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Originally posted by Knibblet:
Nice work on the photo manipulation. I watched it quite closely thinking that the producers and network would be *Very* careful after Janet and Boobgate.

I'm certain the actress involved won't appreciate the sub-perfect set you pasted over her.

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Originally posted by Knibblet:
Nice work on the photo manipulation.

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I did not manipulate the photo at all. I captured this episode at 30 fps and snapped a frame.

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You seriously need to meet an actual female person, perhaps get a girlfriend and see a real breast.

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Nice work on the photo manipulation.

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I did not manipulate the photo at all. I captured this episode at 30 fps and snapped a frame.

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Dear God, it's worse than I thought. You seriously need to meet an actual female person, perhaps get a girlfriend and see a real breast. This way, you won't have to slow it down to 30fps to get your jollies.

Good luck with the 'getting a girlfriend thing'.


"Just keep walkin, preacher man."

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Originally posted by JustDavid:
Wow, Knibblet, I've never seen you post anything this mean before.

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Originally posted by Knibblet:
Tash, I don't care if you have funny, hysterical, laugh out loud breasts falling out of your ears. My issue is you posted it knowing that minors (little kids even) visit daily.

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As for it being mean, I asked my husband who walked in as I was hitting the 'update my post' button if it was too harsh. His response, "Not really. Coming from you, it's actually a little soft and fluffy."

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Originally posted by Knibblet:
My issue is you posted it knowing that minors (little kids even) visit daily.

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My issue is you posted it knowing that minors (little kids even) visit daily.

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Knibblet, you are such a hypocrite. You posted on the Janet Boob Flash thread ( http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=8&t=3635):
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"My summation: "Whatever"... So we saw Janet's boobie. A body part. Whoopie. It's a breast - get over it."
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But suddenly I'm corrupting the children of the world? Get real.

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Originally posted by Knibblet:
Tash,
I stand by my opinion that by posting the big ole photo on a site you know is visited daily by children - and the children of people who objected to Janet's exposition - you disregarded their concerns.

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Originally posted by Knibblet:
Tash,

I stand by my opinion that by posting the big ole photo on a site you know is visited daily by children - and the children of people who objected to Janet's exposition - you disregarded their concerns.

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My issue is you posted it knowing that minors (little kids even) visit daily.

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Knibblet, you are such a hypocrite. You posted on the Janet Boob Flash thread ( http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=8&t=3635):
Knibblet:
"My summation: "Whatever"... So we saw Janet's boobie. A body part. Whoopie. It's a breast - get over it."
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But suddenly I'm corrupting the children of the world? Get real.

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"Just keep walkin, preacher man."

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Originally posted by Succatash:
By the way, I never posted a big picture of Janet Jackson.

That was someone else, you should be mad at someone else. Get it? Go back and look. Do you feel stupid yet?

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=8&t=3635

Maybe, you're angry with me because you are attracted to me. Maybe deep down, you love me?

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Originally posted by Ciara:
*sighs* it doesn't matter folks--just walk away. Boobies are on every woman--so what if they show 'em--hooray for boobies. It was proven that the scene was there--though I kept rewindin' and couldn't see nothin..durn tivo

and as a woman who often has Negative Body Issues, 'Tash--that was harsh. Just sayin', man

Just a humble supplicant in service to all things Joss

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Right now, I'm fighting tears and trying hard not to cry.

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WB shows boobs too? This is from Angel's "Smile Time" puppet episode. But I don't think she's a puppet.

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Originally posted by Momaw:
Steering this thread back to a more constructive heading, here's a question for parents and adults in general. While Succatash's frame captures do not appear to show nipples, the question is, how much of a breast do we actually need to see before it becomes indecent?

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Steering this thread back to a more constructive heading, here's a question for parents and adults in general. While Succatash's frame captures do not appear to show nipples, the question is, how much of a breast do we actually need to see before it becomes indecent?

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Okay, I'll answer as a parent. My ten year old daughter has seen Mal's naked butt, and Kaylee getting it on with a guy just to get close to an engine, and now a semi-exposed Nina the werewolf, and I don't think she has been harmed in the slightest. If Nina's breasts were fully exposed, I don't see how that would have harmed her either. I think alot of people are WAY too hung up on body parts being something dirty.

As for kids somehow being harmed by the pics on this thread, it says bare breasts in the title. That's plenty enough warning.

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Jasonzzz wrote:
1. Why aren't the little kids in school and What are little kids doing on this site? The show has nothing that any little kids should want.

2. Why are those little kids being left alone with a computer (or anything for that matter)? Their parents should be pre-screening everything that they touch - TV programs, websites, etc.

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The way I see it, when you're 14, you can see anything an adult can.

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Okay, I'll answer as a parent. My ten year old daughter has seen Mal's naked butt, and Kaylee getting it on with a guy just to get close to an engine, and now a semi-exposed Nina the werewolf, and I don't think she has been harmed in the slightest. If Nina's breasts were fully exposed, I don't see how that would have harmed her either. I think alot of people are WAY too hung up on body parts being something dirty.

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I think though, that as a 14-year-old, you may be somewhat biased in your opinion of what 14-year-olds should do.

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Originally posted by kalathena:
Thank you, David! I get sooooo tired of how body-phobic most people are in the US. As a parent myself, I could care less what body parts my 6-year-old sees. What those body parts are *doing* is another matter entirely. No, I'm not going to let him watch sex acts, but I refuse to make a big deal about him seeing the occassional body part. If you don't make a big deal about it, then it becomes a non-issue.

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I think though, that as a 14-year-old, you may be somewhat biased in your opinion of what 14-year-olds should do.

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I know my view will be somewhat in the minority, but I disagree - I think it's far more likely that the views of a parent are skewed than the view of the actual 14 year old in question. Parents trick themselves into imposing an ultra-flawed or an ultra-innocent version of themselves onto their children. At the age of 14, however, we are often at our most critical and self-aware.

If you want to find out how someone feels about something, or how it affects them, you talk to them first, and those around them later. How comes the debate surrounding minors and what they can and can not see never involves any dialogue with anyone under the age of 25?

As a society, we need to get a grip on this delusion that it's even remotely possible to hide the real world from children - or that it's preferential to do so. Having parents or a parent who can be looked up to and respected, and who goes about their life with a decent amount of conviction and decency, will do a far greater good to a child's moral sense than blindfolding them whenever breasts seem imminent ;)

My two (euro) cents :)

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But I think you might be in the right, I should in fact expose my 4-8 years old to as much crap, violence, random shooting, brains and guts plopping all over the place, and raw sex act as much as possible. And then just hold a two hour marathon discussion on what the carnage that they have just witnessed. I am sure that will toughen them up for the real world.

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Oh wait! Maybe I can raise real human beings to think critically by providing them with a stable platform of family bond and trust to build ideas and morals off from. And it would be a better world if we build it up one piece at a time instead of stabbing it right into their little brain. An absolutely crazy perception that I, and I assure you, would never have taken had I not fell unluckily the victim of twice pregnancy. What a curse of a responsibility!

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Look, nowadays, we spend most of our adult life worrying, philosophising, planning crap that absolutely makes no sense and gets us no where. At the end of it all, if we are lucky, we get to rot slowly in a wooden box. Let the kids be kids until they are ready for rational thought and discussion. Until then, keep the carnage out of the heads.

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I am not worried about sex, violence, or ideas. I watch Matrix, Tarantino, & porno and enjoy them in the proper settings. Just not with my kids, they get their own programming until they are ready to talk about those things and absorb them.
Maybe you are ready, but let the other kids be kids. There's always time for adulthood. Plenty of lengthy and drudgery time.

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Originally posted by pudor:
Before I answer this stuff I should probably point out that I'm not a 'kid' - at least not by my definition - I'm 20 years old on the 9th of March. Having said this, I'm not a parent either, and so I would expect a fair response to my points to be along the lines of "wait until you have children, then you'll see".

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[edit: whoa! massive post. sorry!]

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The world is out there and there's no stopping it. I do however limit my kids exposure to what it is - they do get a censored view.

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