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Originally posted by Kurukami:
Very, very interesting. I suspected how Wes would decide when Illyria popped up in the lab, and his final choice didn't surprise me too much. Wes is descending the same moral staircase that Angel and Spike are trying to climb, slipping further into darkness, cynicism, and despair as the show goes on.

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Originally posted by Drakon:

So why do they need the senior partners again? It looks like all the strings are gonna get cut, one way or the other. And Angel and crew will own at least the LA branch free and clear.

"Wash, where is my damn spaceship?"

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Originally posted by Hjermsted:
Shells was a great episode that really had me engaged... laughing/crying.

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However I am SO SICK of cheesy pop songs laid over melancholy montages. Not sure why the producers chose to do this at the end of the episode. Yes, the characters are sad and things have changed... but wouldn't some nice moody original music from the show's composer have been a better choice?

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Is there some clause in the WB's standard contract that requires pop songs to appear in each and every one of their shows? It's becoming insipid.

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Originally posted by Phoenixship:
What I wasn't expecting was Illyria's change of heart, her sudden interest in humanity and her attachment to Wesley. Neither me nor my wife really bought into it. As I told her, though, let it take us where Joss wants it to go. He's always come through for us.

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Originally posted by ljosalf:
I would like to point out the opening of Hole in the World and the ending of Shells focus on Fred's journey to LA. Although they take place in the past, they are placed where they are in the storyline for a reason. Remember that Fred told her parents in the intro to Hole in the World that she was going to learn everything that was out there to learn and then she was going to figure out answers that nobody else had thought of before (wish I could quote the line but I no longer have the episode to refer to). At the end of Shells, Fred gets into the station wagon and begins her journey to LA--much as Illyria in her sarcophagus journeyed to LA from the Deeper Well. There is more to come for Fred either tragic or triumphant in the storyarc we are in now.

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MHO, if--and it is indeed a big if--Fred returns in some way, shape or form, it will be from her own efforts not from being saved by the gang.

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MHO, if--and it is indeed a big if--Fred returns in some way, shape or form, it will be from her own efforts not from being saved by the gang.

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Originally posted by Hjermsted:
Shells was a great episode that really had me engaged... laughing/crying.

However I am SO SICK of cheesy pop songs laid over melancholy montages. Not sure why the producers chose to do this at the end of the episode. Yes, the characters are sad and things have changed... but wouldn't some nice moody original music from the show's composer have been a better choice?

Is there some clause in the WB's standard contract that requires pop songs to appear in each and every one of their shows? It's becoming insipid.

Unless Joss wrote the song (ala BTVS: Conversations with Dead People)... stop using licensed pop songs to convey your point, please! It's cheesy as hell and I don't want to associate the excellent Mutant Enemy shows with cheese.

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Originally posted by initio101:
Here are my thoughts:
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3. The note of regret from Illyria right now just doesn't make sense and was alittle awkward. I didn't buy it either, especially given how it's been explained repeatedly that she's an ancient demon. Regret is something that she would just ignore. But I have my faith in Joss and the gang to give us something fulfilling.
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