Countdown Clock to Trumps impeachment " STARTS"
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Quote:The GOP has Six Sigmaed Social Security/Medicare but it continues only because of Democrats. Republicans' Public Opposition To Social Security And Medicare
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And yet, look at that... the sun still rises.
Somebody really needs to Six Sigma the Government and get rid of all of those unnecessary positions.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.forbes.com/sites/teresaghilarducci/2018/11/02/republican-public-op
position-to-social-security-and-medicare/
It seems Senator McConnell, usually careful not to rock the boat before the upcoming midterm elections, did not set out to tell the electorate that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid cuts were high on the Republican agenda. It appeared to be a slip as he was caught off guard defending the Republican tax cut . . .
The Republican Party has always been associated with opposition to Social Security. Economic historian Max Skidmore shows that the final vote for Social Security was lopsided--only 2% of Democrats voted against it (because it wasn't generous enough) while 33% of Republicans voted against Social Security.
Historian Arthur Schlesinger (page 311) notes that the Republicans echoed corporate opposition to Social Security. A representative of the Illinois manufacturers testified that if Social Security was passed it would undermine America by “destroying initiative, discouraging thrift, and stifling individual responsibility.” In 1935, Republican congressman John Taber said Social Security “is designed to prevent business recovery, to enslave workers, and to prevent any possibility of the employers providing work for the people.”
In the 1970s the conservative Cato Institute made shrinking Social Security through privatization its primary objective and in 2005 George W. Bush tried to replace Social Security . . .
When Medicare was first being considered Senate Republican Robert Dole (then in the House) voted against it. Also in opposition to Medicare, in a famous 1964 speech, Ronald Reagan explained that his opposition to Social Security and Medicare is why he switched from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party. He called Social Security “welfare” and said of the possible regret in not stopping the passage of Medicare: “One of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it once was like in America when men were free.”
When Vice President Mike Pence was in Congress he opposed passage of Medicare's Part D, the drug benefit, and complained that Bush's proposal to partially privatize Social Security was not enough; Pence proposed deeper cuts to the Social Security program than President Bush. . . .
Read more at www.forbes.com/sites/teresaghilarducci/2018/11/02/republican-public-op
position-to-social-security-and-medicare/
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Quote:More logic-fail from SECONDRATE. And that's not an insult, that's a simple observation.
Well, it certainly doesn't tell the SECONDRATE "you" anything, because there's an epic logic-fail going on with the SECONDRATE "you", most likely caused by an emotional glitch of self-hate projected on to others, plus a soupcon of PTSD. Until the SECONDRATE "you" fixes its emotional glitch, the logic unit will continue to bonk.- SIGNYM
The Mueller report is unequivocal in concluding that even if Trump is criminally innocent of obstruction, it is not for lack of trying. The main reason the investigation wasn’t completely thwarted was not that the president didn’t “endeavor” to thwart it — the definition of criminal obstruction — but rather that Trump’s subordinates refused to comply. -SECONDRATE
You may have noticed, SECONDRATE, that in this country we don't jail people for what they WANT to do, because that would be jailing people for thought-crime. We only jail people for what they have actually done.
And the reason why Mueller made such a pitch for impeachment (aside from the fact that he's a lying deep-state weasel who joined in on the Iraq WMD fiction as easily as he did on the RUSSIA!RUSSIA! fiction) is because he knows that impeachment is a POLITICAL process, not a legal one, and he was hoping that if Congress couldn't impeach Trump they would at least make political points from then until the election.
There are a lot of policy reasons to not like Trump. There are a lot of policy reasons to not vote Republican.
Democrats should be focusing on THOSE, not on RUSSIA!RUSSIA! or Trump's taxes or "obstruction of justice" which are all just empty (and in fact counterproductive) virtue-signalling.
If the Dems keep at it and nothing else changes, Trump has a great chance of winning the next election.
When will the Dems come up with something other than Trump Derangement Syndrome?
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Ok, this thread has gone on long enough.
The people here suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome should, at SOME point, absorb the reality that - just like there was NO collusion* with Russia - IMPEACHMENT IS A DEAD ISSUE. It'll never happen, despite the endless digging into the various pretexts and hoped-for causes ... from Trump taxes to so-called "obstruction" ... impeachment is an itch that'll NEVER be scratched,
So, why are we still talking about this?
Turn your thoughts to more productive uses, something BESIDES trying to rewrite history/ deny reality with an endless stream of words, because no matter how much you throw words at this board Trump isn't going to be impeached.
Here is a thread that deserves your attention:
my platform as presidential candidate - what's yours
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63022
Maybe if we bang our heads together we can come up with a series of potential policy options ... Medicare for all or universal basic income? How to save Social Security? How to reduce greenhouse gases? How much would scaling bakc our military options save us? ... that makes fiscal and economic sense.
It's very possible that the economy will implode and hand the Dems an easy win. It's also very possible that the economy will hang together just long enough to allow Trump a shot at victory.
Either way, there are a lot of people ... people BESIDES the dem base ... who are willing to vote for someone besides Trump ... and the Dems should make sure that their candidate is credible enough to attract these independent voters, which means they need to run on something BESIDES Trump Derangment Syndrome.
Let's sharpen our thoughts on who we might want to run, and why. There are 23 (more?) candidates running, so here's a thread on that topic, not too heavily traveled but with some interesting discussion, that should help us focus on what matters.
Dems, Dem-lites, and Independents: Who ya backing at this point and why?
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63028
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Only 2,144 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.
How exciting. 002733
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Quote:I'll pick a policy issue: the exploding national debt. Voters don't understand a damn about it and they don't want to. When the debt was rising under Obama, the Republicans blamed Obama, not Bush's crash of 2008 for reducing tax receipts. When debt continues to rise under Trump, there is complete denial by the GOP that it has anything to do with the tax code being bent in favor of the wealthy. But what voters will understand is that Trump cheated on his taxes. First, the Democrats have to get their hands on his business records and tax returns, then calculate how much Trump underpaid.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There are a lot of policy reasons to not like Trump. There are a lot of policy reasons to not vote Republican.
Democrats should be focusing on THOSE, not on RUSSIA!RUSSIA! or Trump's taxes or "obstruction of justice" which are all just empty (and in fact counterproductive) virtue-signalling.
If the Dems keep at it and nothing else changes, Trump has a great chance of winning the next election.
When will the Dems come up with something other than Trump Derangement Syndrome?
For the Democrats to pay for their policy changes, wealthy people such as Trump and myself will have to pay for it. The tax collection system won't get revised under a Democratic President unless Democrats can firmly pound into the heads of voters that all wealthy people, and especially tax cheating Trump, are swindling the nation. Voters won't understand the arguments by economists, but there is a slim chance they will understand that Trump is a tax crook, if the Democrats can investigate his tax returns.
Signym, do you think a majority of voters will understand The World Bank's new report out on Inequality 2018, if Democrats talked about it? Not a chance. But it is possible to make them understand the GOP supports tax cheating Trump.
https://angrybearblog.com/2019/06/income-inequality-im-tooting-my-own-
horn.html
Go ahead and read all about Inequality. I did, but I'm a 1 Percenter. 99% of voters aren't and they aren't interesting in understanding how they are being screwed or who to vote for (D or R?) to fix it. Voting for a Democrat as President but leaving at least 41 GOP Senators means it won't be fixed. A huge number of GOP Senators will have to lose if there is a chance for the system to change for the better. No amount of talking by Democrats about inequality and tax policy will every make the voters understand, but catching a thief like Trump just might -- it is a very slim chance.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
When Vice President Mike Pence was in Congress he opposed passage of Medicare's Part D, the drug benefit, and complained that Bush's proposal to partially privatize Social Security was not enough; Pence proposed deeper cuts to the Social Security program than President Bush. . . .
So we do know something about Mike Pence after all.
A vote for impeachment is a vote for President Mike Pence.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:I will diagnose what is wrong with you and the typical Republican. You don't understand the difference between bad and worst because you're always looking for good and best. Pence is bad; Trump is worse; go with Pence and avoid the blunders of a senile, disorganized, old fool. Good and best are not available choices, but you can move toward better. Best would be to ditch the entire Republican party and all their Senators protecting Trump from impeachment and the consequences from his crappy behavior and general incompetence.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
When Vice President Mike Pence was in Congress he opposed passage of Medicare's Part D, the drug benefit, and complained that Bush's proposal to partially privatize Social Security was not enough; Pence proposed deeper cuts to the Social Security program than President Bush. . . .
So we do know something about Mike Pence after all.
A vote for impeachment is a vote for President Mike Pence.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Only 2,144 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.
How exciting. 002733
More than enough time for Trump to do everything that needs to be done. Only question is will there be enough insane asylums to accommodate the millions of Trump-deranged libtards that don't kill themselves?
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Originally posted by second:Quote:I will diagnose what is wrong with you and the typical Republican. You don't understand the difference between bad and worst because you're always looking for good and best. Pence is bad; Trump is worse; go with Pence and avoid the blunders of a senile, disorganized, old fool. Good and best are not available choices, but you can move toward better. Best would be to ditch the entire Republican party and all their Senators protecting Trump from impeachment and the consequences from his bad behavior and general incompetence.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
When Vice President Mike Pence was in Congress he opposed passage of Medicare's Part D, the drug benefit, and complained that Bush's proposal to partially privatize Social Security was not enough; Pence proposed deeper cuts to the Social Security program than President Bush. . . .
So we do know something about Mike Pence after all.
A vote for impeachment is a vote for President Mike Pence.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Good, Best, Bad, Worst...
It's all subjective.
Sorry buddy. Not everybody thinks the way that you do.
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Quote:Too bad for them because they'd be a whole lot more successful. https://markmanson.net/trust
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Good, Best, Bad, Worst...
It's all subjective.
Sorry buddy. Not everybody thinks the way that you do.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Too bad for them because they'd be a whole lot more successful. https://markmanson.net/trust
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Good, Best, Bad, Worst...
It's all subjective.
Sorry buddy. Not everybody thinks the way that you do.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Dude, seriously.
Every single word of the article you just posted could be applied to anyone and their beliefs and biases. Including you.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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SECOND, how about we meet in the "platform" thread?
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Here's a link to a 'platform thread': http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63022&p=2
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Originally posted by SECOND:
I'll pick a policy issue: the exploding national debt. Voters don't understand a damn about it and they don't want to.
I think voters understand enough to realize that it doesn't matter which party is in the oval office.
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It entirely matters. Republicans start wars and give welfare to the rich and throw us into massive debt, Dems come along and clean up their messes.
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New poll shows Trump is the only U.S. president to never reach 50% approval
https://www.msnbc.com/11th-hour/watch/new-poll-shows-trump-is-the-only
-u-s-president-to-never-reach-50-approval-62386245630?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma
A Monmouth poll puts Trump's approval rating at 41 percent, making him the only U.S. leader to never hit 50% approval. The same survey shows 59% say he should not be re-elected.
He's the best. At sucking ass.
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Quote:More than enough time for Trump to do everything that needs to be done. Only question is will there be enough insane asylums to accommodate the millions of Trump-deranged libtards that don't kill themselves?
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Only 2,144 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.
How exciting. 002733
Don't a bunch of Libtards support euthanasia, eugenics?
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Quote:Do you not remember the Crash in 2008? The one caused by a Republican controlled Federal government letting business do whatever it pleased, no matter how risky? The Crash that reduced tax receipts for years, but also increased Federal expenditures during the Democrat's White House years? Sure, you don't remember because you were in Russia. Take a look at what caused the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression: www.history.com/news/2008-financial-crisis-causes
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Here's a link to a 'platform thread': http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63022&p=2Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
I'll pick a policy issue: the exploding national debt. Voters don't understand a damn about it and they don't want to.
I think voters understand enough to realize that it doesn't matter which party is in the oval office.
There is a movie on the 2008 Crash: The Big Short www.metacritic.com/movie/the-big-short
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Cartoon Donald Trump launches his reelection bid by soliciting foreign intelligence and thanks Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi for allowing him to get away with it all.
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Cartoon Hillary Clinton in a blender.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Cartoon Trump greets crowd: "Hello, racist bumper sticker salespeople, guys who've punched a claw machine, people who frequently graffiti their ex's garage door, teens who will have their Ivy League admission rescinded, and other shrieking jackals!"
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Cartoon Hillary Clinton in a blender.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Thanks for the Russia reference. I know you've at your mental 'tilt' when you do that.
Originally posted by second:
Do you not remember the Crash in 2008? The one caused by a Republican controlled Federal government letting business do whatever it pleased, no matter how risky? The Crash that reduced tax receipts for years, but also increased Federal expenditures during the Democrat's White House years? Sure, you don't remember because you were in Russia. Take a look at what caused the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression: www.history.com/news/2008-financial-crisis-causes
There is a movie on the 2008 Crash: The Big Short www.metacritic.com/movie/the-big-short
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Quote:Do you remember when Obama investigated and prosecuted banks for fraud in 2008? Or any year during his presidency after that? How about when he instituted new, effective controls to keep people's money safe from commercial risk, the way it was under Glass-Steagall - the law that Clinton eliminated? Do you remember when Obama opposed bank bail-in laws in 2014?
Originally posted by SECOND:
Do you not remember the Crash in 2008?
Shall I continue?
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Do you not remember the Crash in 2008? The one caused by a Republican controlled Federal government letting business do whatever it pleased, no matter how risky? The Crash that reduced tax receipts for years, but also increased Federal expenditures during the Democrat's White House years? Sure, you don't remember because you were in Russia. Take a look at what caused the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression: www.history.com/news/2008-financial-crisis-causes
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Here's a link to a 'platform thread': http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63022&p=2Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
I'll pick a policy issue: the exploding national debt. Voters don't understand a damn about it and they don't want to.
I think voters understand enough to realize that it doesn't matter which party is in the oval office.
There is a movie on the 2008 Crash: The Big Short www.metacritic.com/movie/the-big-short
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:The Rock-The-Vote Democrap Crash/Recession? Yep.
Originally posted by second:Quote:Do you not remember the Crash in 2008?
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Here's a link to a 'platform thread': http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63022&p=2Quote:I think voters understand enough to realize that it doesn't matter which party is in the oval office.
Originally posted by SECOND:
I'll pick a policy issue: the exploding national debt. Voters don't understand a damn about it and they don't want to.
Quote:Creative writing class, now? When the Rock-The-Vote Democraps are in Control of the House, the only body with authority to initiate or pass Spending Legislation, then let us rename this Democrap-Controlled House of the Federal Government the "Republican controlled Federal Government" - just for kicks, or delusion.
The one caused by a Republican controlled Federal government
Quote:Wrong again. The Rock-The-Vote Demopcraps did the exact opposite, bringing a halt to businesses prospering and driving the economy, instead stifling the economy just like they had campaigned to do. They took office in Jan 2007, and started working on their very first Federal Budget - their very first one!! This was the FY 2008 Budget. And when their FY 2008 Budget went into effect in October 2007, that very month the economy stopped it's upward trajectory - the very same month!!! It must be coincidence, it cannot be anything else!! After they stuck their fingers into the recipe for economic growth, and the recipe was soured, then they blamed everybody else for the disaster they had created!!
letting business do whatever it pleased, no matter how risky?
Quote:And here we have a movie to base all of our education upon!! This film seems to be about the real estate/mortgage scam fraud, perpetrated by Obama and his ACORN goons!! More Libtards sticking their fingers into the recipe until it was completely soured, and then blaming everybody else for the disaster they had created!!
The Crash that reduced tax receipts for years, but also increased Federal expenditures during the Democrat's White House years? Sure, you don't remember because you were in Russia. Take a look at what caused the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression: www.history.com/news/2008-financial-crisis-causes
There is a movie on the 2008 Crash: The Big Short www.metacritic.com/movie/the-big-short
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By destroying long-established banking rules of credit and collateral Democrats Frank and Dodd created the opportunity for the massive scam. And with insurers like AIG and Fannie Mae recklessly backing all the bad loans, greed and corruption ran amok.
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The destruction of the US economy has been a bi-partisan effort for decades.
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Trump denies woman's sexual assault accusation: 'She's not my type'
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-women/trump-denies-womans-sexual-
assault-accusation-shes-not-my-type-idUSKCN1TQ24S
Following Trump's leadership, Trump voters are issuing death threats to the woman.
Donald Trump Is an Alleged Serial Sexual Assaulter
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/06/donald-trump-is-an-alleged-seri
al-sexual-assaulter/
"I am astonished by what I’m about to write: I keep laughing. The next moment, still wearing correct business attire, shirt, tie, suit jacket, overcoat, he opens the overcoat, unzips his pants, and, forcing his fingers around my private area, thrusts his penis halfway — or completely, I’m not certain — inside me. It turns into a colossal struggle. I am wearing a pair of sturdy black patent-leather four-inch Barneys high heels, which puts my height around six-one, and I try to stomp his foot. I try to push him off with my one free hand — for some reason, I keep holding my purse with the other — and I finally get a knee up high enough to push him out and off and I turn, open the door, and run out of the dressing room.
The whole episode lasts no more than three minutes. I do not believe he ejaculates."
This episode hasn’t gotten an awful lot of attention. This is the first I’ve written about it, for example. Why? I don’t think it has anything to do with media outlets not taking rape allegations seriously. The real answer is almost worse: (a) everybody just assumes the story is true and (b) everybody knows that it will have no effect on either Trump’s fans or his Republican Party colleagues. Trump will issue a pro forma denial; nobody will take it seriously; and that will be that. Just like the other 15 times.
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She said ... he said ... and SECOND farted.
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Trump denies woman's sexual assault accusation: 'She's not my type'
Good for him.
That's the only reply that it deserves.
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Quote:In response to the latest allegation that he engaged in a sexual assault, Donald Trump’s first line of defense is to claim that the victim is not his kind of woman — he doesn’t deny that he is this kind of man.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
She said ... he said ... and SECOND farted.
In reference to E. Jean Carroll, Trump says: “Number one, she’s not my type,” but he leaves open the possibility that any woman who is his type, might be the type of woman he would consider raping if she rejected his sexual advances.
Likewise, in refuting the allegations, his second line of defense is historical inaccuracy: “Number two, it never happened,” rather than asserting he would never act in such a way.
One could argue that it would be pointless for Trump to flatly assert that he is not a rapist, since it is a universally known and irrefutable fact that Trump is a liar.
But since we all know he’s a liar, whenever he says, “it never happened,” there’s all the more reason to suspect it did happen.
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You're gassy, SECOND.
Either stop using this website as your toilet and just plain leave, or start discussing something meaningful.
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac
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Quote:"I 100% believe Trump is a serial rapist — but in fairness it's only because I've looked at the evidence, am intimately familiar with rape and sexual assault cases from my prior work as a criminal defense attorney, and have watched Trump tick every consciousness-of-guilt box for years."
Originally posted by 1kiki:
You're gassy, SECOND.
Either stop using this website as your toilet and just plain leave, or start discussing something meaningful.
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1142546301755842561
Quote:I detect a difference in how the GOP handles Trump being a serial rapist.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
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Quote:Since there IS no 'evidence', which is a completely alien concept to your ilk, by that the idiot you quoted means ...
Originally posted by second:
"I've looked at the evidence"
Quote:Sure.
"(I've) watched Trump tick every consciousness-of-guilt box for years."
Whatever.
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
Quote:You mean as compared to the democrats and Clinton?
Originally posted by second:
I detect a difference in how the GOP handles Trump being a serial rapist.
Whatever.
Stop using this place as your personal toilet and smelling it up with your farts.
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac
BTW - I GUARANTEE you won't be able to come up with any evidence - which means, more than someone's say-so - that Trump is a serial rapist.
AND IN ADDITION I GUARANTEE that you'll change the subject since you have no evidence to justify your farts on the topic.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:Since there IS no 'evidence', which is a completely alien concept to your ilk, by that the idiot you quoted means ...
Originally posted by second:
"I've looked at the evidence"Quote:Sure.
"(I've) watched Trump tick every consciousness-of-guilt box for years."
Whatever.Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
Quote:You mean as compared to the democrats and Clinton?
Originally posted by second:
I detect a difference in how the GOP handles Trump being a serial rapist.
Whatever.
Stop using this place as your personal toilet and smelling it up with your farts.
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac
BTW - I GUARANTEE you won't be able to come up with any evidence - which means, more than someone's say-so - that Trump is a serial rapist.
AND IN ADDITION I GUARANTEE that you'll change the subject since you have no evidence to justify your farts on the topic.
1kiki, it's almost like you are being paid by the word to defend Trump as his lawyer. His actual lawyers are making a case that there needs to be "proof" that foreigners are paying Trump. Trump's lawyers' position is that all foreigners doing business with Trump's companies are presumed to be getting Trump's services for free until proven different and Trump's lawyers aren't cooperating with showing how much Trump is being paid. In the case of Trump raping women, the lawyers' argument is that there needs to be proof Trump had an orgasm.
Trump loses bid to halt Democratic lawsuit over foreign payments.
The lawsuit against Trump accuses him of violating the so-called emoluments clause of the Constitution, which bans U.S. officials from accepting gifts or payments from foreign governments without congressional consent.
The judge issued a 48-page decision that rejected Trump’s argument that emoluments were limited essentially to bribes, calling that definition “unpersuasive and inconsistent.”
Sullivan said he agreed with the congressional Democrats who brought the case that the clause should be read more broadly as barring an official from taking any payment of any kind whatsoever from a foreign state without congressional approval.
The ruling allows the Democratic plaintiffs, led by Senator Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut and including members of the House of Representatives and Senate, to begin the so-called discovery phase of the case in which they will seek records from Trump’s real estate company.
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-emoluments/trump-loses-bid-to-hal
t-democratic-lawsuit-over-foreign-payments-idUSKCN1TQ2N2
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More farts from a gassy SECOND.
I noticed you couldn't point to EVIDENCE besides someone's SAY-SO OR an uninvolved third party OPINION. Because you're soft in the head.
But you sure are bloated in the gut.
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac
I noticed you changed the topic from evidence to *proof*. Because besides being bloated in the gut you're lacking in ethics.
You're a great representative of your side.
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Quote:1kiki, now you're off litigating evidence vs. proof. You really are a nutjob. Do you recall that Trump's lawyer is in prison for paying bribes to two women? Trump still denies he had sex with the women and there is no "proof" he did, other than the women saying Trump did have sex, but his lawyer remains in jail despite that. Trump says his lawyer lied about the women, the bribes, everything. Trump also said he is not a serial rapist, either, so he must be "innocent" because there is no "proof"/evidence, other than 16 women saying he raped them.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
More farts from a gassy SECOND.
I noticed you couldn't point to EVIDENCE besides someone's SAY-SO OR an uninvolved third party OPINION. Because you're soft in the head.
But you sure are bloated in the gut.
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac
I noticed you changed the topic from evidence to *proof*. Because besides being bloated in the gut you're lacking in ethics.
You're a great representative of your side.
www.cnbc.com/2019/05/06/trumps-ex-lawyer-michael-cohen-enters-prison.h
tml
Then there is Trump taking money from foreigners. He denied it happened. He says nothing can be "proved" and his lawyers won't turn over business records of the payments.
Then there are Trump's taxes. He denies he cheated, and says nobody can "prove" he did. But he won't turn over his tax records, unlike every President, Vice-President and all candidates. There are many reasons to think he did cheat and no reasons to believe him or his lawyers.
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-sc
hemes-fred-trump.html
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/10/18537282/trump-tax-returns-c
ongress-irs
www.ais-cpa.com/tax-fraud-by-the-numbers-the-trump-timeline/
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You're doing a good job of changing the topic and misrepresenting what other people post, as always, in order to not admit you lost your own argument.
It's just more farts from the endless gasbag.
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac
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Quote:1kiki, the topic is unchanged: Trump is a liar. As President, Trump should make a convincing case that he is not cheating on his taxes, but he won't make the case, feeling only the need to say he isn't cheating. He feels no need to reveal his tax returns or business records to demonstrate his honesty. Even Nixon cooperated on his taxes. Congress discovered he owed taxes equal to 50% of Nixon's net-worth. Nixon willing paid. Trump is not willing.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
You're doing a good job of changing the topic and misrepresenting what other people post, as always, in order to not admit you lost your own argument.
It's just more farts from the endless gasbag.
www.taxhistory.org/thp/readings.nsf/cf7c9c870b600b9585256df80075b9dd/f
8723e3606cd79ec85256ff6006f82c3?OpenDocument
As President, Trump needs to convince us that his businesses are not taking bribes from foreigners, but he can't be bothered to make that case, either. He says he is not being bribed, and he could produce his business records to prove it, but his lawyers fight that in court.
Then there is the money-laundering, but Trump thinks denying he did it is enough, despite that he could prove it, but only if he would try. He won't try.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/deutsche-flagged-trump-kushner-
for-money-laundering-report.html
Then there is the raping. Ask Trump for a DNA sample. You won't get one. Ask him about his lawyer paying women and his lawyer going to jail. Trump will call his lawyer a liar and Trump says he never had sex with those women. The women disagree.
In every case of possible crimes, Trump only gives you his word to defend himself. He won't give anybody the evidence that he is innocent despite his complete control of evidence. He won't share because he knows it shows he is guilty.
1kiki, stop taking Trump's word for his innocence and start demanding he prove it with all the evidence he has kept hidden about himself and his businesses and his taxes. He is not a private citizen. He needs to stop saying "Believe me" and start proving it. Since Trump won't start, I think it is because the evidence Trump controls proves he is guilty.
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Broken record much?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:If this was real life, persistence pays. But this isn't real life where I can fire an employee like Trump for being incompetent or dishonest or embezzling or a rapist.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Broken record much?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by second:Quote:If this was real life, persistence pays. But this isn't real life where I can fire Trump for being incompetent or dishonest or embezzling or a rapist.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Broken record much?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Or "not a democrat", huh?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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You say the topic is "unchanged"
Shall I count the ways you've lied?
" Trump is a liar. "
Wait.
I thought he was a rapist. That was the topic. Because, you know, he never denied he was that kind of man. (Does that mean you can count on his words to be true?)
No. WAIT. It's because someone looked at non-existent 'evidence' and decided out of thin air it must be true. And ... as I predicted ... you never DID come up with evidence AND you changed the subject!
You claimed Trump is guilty of getting some kind of payments because - who needs *proof* there were any actual payments! DOOD. What about the whole 'rape' thing. And the 'rape-evidence' thing.
In the very next post you changed to topic to 'Who needs *proof* of ANYthing'??!!!
And then you changed the topic once again to claim it was about Trump being a liar.
I'm going to stop wasting my time on you, but I did want to point out TO YOU what a lying pos you are.
Just because ... it feels good to tell the truth.
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac
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Quote:There is correlation between being stupid and being poor. There is also a correlation between being a self-righteous Republican and being a bad employee deserving firing. It is unsurprising that Trump's bad behavior: his incompetence, his dishonesty, his laziness, his sexual harassment, etc. has been copied by Trump voters. These are the kind of things that will get you fired in the real world, but Trump has not been fired because he has tenure. He can't be fired.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Or "not a democrat", huh?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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lol
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This week there was a murder trial where the accused slashed, superficially, his own throat. The judge told jurors to ignore this outburst and not use it as evidence in the case. Likewise, Trump superficially slashing his own throat by accusing his White House Counsel, Don McGahn, of lying under oath to Mueller. Trump slashed again by claiming executive privilege and barring McGahn from testifying to Congress. Please ignore the weird verbal outbursts in public by Trump and the accused murderer. Don’t use the outbursts as evidence. Except it is evidence of guilt.
www.cnn.com/2019/06/25/us/defendant-murder-slash-throat-court/index.ht
ml
www.salon.com/2019/06/14/trump-suggests-don-mcgahn-lied-to-mueller-und
er-oath-and-bars-his-testimony/
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lol
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Quote:This week the Trump administration official in charge of diplomatic protocol will resign. Sean Lawler, State Department Chief of Protocol, believed his job in "Protocol" was to be an asshole to civil-service employees, which is against the written rules. Breaking the rules finally caught up with him. For some reason, such rules are not yet enforced when it is Trump.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
lol
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Lawler, a fixture in the Oval office during dignitaries’ visits, was the president’s liaison to the diplomatic corps at the State Department. Lawler, who is in a position confirmed by the Senate and has the rank of ambassador, was scheduled to accompany the president to the G-20 on Friday and Saturday.
If Trump resigned now, same as Lawler and for the same reason, V.P. Mike Pence will more capably handle the G-20 than Trump will. It's a job, folks, and Trump can't learn how to do it because he's too proud to learn.
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-25/trump-s-protocol-chief-is-q
uitting-just-before-the-g-20-summit
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Quote:Sure would, if only you and Trump were truthful. Trump hits back at Mueller hearing. "It's so illegal, it's probably the biggest political scandal in history and they got caught doing it." Truly, Trump is crazy with guilt and his GOP Congressmen will attack Mueller for investigating Trump.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
SLOPPY SECONDS
I'm going to stop wasting my time on you, but I did want to point out TO YOU what a lying pos you are.
Just because ... it feels good to tell the truth.
www.foxnews.com/politics/mueller-subpoena-could-backfire-on-democrats-
say-political-legal-experts
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Quote:FIFY
Originally posted by second:
fart
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac
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Quote:Is this the guy that Trump yelled at for coughing during an interview, trying to stop POTUS from saying something dumb?
Originally posted by second:Quote:This week the Trump administration official in charge of diplomatic protocol will resign. Sean Lawler, State Department Chief of Protocol, believed his job in "Protocol" was to be an asshole to civil-service employees, which is against the written rules. Breaking the rules finally caught up with him. For some reason, such rules are not yet enforced when it is Trump.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
lol
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Lawler, a fixture in the Oval office during dignitaries’ visits, was the president’s liaison to the diplomatic corps at the State Department. Lawler, who is in a position confirmed by the Senate and has the rank of ambassador, was scheduled to accompany the president to the G-20 on Friday and Saturday.
If Trump resigned now, same as Lawler and for the same reason, V.P. Mike Pence will more capably handle the G-20 than Trump will. It's a job, folks, and Trump can't learn how to do it because he's too proud to learn.
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-25/trump-s-protocol-chief-is-q
uitting-just-before-the-g-20-summit
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Quote:Welcome to the Club.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
SLOPPY SECONDS
You say the topic is "unchanged"
Shall I count the ways you've lied?
" Trump is a liar. "
Wait.
I thought he was a rapist. That was the topic. Because, you know, he never denied he was that kind of man. (Does that mean you can count on his words to be true?)
No. WAIT. It's because someone looked at non-existent 'evidence' and decided out of thin air it must be true. And ... as I predicted ... you never DID come up with evidence AND you changed the subject!
You claimed Trump is guilty of getting some kind of payments because - who needs *proof* there were any actual payments! DOOD. What about the whole 'rape' thing. And the 'rape-evidence' thing.
In the very next post you changed to topic to 'Who needs *proof* of ANYthing'??!!!
And then you changed the topic once again to claim it was about Trump being a liar.
I'm going to stop wasting my time on you, but I did want to point out TO YOU what a lying pos you are.
Just because ... it feels good to tell the truth.
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac
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Only 2,137 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.
How exciting. 002780
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Trump, Barr and others have employed a double-barreled approach: first, loudly misrepresent Mueller's findings ("No Collusion," "No Obstruction," "Total Exoneration") and second, count on the American public to not bother reading the 400-plus page report. For the months since the public release of the Mueller report, it's been so far, so good. But now -- with Mueller set to testify under subpoena in Congress on July 17 -- time is almost up on Trump and Barr's prolonged public campaign of distortion and denial.
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Donald Trump has personally accused former Special Counsel Robert Mueller of committing a crime, claiming he deleted sensitive information during his Russia investigation. The president did not produce any evidence whatsoever to back up the assertion.
Anchor Maria Bartiromo barely managed to ask a question of the president, mostly responding “wow” to Trump’s various attacks. Trump’s targets included but weren’t limited to: Mueller, Joe Biden, China, Europe, Google, Twitter, and Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell. He also issued a threat to Japan, where he’s due to visit this week.
As usual, Trump was at his angriest when discussing Mueller.
More at www.thedailybeast.com/trump-accuses-mueller-personally-of-illegally-de
leting-evidence
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Only 2,118 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.
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Trump impeachment vote fails overwhelmingly
Politico
By KYLE CHENEY 12/06/2017 02:15 PM EST
House Democrats overwhelmingly joined Republicans on Wednesday to defeat an attempt to impeach President Donald Trump. But 58 Democrats supported the bid to consider impeachment over the objections of House Democratic leaders, who viewed the measure as a distraction in a Republican-controlled Congress.
The motion to sideline the measure — killing the effort — was approved 364-58, with four Democrats voting present.
The vote was forced by Rep. Al Green (D-Texas), who introduced articles of impeachment. “Now is not the time to consider articles of impeachment,” Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi and Minority Whip Steny Hoyer said in a joint statement, shortly after Green introduced his articles of impeachment.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/06/trump-impeachment-vote-fail-
282888
This is GREAT NEWS! It means all the Trump-deranged psychos will CONTINUE unabated to horrify Americans with their daily obsessive hatred, and false and vile attacks against the President.
By even allowing this absurd vote to take place, Pelosi has once again doomed her clown party to election disaster.
Thanks Polly!! 
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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/prosecutors-end-investigation-trump-or
ganizations-involvement-hush-money/story?id=64392384
Federal judge orders documents released in Trump hush money probe as investigation winds down
Federal prosecutors have ended their investigation into the Trump Organization's involvement in hush-money payments to two women who alleged they had affairs with President Donald Trump, according to court documents filed in a New York court on Wednesday.
The conclusion of the investigation prompted the judge in the case to order prosecutors to release unredacted documents related to the raid of former Trump attorney Michael Cohen's home in April 2018, including copies of the warrant, warrant applications and supporting affidavits.
Typically, prosecutors do not announce the conclusion of an investigation that doesn't result in formal charges being filed. News of the probe's conclusion came in the judge's order to release unredacted versions of the documents. ...
"The campaign finance violations discussed in the Materials are a matter of national importance," a federal judge wrote in his order, denying the government's request for limited redactions. "Now that the Government's investigation into those violations has concluded, it is time that every American has an opportunity to scrutinize the Materials."
Judge William Pauley III must be a good friend of Putin and a Russian Troll™. /snark
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac
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Quote:Stores are going to be running out of that Butt Balm.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/prosecutors-end-investigation-trump-or
ganizations-involvement-hush-money/story?id=64392384Quote:
Federal judge orders documents released in Trump hush money probe as investigation winds down
Federal prosecutors have ended their investigation into the Trump Organization's involvement in hush-money payments to two women who alleged they had affairs with President Donald Trump, according to court documents filed in a New York court on Wednesday.
The conclusion of the investigation prompted the judge in the case to order prosecutors to release unredacted documents related to the raid of former Trump attorney Michael Cohen's home in April 2018, including copies of the warrant, warrant applications and supporting affidavits.
Typically, prosecutors do not announce the conclusion of an investigation that doesn't result in formal charges being filed. News of the probe's conclusion came in the judge's order to release unredacted versions of the documents. ...
"The campaign finance violations discussed in the Materials are a matter of national importance," a federal judge wrote in his order, denying the government's request for limited redactions. "Now that the Government's investigation into those violations has concluded, it is time that every American has an opportunity to scrutinize the Materials."
Judge William Pauley III must be a good friend of Putin and a Russian Troll™. /snark
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac
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OOPS
Maybe next week.
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Just as a reminder of where all this impeachment stuff is going ...
House Impeachment Effort Goes Down In Flames
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63163
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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Quote:A reminder of why all this impeachment stuff is going:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Just as a reminder of where all this impeachment stuff is going ...
"I believe that what this president has done to our culture, to our civic discourse ... you cannot unring these bells and you cannot unsay what he has said, and you cannot change that he has now in a very short time made it seem normal for schoolboy taunts and obvious lies to be spun out in a constant stream. I think this will do more lasting damage than Richard Nixon's surreptitious burglaries did."
Will discusses his new book, “The Conservative Sensibility,” and says that the sensibility as he defines it is currently “in the ranks of the homeless.”
“It’s a persuasion without a party, which is fine,” he says. “It may have to hope that the Republican Party, when it ceases being a cult surrounding the particular personality of the 45th president, that it will snap back. I’m not sure it will. But for the moment, it is homeless.”
More at "George F. Will on Conservatism’s Homelessness"
www.nytimes.com/2019/07/12/books/review/george-f-will-conservative-sen
sibility-david-maraniss-good-american-family-red-scare.html
"What Donald Trump's revolutionary effect has been [is] to make things acceptable that were unthinkable until recently," Will said on the Times podcast, asking host Pamela Paul if she could even conceive of past presidents like John Kennedy or Dwight Eisenhower uttering any of the many things Trump has said in office.
The words of Will that run truest to me were these: "You cannot unring these bells." I think he is 100% right on that. The idea that once Trump leaves the White House -- whether involuntarily in January 2021 or voluntarily-ish in January 2025 -- the impacts and reverberations of what he has done to the presidency (and to the way in which the presidency is covered) will disappear is a fallacy.
Politics is a copycat game. Always has been. What Trump has taught politicians is that telling the truth isn't all that important -- especially if you have your own bullhorn (in Trump's case Twitter + Fox News) to make your own "alternative facts." And that presidential norms and the idea of "being presidential" is a meaningless construct. And a lot more "lessons" that will be destructive to the way in which people run for president and act once they get elected.
The Point: What Will knows is that Trump has already changed the presidency -- and our culture -- in profound ways that will not simply "snap back" once he leaves office. His imprint on the office is deep and wide.
www.cnn.com/2019/07/15/politics/donald-trump-george-will-presidency/in
dex.html
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lol
Sour grapes much?
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Quote:
Originally posted by sloppy:
What Will knows is that Trump has already changed the presidency
What irrelevant hack and Never-Trumper George Will and you can't seem to grasp is that's why he was elected President. And on that point he's doing an incredible job.
Quote:
and our culture -- in profound ways that will not simply "snap back" once he leaves office. His imprint on the office is deep and wide.
"Snap back" to what? Do-nothing idiots like Obama and Bush? Will railed against them too. Will should stick to his D.C. cocktail parties where there's likely a room full of libtards who care about his discredited spew.
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What did I say?
Quote:Because Mueller never thought that a Russian would challenge him in court, and so he felt free to write a report of Russian interference for which he had no evidence
Circus Mueller Is Delayed
Authored by Raul Ilargi Meijer via The Automatic Earth blog,
The circus will be coming to town a week later, but not to worry, the show will go on longer and there will be many added attractions, including a full troop of 800-pound gorillas and an entire herd of 8000-pound elephants in the room. And once the balancing acts, the clowns and the ferocious beasts pack up and move on, America might find itself without a Democratic Party, or at least one it would recognize.
The circus is the testimony of Robert Mueller before the House Judiciary (extended to 3 hours) and Intelligence Committees (2 hours). The Democrats will aim to use Mueller’s words to finally achieve their long desired impeachment of Donald Trump. But is there anyone who’s not a US Democrat who thinks that is realistic? House Speaker Nancy Pelosi doesn’t seem to think so.
In order for the Dems to get their wish, Mueller would have to say a lot of things that are not in his report. It all appears to hang on the interpretation of his assessment that a sitting president cannot be prosecuted, which the Dems take to mean that there actually was a crime that could -or should- be prosecuted.
It’s not clear why the hearing was delayed from July 17 to 24, but don’t be surprised if it has to do with US District Judge Dabney Friedrich’s decision that Mueller must stop talking in public about a case that is in front of her, because his words might prejudice a jury. That is the case that Mueller brought in February 2018 against Internet Research Agency, Concord Management, their owner Yevgeniy Prigozhin (aka Putin’s cook), and 12 of his employees.
Quote:
Mueller thought he could get away with presenting a case against them because they would not show up, but Prigozhin did hire a major law firm. Ironically, Friedrich has reportedly also decided that the lawyers cannot talk about the case to their own client(s). She hasn’t thrown out the case or anything, she’s simply told everyone including Mueller to stop discussing it in public.
So it’s quite possible that once the House Democrats figured this out (the decision stems from May 28 but was unsealed only on July 1), they had to change strategy. Mueller has been barred from saying a single word about it, including in the House.
In his report, Mueller tried to establish a link between the Russian firms and the Kremlin, but never proved any such link. They are accused of meddling in the 2016 election through emails and social media posts, an accusation that looks shakier by the day.
With that part of his report out of the way, what is left for him to talk about? He himself already gave up on the whole collusion narrative, which would appear to leave only obstruction. Well, there’s the Steele dossier, but with John Solomon blowing another gaping hole in it https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/453384-fbis-spreadsheet-puts-a
-stake-through-the-heart-of-steeles-dossier yesterday, that may not be the wisest topic to discuss on the House floor. By now, only the very faithful still believe in the dossier.
The Republicans surely don’t, and they also happen to be House members, and [THEY] get to ask questions of Mueller on the 24th. The spectacle last night where Nancy Pelosi insisted on calling Trump a racist was nutty (you don’t do that in the House), but the Mueller hearings promise to be much much more nuts still.
In the background a second investigation is playing out: DOJ IG Michael Horowitz has been probing if DOJ or FBI officials abused their powers to spy on the Trump campaign. His report has been delayed, if reports are correct, because Christopher Steele at the very last minute agreed to testify. Those talks apparently were long and detailed. Wonder what he had to say.
And there’s a third probe too: AG Barr has tasked John Durham, the US
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What did I say?
That was old f*cking news when you first posted about it, and now you're trying to take credit for it.
They were negotiating to have him for more time, hence the delay.
You'd have a legit beef with Mueller if he were to dodge subpoenas and refuse to testify like all of the current administration's ex-employees, swamp creatures are doing. What are they afraid of? Nothing says you got something to hide like hiding does.
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Absolutely nothing is going to come of anything Muller has to say or any of this Russiagate bullshit. It's over. Move on.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Just as a reminder of where all this impeachment stuff is going ...
House Impeachment Effort Goes Down In Flames
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63163
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What did I say?
That was old f*cking news when you first posted about it, and now you're trying to take credit for it.
They were negotiating to have him for more time, hence the delay.
You'd have a legit beef with Mueller if he were to dodge subpoenas and refuse to testify like all of the current administration's ex-employees, swamp creatures are doing. What are they afraid of? Nothing says you got something to hide like hiding does.
Hey buddy
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Microsoft will give away software to guard U.S. voting machines
Microsoft said it was rolling out a free, open source software product called ElectionGuard, which it said uses encryption to "enable a new era of secure, verifiable voting." The company is working with election machine vendors and local governments to deploy the system in a pilot program for the 2020 election.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/microsoft-will-give-away-sof
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Quote:OMG! TOO FUNNY! That's like the fox guarding the hen house.
Microsoft will give away software to guard U.S. voting machines
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:OMG! TOO FUNNY! That's like the fox guarding the hen house.
Microsoft will give away software to guard U.S. voting machines
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
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Better that then a Putin rat...
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Wow! You mean that M$ will have full access to everything, and they'll do it FOR FREE!!!!!??????
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I know jack and kiki are to stupid to realize that Microsoft knows, if democracies fail around the globe, then they too will have to answer to the likes of another Putin.
What's that mean? Say goodbye to self determination. So no, it's not free or a loss of privacy for Americans. Microsoft is doing this in the name of self preservation. They are investing in their future, and Americans benefit.
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Quote:Not sure if this is related, or the same story.
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:OMG! TOO FUNNY! That's like the fox guarding the hen house.
Microsoft will give away software to guard U.S. voting machines
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
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Heard that Putin's Russian Trolls working the interwebs (aka "google") have been working with Dems yet again to rig the 2020 Elections, and "misreport" Vote results.
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I know jack and kiki are to stupid to realize that Microsoft knows, if democracies fail around the globe, then they too will have to answer to the likes of another Putin.
What's that mean? Say goodbye to self determination. So no, it's not free or a loss of privacy for Americans. Microsoft is doing this in the name of self preservation. They are investing in their future, and Americans benefit.
Add JSF as well...
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I find it striking how in only 8 years of Obama and 2 1/2 years of Trump, the Democrats have become the party that defends billion dollar multi-national corporations and have become the party in favor of censorship.
Just stop guys... you're killin' me.
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Mueller's FBI 'Attack Dog' Weissmann Begged Ukrainian Oligarch For Dirt On Trump ....
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How Mueller deputy Andrew Weissmann's offer to an oligarch could boomerang on DOJ
By John Solomon, opinion contributor
The ink was still drying on special counsel Robert Mueller’s appointment papers when his chief deputy, the famously aggressive and occasionally controversial prosecutor Andrew Weissmann, made a bold but secret overture in early June 2017.
Weissmann quietly reached out to the American lawyers for Ukrainian oligarch Dmitry Firtash with a tempting offer: Give us some dirt on Donald Trump in the Russia case, and Team Mueller might make his 2014 U.S. criminal charges go away.
The specifics of the never-before-reported offer were confirmed to me by multiple sources with direct knowledge, as well as in contemporaneous defense memos I read.
Two years later, Weissmann’s overture may have far-reaching consequences for the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ), here and abroad. His former boss, Mueller, is slated to testify Wednesday before Congress.
The DOJ, Mueller’s office and Weissmann did not immediately respond to emails requesting comment on Monday.
At first blush, one might ask, “What’s the big deal?” It’s not unusual for federal prosecutors to steal a page from Monty Hall’s “Let’s Make a Deal” script during plea negotiations.
But Weissmann’s overture was wrapped with complexity and intrigue far beyond the normal federal case, my sources indicate.
At the time, pressure was building inside the DOJ and the FBI to find smoking-gun evidence against Trump in the Russia case because the Steele dossier — upon which the early surveillance warrants were based — was turning out to be an uncorroborated mess. (“There’s no big there there,” lead FBI agent Pete Strzok texted a few days before Weissmann’s overture.)
Likewise, key evidence that the DOJ used to indict Firtash on corruption charges in 2014 was falling apart. Two central witnesses were in the process of recanting testimony, and a document the FBI portrayed as bribery evidence inside Firtash’s company was exposed as a hypothetical slide from an American consultant’s PowerPoint presentation, according to court records I reviewed.
In other words, the DOJ faced potential embarrassment in two high-profile cases when Weissmann made an unsolicited approach on June 4, 2017, that surprised even Firtash’s U.S. legal team.
To some, the offer smacked of being desperately premature. Mueller was appointed just two weeks earlier, did not even have a full staff selected, and was still getting up to speed on the details of the investigation. So why rush to make a deal when the prosecution team still was being selected, some wondered.
Second, Weissmann’s approach was audaciously aggressive, even for a prosecutor with his reputation.
According to a defense memo recounting Weissmann’s contacts, the prosecutor claimed the Mueller team could “resolve the Firtash case” in Chicago [where commodities trading takes place- SIGNY] and neither the DOJ nor the Chicago U.S. Attorney’s Office “could interfere with or prevent a solution,” including withdrawing all charges. “The complete dropping of the proceedings … was doubtless on the table,” according to the defense memo.
Firtash’s team suspected Weissmann’s claim was exaggerated. While Mueller had full authority to investigate the Russia case, he wasn’t an independent counsel separate of the DOJ but, rather, a special counsel subject to the attorney general’s oversight.
The third red flag came in how much Weissmann communicated to Firstash’s lawyers about his hopes for the Ukrainian oligarch’s testimony.
Prosecutors in plea deals typically ask a defendant for a written proffer of what they can provide in testimony and identify the general topics that might interest them. But Weissmann appeared to go much further in a July 7, 2017, meeting with Firtash’s American lawyers and FBI agents, sharing certain private theories of the nascent special counsel’s investigation into Trump, his f
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Mueller's FBI 'Attack Dog' Weissmann Begged Ukrainian Oligarch For Dirt On Trump ....Quote:
How Mueller deputy Andrew Weissmann's offer to an oligarch could boomerang on DOJ
By John Solomon, opinion contributor
The ink was still drying on special counsel Robert Mueller’s appointment papers when his chief deputy, the famously aggressive and occasionally controversial prosecutor Andrew Weissmann, made a bold but secret overture in early June 2017.
Weissmann quietly reached out to the American lawyers for Ukrainian oligarch Dmitry Firtash with a tempting offer: Give us some dirt on Donald Trump in the Russia case, and Team Mueller might make his 2014 U.S. criminal charges go away.
The specifics of the never-before-reported offer were confirmed to me by multiple sources with direct knowledge, as well as in contemporaneous defense memos I read.
Two years later, Weissmann’s overture may have far-reaching consequences for the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ), here and abroad. His former boss, Mueller, is slated to testify Wednesday before Congress.
The DOJ, Mueller’s office and Weissmann did not immediately respond to emails requesting comment on Monday.
At first blush, one might ask, “What’s the big deal?” It’s not unusual for federal prosecutors to steal a page from Monty Hall’s “Let’s Make a Deal” script during plea negotiations.
But Weissmann’s overture was wrapped with complexity and intrigue far beyond the normal federal case, my sources indicate.
At the time, pressure was building inside the DOJ and the FBI to find smoking-gun evidence against Trump in the Russia case because the Steele dossier — upon which the early surveillance warrants were based — was turning out to be an uncorroborated mess. (“There’s no big there there,” lead FBI agent Pete Strzok texted a few days before Weissmann’s overture.)
Likewise, key evidence that the DOJ used to indict Firtash on corruption charges in 2014 was falling apart. Two central witnesses were in the process of recanting testimony, and a document the FBI portrayed as bribery evidence inside Firtash’s company was exposed as a hypothetical slide from an American consultant’s PowerPoint presentation, according to court records I reviewed.
In other words, the DOJ faced potential embarrassment in two high-profile cases when Weissmann made an unsolicited approach on June 4, 2017, that surprised even Firtash’s U.S. legal team.
To some, the offer smacked of being desperately premature. Mueller was appointed just two weeks earlier, did not even have a full staff selected, and was still getting up to speed on the details of the investigation. So why rush to make a deal when the prosecution team still was being selected, some wondered.
Second, Weissmann’s approach was audaciously aggressive, even for a prosecutor with his reputation.
According to a defense memo recounting Weissmann’s contacts, the prosecutor claimed the Mueller team could “resolve the Firtash case” in Chicago [where commodities trading takes place- SIGNY] and neither the DOJ nor the Chicago U.S. Attorney’s Office “could interfere with or prevent a solution,” including withdrawing all charges. “The complete dropping of the proceedings … was doubtless on the table,” according to the defense memo.
Firtash’s team suspected Weissmann’s claim was exaggerated. While Mueller had full authority to investigate the Russia case, he wasn’t an independent counsel separate of the DOJ but, rather, a special counsel subject to the attorney general’s oversight.
The third red flag came in how much Weissmann communicated to Firstash’s lawyers about his hopes for the Ukrainian oligarch’s testimony.
Prosecutors in plea deals typically ask a defendant for a written proffer of what they can provide in testimony and identify the general topics that might interest them. But Weissmann appeared to go much further in a July 7, 2017, meeting with Firtash’s American lawyers and FBI agents, sharing certain private theories of the nascent special c
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We've Already Begun Impeachment Probe Against Trump
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We've Already Begun Impeachment Probe Against Trump
Good Luck!!!!
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How Mueller exposed an abundance of lying and malfeasance by Donald Trump and those around him.
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Only 2,081 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.
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This thread was started 2 years and 27 weeks ago. A poor example of a countdown. Unless you're CNN, which is why their viewers are all asleep.
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Quote:You do realize that the legal process is ridiculously slow? Right?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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This thread was started 2 years and 27 weeks ago. A poor example of a countdown. Unless you're CNN, which is why their viewers are all asleep.
I will give you an example from today's front page Houston Chronicle:
Trial to start for man charged in 2014 Spring family massacre.
After a man posing as a FedEx delivery driver forced his way into her family’s house and fatally shot her parents and four siblings, 15-year-old Cassidy Stay played dead until the killer fled the scene.
Bleeding from a wound on her head where a bullet had grazed her, Cassidy managed to call 911.
“It was my Uncle Ronnie; he has been stalking my family for three weeks,” she told paramedics when they arrived at the Spring-area house, according to court documents. “He said he would shoot us and kill us.”
Cassidy would be the lone survivor of the July 2014 massacre, which Harris County prosecutors say unfolded in a moment of rage as Ronald Lee Haskell hunted for his ex-wife, Melannie Lyon. Cassidy’s parents had been providing support to Lyon, the sister of Katie Stay, Cassidy’s mother. Haskell didn’t find his intended target, prosecutors said, but opened fire on the entire Stay family.
Cassidy’s phone call is believed to have prevented more violence, as Haskell was captured on the way to Lyon’s parents’ nearby home, police said.
Much has happened since that windy afternoon on July 9, 2014; Cassidy Stay is now 19, engaged and attending Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah.
About 1,400 miles away in a Houston courtroom, Haskell will go on trial in the six killings today, his 39th birthday.
Court filings show defense attorney Douglas Durham intends to present an insanity defense in the case, which has been rescheduled 20 times. The start of the trial will end a long wait for friends, neighbors and relatives of the Stays.
More at www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Trial-set-
to-start-Monday-for-man-charged-with-14377447.php
So that you don't misunderstand the connection between Trump and this murder trial, keep in mind that for as long as the Senate has 34 Republicans in it, an impeachment will never remove Trump. This murder trial has been rescheduled 20 times. Open and Shut cases can be dragged out for many years, whether for political reasons or procedural reasons. When Trump is an ex-President, the cases against him will proceed even slower than this trial for a murder in 2014, a murder that has a witness who was shot by the killer.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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You do realize that the legal process is ridiculously slow? Right?
Yup. Took Mueller two whole years to find nothing.
It's taken the Democrats so long to start to consider to re-investigate Trump with a possibility that they might impeach after that post-investigation-investigation is concluded that it's lead JO to start to go insane because all of the nightmare seeds that Keith Olbermann planted in his head started sprouting.
I'm sure you'll impeach Trump by 2030 though.
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Morning Joe panel break down Trump’s approval rating among key voting groups and what it means for the president’s reelection hopes.
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Ex-White House Aide Rob Porter Is Subpoenaed in House Impeachment Inquiry
The House Judiciary Committee has subpoenaed the former White House aide Rob Porter to testify about President Trump’s efforts to impede the Russia investigation, its chairman announced, the latest step in the panel’s expansive inquiry into whether to impeach Mr. Trump.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-white-house-aide-rob-porter
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Quote:The first day of the long delayed trial:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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How exciting.
The accused man stared straight ahead while attorneys and first responders introduced the case, exposing jurors to the horror of the scene where Haskell has admitted to opening fire July 9, 2014 on seven members of the Stay family, killing all but one.
The defense maintains Haskell was insane when he carried out the massacre. Prosecutors contend, however, that the slayings and events that preceded them were too premeditated for that to be true.
www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Opening-ar
guments-begin-in-death-penalty-trial-14379136.php
There are only two, make that three things, that I am very confident about Trump:
He cheated on his taxes, he is mentally incompetent, and the Senate won't convict him so long as there are 34 GOP Senators. But it would set a good example for other tax cheating billionaires if the amount Trump had cheated on his taxes was known to within plus or minus one billion dollars.
Trump can use the insanity defense. He could truthfully say, "I was insanely greedy. Believe me, I still am."
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Will these halfwits impeach this chucklefuck already?
America used to care, but they got bored of it.
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Quote:For the Democrats, it is futile because there are more than 34 GOP Senators who won't remove Trump. The Democrats cannot even check Trump's tax cheating because Trump controls the IRS and he is going to absolutely crazy legal efforts to keep his taxes a secret. He said he would make his taxes public, after the audit. The audit is long over. Now he is plain old-fashion tax cheating.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Will these halfwits impeach this chucklefuck already?
America used to care, but they got bored of it.
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Democrats’ bid to get Trump’s tax returns before the 2020 election isn’t looking good
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/8/26/20833600/donald-trump-tax-re
turns-richard-neal-new-york
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Democrats’ bid to get Trump’s tax returns before the 2020 election isn’t looking good
Hmmmmmmmm...
Well if they were still going to chase Russian phantoms for 2 years anyhow, they probably should have had somebody working in the background to figure out Trumps taxes in the mean time.
Whoopsie!
And look at Vox supporting my theory already.
How predictable.
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IG report: Comey mishandled Trump memos, but didn't release classified info. The guy was the head of the FBI. I know he got in over his head but he is no Barr. Nothing he did was willfully dishonest.
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Originally posted by SECOND:For the Democrats, it is futile because there are more than 34 GOP Senators who won't remove Trump. The Democrats cannot even check Trump's tax cheating because Trump controls the IRS and he is going to absolutely crazy legal efforts to keep his taxes a secret.
Lameness.
The GoPs dont hold bak on doing anything. Any hint uv skandl during Obama'z administrtation and they turned it into a forest fire.
How many hearingz did they squeez out uv the Hillary email thing? How much smoke did they jenerate with Ben Gazi? How long did they run the Fast & Furious gun runner show?
If a letter from the Prez had insufficient postaj but got delivered anyway, they woud hav started impeachment proseedingz!
The Demz, on the other hand, look for excusez to not take action.
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Originally posted by SECOND:For the Democrats, it is futile because there are more than 34 GOP Senators who won't remove Trump. The Democrats cannot even check Trump's tax cheating because Trump controls the IRS and he is going to absolutely crazy legal efforts to keep his taxes a secret.
Lameness.
The GoPs dont hold bak on doing anything. Any hint uv skandl during Obama'z administrtation and they turned it into a forest fire.
How many hearingz did they squeez out uv the Hillary email thing? How much smoke did they jenerate with Ben Gazi? How long did they run the Fast & Furious gun runner show?
If a letter from the Prez had insufficient postaj but got delivered anyway, they woud hav started impeachment proseedingz!
The Demz, on the other hand, look for excusez to not take action.
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http://www.7532020.com .
The Democrats aren't doing anything because they know it will hilariously backfire on them if they do. Pelosi is a lot of things, but she's not an idiot.
But by all means, please start the impeachment proceedings. Even if not for the same reasons that you want them to start, I've been on board with that for well over a year now.
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