did we do it? Science mattered — but so did activism. ("activism" is the part that Trumptards and Trump get weird about.)

In September 1918, a flu virus began spreading through Camp Devens, an overcrowded military base just outside Boston. By the end of the second week of the outbreak, one in five soldiers at the base had come down with the illness. But the speed with which it spread through the camp was not nearly as shocking as the lethality. “It is only a matter of a few hours then until death comes,” a camp physician wrote. “It is horrible. One can stand it to see one, two or 20 men die, but to see these poor devils dropping like flies sort of gets on your nerves. We have been averaging about 100 deaths per day.”

The devastation at Camp Devens would soon be followed by even more catastrophic outbreaks, as the so-called Spanish flu — a strain of influenza virus that science now identifies as H1N1 — spread around the world. In the United States, it would cause nearly half of all deaths over the next year. In what was already a time of murderous war, the disease killed millions more on the front lines and in military hospitals in Europe; in some populations in India, the mortality rate for those infected approached 20 percent. The best estimates suggest that as many as 100 million people died from the Great Influenza outbreak that eventually circled the globe. To put that in comparison, roughly three million people have died from Covid-19 over the past year, on a planet with four times as many people.

There was another key difference between these two pandemics. The H1N1 outbreak of 1918-19 was unusually lethal among young adults, normally the most resilient cohort during ordinary flu seasons. Younger people experienced a precipitous drop in expected life during the H1N1 outbreak, while the life expectancies of much older people were unaffected. In the United States, practically overnight, average life expectancy plunged to 47 from 54; in England and Wales, it fell more than a decade, from a historic height of 54 to an Elizabethan-era 41. India experienced average life expectancy below 30 years.

During the century since the end of the Great Influenza outbreak, the average human life span has doubled. There are few measures of human progress more astonishing than this. If you were to publish a newspaper that came out just once a century, the banner headline surely would — or should — be the declaration of this incredible feat. But of course, the story of our extra life span almost never appears on the front page of our actual daily newspapers, because the drama and heroism that have given us those additional years are far more evident in hindsight than they are in the moment. That is, the story of our extra life is a story of progress in its usual form: brilliant ideas and collaborations unfolding far from the spotlight of public attention, setting in motion incremental improvements that take decades to display their true magnitude.

This kind of progress is measured not in events but in nonevents: the smallpox infection that didn’t kill you at age 2; the accidental scrape that didn’t give you a lethal bacterial infection; the drinking water that didn’t poison you with cholera. In a sense, human beings have been increasingly protected by an invisible shield, one that has been built, piece by piece, over the last few centuries, keeping us ever safer and further from death. It protects us through countless interventions, big and small: the chlorine in our drinking water, th

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https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/two-months-later-hows-the-liftin
g-of-the-mask-mandate-going-in-texas/

LOL

Democrats caught in another huge hypocrisy.

How do they keep doing this to themselves? /rhetorical questions



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I see the pussy trolls won't post what they believe the death toll from the virus is. No surprise there. They can't because they know the number is the one I've been updating.

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It's ZERO. It's always been ZERO.

Eat shit, worm.

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It's ZERO. It's always been ZERO.

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New Study Says U.S. Covid Death Toll Is Actually 900,000, Far Higher Than Reported
By Elliot Hannon May 07, 2021 8:10 AM
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/05/covid-death-toll-underrepo
rted-higher-excess-deaths-study.html

It’s always been near certain that the U.S., along with every other nation, has severely undercounted the number of coronavirus cases and deaths attributed to the virus. The speed and scale of the pandemic made getting an accurate reading of its impact a challenge, but, as of Friday, the numbers in the U.S. currently stand at more than 32 million reported cases resulting in 580,000 deaths. Those numbers compiled by Johns Hopkins are grim, but a new analysis by researchers at the University of Washington puts the death toll in the U.S. far higher at 905,000 deaths.
www.reuters.com/article/healthcoronavirus-casualties/global-covid-19-d
eath-toll-more-than-double-official-estimates-ihme-idUSL4N2MT4FK

The team at the university’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation says the undercount globally is even greater than in the U.S. and that the global death toll is approaching 7 million, more than double the official recorded tally. The researchers found that the number of coronavirus-attributed deaths in a given country is largely dependent on the levels of testing. In most parts of the world, deaths that occur outside a hospital setting don’t get attributed to Covid because they likely were never tested for the virus. The severity of the pandemic has, understandably, meant that health officials have focused their resources on treating patients and saving lives, not surveying the symptoms of the deceased.

The analysis of by the University of Washington researchers came to its revised, higher death toll by using the excess mortality from March 2020 through May 3, 2021 and comparing it to a nonpandemic year with a few adjustments. In the U.S., the researchers said just about all of the excess deaths could numerically be attributed to Covid because increases in certain types of pandemic adjacent deaths, like drug overdoses, were offset by a declines in other areas, like flu deaths, which were far lower last year because everyone was at home.

Undercounting of Covid-19 deaths is greatest in pro-Trump areas, analysis shows

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Tens of thousands of Covid-19 deaths are going unreported in the U.S., with far more missed in counties that strongly supported former President Trump, according to new research.

The figures suggest that political leanings have helped suppress the true scale of deaths. In cases where the deceased didn’t have a Covid-19 test, a coroner or medical examiner has the freedom to interpret symptoms.

“There’s potentially latitude to make a judgement call conditional on a set of beliefs about Covid and whether it represents a serious problem or a hoax,” said Andrew Stokes, a professor of global health at Boston University School of Public Health who performed the analysis for STAT.

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https://www.statnews.com/2021/01/25/undercounting-covid-19-deaths-grea
test-in-pro-trump-areas-analysis-shows/


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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It's ZERO. It's always been ZERO.

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I have not known any Texas Trumptards to claim the death toll is zero. You might not be alone, 6ix, but "ZERO" is not a frequent answer when Trumptards are asked the question: "How many Americans died from Covid-19?"

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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I'm not a Trumptard. I'm not a Republican.

The death count of Covid is ZERO. It has always been ZERO.

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Social Security Sees Slowdown in Retiree Rolls Amid Covid Deaths

The rate of growth in retired Americans who collect Social Security has slowed down sharply, and the drop may be due in part to the disproportionate number of deaths from Covid-19 among the elderly.



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-03/social-security-see
s-slowdown-in-retiree-rolls-amid-covid-deaths


All those old people, who were sucking at Jack's money, who died of COVID-19 instead, should put a smile on Jack's face. Maybe he'd even cheer about COVID-19, the way RF did about his dead political adversaries.

Except - nobody dies of COVID-19. So Jack has nothing to cheer about except that all those old people are dead. Bummer.

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The Pandemic: The true reasons why the West failed

Soon, over 1.5 million people will have died of COVID in Western countries. Meanwhile, in a block of Asia-Pacific countries with a population over twice as big, they lost 18,000 people.

By the way, that death count in the West is an understatement. Counting excess deaths, you get 735,000 COVID deaths in the US. That’s more than all combat deaths the US has ever had (~660k) in all wars.

More at https://3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2021/05/the-pandemic-the-true-re
asons-why-the-west-failed.html

The countries that did well locked down early on, if and when there were too many cases to handle in any other way. Once case numbers were under control, they kept them low or at zero with a good test-trace-isolate program that included a good border fence.

The European Union started really well, applying a Hammer to reduce cases to a manageable level. By June 30th they were so close!

But then they opened borders and never set up proper test-trace-isolate programs. The rest was written on the wall. The US, meanwhile, never even tried. There, nearly 80% of COVID deaths happened after June 30th 2020, by which time they should have already known how to manage the pandemic properly.

We can say it’s a combination of hesitations and simply poor management. If you live in the West and know somebody who got infected with COVID, ask them about their experience:

Did they immediately receive a call from a contact tracer?

Did they collaborate with the contact tracer?

Did they exhaustively go through all their contacts?

Did the tracers contact all their contacts within 24 hours?

Were they successful getting cooperation from the contacts they called?

Did they get a mandate to stay home?

Were they taken to an isolation facility?

Did an app, the police, or someone else check with them to make sure that they respected the isolation?

Were there mechanisms to penalize those who didn’t respect the isolations?

Was there a similar process for contacts, whereby these were mandated to stay home and their quarantine was monitored, enforced, and penalized if not respected?

Were COVID tests required 24h before a trip? (not 72h)

Were all travelers required to quarantine on arrival?

Was that traveler quarantine monitored and enforced?

Was there a new negative test after 4 or more days required to leave the quarantine?

Every country that has been successful has done some variant of these bullet points. For the countries that failed, they failed at doing most of these points.

For example, most Western governments didn’t get contact tracers’ powers to get cooperation from the people. As a result, many people didn’t want to cooperate, which made tracing contacts extremely difficult.

To take another example, most Western countries still only require a negative COVID test from 72h before arrival. That is an ample window for them to catch the virus and export it.

Western governments were happy fining people who didn’t respect lockdowns—Spain and France had each at least 1 million fines for that—but didn’t fine anybody who skipped isolations and quarantines.

Similarly, most Western governments didn’t set up proper isolation facilities, or didn’t give people money, drugs or food during quarantines.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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587,507

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CNN's medical analyst called Tucker Carlson a vaccine 'saboteur,' and challenged him to say if he has taken the jab

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cnn-s-medical-analyst-called-tucker-
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Tucker Carlson is pandering to his audience, which isn't vaccinated: About 13% of American adults don’t want a COVID-19 vaccine, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. Republicans are the most resistant; nearly 3 in 10 say they don’t want one. The share is greater among rural, Republican men, 35% of whom don’t want to get a vaccine.
www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2021/04/23/
republican-men-are-vaccine-hesitant-but-theres-little-focus-on-them

Tucker Carlson knows his audience and he says what he must to keep them. Tucker Carlson was the most-watched host in cable news in April, leading all other shows with an average audience of more than 3 million viewers. If Firefly could have modified episodes on Fox within 24 hours, as Tucker Carlson can on Fox, in order to maintain its audience, Firefly would be in its 19th season.
www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2021/04/27/tucker-carlson-leads-fox-n
ews-to-big-win-in-april-prime-time-ratings/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tucker Carlson is pandering to his audience, which isn't vaccinated: About 13% of American adults don’t want a COVID-19 vaccine, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. Republicans are the most resistant; nearly 3 in 10 say they don’t want one. The share is greater among rural, Republican men, 35% of whom don’t want to get a vaccine.
www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2021/04/23/
republican-men-are-vaccine-hesitant-but-theres-little-focus-on-them

Tucker Carlson knows his audience and he says what he must to keep them. Tucker Carlson was the most-watched host in cable news in April, leading all other shows with an average audience of more than 3 million viewers. If Firefly could have modified episodes on Fox within 24 hours, as Tucker Carlson can on Fox, in order to maintain its audience, Firefly would be in its 19th season.
www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2021/04/27/tucker-carlson-leads-fox-n
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You're stating the obvious TWO. A not widely known fact is that he has little sponsorship, but for again obvious reasons, FOX keeps him around. His fans are a lesson in stupidity and hatefulness.

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When you start calling out your own, Ted, people will take you more seriously when you call out people you don't agree with.

That can be applied in the actual real world just like it can be applied here.


Where's your boy Roomba, BTW?

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That's a very broad and stupid generalization. I give my Grandma shit nearly every day for wasting the last of her years watching nothing but news. She'll argue to me that she watches everything, but any time I've been over there she's always got FOX News on, just like she did when I lived there 20 years ago.

She's vaccinated.

I'd be willing to bet that a lot of people who would watch CNN over FOX aren't vaccinated either.

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Well... these stats are pure bullshit. I've actually been keeping track of these things while doing my passport ban thread.

Even most of the blue states have seen the amount of covid shots being done declining so steeply that they're only taking a small portion of their monthly allotment so they don't go to waste.

Far more than 13% of adults don't want vaccinations.

That's propaganda. They won't be able to keep lying about that soon.

What will they start taking from us first?

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“There is an overrepresentation of governments led by populist leaders among the worst performers” against COVID-19, Frenk told me, also citing the examples of Bolsonaro (Brazil), López Obrador (Mexico), and Trump. “I’m not saying it’s a cause-and-effect relationship,” he added, “but it’s hard to find any example of a country with a populist leader that has done well.”

Frenk listed four common attributes of various populist leaders who have mishandled the pandemic:

First, “the tendency to underestimate or dismiss expertise,” because “experts are considered part of the corrupt elites that the populist leader is going to defend people from”;

second, “the distrust of science” and of the sort of “independent, critical thinking” that populist leaders with authoritarian inclinations dislike;

third, the impulse to divide citizens between the “good people embodied by the populist leader” and “the corrupt elites,” even going so far as to politicize public-health measures such as mask wearing, rather than instilling in the public “a sense of shared destiny”;

and fourth, the instinct to “trap themselves in a narrative” and then “refuse to acknowledge that they were wrong” and correct course, blaming others instead. The governments that have performed best against COVID-19, by contrast, have implemented policies “informed by science and by expertise and by political leaders who unify the country.”

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/05/covid-19-lays-bare-price-pop
ulism/618838/
COVID-19 Lays Bare the Price of Populism. Price does not mean deaths only, but also economic loss and $trillion government spending, spending which would NOT have been needed but for gross government incompetency at handling the earliest stages of a crisis.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Not interested.

www.theatlantic.com/any article we've ever fabricated/

Also not interested.

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Trumptards' instincts trap them in a narrative and then they refuse to acknowledge that they were wrong and correct course, blaming others instead. The governments that have performed best against COVID-19, by contrast, have implemented policies informed by science and by expertise and by political leaders who unify the country.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Nah.

They're just using different fake algorithms when they cook up their fake death numbers.

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New cases in India 323,000+ ?

Coronavirus live news: India variant found in 44 countries – WHO; Taiwan faces new outbreak
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/may/12/coronavirus-live-ne
ws-india-variant-found-in-44-countries-who-taiwan-faces-new-outbreak?page=with:block-609b44938f08162fadb185d7


cases and deaths by region
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_by_country_and_territo
ry#Cases_and_deaths_by_region

India's COVID-19 death toll exceeds 250,000 after deadliest 24 hours of pandemic
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/india-covid19-death-toll-1.6023704

Rare 'black fungus' increasingly found in COVID-19 patients in India
https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/55316
5-rare-black-fungus-increasingly-found-in-covid

What is 'black fungus'? The deadly infection afflicting COVID-19 patients in India
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/what-is-black-fungus-the-dea
dly-infection-afflicting-covid-19-patients-in-india-1.5424962

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The Mutant Indian Evolution is Starting to Arrive?

Coronavirus strain fueling India crisis is the newest ‘variant of concern’ and is spreading globally
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/coronavirus-strain-fueling-i
ndia-crisis-is-the-newest-variant-of-concern-and-is-spreading-globally/

India’s COVID-19 variant arrives in Boise area. It joins several other variants detected here
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/coronavirus/article251391633.html
Idaho Statesman

Nine Republican-Led States Reject All COVID-19 Unemployment Benefits
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/nine-republican-led-states-reject-
all-covid-19-unemployment-benefits

Post Vax Mammograms Showing Alarming Cancer Signs In Healthy Women?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/doctors-fear-covid-19-vaccine
s-are-messing-with-mammograms/ar-BB1gEfBO

Woman, 35, dies from brain bleed days after getting COVID vaccine
https://www.fox17online.com/news/local-news/ionia/ionia-co-womans-deat
h-after-getting-j-j-vaccine-reported-to-the-cdc

Scientists Hopeful That Vaccines Will Work On Coronavirus Variant In India
https://www.nhpr.org/post/scientists-hopeful-vaccines-will-work-corona
virus-variant-india
New Hampshire Public Radio

India variant found in 44 countries

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Deaths 590,463

U.S. administers 270.8 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines: CDC

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u-s-administers-270-8-million-doses-
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