Vote for Firefly (We're #3)! XII
POSTED BY: FlatTop
UPDATED: Tuesday, March 6, 2007 17:00
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Today's Numbers
Total Votes (Range to show)
Xena(1): 221,328 (54,664)
Bonanza(2): 181,279 (14,615)
Firefly(3): 166,664 (0)
Votes Gained Today (Wk.Avg.) Avg.
Xena(1): 1,414 (1,433) 649
…Consecutive Days > Firefly: 9
…Best in 1 Day: 1,497 (record for all time best, Feb 22, 2007)
Bonanza(2): 650 (745) 651
Firefly(3): 1,207 (1,196) 866
...Consecutive days > 1K: 8
…Best Day (Nov. 29, 2006): 1,365
Closure Rate Today (Wk.Avg.) Avg.
Xena(1): -207 (-237) 217
Bonanza(2): 557 (451) 215
Days to Intercept Today (Wk.Avg.) Avg.
Xena(1): Never (Never) 252
Bonanza(2): 26 (32) 68
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Not bad at all for a weekend vote!
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Damned fine numbers for Firefly! Especially as it was a Sunday!
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Not impressed at all with the TVTally site. Yes, Firefly tops the show lists and that is certainly good.
But the "episode" list is just an average rating of the 1-to-10-style of votes that people give each episode. I contacted TVTally with suggestions for improving their episode ranking, but even though they had prompted me for suggestions in detail, they chose to ignore my suggestions. They don't appear to be very good at math. As a result - all of the episodes in their top 25 list have nearly the same number of points. It'll then boil down to only fractions of a point difference between their episodes.
Plus they appear to round to the nearest 1/100th point and then list alphabetically after that. Pffft.
Here is part of their list:
Objects in Space Firefly 8.74/368
Family Jewels Las Vegas 8.71/7
Albatross Law&Order: 8.71/7
Friends&Lovers NCIS 8.71/7
Once More, With Feeling
Buffy the Vampire Slayer 8.66/454
Family Jewels had 6 votes at "10", and was in first place. All it took was a vote of "1" to put it in 2nd place. The Buffy episode has had 450+ votes, but is behind a group of 7 vote episodes.
That is almost a useless poll. But TVTally doesn't realize that all of the episodes will pop to the top quickly as six people give it a "10" then all settle down to 8.71.
(I'm still casting votes for "show", but "episode" is a waste.)
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But ....
Xena got more 
Didn't I see somewhere that there are over 25000 members of this site? If we all voted, we could take the no 1 spot in a day - [iA DAY!!
We can't let Xena draw away from us! Get voting, people!
'I only hit my head is all'
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Not impressed at all with the TVTally site. Yes, Firefly tops the show lists and that is certainly good.
But the "episode" list is ...
... is almost a useless poll. But TVTally doesn't realize that all of the episodes will pop to the top quickly as six people give it a "10" then all settle down to 8.71.
(I'm still casting votes for "show", but "episode" is a waste.)
The episode voting on tvtally is problematic. (I started a thread in their forum about it)
A major problem is the people voting negatively - check out farscapes episodes. I, personally, 10'd all the unranked episodes, just to test my theory, and a few hours later, someone had com along and 1'd them all.
Unfair, and it happens to anything that rises above Firefly/Buffy.
I mean, most if not all Firefly eps should have a perfect 10, no?
So who gave less than 10? Not any of us, surely?
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Something else I noticed is that the TV Tally episode ranking only lists the top episode of each show. At one time Firefly had the top 8 or 9 spots.Now it's only Objects in Space(which I just downloaded from iTunes. My loaner isn't back yet).
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Originally posted by Yardarm:
Unfair, and it happens to anything that rises above Firefly/Buffy.
I mean, most if not all Firefly eps should have a perfect 10, no?
So who gave less than 10? Not any of us, surely?
On the other hand, the more votes you get overall, the less susceptible you are to negative votes.
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Originally posted by WackyNephew:
Something else I noticed is that the TV Tally episode ranking only lists the top episode of each show. At one time Firefly had the top 8 or 9 spots.Now it's only Objects in Space(which I just downloaded from iTunes. My loaner isn't back yet).
My guess is that they made a change to only allow one show's episode per spot. That was a stop-gap measure. They also don't count shows until they get 6 votes.
Soon all of the shows on the list will have a score of about 8.71. OiS is at 8.74, but will get a few more "1" votes.
Show X gets 5 "10" votes, but does not appear until the 6th vote (likely a "10"). Then it has a score of 10/6. Next it gets a "1" vote and then has a score of 8.71. It'll get more "10"s and more "1"s and like all of the other episodes will settle at 8.71.
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This is too complicated. Let's make it simpler with a bump!
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I came across a tally from a year ago. Which reveals some interesting trends;
SHOW / VOTES - Total votes recorded as of 02/19/06
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Xena: The Warrior Princess 73595
Farscape 40495
Queer As Folk 34960
La Femme Nikita 29010
The X-Files 18703
The Man from U.N.C.L.E. 17626
Angel 15389
Roswell 14369
Firefly 9409
Buffy the Vampire Slayer 7135
Star Trek: The Original Series 6823
The L Word 5323
Stargate: SG1 4918
Scarecrow and Mrs. King 4625
Bonanza 4234
A year ago, Zena was still number 1, and by a larger margin, over a different number 2 (Farscape.) Bonanza was number 15. Talk about fan power. Even Firefly was doing better (twice as better, and at number 9). In the last year, the Bonanza fans added 177,000 votes, while we added 156,000 (although in a shorter period of time, as we didn't really get into this race until a few months ago). Xenites added 148,000 votes in the last year. No one else has even come close to the voting action by the top 3. Gunsmoke has, however, come from way back in the pack. And where are the Buffy fans? There are lots of them, and they are natural allies of ours.
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Guess who I BUMPed into today.
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I swallowed a bump.
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'Cause everybody knows that bumpin' aint allowed in school
David
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...time to bump....
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Xena and Bonanza? - Need to get busy FireFly Fans.
You can vote every 60 minutes. How long does this poll go on?
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poll is neverending...like our love of Firefly!
voted and bumped
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Xena and Bonanza? - Need to get busy FireFly Fans.
You can vote every 60 minutes. How long does this poll go on?
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Never... 
Well, uh, not to sound cold-hearted, but... they gotta die sometime, right? 
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Still voting. Bump.
Siri
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Quote:
Originally posted by yinyang:
Never...
Well, uh, not to sound cold-hearted, but... they gotta die sometime, right?
Their heirs are legally obligated to either keep the site up, or donate the money to a home for flea infested mice. So it's forever ;-)
And I believe it was pointed out from the very beginging that the episode voting on TVtally is useless, and worse, divisive. I personally suspect that folks are assuming that it is firefly fans who are tearing down the other episodes from up top. I sincerely hope it isn't.
I recommend simply ignoring the episode voting.
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Special vote day: Nathan Fillion's birthday - March 27th
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Bump for only one working day this week and the rest is holiday!
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Happy Holiday bump.
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bump for no holiday..(boo hoo)...late night boring meeting this evening (grrrr)...but sunny day and warmer! (yay!)
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Holiday? What holiday?
Work-day bump from Bulgaria!
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Excuse me, but is this bump taken?
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..pardon me....this bump's 4U
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Did you bring enough bump for everyone?
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Morning bump
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Today's Numbers
Total Votes (Range to show)
Xena(1): 222,742 (54,762)
Bonanza(2): 182,066 (14,086)
Firefly(3): 167,980 (0)
Votes Gained Today (Wk.Avg.) Avg.
Xena(1): 1,414 (1,433) 654
…Consecutive Days > Firefly: 10
…Best in 1 Day: 1,497 (record for all time best, Feb 22, 2007)
Bonanza(2): 787 (751) 652
Firefly(3): 1,316 (1,209) 869
...Consecutive days > 1K: 9
…Best Day (Nov. 29, 2006): 1,365
Closure Rate Today (Wk.Avg.) Avg.
Xena(1): -98 (-224) 215
Bonanza(2): 529 (458) 217
Days to Intercept Today (Wk.Avg.) Avg.
Xena(1): Never (Never) 255
Bonanza(2): 27 (31) 65
We didn't take the day, but we were only 98 votes behind the Xenites! Good Job!!
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Will bump for food.
David
"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de
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Regardless of what Xena is doing, breaking 1300 is worth celebration! Hopefully we can keep the numbers above that mark from now. KEEP VOTING BROWNCOATS!!!!!!
-e
"Storms getting worse."
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Hey, weren't we doing a big vote day for Adams birthday also?
Bump for Adams birthday. 
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Did Xena really get exactly the same number of votes today as yesterday?
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Quote:
Originally posted by mrben:
Did Xena really get exactly the same number of votes today as yesterday?
mrben
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It certainly appears that way. It happens on occasion. Not often, but not unheard of.
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bump
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"We'll pass through it soon enough."
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1316, very nice. If we can keep it around 1300 everyday it would be awesome.
Keep it up Browncoats 
I know we've been down a bit with Xena putting up such big numbers but hey, remember the saying 'There's always someone worse off' and in this case it BONANZA LOL
At least we're not losing a place, whereas the poor cowpokes or whatever they're called will be very shortly be losing 2nd place to the almight Firefly. So chin up Browncoats, it could be worse....just ask the Bonanza bunch
lol
I AIM TO MISBEHAVE
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Not down....
no frown...
'cuz my coat
is brown!
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VUMP
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Anyone else getting this message repeatedly?
Quote:
500 Internal Server Error
The server has encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
-e
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love me, love my bump.
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Voted for mayor bump.
David
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Quote:
Originally posted by derangedmilk:
Anyone else getting this message repeatedly?Quote:
500 Internal Server Error
The server has encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
I've seen it before, but not today.
Perhaps these would be more useful as error messages:
Your file is corrupt
The backup cannot be found
Please begin again
The network is down
Tech support has gone to sleep
Go outside and play
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Quote:
Originally posted by FlatTop:
The network is down
Tech support has gone to sleep
Go outside and play
Tee hee.
Ziggy plated guitar, jamming good with Weird and Gilly,
The spiders from mars. He played it left hand,
But made it too far,
Became the special man, then we were Ziggy's band.
David
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feeling a bit bumpish
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1300 bumps is more like it.
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HI EVERYONE!!!
I just registered to serenitymovie.org and posted about the same thing there (and to the soooo old vote for firefly III thread in this very forum) that I will here, so sorry if some of you see it twice. It's soooo late here...
It's good to meet you guys! I'm from Hungary, and I am watching Firefly only the 2nd time these days icon_smile.gif Ok, I'm coming pretty late, but hey, at least I saw the episodes in the correct order! ;)
Ok, maybe you'll hear more about me later, but now let's get down to business...
The Xena votes... 3rd plot up here... Did you notice any funny patterns? Well, I did... Strangely flat distribution (around 600 votes/week) for 2+ months, then a sudden rise to almost the double of it at the end of January... Incidentally, 600 votes equals 4 "people" voting each hour, 24/7... As Reyclou put it at another place: "Methinks most of them are scripts or bots - automatic vote generators that have been going since this thing began."
I say let's kick those bots into the engine!
Install Greasemonkey in Firefox from https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/748/, restart FF, click my goodie http://firefly.dreamhosters.com/firefly.user.js, then go to http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/index.html, wait a few seconds and enjoy the shinyness! Then leave it there for an hour, and... you'll see...
BUT: Please don't abuse it, as all we need is to keep up with the 8 or so Xena bots I suspect we're dealing with.
No need for dirty tricks. No power in the 'verse can stop us!
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A just seeing where it's all at BUMP
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I don't care if the bump is taking, I'm making another one shamelessly.
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Welcome all newbies!! Time to wake up and VOTE!!
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vote/bump
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Double-post-y goodness
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bump
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....It's Vensday...Vote Voraciously
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Vokay Vister.
-e
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ooooo, I LIKE that, perhaps I should change my "name".... 170,000 TOMORROW!
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Today's Numbers
Total Votes (Range to show)
Xena(1): 224,153 (54,861)
Bonanza(2): 182,767 (13,475)
Firefly(3): 169,292 (0)
Votes Gained Today (Wk.Avg.) Avg.
Xena(1): 1,411 (1,423) 660
…Consecutive Days > Firefly: 11
…Best in 1 Day: 1,497 (record for all time best, Feb 22, 2007)
Bonanza(2): 701 (745) 653
Firefly(3): 1,312 (1,218) 873
...Consecutive days > 1K: 10
…Best Day (Nov. 29, 2006): 1,365
Closure Rate Today (Wk.Avg.) Avg.
Xena(1): -99 (-205) 213
Bonanza(2): 611 (473) 220
Days to Intercept Today (Wk.Avg.) Avg.
Xena(1): Never (Never) 258
Bonanza(2): 22 (28) 61
Another 1300+ day! We are still in the hunt Browncoats!
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Niiiiiiiiiiice!
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We're coming for you, Bonanzites...
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Cool - looks like March is Number 2 month :)
The Xenites are scarily consistent now - wonder how they managed it. I can't believe there aren't a tonne of people who would happily vote that Xena _isn't_ the best show of all time.
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...we can't make #2 until MARCH!!??? (talk about constipation...)
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...we can't make #2 until MARCH!!??? (talk about constipation...)
Um... January, February, MARCH
March starts tomorrow mei mei, I think you were thinking of May....

-e
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..thank GAWD! (bump vote)
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Bump and a question:
Is anyone here nominating any shows? Personally I've been working on Heroes but just curious about any others out there.
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Bump.
Don't think about waterfalls, rivers, or ocean waves Sister. We aren't making #1 until there's a big change in voting behavior 
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oh, dear......COME ON PEOPLE VOTE!!! I HAVE TO... (well you know)
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couldn't WAIT! Voted and bumped.
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home now...voting and bumping! I LOVE it when I can get home under the hour rule...heee heee heee
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bump
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Quote:
Originally posted by JLin:
Bump and a question:
Is anyone here nominating any shows? Personally I've been working on Heroes but just curious about any others out there.
Thank Universal for airing Firefly in HD at
http://universalhd.com/Firefly/
I have been nominating Gilmore Girls. I may be the only one though. Heroes is a very good show. I also like Lost very much. They all deserve to be in the top 40.
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bump
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Quote:
Originally posted by JLin:
Bump and a question:
Is anyone here nominating any shows? Personally I've been working on Heroes but just curious about any others out there.
Thank Universal for airing Firefly in HD at
http://universalhd.com/Firefly/
A few of us are trying to get a decent kid's show on the top 40... Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood
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Originally posted by Rookie:
... and don't forget my shiny FlyVote substitute: http://firefly.dreamhosters.com/firefly.user.js -- this goodie needs Firefox w/Greasmonkey ( https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/748/)
What exactly does this do? Another Flyvote for Firefox?
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If I wanted bumping, I'd have gone to a gorram bump.
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"You all still be here when I wake up ?"
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Divert the nav-sats to the Flyvote? Right..coz teenage pranks are fun when you're about to BUMP
'I only hit my head is all'
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Heres to another 1300+ day bump
I AIM TO MISBEHAVE
'You can't take the sky from me'
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It makes you not forget voting, so to say.
When I saw the 3rd plot on this thread, I got the feeling that something strange is going on here. If you look at the Xena votes, you can notice a funny pattern that distinguishes it from the rest of the shows: The average number of Xena votes remains unusually steady for a while, and then it grows hundreds in a day. Look at Feb 2 and Feb 16. I guess we’re dealing with one or two heavyweight fans who run several gorram bots…
So, I decided to wrote a Firefly version. First it was fully automatic
, but then my conscience kicked in, and now it's just a FlyVote substitute.
How it works: After opening http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/index.html, the script ticks the Firefly checkbox, then it asks if you wanna vote. Then you click OK. Then it waits 61 minutes, reloads the page, and it starts from the beginning :)
My shiny FlyVote substitute: http://firefly.dreamhosters.com/firefly.user.js -- this goodie needs Firefox w/Greasmonkey ( https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/748/) -- then just visit http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/index.html 
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Careful, now. Wouldn't want a whole load of cancelled votes.
'I only hit my head is all'
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One vote an hour....one step at a time
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bump before the storms hit
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Is that you being taciturn, Casual?
'I only hit my head is all'
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bumpin' in the rain, just bumpin' in the rain...
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Quote:
Originally posted by JLin:
Bump and a question:
Is anyone here nominating any shows? Personally I've been working on Heroes but just curious about any others out there.
I've been nominating Cowboy Bebop.
I think that was Casual's way of giving a nihilist bump.
-e
"Storms getting worse."
"We'll pass through it soon enough."
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It's completely legal to use timers, so don't worry:
Quote:
"About timers - Like FlyVote - thought we didn't know about that, Browncoats? Hun dan! We're honored to have software created all special just for our site! And in three shiny flavors too!
"But we don't frelling care what bots you run on your own system to remind you to vote. In fact, we recommended such an app a while back in our Group postings under the title Desktop Alarm Clock for Intrepid Voters. How you remember to vote is up to you. We want your votes fair and square is all."
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Today's Numbers
Total Votes (Range to show)
Xena(1): 225,525 (54,745)
Bonanza(2): 183,468 (12,688)
Firefly(3): 170,780 (0)
Votes Gained Today (Wk.Avg.) Avg.
Xena(1): 1,372 (1,405) 664
…Consecutive Days > Firefly: 0
…Best Day (Feb 22, 2007): 1,497 (record for all time best)
Bonanza(2): 701 (728) 653
Firefly(3): 1,488 (1,259) 877
...Consecutive days > 1K: 11
…Best Day (March 1, 2007): 1,488 <-- NEW RECORD
*Invokes Drill-Instructor voice*
Holy
! What in the
do we have here!? I think these 
pieces of civilian
may finally be getting the hang of it! Out
in'Standing!
Closure Rate Today (Wk.Avg.) Avg.
Xena(1): 116
(-146) 213
Bonanza(2): 787 (531) 224
Days to Intercept Today (Wk.Avg.) Avg.
Xena(1): 472 (Never) 257
Bonanza(2): 16 (24) 57
Not only a new record high for Firefly, but 116 votes above Xena too!!
Keep it up Browncoats!
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Now we push HARDER! C'mon browncoats! Spread the word more!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Yardarm:
Is that you being taciturn, Casual?
'I only hit my head is all'
Zen bump.

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Captain, FFF.net Grammar Police
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Yeehaaah. A hoorayie kind of day.
I've always liked the number 1488.
'I only hit my head is all'
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I've been nominating Arrested Development. If any Firefly fans want ANOTHER reason to hate F*X, watch Arrested Development. Much like Firefly, it is also brilliance that was sabotaged by "the man".
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My friend who (I think) first talked me about Firefly showed me Cowboy Bebop just last week. That show's shiny! I guess Joss got a few ideas from it for Firefly.
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Just fixed a little thing in firefly.user.js for Greasemonkey for Firefox -- in case it didn't work for you, now it probably will. Links are somewhere above...
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WOOO HOOOO! GO BROWNCOATS!
How good are we? I had to check my calculations 3times lol 1488!!!!
Let's be the 1st to hit 1500
Tis a grand day 
I AIM TO MISBEHAVE
'You can't take the sky from me'
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Quote:
Originally posted by ayceofspades:
Please vote for thebreastcancersite on Flyvote.
Every day, first thing in the day!
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Be aware there's some problem at the site and a number of people are indicating it. For details, read here:
http://groups.google.com/group/tv_vote/browse_frm/thread/d176fddbced9d
a90/1fbfeb9b3466504e#1fbfeb9b3466504e
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...Thrusting Thursday Numbers!!!
Keep votin' till you get the vapors!!!
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Vumpage!
Got through clean just now LeadB
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HOLY COW!!!!!!!! That makes me so frackin' happy! Now lets break 1500...

-e
"Storms getting worse."
"We'll pass through it soon enough."
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I keep voting - you keep voting - my daughter covers for me when she uses computer. Don't get the Xena thing. Saw one episode many moon ago. Only one warrior woman I can appreciate. I remember Bonanza, but I am older. Most people who may have loved that show may not even have access to a computer in the nursing home.
I vote for Angel and Buffy also - Give Joss the power.
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