One stupid thing about Angel Season 5 (spoilers)-OR- one, two, three, four; I declare a flame war! by chrisisall

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One stupid thing about Angel Season 5 (spoilers)-OR- one, two, three, four; I declare a flame war!

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
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Wednesday, December 13, 2006 6:26 PM

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.

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"Forsaken Lurker "

Back off stalker! If it wasn't note worthy why'd you note it? Ooooh schoooooooled you. Stay in the baby pool so you don't get hurt!

Really? I'd say you're the stalker, as a matter of fact. You come in here, you're fair game. Or, don't you understand the rules? And, enjoy your little "victory;" I'm off to my own life, thank you very much.

Until tomorrow, Commie-loving Nazis!

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Forsaken Lurker (at least when it comes to the RWED)

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(by Kelai)

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Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:50 AM

MRBLUESUN

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The traditional concept of God simply could not be one of the PTB because quite frankly they are far too much like accountants or bank managers for them to actually function as the Judeo-Christian God. Don't ask me to explain they just are.

Okay so I'll take that on faith shall I

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Originally posted by MrBlueSun:

Also, Fred's soul couldn't have been completely destroyed because if it was how do you explain Illyria slowly developing more Fred like qualities towards the end of season five, such as her love for Wesley and greif following his death. As far as i'm aware evil old one demon thingies don't feel grief at the loss of mortals, but hell i'm no expert.

It's already established Buffyverse canon that you don't necessarily need a soul to feel emotion, even love. Spike for example demonstrated romantic love for both Drusilla and Buffy and still loved his mother after being turned despite the lack of a soul.

Illyria's move towards a more human personality could just be Fred's memories rather than a remnant of her soul.

Anyhow the God-King of the Smurfs wasn't evil so much as seriously megalomaniacal

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Hurrah, hurrah, when things are at their worst
With cries of “Death or Glory” comes the mighty Twenty-First

Fair point but let us not forget that Spike (and indeed vampires in general) were originally human therefore it could simply be a memory of the emotion and some latant psychological need to still feel that emotion, rather like an amputee feeling 'phantom pains'. Illyria was completely demonic therefore she has never had the oppurunity before her imprisonment to feel 'human' emotions. Indeed her only contact with humanity was when she (for want of a better word) consumed Fred's soul. Therefore her apparent development of human aspects must be directly linked to some shard of Fred's consciousness remaining intact within her. This gradual progression of Illyria towards humanity, her grief at the death of Wesley and her desire to avenge him, could indicate that Fred's soul was in fact begining to reemerge.
Also strictly speaking Spike was obsessed with Buffy. There is a difference.

'If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do'

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Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:19 AM