OK So Spike or Angel? by shinytalent

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OK So Spike or Angel?

POSTED BY: SHINYTALENT
UPDATED: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 06:51
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Saturday, November 19, 2005 8:45 PM

I love Angel as much as the next person, I mean it was a great show BUT I think (personally) that the last season rocked due to the introduction of Spike.

I am even starting to think that Spike is actually a better character and not just that but better looking

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Saturday, November 19, 2005 9:32 PM

MILT

I too think that Spike is an excelent character but the reason that season 5 was so great was because Spike and Angel played so well off of eachother.

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Sunday, November 20, 2005 12:19 AM

ZOOT

OK, so I've never even seen season 5 of Angel - due to livign in the UK and not having the cash to purchase the DVD but I'd still say Spike over Angel any day ... Granted they both get given fairly witty lines but Angel is just too damn darka dn broody for me!!

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Sunday, November 20, 2005 9:19 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Zoot:
OK, so I've never even seen season 5 of Angel - due to livign in the UK and not having the cash to purchase the DVD but I'd still say Spike over Angel any day ... Granted they both get given fairly witty lines but Angel is just too damn darka dn broody for me!!

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Okay, I'm lost, I'm angry, and I'm
armed.

Spike, definatly. And you MUST see Season 5 and enough w/ the excuses. It's some of Joss's best stuff ever.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, November 20, 2005 5:26 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Spike, absolutely. Who else could get away with calling Angel "Captain Forehead", or remarking that Angel had to get "some more of that nancy hair-gel"? :)

I didn't really care for Angel as a character at all, UNTIL I started watching Angel (the show). Then I started to appreciate him, but Spike still got much better, much funnier lines 9 times out of 10. Sure, if you were in a dark alley cornered by big-bads you'd want Angel to have your back, but at least with Spike at your side you'd have a chance to die laughing...

Mike

Grrrrr. Arrrgghh.

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Monday, November 21, 2005 9:41 AM

MER

Spike...and always will be Spike. I never was much of an Angel fan. I like him, but I find him whissy washy...which can be great at times if someone makes fun of him like Spike for example.

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Monday, November 21, 2005 11:11 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Oh, one of the funnier moments (from Season 5)....

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where Angel tells the group that one of them will betray him, and in a nano second, Spike raises his hand, as if to volunteer. Hi-larious!

For those who've not seen S5, chop chop! Get to it!

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Monday, November 21, 2005 12:21 PM

QUEENOFTHENORTH

Hands down, Spike. While Angel has some amusing moments (imagining himself dancing, for example), Spike is just waaaayyy funnier. Not to mention hot.

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Saturday, November 26, 2005 4:08 PM

HYDRAGON

Angel and Spike are both extra-awesome, and Angel is great with the deadpan humour. However, I think Spike was awesomest without the soul. Angel is awesome either way, though.

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Saturday, November 26, 2005 4:35 PM

GYPSYLIFE

OK I have to go against what seems to be the grain here. I'm always gonna vote for angel. Not to say that Spike isn't a great character, deep and hi-larious. "...and now I'm just a bigfluffy puppy." Spike makes me laugh hi=-sterically, However, I'm a sucker for the tortured soul thing. That inward turmoil and self doubt always drew me to Angel's character. Joss himself said that we identify with all the characters pain and that's why Buffy was always in pain. So I'll give Spike his due, but when it comes down to the two, I'm gonna cast my vote for Angel.

"Some People juggle geese!"

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Sunday, November 27, 2005 3:11 AM

LIMINALOSITY

As much as I love Angel,

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I cheered when Spike swirled up out of the amulet at the beginning of season 5.

Angel angst is so well written and acted, "If nothing we do matters..." and the imaginary dancing (!)

But Spike stole my heart forever when he fell out the the car drunk in "Lover's Walk".

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Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:28 PM

CAT1620RD

Is this seriously a legitimate question, Spike hands down, (though I do think Angel is cuter) Spike is just so Sarcastic and hi-larious and just so Spike! He is everyones favorite.

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I totally cried when he died in buffy I was ready to kill Joss Whedon...even more then I am now because of Wash, and I had never watched Angel before I only turned to it cause buffy was over so I figured I would watch one episode, then Spike came out of the amulat and I watched teh rest of the season and went back to watch the others.

Spike WINS!!!!!

So now Astrounauts VS Cavemen!!!

"It's a real burden being right so often."

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Sunday, January 1, 2006 10:59 PM

XLOGIC

Whilst I enjoyed Spike on ‘Buffy’ (par the final season when I think that he was just too prominent and the writing of the character seemed, at times to be all over the place), I was pretty pissed about him transferring over the ‘Angel’ at the beginning of Season 5.

Putting it simply, it was because of the character’s popularity – which, I don’t think, it necessarily right. As an ‘Angel’ fan primarily (a ‘Buffy’ fan secondarily) I felt that the WB (who demanded that Spike come over – as well as slashing the show’s budget) were tainting my show. Furthermore, I worried greatly about the effect this would have on the screentime of the other characters on the show. As I comment before, the seventh season of ‘Buffy’ could have been renamed ‘The Buffy and Spike show’; and I didn’t want that to happen to ‘Angel’. I particularly feared for the screentime of Alexis.

Having said that, whilst it may not have been for the right reasons, it worked. Joss and co made it work. Spike came in he brought something new to the show. James had a great chemistry with David and his presence brought this new dynamic to the show. Also it created one of the best character arcs of the show’s history – Angel’s lose of faith in the Shanshu Prophecy and himself.

I do, however, feel that the sheer quality of Season Five (also my favourite of the series’ run) cannot simply be laid at James’ feet, though it was certainly a factor. The writing that season was just tighter, Alexis and Amy were phenomenal and I think the show benefited from the more attention that Joss was able to provide. And the finale was just…. Amazing is not the word.

I seen so much death... I been on fields carpeted with bodies, friends and enemies - i seen men and women blown apart to messes no further from me to you. But every single ones of those people died on their feet. Fighting. Or, hell, running away - doing summat to get through...

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Monday, January 2, 2006 2:57 AM

EMBERS

Spike, definitely Spike

but I did like Angel more when he was with Spike
they were definitely a good duo (or rivalry)

Joss said that he was always pairing Angel off with little blondes
and in Spike he had finally found the perfect ingenue for Angel

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Wednesday, January 4, 2006 3:18 AM

DAX82

Is everyone forgetting that William the Bloody was a poet. What was Liam? A drunken bar room brawler.This is before he was evil. Spike was funny, but Angel had 10xs the depth. But like what alot of you are saying they play off of eachother so well that you cant really say whos better. Im going to though, Angel all the way!

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Sunday, January 22, 2006 6:06 PM

VISITINGMYINTENTIONS

Angel was...boring. Just plain boring. Get over the whole "tortured" thing already! Spike was interesting from the moment he walked on screen in School Hard, and Angel boring from WttHM on. Angelus was a great character. The quote that always springs to mind is, "It seems that in losing his soul, Angel has regained his sense of whimsy." We sometime get Angelus-like moments from Angel, and that, to me, is one of the few redeeming features of the character. That and the amusing Spike-Angel interactions. Spike was the sort of person who spreads enthusiasm, much as Willow or Fred did. This to me is the ultimate measure by which a person is determined likeable. There is almost nothing Spike takes too seriously, which I consider to be a virtue.

And I would say Spike had more "depth" to him than Angel. Spike could be both pathetic and heroic, scary and comforting, bad and good. His character actually evolved. Was the Angel of AtS season 5 really different than the Angel of BtVS season 2? If the differences are there, they are quite subtle, compared to how much every other character on both shows changed.

Also? Spike is just that much hotter, with that tasty faux-british accent. I can't deny that that influences me in my choice.

As a side note- I'm watching Season 5 (having never seen 2-4) and I don't understand exactly what Angel does at W&H. In Angel Investigations, he clearly had the central role as tracker and fighter, but at W&H? Gunn does all the managerial stuff. Does Angel do anything but sign papers and occasionally dismember clients? The question's been eating at me all day.

"it has some sweet character deaths -- I mean moments!" - Joss Whedon

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Sunday, January 22, 2006 6:22 PM

STAKETHELURK

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Originially posted by VisitingMyIntentions:
As a side note- I'm watching Season 5 (having never seen 2-4) and I don't understand exactly what Angel does at W&H. In Angel Investigations, he clearly had the central role as tracker and fighter, but at W&H? Gunn does all the managerial stuff. Does Angel do anything but sign papers and occasionally dismember clients?

Angel is CEO and President of Wolfram & Hart, Los Angeles. This means that he is ultimately in charge, the final arbiter of anything Gunn or Wes or whomever comes up with. Gunn is their legal expert, so he’s the one who deals with most of the technical issues and the speaking of the legalese. But Angel is the overall manager of things.

Which is not to say that he’s necessarily a good one. He’s not fond of just sitting behind a desk while everyone else does fieldwork. And because a large institution like Wolfram & Hart largely runs itself, he doesn’t necessarily have much of import to do even at his desk. I guess his most important role as far as the W&H system goes is simply to be there. Don’t know how far into Season 5 you’ve gotten, so I can’t really expand much on what else Angel gets up to while he’s there. But essentially, he has a vast amount of power at his disposal but is immensely frustrated by it because he can’t exercise that power except by proxy. That is, he’d rather go out and do things rather than tell people to do them.

So I guess, in the end, your question is the same one Angel is asking himself. Anyway, keep watching and hopefully all will become clear.

I hope you enjoy the rest of the season, it’s my personal favorite.

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Sunday, January 29, 2006 5:21 PM

LAMIASONG

A little trivia:

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Originally posted by VisitingMyIntentions:

As a side note- I'm watching Season 5 (having never seen 2-4) and I don't understand exactly what Angel does at W&H. Does Angel do anything but sign papers and occasionally dismember clients? The question's been eating at me all day.
"it has some sweet character deaths -- I mean moments!" - Joss Whedon

During the filming of this "Oh My GODDESS!" s5, DB had to go through some rough knee surgery... it must of been fun for them -working that in before realising that as CEO, Angel could just sit around quite a lot and do that ever boring brooding

... Which as it happens without giving the story away- (have you finished watching it yet?) He didn't have that much time to brood because of Blondie Bear. Yey!

I love Blondie Bear, he fought so hard to get that soul... well a few days in desert with a couple of demons...

Also- watch season 3-AtS a favourite with some very good eps for all characters. Waiting In The Wings. 'Nuff said.

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You mean...sex?
I mean...sex.
Oh hell- I'm gonna live!

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Saturday, February 11, 2006 9:12 PM

WTE

Angel. I hope I don't get killed for this, but I thought season 5 was the weakest season of Angel. Not to say it was bad, by any means, I just enjoyed the first four much more for some reason.

Still, the finale was pretty awesome.

HONKS

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Saturday, February 11, 2006 9:18 PM

MALSGIRL

Spike no contest! I have to say I was never a big fan of Angel until I...cough...started to read Buffy books, then I got it. But Spike is no contest better, as far as I'm concerned.

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Saturday, February 11, 2006 11:21 PM

GYPSYLIFE

Quote:
Originally posted by VisitingMyIntentions:
Angel was...boring. Just plain boring. Get over the whole "tortured" thing already!

Now, now, everyone's entitled to their opinion. I personally have no control over my complusion for the tortured thing, no need to get tetchy. I am overwhelmed by Spike lover's here, but I don't dis on him, I give him his props as he thusly deserves. I think Angel's a lot deeper character than you're giving him credit for. I definately reccomend watching all the seasons of Angel before you make a final choice.

"See this is another sign of your tragic space dementia, all paranoid and crotchety. Breaks the heart." -Mal

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Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:38 AM

PHI

Quote:
Originally posted by gypsylife:
I am overwhelmed by Spike lover's here

You aren't totally alone Gypsy, I will add my voice to our small but happy crowd.

Don't get me wrong, I adore Spike as much as the next non-blind girl with some semblance of humor but… and I may be b*tch slapped for saying this... I personally felt that the Spike that had me in stitches in the early seasons of Buffy got transformed so dramatically that I couldn't continue to watch him in the same way.

That said, I am one of the sad cases without a channel that has screened season five. He may have gone back to being good ol' Will the bloody that I loved to slightly hate.

However, my vote could not and would not change.

Sure, Angel's dark and brooding side is a permanent fixture. But that's his character. Tall dark mystery man with a dark past that he can't forget. Spike is his antithesis bar their shared past.

Guess I'm a sucker for the tortured soul. Plus, you know, the looks. I love Spike but Angel has always been my favourite.

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Sunday, February 12, 2006 2:12 AM

RIVERTAMKICKSASS03

Angel is the best when he's a bad guy either when he was Angelus or in season 2 of angel.

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Thursday, April 6, 2006 5:00 PM

RMMC

Phi, I'm with you and Gypsylife. It was Angel from the get-go (it doesn't hurt that I prefer brunettes to blondes

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I like Spike, but frankly I found him much more fun being happily evil. Angel I liked either way.

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Friday, April 7, 2006 11:33 AM

WHOOPS

Gota go with Spike (gota support the English guy) But seriously i thought his performances were very good in Angel and in Buffy.

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Friday, April 7, 2006 3:23 PM

JWHEDONADDICT

I adore both characters pretty much equally, I guess. They're both intriguing, decent (at the end of the day) and incredibly sexy. If I were Buffy, I'd have trouble choosing, too!

However, in real life, I'm more of a Joe Normal kind of girl. I'm more into the nice, stable men, like Xander, Riley and Wes.

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Saturday, April 8, 2006 7:03 AM

EVILDINOSAUR

I think they're both awesome characters, one's not better than the other. And as several people have said allready I'm sure, the reason the introduction of Spike was so great in season 5 is because david and james work so great with eachother, and whenever Spike and Angel get into an argument, hilarity ensues. (remembering the astronaut vs. caveman argument lol)

"Haha, mine is an evil laugh."

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Saturday, April 8, 2006 12:13 PM

THENCDUCK

Quote:
Originally posted by EvilDinosaur:
I think they're both awesome characters, one's not better than the other. And as several people have said allready I'm sure, the reason the introduction of Spike was so great in season 5 is because david and james work so great with eachother, and whenever Spike and Angel get into an argument, hilarity ensues. (remembering the astronaut vs. caveman argument lol)

"Haha, mine is an evil laugh."

That was a hilarious argument, I laugh evertime I watch that episode. I wish there could have been another season with those two characters. Hopefully we will get a movie with both of them in it.

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:30 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST

Not a big fan of Season 5 personally. And not particualrly a big fan of Spike once he was passed Buffy season 4.

He just hung around like a bad smell, and he'd be put into the most ridiculous of places!

I mean he left sunnydale, then came back, left for LA and then came back, then left once more and went to LA again!

James Marsters is clearly a wonderful actor but the tenuous links they'd employ to keep him around was detrimental to the overall plot. And Angel season 5 suffered through too many faces from the past coming back to make light threats and be beaten.

That said one of the funniest episodes EVER is the one where Angel and Spike go to Italy!!! Absolutely fantastic!!! Trouble is that felt like an entirely different show altogether :(

So to answer the question (sorry) Angel.

The
Somnambulist

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:04 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:

So to answer the question (sorry) Angel.

Ah, mi amigo, the only real difference we share.
I like Spike!
I can't wait to see Spike and Angel play off eachother!

Chrisisall, out for a walk, bitch.

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:14 AM

DALLASFIREFLY

I preferred Spike, Angel was a dull character by comparison.

I wanna be Mr. Baccarin!

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:17 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:

So to answer the question (sorry) Angel.

Ah, mi amigo, the only real difference we share.
I like Spike!
I can't wait to see Spike and Angel play off eachother!

Chrisisall, out for a walk, bitch.

Hey Chris

Well it had to happen I guess.

Thing is I don't dislike Spike, but he was at his best when paired with Drusilla in Season 2 of Buffy.

Still it's just like me to choose the one character to be annoyed by and have him show up for the longest stint in a Joss show!

You can imagine I was just waiting for his obligatory appearance in SERENITY

The
Sulky One ;)

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 11:05 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:

You can imagine I was just waiting for his obligatory appearance in SERENITY

He would have made a good Badger....

Spike bugged me at first Chrisisall

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 11:10 AM

RUGBUG

Angel. It's got to be Angel.

Spike is funny. Spike is ridiculous. Spike has no moral compass, even when he has a soul. He's superficial...although very upfront about it.

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When Spike comes back, one of the first things he tries to do is to leave and find Buffy. Whe he is finally corporealized (is that a word...and if so, did I spell is correctly?

) he wants to go get her.

Spike doesn't care about anyone but himself (and indirectly Buffy, but only because he wants her. Angel wants Buffy as well...probably more so..and yet he knows that it isn't right for them to be together. Spike is more fun because he's a child. Angel is more adult in his decisions and therefore less likeable. Not that Angel is always right, but just more responsible. Angel knows that he will never atone for his wrongs. Spike doesn't much care.

And on a purely superficial note: Angel may wear lifts, but he's like 5" taller than Spike, who is only a smidge taller than Buffy (SMG is 5'2"?). I like my men to be at least a tad taller than me.

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 11:19 AM

CHRISISALL

Look at the end of Fool For Love, a hint of nobility remains...even without a soul.
I think you don't give Spike enough credit...

Nancy-boy Chrisisall

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 11:35 AM

KWICKO

On the matter of the whole soul-having thing, you've also got to remember that Angel had his soul imposed on him, twice, without a choice in the matter - once by a Gypsy curse, and then by Willow's spell. Spike, on the other hand, CHOSE to go and fight for his soul and regain it through trials and tests. So who's the nobler and more responsible of the two now? :) It's a tougher question than it looks like on first blush...

Mike

A baby seal walks into a club...

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 11:43 AM

VINTERDRAKEN