Angel newbie with a dumb (maybe not) question: by chrisisall

Angel S4 was never my favourite. In no freakin' way was it ever my favourite.

But there were some great moments and some pretty decent story lines you'll want to get into. And it does tie together a few loose strands that you'll wonder about if you don't see it.

Plus... Faith. And who doesn't love Faith?

I agree, don't let other people's opinions taint your viewing. At least the first two thirds of it were really watchable.

And, hey, if you can sit through the middle of S3 Angel without screaming "Eat the gorram baby!" every few seconds, then S4 will be a breeze.

If'n you need a quick guide, these babies should do it -->
http://www.havendehellmouth.com/epicurious.shtml

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Sunday, August 21, 2005 1:31 PM

Great site, thanks. (I noticed a familiar name on the synopsis credits...)

One thing about Buffy is the severe change in tone starting around S5, but intensly around S6, But Angel seems a more consistant show, am I wrong?

Before they hatch Chrisisall

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Sunday, August 21, 2005 2:27 PM

Yup, that site is a labour of love, let me tell you.

Yeah, Buffy did switch tones a lot after season five which really jars sometimes, but you're right in that Angel stays somewhat more level.

Overall, I found Angel to be a more stable and constant show than Buffy was and I much preferred the finale of Angel.

I think you'll like it, keep us posted on your thoughts for the whole series (from S1 onwards), 'cause I really welcome new discussions.

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Sunday, August 21, 2005 3:43 PM

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Originally posted by Jacqui:
Plus... Faith. And who doesn't love Faith?

ME!!!

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Sunday, August 21, 2005 3:47 PM

LISSA

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Plus... Faith. And who doesn't love Faith?

ME!!!

WHAT???

~lissa, retired spwhore

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Sunday, August 21, 2005 3:57 PM

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Originally posted by Jacqui:
Plus... Faith. And who doesn't love Faith?

ME!!!

WHAT???

~lissa, retired spwhore

*louder* ME!!!

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Sunday, August 21, 2005 4:36 PM

I can't HEAR YOU!

Faith is bad Chrisisall

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Sunday, August 21, 2005 4:41 PM

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I can't HEAR YOU!

Faith is bad Chrisisall

Is there a way to increase the font?

I DON'T LIKE FAITH!!!

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Sunday, August 21, 2005 4:46 PM

But... but...

Let me get this straight...

Did you say you liked Faith?

I'm confused.

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Sunday, August 21, 2005 4:50 PM

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Originally posted by Jacqui:
Plus... Faith. And who doesn't love Faith?

...to which I replied that I don't.

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Sunday, August 21, 2005 4:58 PM

What was this thread about again?

Oh yeah, season 4 of Angel. You should definately watch it, even if it wasn't the best. There were some good episodes, and some major plot point you don't wanna miss.

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Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:18 PM

AURAPTOR

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JACQUI Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 17:17

Angel S4 was never my favourite. In no freakin' way was it ever my favourite.

But there were some great moments and some pretty decent story lines you'll want to get into. And it does tie together a few loose strands that you'll wonder about if you don't see it.

Plus... Faith. And who doesn't love Faith?

*Lovin' Faith , right here!!!!!!!

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:37 PM

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...to which I replied that I don't.

Yeah, I kinda got that. I was being sarcastic.

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Sunday, August 21, 2005 6:43 PM

BLUEEYEDBROWNCOAT

Lovin' Faith here too!

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Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:07 PM

GROOSALUGG

I'd say no, don't skip it.

A lot of people--myself included--rank S4 as the worst of the five, but it seems like an equal number of fans consider it the best. There doesn't appear to be much middle ground. It's possible you'll fall into that second group, and if so, you'd be pretty sorry if you'd missed out, wouldn't you?

Plus, episode 6, "Spin the Bottle" (written and directed by Joss) absolutely should not be missed under any circumstances!! And later on in the year (ep. 20, "Sacrifice"), Jeff Ricketts trades in his blue gloves to play one of the coolest, creepiest demons ever.

Overall, the season had so many great moments that made it worth watching... which is why the bungling up of it near the end is just that much harder to take. It was so on it's way to being one of the best years of either Buffy or Angel, and instead...

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Sunday, August 21, 2005 10:34 PM

CALHOUN

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Jacqui wrote:
Sunday, August 21, 2005 13:17

Plus... Faith. And who doesn't love Faith?

Faith .. pfft

Faith is my least favourite character of all Buffy and Angel (that includes demons and vamps). Loud, obnoxious and unattractive is all she is.

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Monday, August 22, 2005 12:27 AM

GROUNDED

Well considering Chrisisall is only on disc 2 of S1 you all went straight for the spoilers didn't you? ;)

I say watch S4 when you get to it, purely for continuity's sake. And I'm one of those who hates it with a fiery passion.

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Monday, August 22, 2005 1:49 AM

EST120

Season 4 is definitely a little strange, but it is not terrible in my opinion. Skipping it will not destroy your ability to understand season 5 but it will make some things confusing (no spoilers!). I would suggest watching it. There is quite a bit of interesting stuff and some of the episodes are pretty good. Besides, how can you have a complete Angel experience without watching all the episodes?

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Monday, August 22, 2005 9:18 AM

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...to which I replied that I don't.

Yeah, I kinda got that. I was being sarcastic.

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Monday, August 22, 2005 9:57 AM

ZEEK

I agree on the spoilers. Guys lay off a bit there.

I say go ahead and watch it. I'm in the crowd of it not being the best season ever. However, I still watch it when it's on tv. Angel is far better than 99% of the tv out there. Even at it's worst. So, give it a shot. You never know.

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Monday, August 22, 2005 10:18 AM

MANOSBDH

Season 4 falls short of my personal preferences, but there's enough good stuff in that season to make it worth watching. Just like Buffy Season 4 was a little limited, but that's the season that brought us Hush. Angel S4 has a lot more than one good episode, and Gina Tores is worth the viewing.

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Monday, August 22, 2005 10:26 AM

Spoil away, I forgive you all, lets group hug!
Oops, sorry, I just watched Sense and Sensitivity!!!

You forget, though, that being from Manticore, I can negate selected areas of my memory so that spoilers disappear in my brain. It's an X-5 thing.

Like when the Fear Demon appeared on Buffy, actual size. I had read that in a spoiler a month prior to seeing it, and was still fallin' off my chair laffin', 'cause I didn't remember reading it.

My room has a view Chrisisall

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Monday, August 22, 2005 11:15 AM

I'm going through S4 myself these days. I'm on ep 19 or 20 right now.

I wouldn't skip any episodes much less an entire season simply because if you're into the Buffyverse then you shouldn't deprive yourself of any of it. Everybody's tastes are different. You may love S4.

IMHO Season 4's problem is that all the developments are interesting as they happen, but they promise a big payoff. And I don't feel we get paid.

But if you don't watch it, you will miss out on Faith's appearances. If you like Faith, you'll want to catch that.

The thing that works best for me in S4 is the development of Wesley. If you like that character, you must watch S4.

Just my two cents.

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Monday, August 22, 2005 11:26 AM

Of the six eps I've seen so far, In The Dark was the best. Do any later eps get that good again?
...I will see for myself, just a little advanced curiousity.

I like seein' Spike git smacked Chrisisall

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Monday, August 22, 2005 12:13 PM

I would say "yes". Especially 8, 18, and 19. And there's some other good stuff along the way.
I like S1 a lot. It's my second favorite of AtS.

Shouldn't you be watching S5 of BUFFY, young man?

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Monday, August 22, 2005 12:23 PM

GROUNDED

It gets better.

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Monday, August 22, 2005 12:34 PM

SEIZETHEFISH

You definatly need to watch S4, if only for "Spin the Bottle" and the nessecary introduction to S5. I dont know how much you know about the overall plot, but if you skip S4 and go straight to S5, you will be confused as hell. You will think you're in bizzaro world.

Plus, Gina Torres as Jasmine has a whole creepy Pod People story arc at the end of the season that I loved.

Oh and Wesley. Wesleywesleywesleywesley

<3 S4 Wesley

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Monday, August 22, 2005 1:42 PM

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Shouldn't you be watching S5 of BUFFY, young man?

Yeah, but they don't have it for rent around here, and I got a few free rentals from Blockbuster due to some class-action lawsuit- and they have AtS S1 for rent- so in pursuit of deepening my familiarity with all things Joss, I jumped on it! So now I'm gonna plow thru it!

Oh, one last thing...

Doyle bugs me Chrisisall

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Monday, August 22, 2005 2:36 PM

Really? I liked him. Maybe you'll warm up to him as the season goes on.

Seizethefish is absolutely right. If you skip 4, 5 will make you want to watch 4 to explain 5. So, face it--you're watchin' 4.

And did someone say Faith is unattractive?

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Monday, August 22, 2005 2:46 PM

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Originally posted by batmarlowe:

And did someone say Faith is unattractive?

Some blind guy up the thread some...

Got Faith? Chrisisall

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Monday, August 22, 2005 3:03 PM

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And did someone say Faith is unattractive?

A woman's physical appearance isn't the only attractive feature she has. While Faith may have an attractive figure, and an argueably attractive face, her personality is a major turn-off for me. Of course, I'm sure to be in the minority.

BTW, I feel the same about Max from DA.

*Prepares himself for Chrisisall's wrath.*

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Monday, August 22, 2005 3:23 PM

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Originally posted by batmarlowe:

And did someone say Faith is unattractive?
Some blind guy up the thread some...

Got Faith? Chrisisall

Again, as with JA... the woman in nine kinds of hot. There's no escaping it. (*sigh* You know, I think heterosexuality is wasted on me. I like very few men on screen).

Yes, season one gets better. A lot better. You have some great episodes coming up later in the season. 'Somnambulist', 'Expecting', 'The Ring', 'Five by Five', 'Sanctuary', 'To Shanshu in LA'.

I remember when I was watching it, I liked it, it was cool... but the moment I knew I loved it was during the finale. You'll see when you get there.

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Monday, August 22, 2005 6:11 PM

CallMeAth:

C'mon dude. We're guys. We compartmentalize. Get with the program. : )

If you had seen Eliza at her TRU CALLING Q&A at the 2004 ComiCon...

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Monday, August 22, 2005 6:26 PM

Jacqui:

So name some of the few.

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Monday, August 22, 2005 9:28 PM

EMMA

Angel is fantastic, end of story

Ok, so Jasmine sucks and some of the Cordelia stuff is pretty awful but apart from that it is great. Interesting character developments and some really neat ideas...plus, Faith

People have said she is unattractive with a bad personality, obviously they are wrong

Faith is enough to make straight women gay - oh, her beauty and wit and sex-appeal *sigh*

extremely dimensionally transcendental

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 3:50 AM

INSTIGATOR

While Season 4 does not rank as my top favorite, I would suggest not skipping it. If you're watching the series to see the whole story, beginning to end, I would suggest not even skipping an episode. Skipping a season would leave you confused in the beginning of Season 5 (Take my advice since I missed the second half of Season 4). You'll also be missing changes in the characters.

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:21 AM

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Originally posted by CallMeAth:
While Faith may have an attractive figure, and an argueably attractive face, her personality is a major turn-off for me.

You just have to see past the psychotic killing machine to the lovely girl beneath...

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BTW, I feel the same about Max from DA.

*Prepares himself for Chrisisall's wrath.*

WTF?????
Forget that she's beautiful, Max is sweet and beguiling; a mystery and a joy!!!!The world of women in one trangenic package.
You must be ill at the moment; I forgive you.

The wrath of Chrisisall

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:30 AM

I Will Remember You WAS AWSOME!!!!
It was especially good in that I already saw all of Buffy S4, so a lot clicks. SMG was at the absolute top if her game, and Dave is beginning to get great, too.
(I have to throw out these wet tissues...)

What? I didn't cry, just got something in my eye is all...

Dry eyed and decidely non-misty Chrisisall*sniff*

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:32 AM

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Faith is enough to make straight women gay - oh, her beauty and wit and sex-appeal *sigh*

Lucky my wife won't watch Buffy or Angel...

FF is another story Chrisisall

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 5:19 AM

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I Will Remember You WAS AWSOME!!!!

And the subject of much debate.

Watch the scene at the very end where they're both crying. Watch it closely, with your finger on the pause button to go back again and again and, most importantly, with the SOUND UP.

Many schools of thought here... but the urban legend remains...

When Angel is begging Buffy not to cry, what David actually says is "Please, Sarah, please". And the editors did not catch it.

I'm sitting on the fence on this one, it's a close call.

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 5:30 AM

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Jacqui:

So name some of the few.

Of the men? That's hard. See what I mean? I am a straight girl (happily engaged) and yet will notice five hundred really hot women on screen before any of the men. Seriously, I think I need to know the guy before he does anything for me, but I'm happy to ogle all the ladies. Heterosexuality... completely wasted.

Anyway... guys...

Anthony Stewart Head.
Adam Baldwin.
Johnny Depp.
Mathew McCanna... (aw, hell, I ain't even gonna try spelling that... you all know who I mean).
J. August Richards.

s'bout it.

You after women? I got a list long as my arm... Sheryl Crow, Jewel Staite, Morena Baccarin, Eliza Dushku, Jessica Alba, Summer Glau, Emma Caulfield, Laura Prepon...

I have a thing for brunettes and red heads.

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:26 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

You must be ill at the moment; I forgive you.

The wrath of Chrisisall

*Checks thermometer.*

104! The higher it is, the healthier I am, right? Right?

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:39 AM

Dude, if Faith and Max don't do it for you, WHO DOES???

This, I gotta hear Chrisisall

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:03 AM

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Dude, if Faith and Max don't do it for you, WHO DOES???

This, I gotta hear Chrisisall

In the Whedonverse:

Willow, Tara, Buffy (for the first few seasons, before she got too skinny.), Anya, Fred, Zoe, Kaylee and Inara

Some other female stars I find attractive, off the top of my head:

Natalie Portman, Selma Hayek, Drew Berrymore, Elisha Cuthbert, Monica Bellucci, Zhang Ziyi, Catherine Zeta-Jones

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:27 AM

CAPTAINCDC

Watch S4. You have to if you are going to watch S5. I am one who loved S4. Everyone talks about the final few eps being a let down, but to me the metaphor works perfectly. And if you like Wesley and Fred (my 2 favorite characters of Angel), then you will want to watch for that, because they are great in S4, especially Wes.

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:28 AM

Jacqui:

Well, if you're happily engaged, I wouldn't say your heterosexuality is completely wasted.

The problem for women is that movies and T.V. shows are run mostly by men, so there just isn't as much eye candy for you. Whereas we can just turn on the tube, and start flipping channels and sooner rather than later, we will find a babe.

I know the ratio of hot women compared to hot men is way out of whack in favor of women. And it's unfair. Sorry.

But there are fewer universal types for women than there are among men. You can find women who don't find Brat Pitt attractive. You'd be hard-pressed to find a guy who doesn't find Eliza Dushku attractive (oh wait, bad example). Make that you'd be hard-pressed to find a guy who doesn't find, say, Kate Beckinsale attractive.

But then again you're engaged, so in the great balance of things, you're ahead of the game.

Thanks for that "Sarah" tip, I'll go check that out.

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:37 AM