'I Will Remember You'- Angel season 1 by chrisisall

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'I Will Remember You'- Angel season 1

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
UPDATED: Friday, June 9, 2006 04:59
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Tuesday, June 6, 2006 5:39 AM

This ep had me in tears, as it was meant to.
How many of y'all were like me, and how many found it to be just a sappy season one entry, and wanted to get back to Angel, without Buffy hindering him?

Curious Chrisisall

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Tuesday, June 6, 2006 5:48 AM

RUGBUG

I've already mentioned a bunch of times how much I loved this ep, but I'll say it again...I LURVED IT! Both David and SMG did a great job in the end...which was really what made the episode. It was very soap-y before that part with some REALLY cheesy stuff. Seriously, the ice cream on the chest thing? How manufactured did that look? (Although to give some credit, it was probably hard to get the ice cream to drip off the spoon at the exact right moment.) But I fully believed the ending. They sold me on the heartbreak. SMG has never put so much vunerability into Buffy as she did in that scene. And then to have it all taken away? That was heartbreaking as well. You expect to see some glimmer of rememberance in her and there's nothing. Ouch.

Other parts I enjoyed? Angel eating all the food. "I LOVE chocolate...and not, as it turns out, yogurt." So funny...and giddy Angel is cute Angel.

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Tuesday, June 6, 2006 8:25 AM

GROUNDED

Can't argue - great ep :)

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Tuesday, June 6, 2006 10:13 AM

CHRISISALL

If it was a Buffy ep, would it make it into, say, your top five?

Playful Chrisisall

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Tuesday, June 6, 2006 11:29 AM

RUGBUG

I don't think it would work as a Buffy ep if only b/c it doesn't fit within the framework of the show. There really is no Powers That Be or Oracles in BtVS. Both those elements of Angel are critical to the storyline of "I Will Remember You." Without them how do you turn back time and take the day away?

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Tuesday, June 6, 2006 11:47 AM

CHRISISALL

But...
Don't they exist all around? I mean, if it's in one show, it exists in both, doesn't it?

Isn't it ALL the Buffy/AngelVerse?

Chrisisall?

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Tuesday, June 6, 2006 12:03 PM

THESOMNAMBULIST

Actually Chris I'd say Angel did very well at maintaining an identity of it's own. I loved those early crossovers they used to do - it felt particularly cosy. However I always felt they managed the crossovers perfectly. This one felt like an Angel episode, inspite of the heavy Buffy story arc.

Having said that I didn't really blub over this one, I kinda always wanted Angel to move on from Buffy, so as we could take things up a gear, and while the story is intending to tug the heart strings I was rooting for Angel to whoop some demon ass!! I love a good metaphor as much as the next guy but Samson needed his hair! Angel needed his Vamp face!

:D

The
Somnambulist

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Tuesday, June 6, 2006 12:08 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
This one felt like an Angel episode, inspite of the heavy Buffy story arc.

Agreed. Despite Buffy's presence, it was still Angel's turf. And it felt more like it was told from his POV, too.

Chrisisallgelus

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Tuesday, June 6, 2006 12:28 PM

GROUNDED

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
If it was a Buffy ep, would it make it into, say, your top five?

Nope :)

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Tuesday, June 6, 2006 12:33 PM

THESOMNAMBULIST

Holy revelation Batman!!!

Chrisisall I just realised one of the fundamental reasons I wanted you to watch Angel in the first place....

.....For the stunt work of course.

D'ya realise we have five seasons of stunts to talk about

This probably demands a new thread... It's a tad late presently but I shall endevour to strike one up tomorrow. I DO know this gives me a solid reason why I should start rewatching all those early seasons.

On your marks, get ready......

The
Somnambulist

www.cirqus.com

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Tuesday, June 6, 2006 12:44 PM

CHRISISALL

Uh-oh, don't get me started on that first fight scene in the first ep of season 5......
Or the move from real-time to slo-mo that was so effective....

Saving it for later Chrisisall

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Tuesday, June 6, 2006 5:42 PM

MPHILLIPS

Whatever you do don't watch this episode after a hard days work and you're tired ..I have to say the actors made me glance around and blame the peppers on the pizza...that's my story..yeah, the peppers and onions..'cause bein' all manly, a mere tv show with guys in rubber masks don't effect me none

mphillips

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Tuesday, June 6, 2006 8:41 PM

RIVER6213

I Will Always Remember you. Is without a doubt an Angel episode, but Buffy came in there like the mentioned heroine that she is, with a sort of presences, and for some reason, I was impressed with her right off even though I hadn't learned about her yet.
I stopped at Angel, season 2 and went to watching Buffy from season 1 to season 4 (yes I know I said I would stop at season 3 Chrisisall, but I couldn’t resist) and I got a good bit of Buffy's history to the point where I could first empathies with her, and then learned to love the character.

I Will Always Remember you. Is an Angel episode in its own right. Buffy provides the foundation to the whole show, but it is Angel that carries the story through. I must confess that I have watched this episode of Angel 5 times now, and each time I cry many tears. The forbidden love between Angel and Buffy is of a tragic sort. It's clear that they love and need each other, but to give into that love leads to pain and sorrow.

I Will Always Remember you Is a great episode and a total soap- opera, but it’s an episode not to miss.

River

P.S. As for Buffy, she's my new all time hero.

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Wednesday, June 7, 2006 9:22 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:

P.S. As for Buffy, she's my new all time hero.

Well, I can certainly understand that, RiveR. I'm doing season two now, for only the second time. It keeps getting better.

I can't wait to hear your comments for seasons 5 thru seven...

Unexpectedly big Buffy fan Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 7, 2006 9:23 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by mphillips:
Whatever you do don't watch this episode after a hard days work and you're tired ..I have to say the actors made me glance around and blame the peppers on the pizza...that's my story..yeah, the peppers and onions..

Hey wait! That was a plain pizza...

Chrisisall??

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Wednesday, June 7, 2006 2:53 PM

CHRONICTHEHEDGEHOG

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
If it was a Buffy ep, would it make it into, say, your top five?

Playful Chrisisall

No way. Not any particular problem with this ep, I loved it, but with Buffy eps like
Once More With Feeling
The Body
Becoming
Hush
Restless
Fool For Love
The Gift
....
It just can't fit that high

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Wednesday, June 7, 2006 4:10 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Chrisisall wrote:

Quote:
How many of y'all were like me, and how many found it to be just a sappy season one entry, and wanted to get back to Angel, without Buffy hindering him?

I'm like you; I well up every time I see it. I think what gets me the most is all the stuff that NO ONE else will remember, but that Angel will remember all alone, with no one to share it with, all the feelings and love he's willing to give up.

It *did* seem like it was the show's way of making a clean break with Buffy's show, so "Angel" could find an identity and direction all its own. Can't imagine a much better way to do that, than with one last great fling, only to have it all yanked away yet again.

Mike

"Human beings are perhaps never more frightening than when they are convinced beyond doubt that they are right."
- Laurens van der Post

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Wednesday, June 7, 2006 4:20 PM

CHRISISALL

Yeah, a perfect Joss heart-render.
Joss, you bastard....

Chrisisall, weeping like a girly-man

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Thursday, June 8, 2006 12:19 PM

LADYSERENITY

I LOVE Angel and got into it when it was showed on TNT a while back when season five was on the air as new episodes. But I have this first season on DVD. I love this episode and yes, tears follow every single time I watch it. That moment at the end where Buffy cries makes me choke up and feel her pain. SMG is a fantastic crier, she looks sad, vulnerable her huge eyes all tear filled and she still looks pretty. Not like all the rest of us look that good when crying. And then to save her Angel has the day taken back. Ohhhh. It was like some others have said a final fling, here is Buffy and Angel together at last and they can get all fleshy and no one is going evil this time. I love the scene where he walks into the sunlight to her and then with no words spoken between them he takes her in his arms and kisses her.
yeah I'm a hopeless romantic and yeah I'm in love with Angel too. (Along with Mal of course)

Speaking of episodes that made me cry in Angel The 100th episode ( the title is not coming to mind at the moment) Hole in the World and the other connecting episode and Never Fade Away the finale. I not only got teary but I sobbed! Sobbed. Okay so I am a sap, but after all this time getting to know the chracters I felt for them and to see what happened to some of my favorite ones made the waterworks come on. I love Angel, Cordy, Wes, Fred especially. Ohhhh. To go back to the begining when you know how it ends.

"Once you've been in Serenity you never leave. You find a way to live in it."

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Thursday, June 8, 2006 3:28 PM

KWICKO

Quote:
The 100th episode ( the title is not coming to mind at the moment)

You're Welcome. Oh, and... y'knkow... you're welcome. :) That one gets me every single time, too. As much as we loved to hate Cordy on Buffy, I grew to love her in Angel. And to have to say goodbye her in "You're Welcome" just tore me up more than I ever thought it could.

These shows ARE soap operas. That makes them a bit of a guilty pleasure for me, but it sure as hell doesn't diminish my pleasure at watching them. As of one year ago, I'd never seen a single episode of Buffy, Angel, or Firefly. Now, I've bought them all on DVD and watched every single ep at least twice. Most of 'em I've watched three times. They're still good, still watchable, and I still cry when Joss wants me to cry. That either makes Joss a very, verrrrryyy good storyteller, or it makes me the un-manliest 6'8", 250-pound 43-year-old man on the planet. Maybe both.

Mike

"Human beings are perhaps never more frightening than when they are convinced beyond doubt that they are right."
- Laurens van der Post

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Thursday, June 8, 2006 5:00 PM

RIVER6213

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
The 100th episode ( the title is not coming to mind at the moment)

As much as we loved to hate Cordy on Buffy, I grew to love her in Angel.

I watched Angel first and thought that Cordy was a pretty perky, lovable character, and about time I reached the end of season 2 of Angel, I loved her, but when I went back and started watching Buffy, I was so shocked at what a bitch, total spoiled brat Cordella had been!

What do you mean 'say goodbye?' Does Cordella die?? No!!! Don’t spoil it!!!

River

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Thursday, June 8, 2006 5:59 PM

KWICKO

River: The 100th ep of Angel was Cordy's last appearance on the show. I guess she figured 100 was a nice, even number and a good time to move on. No spoilage. Better hurry and catch up, though, before someone DOES spoil something for you!

Charisma Carpenter can now be seen, at least occasionally, on Veronica Mars now. I've only watched S1 of that, but she comes along in S2, apparently as the same bitchy, spoiled brat that we loved to hate in Buffy - only this time, I gather she's someone's step-mom!

Mike

"Human beings are perhaps never more frightening than when they are convinced beyond doubt that they are right."
- Laurens van der Post

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Thursday, June 8, 2006 6:29 PM

RIVER6213

Thanks for the spoilage creepoid.

River

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Friday, June 9, 2006 3:48 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Thanks for the spoilage

RiveR, if it's any consolation, I sailed in these threads before seeing it all, and hell, even ASKED for spoilers, and it didn't take away any of the juicy Jossy excellence.
It's all good.

And when yer done, you still have Dark Angel to discover...

Cameron fan too Chrisisall

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Friday, June 9, 2006 4:31 AM

CANTTAKESKY

I loved this ep, and blubbed over it too.

!!!Spoilers below!!!

However, in hindsight, it didn't make much sense to me that Angel would give it all up because he couldn't fight to help save Buffy. Here's why.

1. Xander has no superpowers and he helps save Buffy all the time. You do what you can with what you got, ya know?

2. If he DID give all that up to help save Buffy, then he should have been there to help save Buffy in all her big fights where her life was at high risk. But he wasn't, even when she died. So what did he give it all up for?

3. If he didn't help Buffy in her big fights because he respected Buffy's wishes, then he should have respected them enough to ask Buffy before he gave it all up. Makes sense doesn't it, to ask the love of your life--cause you know, the decision affects her too. Hey Buff, would you rather that I stick around you as a helpless, but loyal companion or would you rather I return to be a superhero, and stay apart so we can both fight the good fight?

So, though I enjoyed it, it no longer ranks among my fav Angel eps.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

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Friday, June 9, 2006 4:43 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:
I loved this ep, and blubbed over it too.

!!!Spoilers below!!!

However, in hindsight, it didn't make much sense to me that Angel would give it all up because he couldn't fight to help save Buffy.

Canttakesky, you just nailed the reasons I don't actually own that ep, it was great the first time I watched it, but these nagging points were always at the back of my mind, and I didn't want to think them through like you did here. Logic, however, must sometimes be thrown out the window to enjoy art, and this ep was a manipulative masterpiece.

Chrisisall*sniff*

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Friday, June 9, 2006 4:50 AM

CANTTAKESKY

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
this ep was a manipulative masterpiece.

Yep, it is. At the time, this ep convinced me to go out and buy all 5 seasons of Angel. It's a marketing episode, and we have to be lenient with advertisements.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

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Friday, June 9, 2006 4:59 AM

CHRISISALL

I do, however, own the disc with The Ring, Eternity, Five By Five and Sanctuary on it- four of my five favourites (the fifth being In The Dark, which I might get later).

Got Faith Chrisisall

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