Serenity repair work post BDM by Charlotte

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Serenity repair work post BDM

POSTED BY: CHARLOTTE
UPDATED: Saturday, October 20, 2007 00:18
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Saturday, September 1, 2007 4:38 PM

Hi all,

I need some advice/opinions on the nature of the Alliance's involvement in the repair of Serenity. The "Serenity Official Visual Companion" describes the location simply as "Repair Yard." I don't think this would be on Mr. Universe's Moon but I do think they would have to do preliminary work there to "tow" Serenity to the "Repair Yard."

Do you think the Repair Yard is an Alliance facility? I can't see Mal & the crew having the funds necessary to fix the ship but I also see Mal having a problem with the Alliance having anything to do with his ship.

Perhaps the Operative funded the repairs himself?

I can't figure it out and would appreciate any input.

Thanks!

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Saturday, September 1, 2007 6:13 PM

MOBBEX

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Well, it's obviously located on another planet since they don't go trough the ion cloud again when they leave (how come so many writers missed that?). Given that Serenity was in no shape to fly anywhere by itself after the battle, I'd say your theory about the Operative towing it and patching it up makes some sense.

Still, I tend to think that they used the payoff from the Lylac heist to fund the repairs. Granted, that's a little far fetched considering the condition the ship was in at this point, but I just don't see Mal accepting any gift from the Alliance, even (especially?) from the Operative, who is, in all likelyhood, considered a rogue agent, at best, by the end of the movie.

The Operative must have lended a hand one way or another, though, otherwise he wouldn't still be around by the time the ship was ready for take off. We know he provided medical support for the crew. Could be he was feeling so guilty for what he did (or whatever, he seemed pretty hollowed out by then

...maybe he was just being his "beaten" self?) that he also made a shipyard available to them, but I think it's unlikely since he says himself that his influence within the Alliance has already faded.

So, help from the Operative/Alliance? Yes, but to an extent.

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Saturday, September 1, 2007 6:32 PM

PEULSAR5

We sniff the air, we don't kiss the dirt.

At the end of the BDM when Mal and the Operative were talking, Mal mentioned the Operative "patching up our hurt"; he could have meant both medical and mechanical.

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Saturday, September 1, 2007 9:08 PM

WYTCHCROFT

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Originally posted by Peulsar5:
At the end of the BDM when Mal and the Operative were talking, Mal mentioned the Operative "patching up our hurt"; he could have meant both medical and mechanical.

i agree.
i also imagine more than a few people helped out, over time - and differing locations. Serenity is under pretty much constant repair anyhow so you have some breathing space as a writer there.

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Sunday, September 2, 2007 2:52 AM

AURAPTOR

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I'm not the most scientific or technically literate type, but how does one 'tow' a ship off a planet ? Gettin' Serenity space worthy and off the ground are the 2 biggest problems. That starts w/ getting her structurally sound, replacing the engine, the landing gear, the cockpit windows....In the repair sequence, we see the crew taking the cannon off the top of Serenity,which would be one of the first things they did, and a new engine being hoisted into position, some major work going on. If that stuff DIDN'T take place on Mr. Universe's planet, ( which itself is a whole other discussion ) then how / why would they transport a wreck like Serenity to another facility and basically rebuild her ? And who paid for it ?

The only explanation I can come up with is that the Alliance paid for it all, as a P.R. move to show that THIS current Gov't certainly had nothing to do w/ Miranda, and as a show of graditude to the crew of Serenity for revealing the truth...... ok. It's far fetched, but it's the best I got.

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Sunday, September 2, 2007 5:29 AM

NBZ

She would not have to be spaceworthy - by which I mean there would not be a need to have anyone onboard. It could be carried in a larger vessel.

The novelisation does suggest the repair was carried out on Persephone. (even though that is not strictly canon, the author did have access to Joss and other drafts of the movie script.)

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Sunday, September 2, 2007 7:34 AM

CYBERSNARK

Also, it could easily have just been hauled into the cargo bay of a larger ship (say, the rescue ship that no doubt came to pick up the Operative and his remaining troops) and carried to wherever it was they were going (say Persephone, Osiris, Sihnon, or Londinium).

I can't imagine the Operative necessarily going out of his way for them (whatever his personal feelings, it likely wouldn't have been proper, given that there is technically still a warrant out for Simon & River), but I can easily see him saying "as long as we're here, gather up that wrecked ship and bring it along. What, these guys? Don't worry, they're with me."

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Sunday, September 2, 2007 12:54 PM

SCHOONER

I have a problem with the idea of Serenity being towed to another world for repairs. I just can't see how Mal and the others would allow it.

After all the events that occurred, and the crew avoiding execution solely because the Operative stated "Stand down", I don't think Mal would be so quick to trust the Alliance. Especially not to the point of loading Serenity up in a cargo bay, surrounded by Alliance troops and scanners, where a single push of a button could dump their whole ship into space with no evidence other than an accident report.

Yes, by the end tha Alliance could pretty much take them down at anytime, but to give Serenity a lift before she's at all spaceworthy would require a tremendous amount of trust which I can't see the BDH's giving.

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Sunday, September 2, 2007 1:09 PM

NBZ

The stand down was for the kill command.

The question is whether they were also immediately released or were in a position to walk away. Mal for one would have had massive amounts of organ damage. Simon was gutshot. Kaylee had lost feeling. Zoe nearly has her spine sliced. The only ones that could have walked away IMO were Jayne, River and Inara (possibly Zoe too).

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Sunday, September 2, 2007 2:01 PM

SCHOONER

I agree, nobody on the crew was in any shape to walk away (even Inara would reasonably have needed massive antibiotics to counteract whatever bacteria live in a Reaver's mouth). At that point, they needed the Operative's help to do anything besides bleed.

I would guess that the Operative provided medical help to the crew, as well as all the wounded Alliance personnel. I can also see him providing tools, maybe even parts or the use of a couple of technicians. What I can't see is Mal putting his ship and crew in such a vulnerable state as having Serenity towed, knowing that the Operative's authority could be countermanded at any time.

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Sunday, September 2, 2007 2:08 PM

NBZ

/lalala I am not listening.

yeah, I do have that same issue, which I choose to ignore because I have no real answer.

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Saturday, October 6, 2007 11:17 PM

GLENNWEST98

I think after watching the scene again, that the repair work was done right where they crashed, there would be several alliance ships grounded for repair after the battle. alliance would just bring in material and repair crews to patch up as best they could, both medical and mechanical. it would be easier than trying to move ships to another yard, and the operative could have just had Serenity's needed parts and repairs hidden in the mess of recovery. as for the storm, either it moved/cleared a bit or it was missed by the writers!

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Tuesday, October 9, 2007 1:38 PM

WYTCHCROFT

Quote:
Originally posted by nbz:
/lalala I am not listening.

yeah, I do have that same issue, which I choose to ignore because I have no real answer.

you know - i miss nbz!

i've been going over this again - i still opt for the different locations and over time theory - but... one issue here - Mal unleashed REAVERS, reavers! it does pain the brain-pan working out why common alliance units on the frontline (and thereafter) would help mal... i guess the power of the wave made converts? or - when the battle was over - the wave sent - much confusion, no/one sure of their sides anymore - wounded people just helped each other... till Alliance control was restored. oooh but it don't feel right.
hmmm...

back to the blackboard for this one...

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Friday, October 19, 2007 2:13 PM

SUPERUNKNOWN

I seriously doubt the Alliance would aid the crew. I imagine that in the aftermath of the events on Miranda, they'd want to kill River even more than before, just in case there was something else she knew. With his faith in his purpose broken, I also think it's unlikely the Operative would follow Mal. He knew how Mal felt about him and probably half-expected Mal to kill him. He may have run into Serenity while leaving Mr. Universe's world, but he wouldn't follow it too far.

While they may not have flown through the ion cloud at the end of the film, we don't know much about the actual cloud. It could be that it was slightly dispersed by the storm or something.

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Friday, October 19, 2007 4:30 PM

DEEPLYKIDDING

Just a thought about the ion cloud (not sure since I'm too lazy right now to watch the DVD for clues/evidence), but is it possible that Mr. Universe had control over the ion cloud? And therefore the repairs could have been done on his planet, and the reason we don't see the cloud during Serenity's take-off is because the cloud has been "shut off" or "deactivated" or something?

I'm totally guessing here. Sometimes in sci fi it seems as if things are taken for granted and not explained to the reader/viewer, so couldn't it be possible, even if not scientifically sound?

I'm really enjoying everyone else's views & theories on the sitch.

I'd rather be a smartass than a dumbass...

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Friday, October 19, 2007 9:08 PM

FLETCH2

My understanding is the Mr Universe was a ace hacker and that he persuaded the automatic terraforming systems that were converting that planet that the terraforming was failing, everyone left and he moved in, as far as anyone else knew it was a black rock.

So he had a whole planets worth of stuff including a shipyard that would allow the Serenity rebuild. The fact that there was no ion cloud is a visual device, Serenity rises into the sunlight like the pheonix from her own ashes, it had to LOOK visually uplifting, ominious clouds would have ruined it so they left the ion storm out.

Vast numbers of things dont actually make sense in the 'verse and that's because Joss the place changes to suit the needs of the story rather than slavishly maintaining continuity.

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Friday, October 19, 2007 10:26 PM

MRBEN

OK, this seems obvious to me, but it never seems to be mentioned.

They're living in the 26th century - I don't see any reason why they couldn't just get on the cortex and contact their breakdown company....

mrben

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Saturday, October 20, 2007 12:18 AM

SUPERUNKNOWN

I just watched it again, though with Joss's commentary running. It occured to me that even though Serenity's engine was torn off, there's nothing to say that it couldn't be rebuilt. With all the wreckage from Alliance and Reaver ships lying around and Kaylee's ability to make engine parts do anything, I'm pretty sure they could have rebuilt the ship simply by improvising from the more soild pieces of debris.

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