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Originally posted by HotForKaylee:
I'm not going to get into the Angel-Wes thing but something else. As I watched the ep (Forgiving 3-17) again it hit me for the first time, is it just me or does the little girl in the white room have an uncanny resemblance to Eve from season 5?




"Captain, I sure would like to know where you are going with this?"
"Someplace very dark. I hope to God I'm wrong."

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Originally posted by SimonWho:
Yup, Angel wasn't going to just forgive and forget what Wesley did. This was his son, a miracle that he should never have gotten and Wes took it away from him.

Plus he's used to killing people. Makes it that much easier if Wesley was merely number 185,582 rather than number 1.

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Originally posted by SimonWho:
Yup, Angel wasn't going to just forgive and forget what Wesley did. This was his son, a miracle that he should never have gotten and Wes took it away from him.

Plus he's used to killing people. Makes it that much easier if Wesley was merely number 185,582 rather than number 1.

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So why the pillow-over-the-face bit? Snap Wes's neck, throw a few punches, etc. Hey, Wes DOES have that fresh wound on the neck...no ideas form that, Angel?

As for why Wes didn't communicate w/ the rest of the gang... who knows. Beating up on Lorn, even for the sake of saving BabyConner...meh. To me, that shows the level of desperation on Wes's part, and how alone he felt. Not to mention the burden he was carrying, whether real or imagined. HE thought it was real, and that's all that matters. Why he felt that way, I can't say.

I kinda makes me think of SW RotS. Aniken has to choose between killing Palpetine right then and there( taking the law into his own hand ) or doing what is viewed as the JEDI way....turing him over to the proper authorities.

Damned if you do, either way.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Originally posted by Bobster:
Hey folks -- first time poster here, semi-long time lurker (I've been around Whedonesque some)....

Actually had a slightly similar reaction to that scene (but now I'm trying to remember when Frodo actually tried to kill Sam...don't really remember it ever quite getting to that point...)

Re: pillow as weapon of death....I would add that it's possible that, semiconsiously or subconsciously, Angel wasn't so sure he really wanted Wes dead and was just sort of "acting out" out of super-extreme anger...but since he's a killer, his type of "acting out" can be deadly. If he'd snapped his neck or "ate" Wes, that would be the kind of cold blooded murder the fang gang would never countenance.

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Originally posted by STEVEthePIRATE:
My first son is on the way (days away, even). I gotta say, if I'm in Angel's position, I probably do something similar. Surely, no one expects him to hear of Wesley's good intentions, then all of a sudden go, "Oh, I get it. That's OK," then start whistling and walk away like it's no big deal.

Connor was his son - his ONLY son - and he shouldn't have been able to exist in the first place. Quite a father-son bond, if you ask me. There's no way to predict what might happen when a bond like that is broken, and I thought that scene captured that feeling perfectly.

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... if angel really wanted wes dead hed be dead, angel was just making a point. That he hated wes.

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