Its Smile Time! by arcbeatle

yeah.. loved the episode but i do NOT like:

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how angel doesn't even mention buffy or cordy when he talks about relationships.. this "every episode is a one shot thing" is nice.. but man does it leave some thing to be desired sometime.

And of coarse i am happy for wes but WTF?!! how many seasons has he loved fred and then all of a sudden in ONE episode she "falls for him"??? not all that believable sadly.

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Thursday, February 19, 2004 4:35 AM

STILLSHINY

Puppet Angel Rocks!!!

She tried to eat me!

and my nose comes off.

This episode rocks. I used to work with puppets. I was cracking up.

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The whole scene with werewolf girl waking up with fluff in her mouth and the look of sheer horror on her face was wickedly funny. Yes, that's what "I" noticed in the scene.

My friends from Dallas immediately called after it was over and began singing "Self esteem is how we get thing done...." I was roaring with laughter this whole episode.

The wee little puppet man.

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW. I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." --Joss

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Thursday, February 19, 2004 5:21 AM

STEVE580

Aw man, I loved this episode! It was so funny!

Man, when Spike saw Angel the first time, and they fought...and then when Angel grabbed his sword, and the four marched out like they were going to fight some big evil thing...hilarious. "It's time for me to kick your ass all the way back to hell!" But they were puppets? Funny stuff.

As for Fred - that was a bit wierd. I mean, cool for Wes I guess, but I too have a hard time buying it. Maybe things will be made clearer later.

As for werewolf girl - I knew she'd be back! I think it's cool that she and Angel have a thing. It's cool that the series may end with Angel and Wes both romantically involved. Someone said she's not that deep; but I mean, who cares; she's hot.

And you got to see her nekid.
-Steve

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Thursday, February 19, 2004 8:26 AM

KURUKAMI

Fred has, arguably, gotten a bit of a clue ever since the ep with Wesley's "father" guest starring. This has been building for a while -- it's not something that popped up out of nowhere.

That said, my God, what a fun episode. Especially "Angel the Vampire Puppet!" I wonder if they'll sell those at conventions like the plushie Cthulus...

So much cool, hilarious stuff going on in this episode, I nearly fell out of my chair laughing at some of the bits. The shrieking death of Big Squeaky, for example... :lol:

History doesn't always repeat itself. Sometimes it merely shouts "Weren't you listening the first time?!?" and lets fly with a club.

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Thursday, February 19, 2004 8:28 AM

SLAYER730

It's all fun and games until next week, guys....

***Never judge a book by its movie***

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Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:12 AM

KURUKAMI

True. Next week looked... very dark.

History doesn't always repeat itself. Sometimes it merely shouts "Weren't you listening the first time?!?" and lets fly with a club.

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Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:27 AM

STEVE580

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That said, my God, what a fun episode. Especially "Angel the Vampire Puppet!"

That was awesome. And hilarious.
-Steve

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Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:28 AM

All I could think of was, "Well, now I know what *REALLY* happened to Steve from BLUE'S CLUES."

What a hilarious episode. Just awesome. We are almost done with our sweeps cycle and true to form, in slot #3 comes "the funny one". So far we've had:

Sweeps week #1: Return of the past
Sweeps week #2: Retrospective look at the past
Sweeps week #3: The funny one

And true to form looks like the next one's going to be typical Sweeps week #4: Angst-ridden tragedy. Don't'cha just love the comfortable predictability of even some of the finest television?

The funny one's are always my favorites and this is absolutely no exception. I love that they did an evil kids show, too. What a fabulous concept.

Ha! I'm glad I'm not the only perv who noticed the nipple exposure. Can you believe that I had to point it out to my husband? He didn't even notice. Sigh.

I'm even more glad now that Joss did what he did with Cordy. Because he was so willing to dump his formula for that I have no idea what the outcome of next week's ep will be. Could be very interesting.

--Kala

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Thursday, February 19, 2004 12:44 PM

INSANESPIKE

Absolutely great episode. Just makes me even sadder that we've only got EIGHT episodes left now. But at least Joss is going to make damn sure he keeps us entertained for those last eight!

And I have to say, my favorite line of the whole thing..."You're a bloody puppet!"

"How drunk was I last night?"

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Thursday, February 19, 2004 2:08 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Cecil ?

I hit the floor in shrieking giggles on that moment.

This episode all by itself is a warped-whedon cult-classic.

I normally don't care for the show, but that one was ferkin funny.

-frem
diefuxdie

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Thursday, February 19, 2004 2:11 PM

SLAYER730

Ok, so I guess I'm the only one who read the spoilers for next week's SAD episode....

***Never judge a book by its movie***

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Friday, February 20, 2004 12:57 AM

DRAKON

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where angel the puppet and the rest of the gang came walking out of the room and angel had the sword. and also when angel and spike faught. high-larious.

Does anyone have a screen cap of this? Daughter and wife want it for wallpaper. I just want it.

Ya know, Major Character turned into puppet is not what I normally think of as good tv, or drama. But damn!!! Joss rocks.

"Wash, where is my damn spaceship?"

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Friday, February 20, 2004 1:00 AM

DRAKON

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yeah.. loved the episode but i do NOT like:

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how angel doesn't even mention buffy or cordy when he talks about relationships.. this "every episode is a one shot thing" is nice.. but man does it leave some thing to be desired sometime.

And of coarse i am happy for wes but WTF?!! how many seasons has he loved fred and then all of a sudden in ONE episode she "falls for him"??? not all that believable sadly.

Well, your first point is in error, sorta. While he didn't the whole chat with Wes, well, listen to it again. It took me time to figure out exactly who or what Wes was on about.

As to your second point, Remember the chat she had with Harmony?

"Wash, where is my damn spaceship?"

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Friday, February 20, 2004 1:17 AM

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Well, your first point is in error, sorta. While he didn't the whole chat with Wes, well, listen to it again. It took me time to figure out exactly who or what Wes was on about.

As to your second point, Remember the chat she had with Harmony?

Nah, I gotta stand by what I said. I became a fan after watching season 2 and 3.. every freaking episode was linear.. where the last one ended, the next began.. they talked about shit that if you hadn't been watching the show, you were lost.. I love that kinda special treatment. I just miss it in season 5.. I wanted their NAMES said..

as far as Fred goes.. remember when Wes and Gunn first started talking about her.. it took weeks for them to do anything about it.. that kind of build up is really nice to watch in my opinion and I think this time through it just lacked.. even if she HAD been after Wes for a few eps (which I certainly didn't see it) it wouldn't have been long enough.. she should have to work a hell of alot harder for him dammit

Wes is the man, and she shoulda seen it a loooong time ago (yes, I have issues)

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Friday, February 20, 2004 9:40 AM

YORICK28

I signed up for the board just so I could reply to Drakon's post. :)

Drakon, I have a jpg of the first image you mentioned. If you'd like to email me at yorick_jest@hotmail.com I'll send it along to you.

Best,

Y

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Friday, February 20, 2004 9:40 AM

YORICK28

edited because I apparently double clicked the "post" button. Grr, argh. Sorry 'bout that.

In the meantime, I'm with those who are big fans of "Smile Time." Puppet Angel is an image I will treasure until the end of my days.

I can't wait to watch it again with my brother.

The next week clips have me as worried as everyone else, though...

Y

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Friday, February 20, 2004 10:25 AM

AAAARRRGGHHHHH!!!!

I can't believe I missed this episode!

Crap, darn .... gorammit and didn't even think to tape the dratted thing! What the heck was I doing... oh right! Out on a date! Good thing he's a great guy.... and we went to a steak place!

Oh well! Thank goodness for reruns.

And DA** FOX TO the nine levels of Hell

for cancelling another entertaining show to make way for ... another sophomoric reality series! YEAAAHHH! Boy, they sure know how to pick 'em, huh?

You're gonna come with us...

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Friday, February 20, 2004 10:25 AM

AAAARRRGGHHHHH!!!!

I can't believe I missed this episode!

Crap, darn .... gorammit and didn't even think to tape the dratted thing! What the heck was I doing... oh right! Out on a date! Good thing he's a great guy.... and we went to a steak place!

Oh well! Thank goodness for reruns.

And DA** FOX TO the nine levels of Hell

for cancelling another entertaining show to make way for ... another sophomoric reality series! YEAAAHHH! Boy, they sure know how to pick 'em, huh?

You're gonna come with us...

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Friday, February 20, 2004 10:41 AM

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AAAARRRGGHHHHH!!!!

And DA** FOX TO the nine levels of Hell for cancelling another entertaining show to make way for ... another sophomoric reality series! YEAAAHHH! Boy, they sure know how to pick 'em, huh?

umm.. which show you referring to? Angel? Cause WB cancelled it, not Fox.

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Friday, February 20, 2004 10:57 AM

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AAAARRRGGHHHHH!!!!

And DA** FOX TO the nine levels of Hell for cancelling another entertaining show to make way for ... another sophomoric reality series! YEAAAHHH! Boy, they sure know how to pick 'em, huh?

umm.. which show you referring to? Angel? Cause WB cancelled it, not Fox.

Sorry! My bad... I'm just used to da**ing Fox on a regular basis and my fingers misspoke. DA** YOU, WB!!!! There... how's that?

You're gonna come with us...

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Friday, February 20, 2004 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by CaptainTightPants:
AAAARRRGGHHHHH!!!!

And DA** FOX TO the nine levels of Hell for cancelling another entertaining show to make way for ... another sophomoric reality series! YEAAAHHH! Boy, they sure know how to pick 'em, huh?

umm.. which show you referring to? Angel? Cause WB cancelled it, not Fox.

Sorry! My bad... I'm just used to da**ing Fox on a regular basis and my fingers misspoke. DA** YOU, WB!!!! There... how's that?

You're gonna come with us...

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Friday, February 20, 2004 11:10 AM

muuuch better.. i shall now join you in a harmonic duet i like to call, "the damning of WB!!!!"

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Friday, February 20, 2004 12:02 PM

FLYINFREE

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Although a possible new romance is being approached for Angel, I'm having trouble buying that. All that curvy skin exposure aside, Werewolf Girl still doesn't seem to have the depth required to really be believably involved with Angel. Just my opinion

Generally someone with a very complicated life doesn't want a complicated relationship, someone that makes you happy and let's you forget about how complicated your life is compliments your life and allows you to deal. She is perfect, something simple that makes him smile and reminds him what he is fighting for. The reason why it didn't work out with Buffy or Cordy is because it was too complicated. After a long day of fighting the forces of evil you don't want to have to fight for your relationship, you want to just have it wash over you and relieve you of your burden for a while, recharge you.......and she's hot.

"...we're still flyin'."
"That's not much."
"It's enough." Malcolm Reynolds and Simon Tam - Serenity

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Friday, February 20, 2004 12:59 PM

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muuuch better.. i shall now join you in a harmonic duet i like to call, "the damning of WB!!!!"

Sounds great! I like Harmony!

You're gonna come with us...

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Friday, February 20, 2004 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by Winterfell:
muuuch better.. i shall now join you in a harmonic duet i like to call, "the damning of WB!!!!"

Sounds great! I like Harmony!

You're gonna come with us...

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Friday, February 20, 2004 3:19 PM

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And DA** FOX TO the nine levels of Hell for cancelling another entertaining show to make way for ... another sophomoric reality series! YEAAAHHH! Boy, they sure know how to pick 'em, huh?

As far as I know, WB doesn't have any reality series. Teen-angst drama is their specialty. Hence why they loved Buffy so much to begin with.

--Kala

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Friday, February 20, 2004 3:28 PM

INSANESPIKE

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As far as I know, WB doesn't have any reality series. Teen-angst drama is their specialty. Hence why they loved Buffy so much to begin with.

They do happen to have one that I know of, if you count "The Surreal Life" Although to it's credit, I've seen FAR FAR worse.....like most reality shows on the Fox network!

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Friday, February 20, 2004 4:58 PM

MALSDOXY

I know what did this...

I laughed my ass off !!

That was Pvt Tracey from 'The Message'

" I love the pitter-patter of tiny feet in huge combat boots..." -Mal

Haken needs a new development system. Donate.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=5&t=3283

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Friday, February 20, 2004 5:24 PM

Well that's a relief! I was under the impression they were opting for "new" reality shows.

Of course, do we really need one more teen-angst drama?

You're gonna come with us...

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Friday, February 20, 2004 5:24 PM

Well that's a relief! I was under the impression they were opting for "new" reality shows.

Of course, do we really need one more teen-angst drama?

You're gonna come with us...

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Friday, February 20, 2004 6:25 PM

WHOODAHN

Check it out.

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Saturday, February 21, 2004 1:30 AM

11THHOUR

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Generally someone with a very complicated life doesn't want a complicated relationship, someone that makes you happy and let's you forget about how complicated your life is compliments your life and allows you to deal. She is perfect, something simple that makes him smile and reminds him what he is fighting for. The reason why it didn't work out with Buffy or Cordy is because it was too complicated. After a long day of fighting the forces of evil you don't want to have to fight for your relationship, you want to just have it wash over you and relieve you of your burden for a while, recharge you.......and she's hot.

True, she has the hot thing going for her. In the context of a "Rock Star and Groupie" relationship, then I can see that. They just have to deal with her pesky habit of trying to rip the stuffin' outta him 3 nights a month...

As to why the Buffy and Angel relationship hit a wall... seemed to have a lot to do with Angel's little 'curse' thingie. The "we can never make whoopee" dilemma made for a lot of torture. Then when Angel made the big move from Sunnydale, the final deciding factor was that Buffy deserved to be with a man who "could walk in the Sun" with her, give her children, and be with her fully physical without going pure evil.

If one of the main deciding factors for Angel to part from Buffy is that it is unfair to a young, beautiful mortal woman to be denied the full experience of a relationship, then the same problem exists concerning Nina. Although, maybe a Wolf-Girl is doomed to never have children... only puppies...

As to why it didn't work with Cordelia... well, hell it was Cordelia for chrissake... Just plain wrong on so many levels. That whole involvement seemed like a story arc manufactured to serve the whole Conner convoluted saga. Again, just my opinion.

11thHour

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Saturday, February 21, 2004 1:42 AM

11THHOUR

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when the Angel puppet turned into a vampire was quite funny, and so was the cotton stuffing that came out when he was wounded. Great stuff. He was still Angel which was a great point of the story and I also enjoyed it when the puppet kicked Spike's ass.

The choreography for that fight was so good!

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I loved how AngelPuppet landed on his feet from the top of the frame, and all you could see were his shoes and pant legs... with the pant break all extra gathered just like regular Angel!

James/Spike did a great job of playing up the fury of the fight when he was really just wrastlin' a disembodied puppet. He was effectively having his ass kicked as the elevator doors closed... gawd that was good.

From what I understand, this was the first time that Ben Edlund directed an episode for Angel. He did a wonderful job. Must be very satisfying to be able to direct one's own very unique story. A story that is so obviously the result of a particular artist's personal style, needs the right follow through with the direction in order for it REALLY work.

This one worked magnificently.

11thHour

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Saturday, February 21, 2004 7:36 AM

SHINYVISIONARY

I think one of the greates lines in that ep was during the Spike/PuppetAngel fight. After the elevator doors have closed, Angel spouts something like "You damn limey bastard!". Brilliant statement, lol.

And as for Fred, the whole choosing Wes thing was directly to lead into next week....

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The character of Fred gets the axe, thanks to Gunn and Knox.

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Saturday, February 21, 2004 7:36 AM

SHINYVISIONARY

apologies. double post.

uh... damn wb for cancelling!

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Saturday, February 21, 2004 7:56 AM

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Of course, do we really need one more teen-angst drama?

Heh heh, oh yeah, it would be just terrible if they came up with another show like Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

--Kala

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Saturday, February 21, 2004 7:02 PM

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Of course, do we really need one more teen-angst drama?

Heh heh, oh yeah, it would be just terrible if they came up with another show like Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

--Kala

Oh Kala, we would be giving them FAR TOO MUCH credit to actually come up with another show like Buffy... At least one that they didn't promptly run into the ground by fiddling with it's premise umpteen BILLION times or pre-empt out of existence.

You're gonna come with us...

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Saturday, February 21, 2004 7:02 PM

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Of course, do we really need one more teen-angst drama?

Heh heh, oh yeah, it would be just terrible if they came up with another show like Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

--Kala

You're gonna come with us...

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Sunday, February 22, 2004 4:17 AM

Actually, the point I was making is that Buffy was a teen-angst drama. There ain't no two ways about it. Joss has said so himself ten billion times.

We shouldn't be lamenting the addition of another teen angst drama when the spring-board show for this very discussion was just that.

--Kala

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Monday, February 23, 2004 7:49 AM

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Actually, the point I was making is that Buffy was a teen-angst drama. There ain't no two ways about it. Joss has said so himself ten billion times.

We shouldn't be lamenting the addition of another teen angst drama when the spring-board show for this very discussion was just that.

--Kala

I got no problems Buffy being a teen-angst drama. It was very well done, well written, good acting, fun and not preachy, interesting character development, etc., etc., and I enjoyed watching it. I also like Smallville (when they can focus on stories that aren't AAL) and Joan of Arcadia (even though her parents irritate the heck out of me most of the time).

And I do lament the addition of another teen-angst drama if it's sole purpose is to give TV viewers another SOAP OPERA to watch. If the networks happen to make a good choice and put something worth watching on, then bully for them and yeah! for us. My point was I don't have much faith in the networks.

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Monday, February 23, 2004 7:49 AM

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Originally posted by kalathena:
Actually, the point I was making is that Buffy was a teen-angst drama. There ain't no two ways about it. Joss has said so himself ten billion times.

We shouldn't be lamenting the addition of another teen angst drama when the spring-board show for this very discussion was just that.

--Kala

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Monday, February 23, 2004 4:16 PM

Ooooo...now I love my prime time operas. I love Monster-operas (Buffy), Lawyer-operas (Angel), Cop-operas (NYPD Blue), Gay-operas (Queer as Folk) and Space-operas (Firefly). The background is irrelevant to me. Just give me good stories about PEOPLE and their interactions with each other and the setting is irrelevant.

I'm patient, though. Joss will have another brilliant show some day, one that defines the decade just as Buffy did. Just remember that when HILL STREET BLUES was cancelled people were crushed and just knew for sure that Steven Bochco would *never* come up with another cop drama that could ever compare to it.

--Kala

p.s. I'm also holding out for Diane English to another sitcom. When the *&#@^$*$#^%@* is MURPHY BROWN gonna be on dvd anyway?

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Monday, February 23, 2004 5:53 PM

I see the problem here! I don't look as those shows as soaps. :)

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