Angel by RiveR6213

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Angel

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:08 PM

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:36 PM

Well, that depends alot on what you dont like about the show. But yes, it gets better.
Season five is the best according to me, but most think 1 and 2 are better. So, what dont you like with it?

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:36 PM

Well, that depends alot on what you dont like about the show. But yes, it gets better.
Season five is the best according to me, but most think 1 and 2 are better. So, what dont you like with it?

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:36 PM

Well, that depends alot on what you dont like about the show. But yes, it gets better.
Season five is the best according to me, but most think 1 and 2 are better. So, what dont you like with it?

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:36 PM

Well, that depends alot on what you dont like about the show. But yes, it gets better.
Season five is the best according to me, but most think 1 and 2 are better. So, what dont you like with it?

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:36 PM

Well, that depends alot on what you dont like about the show. But yes, it gets better.
Season five is the best according to me, but most think 1 and 2 are better. So, what dont you like with it?

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:36 PM

Well, that depends alot on what you dont like about the show. But yes, it gets better.
Season five is the best according to me, but most think 1 and 2 are better. So, what dont you like with it?

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:45 PM

yes, you get to the cross-over episodes, which kick ass...
and soon Wesley (have you seen Buffy?) shows up, and he is a riot.

I don't think the show is ever as good as Buffy, which isn't as good as Firefly (IMO), but actually I like Angel's season 5 enough to own it (I own all the Buffys).

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:53 PM

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:55 PM

It gets much darker over time. But it still retains some of its "cheesyness" recommend you dont give up and try to hang in for a bit longer.

You can’t stop the Signal.
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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:55 PM

It gets much darker over time. But it still retains some of its "cheesyness" recommend you dont give up and try to hang in for a bit longer.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:55 PM

It gets much darker over time. But it still retains some of its "cheesyness" recommend you dont give up and try to hang in for a bit longer.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:55 PM

It gets much darker over time. But it still retains some of its "cheesyness" recommend you dont give up and try to hang in for a bit longer.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:55 PM

It gets much darker over time. But it still retains some of its "cheesyness" recommend you dont give up and try to hang in for a bit longer.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:55 PM

It gets much darker over time. But it still retains some of its "cheesyness" recommend you dont give up and try to hang in for a bit longer.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:02 PM

It's okay little River I never really go into Angel either. It can be a lot of fun but the begining doesn't pack the punch of Buffy by a long shot. I guess I always just wanted Buffy 2 the Angel story but it was completely different. Fred is a bright shiny spot though. You'll meet her later.

An I carried such a torch

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:07 PM

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:14 PM

Oh, you havent seen Buffy. Well that kinda ruins alot since only Doyle in the beginning isnt a buffy character. Angel, Cordy, Spike, they are all from buffy. Personally I like Angel better then Buffy, so I cant really give you the tip to buy them all since you have a problem with Angel, but try to catch a rerun or two if you can.

You can’t stop the Signal.
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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:14 PM

Oh, you havent seen Buffy. Well that kinda ruins alot since only Doyle in the beginning isnt a buffy character. Angel, Cordy, Spike, they are all from buffy. Personally I like Angel better then Buffy, so I cant really give you the tip to buy them all since you have a problem with Angel, but try to catch a rerun or two if you can.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:14 PM

Oh, you havent seen Buffy. Well that kinda ruins alot since only Doyle in the beginning isnt a buffy character. Angel, Cordy, Spike, they are all from buffy. Personally I like Angel better then Buffy, so I cant really give you the tip to buy them all since you have a problem with Angel, but try to catch a rerun or two if you can.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:14 PM

Oh, you havent seen Buffy. Well that kinda ruins alot since only Doyle in the beginning isnt a buffy character. Angel, Cordy, Spike, they are all from buffy. Personally I like Angel better then Buffy, so I cant really give you the tip to buy them all since you have a problem with Angel, but try to catch a rerun or two if you can.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:14 PM

Oh, you havent seen Buffy. Well that kinda ruins alot since only Doyle in the beginning isnt a buffy character. Angel, Cordy, Spike, they are all from buffy. Personally I like Angel better then Buffy, so I cant really give you the tip to buy them all since you have a problem with Angel, but try to catch a rerun or two if you can.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:14 PM

Oh, you havent seen Buffy. Well that kinda ruins alot since only Doyle in the beginning isnt a buffy character. Angel, Cordy, Spike, they are all from buffy. Personally I like Angel better then Buffy, so I cant really give you the tip to buy them all since you have a problem with Angel, but try to catch a rerun or two if you can.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:19 PM

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:44 PM

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:06 PM

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:27 PM

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:31 PM

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:38 PM

Yes, I imagine she is quite the heroine. She does always seem to win. I preferred Faith but you will see her turn up soon enough on Angel.

You probably would have been better served watching Buffy first but to each his own. While I really liked the series I found myself incresingly not liking Buffy as a character. She got more whiny and preachy with each season.

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We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:06 PM

Basic premise to catch you up to the Buffy stuff: Angel was a very, very bad boy for a long time and now he feels guilty about it, so he wants to help people now. If you want a longer explanation...

Angel (his evil self is called Angelus) was a very mean and nasty vampire for a very long time. For about 250 years he murdered, raped, and psychologically destroyed thousands of people. He was made by a vampire named Darla, who is a badass but Angel ended up staking her in the first season of Buffy. He sired a vampire named Drusilla, who is batshit insane--which is Angelus's fault. He stalked her, killed her whole family in front of her, tortured her til she was full nutso and then turned into a vampire. Then later on she sired a vampire called Spike and he ends up being a huge big deal on Buffy too. The four of them did very nasty things together for about 20 years until Angel got a soul by eating the wrong gypsy. He got cursed by her vengeful family.

Angel wound up in America in the early 20th century (he's supposed to be Irish by the way, but just try and ignore the accent in the flashbacks as much as you can). He bummed around the continent and was just plain moody for about 70 years. Then he went crazy (the story is in season 4 of Angel) and was a homeless rat eater for 20 years until he got talked into following/protecting a new slayer, Buffy. He did that and whoops, they fell in love. They had sex, which made him really happy, which is apparently the wrong thing to be when you have a gypsy curse. He lost his soul, wore leather pants, very dramatically murdered one of Buffy's friends, and killed a whole bunch of cannon fodder schoolmates. Buffy and Angelus got into a huge deathmatchy fight when he tried to start an apocalypse. One of Buffy's friends (a witch named Willow who shows up on Angel from time to time) was trying to do a spell to restore Angel's soul. A bit too late, because Buffy had to send Angel to hell.

Somehow, Angel gets let out of hell. He's a bit wild and even more broody than usual. He and Buffy try to be 'just friends', it doesn't work. He leaves for her own good and winds up in Los Angeles. There he decides to make it on his own (with the help of an increasing number of sidekicks) and help the helpless in order to start to atone for the tons of very naughty things he's done.

Yeah, that wasn't short at all and I left out about 3/4 of the plots.... it's an intricate world.

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:15 PM

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:42 PM

THESOMNAMBULIST

Hey RiveR6213 - please stick with it. I think your initial trepidations are due to not having seen Buffy. As hard as they may try to eliminate the need to watch Buffy in understanding Angel, fact is it helps a great deal. Otherwise you're diving into bizarro world.

Some of the inital episodes are 'out there' and as though many of the writers have been smoking the carpet, but you'll become accustomed soon enough.

Stay with it. Please.

The
Somnambulist

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:13 AM

I'm really glad you're liking Angel now! It makes me sad when the people I like don't like the things I like!

I agree it starts badly but I really do like Angel (not half as good as Buffy though!)

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:01 AM

It all makes more sense if you've seen Buffy first... Angel is only in the first three seasons of Buffy (apart from a few crossover episides later), so you get to know the character, understand the dark side of him, all the angsty Buffy Stuffy.

If it's not too late, STOP, watch Buffy first!

:-)

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:08 AM

All this makes me really glad I've started with Buffy and really intrigued with Angel.

"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:08 AM

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:53 AM

River,

That is one of my favorite Angel episodes. HATE the soap opera-y parts of it, but LOVE the Buffy/Angel torture at the end. IMO, it is some of the best acting SMG has ever done.

I think it would be really hard to watch Angel without having seen at least the first three seasons of Buffy. That gives you the proper backstory/frame of reference. Add to that, having to jump into this strange world of vampires and demons can be difficult. On the special features disc that goes with the Chosen Collection (Seasons 1-7 Buffy packaged together), Joss makes a statement about how the title of Buffy sums up the series. It was something like Buffy (Campy) the (you always need a 'the') Vampire (horror) Slayer (action). So it's a campy horror action show. Angel continues that but takes a slightly different path. You can't expect either show to be believable. It's a completely different universe with its own rules, etc. Buy into the 'verse and you'll be on one heck of a ride.

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:58 AM

River, I'll have to agree with my esteemed colleagues here, Buffy The Chosen Collection needs your attention ASAP. Being a spinoff, Angel richly depends on your 'getting' the foundation.
And Buffy is stellar.
As good as Dark Angel, the one I said you should get...

Girls kick ass; says so on a tee shirt Chrisisall

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:21 PM

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
River, I'll have to agree with my esteemed colleagues here, Buffy The Chosen Collection needs your attention ASAP. Being a spinoff, Angel richly depends on your 'getting' the foundation.
And Buffy is stellar.
As good as Dark Angel, the one I said you should get...

Girls kick ass; says so on a tee shirt Chrisisall

I misunderstood. I thought you said Angel, not Dark Angel so I ordered all I could find. Oh well...

ROTFLMAO! So this is actually all ChrisIsAll's fault! ;)

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I don't need a gorram back-spaceship driver!!!

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 3:59 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

It sounds like you're warming up to it, though. Keep it up; it'll pull you in, and then you'll find that you can't wait to find out what happens next.

Mike

A baby seal walks into a club...

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 3:59 PM

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:53 PM

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Originally posted by Shiny:

ROTFLMAO! So this is actually all ChrisIsAll's fault! ;)

No way, this is all Nancy-girl's fault here, racing off in her Rivermobile to order the wrong title!

At least she didn't order Touched by an Angel, heh heh.

Chrisisall

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:15 PM

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:59 PM

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:10 PM

Her name is Cordelia Chase

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:10 PM

Her name is Cordelia Chase

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:10 PM

Her name is Cordelia Chase

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:10 PM

Her name is Cordelia Chase

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:10 PM

Her name is Cordelia Chase

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:10 PM

Her name is Cordelia Chase

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:49 PM

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Friday, May 19, 2006 8:35 AM

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Nancy-Girl? Rivermobile? What am I, a Batgirl?

Just doing a version of Spike from the first Angel ep, love.

Now order Dark Angel if you will.

It's the subject of much musing. I go on and on...

He never quits Chrisisall

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Friday, May 19, 2006 8:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
River, I'll have to agree with my esteemed colleagues here, Buffy The Chosen Collection needs your attention ASAP. Being a spinoff, Angel richly depends on your 'getting' the foundation.
And Buffy is stellar.
As good as Dark Angel, the one I said you should get...

Girls kick ass; says so on a tee shirt Chrisisall

I misunderstood. I thought you said Angel, not Dark Angel so I ordered all I could find. Oh well...my bad.

River

do you have the Buffy DVDs on hand? Because you really should watch the first three seasons of that before even starting Angel!

(but I'm glad you are getting into Angel)

- embers

PS (and Dark Angel is also really cool)

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Saturday, May 20, 2006 5:22 PM

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Saturday, May 20, 2006 5:47 PM

You'll like her even more on her own show...
she didn't suffer much when she visited Angel because he was suffering...

but Joss would throw one situation after another at his hero, and Buffy really does reflect the whole concept of the Hero's Journey...
she is made miserable in every way the writer's could imagine... In fact, it would be fun to write an essay about what was being done to destroy our super hero in each season.

(I love these shows!)

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Sunday, May 21, 2006 8:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:

PS (and Dark Angel is also really cool)

*Chrisisall bows to the wisdom of Embers*

Dark Chrisisall

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Thursday, May 25, 2006 11:34 AM

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Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:49 PM

Okay, but season one of Angel happens along side of season four of Buffy, 2 and 5, 3 and six, and so on.
It would make the most chronological sense if you watched 'em side by side like that.

Just sayin' Chrisisall

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Saturday, May 27, 2006 6:34 AM

looks like River has left the building...
it is too bad.

I hope she does end up watching BtVS, I think she would get a lot of of it.

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Sunday, May 28, 2006 1:31 AM

On another thread she said she's already watched Season 1 & 2...

Chrisisall Harris

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Monday, May 29, 2006 6:50 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
On another thread she said she's already watched Season 1 & 2...

Chrisisall Harris

I've watched them before, but I really didnt WATCH them like I'm doing now. I'm REALLY SEEING this show for the 1st time. It really gets sadder and sadder and sadder... The universe has yet to cut Buffy some slack.

River

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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:35 AM

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
The universe has yet to cut Buffy some slack.

Rather like RL, eh?

Just without the demons being as amusing Chrisisall

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Saturday, June 3, 2006 8:20 PM

Angel Season 1, disc 2. 'I Will Always Remember You' is so heartbreaking. This is the episode that I keep going back to and watching. I don't know why I do this, but something in this episode calls to something deep within myself.

River

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Sunday, June 4, 2006 3:02 AM

It's an episode that makes me think 'What if'- the fantasy place in your brain that could change one or two things and make your life perfect- but then I come back to reality.
And the episode drives that feeling home with a vengeance.

I'm getting misty....

Chrisisall, with tear ducts

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